On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:09:21 -0500, "Bob (this one)" >
wrote:

> The amount of salt in butter is so small, that I'm still waiting to see
> the recipe where it could make a material difference. A whole pound has
> something over a teaspoon of butter.

The only thing we use salted butter for is toast. Unsalted butter on
toast just doesn't cut it.

Not that long ago, salted butter was at least a dollar per pound less
expensive that unsalted. Now we pay the same for either.

Carol

Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:09:21 -0500, "Bob (this one)" >
> wrote:
>
> > The amount of salt in butter is so small, that I'm still waiting to see
> > the recipe where it could make a material difference. A whole pound has
> > something over a teaspoon of butter.
>
> The only thing we use salted butter for is toast. Unsalted butter on
> toast just doesn't cut it.
>
> Not that long ago, salted butter was at least a dollar per pound less
> expensive that unsalted. Now we pay the same for either.
>
> Carol

Dams, the best butter I ever had was in France - unsalted, BUT we
sprinkled salt on it. It was just wonderful. You should try that on
your toast and see if you can tell the difference. LOL.

N.

On 19 Dec 2005 07:43:31 -0800, "Nancy1" >
wrote:

> Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> >
> > The only thing we use salted butter for is toast. Unsalted butter on
> > toast just doesn't cut it.
>
> Dams, the best butter I ever had was in France - unsalted, BUT we
> sprinkled salt on it. It was just wonderful. You should try that on
> your toast and see if you can tell the difference. LOL.

I've considered that in the past, when we've only had unsalted butter.
I'll give it a shot, soon. :-)

Carol

EastneyEnder wrote:
> jake wrote:
>
>
>>Sheldon, those products really aren't sold here. If I ordered Bisquick,
>>or shortening, through the Internet, or shortening, it would cost a
>>fortune to ship it from the US to The Netherlands.
>
> It might cost a lot less for me to mail some to you from England

That is a very kind offer, thank you. But I think I'll be happy making
my own mix, using butter. Less work for you, not a lot of work for me

Shaun aRe wrote:

> "jake" > wrote in message
> . nl...
>
>
>
>>Sheldon, those products really aren't sold here. If I ordered Bisquick,
>>or shortening, through the Internet, or shortening, it would cost a
>>fortune to ship it from the US to The Netherlands.
>
>
> Jake, were I a gambler I'd be willing to bet plenty there's shortening in
> TNL - it is just, as has been said before, 'fat'.
Of course we have fat


Rendered and cleaned
> (almost flavourless) animal fats, we call 'lard', used in pastries all over
> the globe.

I have never ever seen lard here. I suspect I coudl order it at the
butcher's, although I've enver heard of anyone doing so.

Vegetable based equivalents abound too.

That's the part that is unusual ehre. You can get vegatble fat meant for
deep frying, which sometimes looks similar to Crisco.

If you can't find it or
> don't know what names to look for it under in TNL, go to a store and ask one
> of the members of staff there, and describe it to them.

Dutch supermakrets are known for their limited seleciotn. In 33 years of
living, and always ahving ahd an itnerest in food, I've never come
across what you're describing. This is not to say it isn't sold here at
all, but seriously, I have enver seen it.
>
>

Nancy Young wrote:

> "jake" > wrote
>
>
>>Goomba38 wrote:
>
>
>>>You can buy Crisco brand shortening in some of the sex shops down in
>>
>>BNow that you metnionit... I've seen it in erotic shop windows in The Red
>>Light District ( I swear that's where I saw it).
>>
>>Is Crisco the same as shortening? And/or interchangeable?
>>
>>
>>>Amsterdam. I found that out from The American Womens Club guide while
>>>there.
>>
>>I wonder where they shop
>
>
> You never know where a thread is going to go, and this has made
> a turn for the hilarious. Too friggin funny.
>
> Yes, Crisco is shortening. And thinking of buying it at a sex
> shop ... kinda yucky, but at least you know it's available there.
>
> nancy
>
>
Actually, the shop was very very clean. It ahd huge windows, and it was
a designer style type of store.

Although their counter was clean enough to eat from, I don't think they
regarded Crisco as a baking product.

Damsel in dis Dress wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:26:31 +0100, jake >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Is Crisco the same as shortening? And/or interchangeable?
>
>
> Crisco is a brand of shortening. Please let us know how your pie
> turns out!
>
> Carol
Will do after I have made it (not before the end of January!)

Shaun aRe wrote:

> "jake" > wrote in message
> . nl...
>
>
>>Is Crisco the same as shortening? And/or interchangeable?
>
>
> Crisco is a trade/company name, shortening is a name for the actual types of
> fats used in this way. Not all petroleum spirit is Shell, the same way that
> not all Shell products are petroleum spirit. Does this help clear this up at
> all?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Shaun aRe
>
>
Yes it does, thank you.

Goomba38 wrote:

> jake wrote:
>
>
>>> You can buy Crisco brand shortening in some of the sex shops down in
>>
>>
>>
>> BNow that you metnionit... I've seen it in erotic shop windows in The
>> Red Light District ( I swear that's where I saw it).
>>
>> Is Crisco the same as shortening? And/or interchangeable?
>
>
> Yes, Same thing.


Okidoke, thanks.

"jake" > wrote

> Although their counter was clean enough to eat from, I don't think they
> regarded Crisco as a baking product.

(laugh!) Yes, Jake, I got that. I've heard of Crisco parties, too.
No baking involved.

nancy

Pandora wrote:

> "jake" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> . nl...
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>People here opften mention 2 ingredietns that are not availble here. I'd
>>like to know more about them so I can make those recipes:
>>1) how much does a stick of butter weigh (in US or metric measures)?
>>2) they don't sell Bisquick here. On the bisquick site, it sounds like
>>it's self-raising flour + shortening (shortening is not availble here).
>>What percentage of shorteing might tehre be in Bisquick? Or how can I
>>create a substitute?
>>
>>Thank you for any help!
>>
>>jake
>
>
> Where do you live jake?
> Cheers
> pandora
>
>
In The Netherlands, Pandora. Considering hwo far away some other rfc-ers
are, you and I are neighbours

Nancy Young wrote:
> "jake" > wrote
>
>
>>Although their counter was clean enough to eat from, I don't think they
>>regarded Crisco as a baking product.
>
>
> (laugh!) Yes, Jake, I got that. I've heard of Crisco parties, too.
> No baking involved.
>
> nancy
>
Crisco parteis? I don't want to know.

I'm lying. I really want to knwo (but won't ask b/c I don't want to put
you in an awkward position).

jake wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> "jake" > wrote
>>
>>
>>> Although their counter was clean enough to eat from, I don't think
>>> they regarded Crisco as a baking product.
>>
>>
>>
>> (laugh!) Yes, Jake, I got that. I've heard of Crisco parties, too.
>> No baking involved.
>>
>> nancy
>
> Crisco parteis? I don't want to know.
>
> I'm lying. I really want to knwo (but won't ask b/c I don't want to put
> you in an awkward position).

awkward positions are what crisco parties are all about!


--

saerah

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sarah bennett wrote:

> jake wrote:
>
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> "jake" > wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>> Although their counter was clean enough to eat from, I don't think
>>>> they regarded Crisco as a baking product.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (laugh!) Yes, Jake, I got that. I've heard of Crisco parties, too.
>>> No baking involved.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>>
>> Crisco parteis? I don't want to know.
>>
>> I'm lying. I really want to knwo (but won't ask b/c I don't want to
>> put you in an awkward position).
>
>
> awkward positions are what crisco parties are all about!
>
>
I had that coming, didn't I.

jake wrote:
> sarah bennett wrote:
>
>> jake wrote:
>>
>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>> "jake" > wrote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Although their counter was clean enough to eat from, I don't think
>>>>> they regarded Crisco as a baking product.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (laugh!) Yes, Jake, I got that. I've heard of Crisco parties, too.
>>>> No baking involved.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Crisco parteis? I don't want to know.
>>>
>>> I'm lying. I really want to knwo (but won't ask b/c I don't want to
>>> put you in an awkward position).
>>
>>
>>
>> awkward positions are what crisco parties are all about!
>>
>>
> I had that coming, didn't I.

yes

--

saerah

"Peace is not an absence of war, it is a virtue, a state of mind, a
disposition for benevolence, confidence, justice."
-Baruch Spinoza

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas Adams

"jake" > wrote

>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>> "jake" > wrote

>>>>> Although their counter was clean enough to eat from, I don't think
>>>>> they regarded Crisco as a baking product.

>>>> (laugh!) Yes, Jake, I got that. I've heard of Crisco parties, too.
>>>> No baking involved.

>>> Crisco parteis? I don't want to know.
>>>
>>> I'm lying. I really want to knwo (but won't ask b/c I don't want to put
>>> you in an awkward position).

Involves how ever many people you want and a large enough
tarp to protect the floor ... getting the picture?

Hey, you're the one in Amsterdam. (laugh)

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> "jake" > wrote
>
>
>>>>Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"jake" > wrote
>
>
>>>>>>Although their counter was clean enough to eat from, I don't think
>>>>>>they regarded Crisco as a baking product.
>
>
>>>>>(laugh!) Yes, Jake, I got that. I've heard of Crisco parties, too.
>>>>>No baking involved.
>
>
>>>>Crisco parteis? I don't want to know.
>>>>
>>>>I'm lying. I really want to knwo (but won't ask b/c I don't want to put
>>>>you in an awkward position).
>
>
> Involves how ever many people you want and a large enough
> tarp to protect the floor ... getting the picture?
>
Yuck.
> Hey, you're the one in Amsterdam. (laugh)
>
> nancy
>
>
I know I used to work in the Red Light District (doing a different
kind of business). I got used to the whole sex thing there.

"jake" > wrote in message
. nl...
> Shaun aRe wrote:
>
> > "jake" > wrote in message
> > . nl...
> >
> >
> >
> >>Sheldon, those products really aren't sold here. If I ordered Bisquick,
> >>or shortening, through the Internet, or shortening, it would cost a
> >>fortune to ship it from the US to The Netherlands.
> >
> >
> > Jake, were I a gambler I'd be willing to bet plenty there's shortening
in
> > TNL - it is just, as has been said before, 'fat'.

> Of course we have fat

Exactly. There's uuuuhhhmmm... just a... lot more of it in America...
>',;~}~

> Rendered and cleaned
> > (almost flavourless) animal fats, we call 'lard', used in pastries all
over
> > the globe.
>
> I have never ever seen lard here. I suspect I coudl order it at the
> butcher's, although I've enver heard of anyone doing so.

I'm sre you could find it!

> Vegetable based equivalents abound too.
>
> That's the part that is unusual ehre. You can get vegatble fat meant for
> deep frying, which sometimes looks similar to Crisco.

Is it 'hard' fat rather than liquid? If so, it's shortening and you can use
it.

> If you can't find it or
> > don't know what names to look for it under in TNL, go to a store and ask
one
> > of the members of staff there, and describe it to them.
>
> Dutch supermakrets are known for their limited seleciotn. In 33 years of
> living, and always ahving ahd an itnerest in food, I've never come
> across what you're describing. This is not to say it isn't sold here at
> all, but seriously, I have enver seen it.

The stuff you say looks similar to Crisco is shortening IMO.

Cheers ',;~}~



Shaun aRe

"jake" > wrote in message
. nl...
> Shaun aRe wrote:
>
> > "jake" > wrote in message
> > . nl...
> >
> >
> >>Is Crisco the same as shortening? And/or interchangeable?
> >
> >
> > Crisco is a trade/company name, shortening is a name for the actual
types of
> > fats used in this way. Not all petroleum spirit is Shell, the same way
that
> > not all Shell products are petroleum spirit. Does this help clear this
up at
> > all?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Shaun aRe
> >
> >
> Yes it does, thank you.

You are welcome. You can better thank me by sending me a few nice green buds
from one of the better coffee shops please ',;~}~



Shaun aRe

Shaun aRe wrote:
>
> Exactly. There's uuuuhhhmmm... just a... lot more of it in America...
>
>>',;~}~
>
>
>>Rendered and cleaned
>>
>>>(almost flavourless) animal fats, we call 'lard', used in pastries all
>
> over
>
>>>the globe.
>>
>>I have never ever seen lard here. I suspect I coudl order it at the
>>butcher's, although I've enver heard of anyone doing so.
>
>
> I'm sre you could find it!
>
>
>>Vegetable based equivalents abound too.
>>
>>That's the part that is unusual ehre. You can get vegatble fat meant for
>>deep frying, which sometimes looks similar to Crisco.
>
>
> Is it 'hard' fat rather than liquid? If so, it's shortening and you can use
> it.
>
Yes, i hitnk it is ahrd. I don't deep fry, so I never look at that
section of the supermarket. But based on what you're saying, iot should
be a good option.
>
>>If you can't find it or
>>
>>>don't know what names to look for it under in TNL, go to a store and ask
>
> one
>
>>>of the members of staff there, and describe it to them.
>>
>>Dutch supermakrets are known for their limited seleciotn. In 33 years of
>>living, and always ahving ahd an itnerest in food, I've never come
>>across what you're describing. This is not to say it isn't sold here at
>>all, but seriously, I have enver seen it.
>
>
> The stuff you say looks similar to Crisco is shortening IMO.
>
> Cheers ',;~}~
>
>Thanks!

>
> This is a late reply but I've been ill for the last few days.
>
> Jake you can get lard for making pastry. I bought it in a supermarkt in
> Landsmeer, north of Amsterdam, whilst we were on holiday last summer.
>
> It is called "Reuzel" and is geraffineerd. I used it to make pastry whilst I
> was there. The proportions were ¼lb Reuzel, ¼lb butter, ½lb plain flour plus
> level teaspoon salt and 3to4 tablespoons ice-cold water. Perfect for a
> chicken pie pastry topping.
>
> Don
>
You've been to Landsmeer? Wow. If they have reuzel there, they should
have it in Amsterdam. I'll ask my butcher (rather than cycling out to
Landsmeer, which would probably take more than an hour one way),

Hope our health is better now. Thank you for your reply.

BTW, I just discovered a place that sells liquid smoke. I'd never
thought it find it here. I got a bottle (at 5 Euros) and I am looking
forward to playing with it. Next time I'm in the area, I'll check for
Bisquick and shortening.

"jake" > wrote in message
. nl...
> Shaun aRe wrote:

> > Is it 'hard' fat rather than liquid? If so, it's shortening and you can
use
> > it.
> >
> Yes, i hitnk it is ahrd. I don't deep fry, so I never look at that
> section of the supermarket. But based on what you're saying, iot should
> be a good option.

Not just an option, I would say that it is the very same thing - vegetable
shortening - solid vegetable frying fat - same!




Shaun aRe