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Agar as a thickener?
I bought some powdered Agar agar from the asian market a couple of weeks
ago. Appears to be fairly carb free. ;-) Can I use it as a thickener in sauces and soups and if so, at what ratio? I've never messed with this stuff before. TIA! -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> I bought some powdered Agar agar from the asian market a couple of weeks > ago. Appears to be fairly carb free. ;-) > > Can I use it as a thickener in sauces and soups and if so, at what ratio? > > I've never messed with this stuff before. > > TIA! I dunno. But I've heard agar agar, once set, doen't "melt"again when reheated, like gelatin would. So that might be a factor in your decisions. |
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jake > wrote: > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: > > > I bought some powdered Agar agar from the asian market a couple of weeks > > ago. Appears to be fairly carb free. ;-) > > > > Can I use it as a thickener in sauces and soups and if so, at what ratio? > > > > I've never messed with this stuff before. > > > > TIA! > > I dunno. But I've heard agar agar, once set, doen't "melt"again when > reheated, like gelatin would. So that might be a factor in your decisions. Well, I did some googling and it appears it's used mostly for desserts. :-P Gum Arabic seeems to be the low carb thickener of choice for savory recipes. I'll have to think about that. I've never seen it for sale! I'm sure I can get it on line tho'. -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote on 01 Oct 2005 in rec.food.cooking
> I bought some powdered Agar agar from the asian market a couple of weeks > ago. Appears to be fairly carb free. ;-) > > Can I use it as a thickener in sauces and soups and if so, at what ratio? > > I've never messed with this stuff before. > > TIA! AFAIK Agar is like pectin only thick when cool. * Exported from MasterCook * Jenny's Indispensable Almost No Carb Barbecue Sauce Recipe By :Jenny the Bean (asdlc), modified slightly by Damsel Serving Size : 27 Preparation Time :0:00 Categories : Condiments Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method -------- ------------ -------------------------------- 2 tablespoons Splendaź granular -- (18 drops liquid) 1 dash cayenne pepper 1/4 teaspoon xanthan gum -- optional(agar) 1 1/2 tablespoons yellow mustard 15 ounces tomato sauce -- plain 6 tablespoons vinegar 3 tablespoons Worcestershire sauce 1 tablespoon lemon juice 3/4 tablespoon Frank's Hot Sauce 3/4 tablespoon salt -- optional 1 1/2 teaspoons liquid smoke flavoring Place Splenda and cayenne pepper into a medium sauce pan. Add xanthan gum, if you choose to thicken the sauce. Blend mustard into dry ingredients. Slowly blend in the tomato sauce. Stir in the rest of the ingredients. Bring to a boil, then lower heat. Let simmer for a few minutes. Let cool, then refrigerate. Note: this sauce will taste a bit peculiar if you taste it when it is still hot. Don't worry! Something magical happens when it sits in the fridge. Carbohydrates per Serving (1 tablespoon): Less than 1 gram. Half an ounce is 1 gm carbs, 6 calories. Source: ""http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/"" Yield: "1 cups" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Per Serving (excluding unknown items): 7 Calories; trace Fat (7.0% calories from fat); trace Protein; 2g Carbohydrate; trace Dietary Fiber; trace Cholesterol; 301mg Sodium. Exchanges: 0 Grain(Starch); 0 Lean Meat; 0 Vegetable; 0 Fruit; 0 Fat; 0 Other Carbohydrates. NOTES : This isn't a substitute for the "real thing," it's an improvement. It's so good the rest of the family gobbles it up and I have to keep making more. Nutr. Assoc. : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -- The eyes are the mirrors.... But the ears...Ah the ears. The ears keep the hat up. |
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio ... >I bought some powdered Agar agar from the asian market a couple of weeks > ago. Appears to be fairly carb free. ;-) > > Can I use it as a thickener in sauces and soups and if so, at what ratio? I use it for a sort of fruit puddings. It makes things gelatinous. For thicken sauces is better "arrow root" a sort of flour, extracted from a chinese potatoes. Is very very useful! I find it in my macrobhiotic shop. Cheers Pandora |
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"Pandora" > wrote: > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio > ... > >I bought some powdered Agar agar from the asian market a couple of weeks > > ago. Appears to be fairly carb free. ;-) > > > > Can I use it as a thickener in sauces and soups and if so, at what ratio? > > I use it for a sort of fruit puddings. It makes things gelatinous. For > thicken sauces is better "arrow root" a sort of flour, extracted from a > chinese potatoes. > Is very very useful! I find it in my macrobhiotic shop. > Cheers > Pandora > > Thanks! I've used Arrowroot in the past, but it's a starch and I'm trying to avoid that. Cheers! -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio ... > In article >, > "Pandora" > wrote: > >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio >> ... >> >I bought some powdered Agar agar from the asian market a couple of weeks >> > ago. Appears to be fairly carb free. ;-) >> > >> > Can I use it as a thickener in sauces and soups and if so, at what >> > ratio? >> >> I use it for a sort of fruit puddings. It makes things gelatinous. For >> thicken sauces is better "arrow root" a sort of flour, extracted from a >> chinese potatoes. >> Is very very useful! I find it in my macrobhiotic shop. >> Cheers >> Pandora >> >> > > Thanks! > > I've used Arrowroot in the past, but it's a starch and I'm trying to > avoid that. Have you tried also "KUZU"? It is extracted from another root. Pandora |
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In article >,
"Pandora" > wrote: > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio > ... > > In article >, > > "Pandora" > wrote: > > > >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio > >> ... > >> >I bought some powdered Agar agar from the asian market a couple of weeks > >> > ago. Appears to be fairly carb free. ;-) > >> > > >> > Can I use it as a thickener in sauces and soups and if so, at what > >> > ratio? > >> > >> I use it for a sort of fruit puddings. It makes things gelatinous. For > >> thicken sauces is better "arrow root" a sort of flour, extracted from a > >> chinese potatoes. > >> Is very very useful! I find it in my macrobhiotic shop. > >> Cheers > >> Pandora > >> > >> > > > > Thanks! > > > > I've used Arrowroot in the past, but it's a starch and I'm trying to > > avoid that. > > Have you tried also "KUZU"? > It is extracted from another root. > Pandora > > Any root extract is going to be starch. It won't be low carb. Kudzu is supposed to have a lot of uses, but it's also an agricultural pest in the mid-west! I've seen fields of it driving thru Tennesse. Cheers! -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio ... > In article >, > "Pandora" > wrote: > >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio >> ... >> > In article >, >> > "Pandora" > wrote: >> > >> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio >> >> ... >> >> >I bought some powdered Agar agar from the asian market a couple of >> >> >weeks >> >> > ago. Appears to be fairly carb free. ;-) >> >> > >> >> > Can I use it as a thickener in sauces and soups and if so, at what >> >> > ratio? >> >> >> >> I use it for a sort of fruit puddings. It makes things gelatinous. For >> >> thicken sauces is better "arrow root" a sort of flour, extracted from >> >> a >> >> chinese potatoes. >> >> Is very very useful! I find it in my macrobhiotic shop. >> >> Cheers >> >> Pandora >> >> >> >> >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > I've used Arrowroot in the past, but it's a starch and I'm trying to >> > avoid that. >> >> Have you tried also "KUZU"? >> It is extracted from another root. >> Pandora >> >> > > Any root extract is going to be starch. Ohhhhh! It's true, I'm sorry for you. At this point, I don't know how to help you. > > It won't be low carb. > Kudzu is supposed to have a lot of uses, but it's also an agricultural > pest in the mid-west! I've seen fields of it driving thru Tennesse. Oh! It's a fortune! It is an health herbs, I've seen! Cheers Pandora > > Cheers! > -- > Om. > > "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack > Nicholson |
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In article >,
"Pandora" > wrote: > > Any root extract is going to be starch. > > Ohhhhh! It's true, I'm sorry for you. At this point, I don't know how to > help you. It's ok. :-) Thanks for trying... Unless you really study the nutritional contents of foods, (carb's, fat and protein contents), you may not know what foods contain what... I'm looking for non-caloric or protein based thickeners. Whippe egg works somewhat for soups. > > > > It won't be low carb. > > > Kudzu is supposed to have a lot of uses, but it's also an agricultural > > pest in the mid-west! I've seen fields of it driving thru Tennesse. > > Oh! It's a fortune! It is an health herbs, I've seen! > Cheers > Pandora Heh! Tell that to the farmers that are trying to eliminate it! It's very invasive and hard to get rid of once it takes over. I saw literally miles of it and it took over entire fields, and climbed over trees and structures. It shades out and kills everything in it's path. I suppose it'd be ok in a controlled setting, but I've never had the nerve to import it. My wild grapes are bad enough! :-) -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message ... > In article >, > "Pandora" > wrote: > >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio >> ... >> > In article >, >> > "Pandora" > wrote: >> > >> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio >> >> ... >> >> >I bought some powdered Agar agar from the asian market a couple of >> >> >weeks >> >> > ago. Appears to be fairly carb free. ;-) >> >> > >> >> > Can I use it as a thickener in sauces and soups and if so, at what >> >> > ratio? >> >> >> >> I use it for a sort of fruit puddings. It makes things gelatinous. For >> >> thicken sauces is better "arrow root" a sort of flour, extracted from >> >> a >> >> chinese potatoes. >> >> Is very very useful! I find it in my macrobhiotic shop. >> >> Cheers >> >> Pandora >> >> >> >> >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > I've used Arrowroot in the past, but it's a starch and I'm trying to >> > avoid that. >> >> Have you tried also "KUZU"? >> It is extracted from another root. >> Pandora >> >> > > Any root extract is going to be starch. > > It won't be low carb. Given the small amount used in thickening, does it matter much? |
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio ... > In article >, > "Pandora" > wrote: > >> > Any root extract is going to be starch. >> >> Ohhhhh! It's true, I'm sorry for you. At this point, I don't know how to >> help you. > > It's ok. :-) > Thanks for trying... > Unless you really study the nutritional contents of foods, (carb's, fat > and protein contents), you may not know what foods contain what... I'm > looking for non-caloric or protein based thickeners. Whippe egg works > somewhat for soups. > >> > >> > It won't be low carb. >> >> > Kudzu is supposed to have a lot of uses, but it's also an agricultural >> > pest in the mid-west! I've seen fields of it driving thru Tennesse. >> >> Oh! It's a fortune! It is an health herbs, I've seen! >> Cheers >> Pandora > > Heh! Tell that to the farmers that are trying to eliminate it! > It's very invasive and hard to get rid of once it takes over. I saw > literally miles of it and it took over entire fields, and climbed over > trees and structures. It shades out and kills everything in it's path. Those farmers should build a "Kuzu factory". Have you seen how much it costs (a pot of pillows)? > > I suppose it'd be ok in a controlled setting, but I've never had the > nerve to import it. My wild grapes are bad enough! :-) Pandora > -- > Om. > > "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack > Nicholson |
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"Ophelia" > wrote: > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message > ... > > In article >, > > "Pandora" > wrote: > > > >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio > >> ... > >> > In article >, > >> > "Pandora" > wrote: > >> > > >> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio > >> >> ... > >> >> >I bought some powdered Agar agar from the asian market a couple of > >> >> >weeks > >> >> > ago. Appears to be fairly carb free. ;-) > >> >> > > >> >> > Can I use it as a thickener in sauces and soups and if so, at what > >> >> > ratio? > >> >> > >> >> I use it for a sort of fruit puddings. It makes things gelatinous. For > >> >> thicken sauces is better "arrow root" a sort of flour, extracted from > >> >> a > >> >> chinese potatoes. > >> >> Is very very useful! I find it in my macrobhiotic shop. > >> >> Cheers > >> >> Pandora > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > Thanks! > >> > > >> > I've used Arrowroot in the past, but it's a starch and I'm trying to > >> > avoid that. > >> > >> Have you tried also "KUZU"? > >> It is extracted from another root. > >> Pandora > >> > >> > > > > Any root extract is going to be starch. > > > > It won't be low carb. > > Given the small amount used in thickening, does it matter much? > > > Yes... -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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In article >,
"Pandora" > wrote: > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio > ... > > In article >, > > "Pandora" > wrote: > > > >> > Any root extract is going to be starch. > >> > >> Ohhhhh! It's true, I'm sorry for you. At this point, I don't know how to > >> help you. > > > > It's ok. :-) > > Thanks for trying... > > Unless you really study the nutritional contents of foods, (carb's, fat > > and protein contents), you may not know what foods contain what... I'm > > looking for non-caloric or protein based thickeners. Whippe egg works > > somewhat for soups. > > > >> > > >> > It won't be low carb. > >> > >> > Kudzu is supposed to have a lot of uses, but it's also an agricultural > >> > pest in the mid-west! I've seen fields of it driving thru Tennesse. > >> > >> Oh! It's a fortune! It is an health herbs, I've seen! > >> Cheers > >> Pandora > > > > Heh! Tell that to the farmers that are trying to eliminate it! > > It's very invasive and hard to get rid of once it takes over. I saw > > literally miles of it and it took over entire fields, and climbed over > > trees and structures. It shades out and kills everything in it's path. > > Those farmers should build a "Kuzu factory". Have you seen how much it costs > (a pot of pillows)? No, I've not every really investigated it, except as a ground cover and decided against it. <G> What is a pot of pillows? > > > > I suppose it'd be ok in a controlled setting, but I've never had the > > nerve to import it. My wild grapes are bad enough! :-) > > > Pandora -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio ... > In article >, > "Pandora" > wrote: > >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > ha scritto nel messaggio >> ... >> > In article >, >> > "Pandora" > wrote: >> > >> >> > Any root extract is going to be starch. >> >> >> >> Ohhhhh! It's true, I'm sorry for you. At this point, I don't know how >> >> to >> >> help you. >> > >> > It's ok. :-) >> > Thanks for trying... >> > Unless you really study the nutritional contents of foods, (carb's, fat >> > and protein contents), you may not know what foods contain what... I'm >> > looking for non-caloric or protein based thickeners. Whippe egg works >> > somewhat for soups. >> > >> >> > >> >> > It won't be low carb. >> >> >> >> > Kudzu is supposed to have a lot of uses, but it's also an >> >> > agricultural >> >> > pest in the mid-west! I've seen fields of it driving thru Tennesse. >> >> >> >> Oh! It's a fortune! It is an health herbs, I've seen! >> >> Cheers >> >> Pandora >> > >> > Heh! Tell that to the farmers that are trying to eliminate it! >> > It's very invasive and hard to get rid of once it takes over. I saw >> > literally miles of it and it took over entire fields, and climbed over >> > trees and structures. It shades out and kills everything in it's path. >> >> Those farmers should build a "Kuzu factory". Have you seen how much it >> costs >> (a pot of pillows)? > > No, I've not every really investigated it, except as a ground cover and > decided against it. <G> If you search "KUZU" on google you will find... > > What is a pot of pillows? Excuse me! Sometimes I don't look at vocabulary! I meant *tiny bottle of pills*. We say: pills= pillole, so, for me , "Pillows" could be a possible translation ))))) Sorry! > > >> > >> > I suppose it'd be ok in a controlled setting, but I've never had the >> > nerve to import it. My wild grapes are bad enough! :-) >> >> >> Pandora > -- > Om. > > "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack > Nicholson |
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Ophelia wrote on 02 Oct 2005 in rec.food.cooking
> Given the small amount used in thickening, does it matter much? > If you want to lose weight...you gotta stay low in the carbs. The idea is to stay well under 20g carbs a meal. The 5 or 6g in say a cup of sauce might push you over your limit. So if you can find or make a lower carb version of gravy...you can eat it. -- The eyes are the mirrors.... But the ears...Ah the ears. The ears keep the hat up. |
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"Mr Libido Incognito" > wrote in message ... > Ophelia wrote on 02 Oct 2005 in rec.food.cooking > >> Given the small amount used in thickening, does it matter much? >> > > If you want to lose weight...you gotta stay low in the carbs. The idea is > to stay well under 20g carbs a meal. The 5 or 6g in say a cup of sauce > might push you over your limit. So if you can find or make a lower carb > version of gravy...you can eat it. Thank you Michael I can understand that now |
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Ophelia wrote on 02 Oct 2005 in rec.food.cooking
> > "Mr Libido Incognito" > wrote in message > ... > > Ophelia wrote on 02 Oct 2005 in rec.food.cooking > > > >> Given the small amount used in thickening, does it matter much? > >> > > > > If you want to lose weight...you gotta stay low in the carbs. The > > idea is to stay well under 20g carbs a meal. The 5 or 6g in say a > > cup of sauce might push you over your limit. So if you can find or > > make a lower carb version of gravy...you can eat it. > > Thank you Michael I can understand that now > > > I posted that...I'm not a Micheal, nor do I play one on TV. -- The eyes are the mirrors.... But the ears...Ah the ears. The ears keep the hat up. |
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"Mr Libido Incognito" > wrote in message ... > Ophelia wrote on 02 Oct 2005 in rec.food.cooking > >> >> "Mr Libido Incognito" > wrote in message >> ... >> > Ophelia wrote on 02 Oct 2005 in rec.food.cooking >> > >> >> Given the small amount used in thickening, does it matter much? >> >> >> > >> > If you want to lose weight...you gotta stay low in the carbs. The >> > idea is to stay well under 20g carbs a meal. The 5 or 6g in say a >> > cup of sauce might push you over your limit. So if you can find or >> > make a lower carb version of gravy...you can eat it. >> >> Thank you Michael I can understand that now >> >> >> > > I posted that...I'm not a Micheal, nor do I play one on TV. Oh heck sorry( Well thank YOU anyway)))) Ophelia who seems to believe everyone is called Michael) |
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > I bought some powdered Agar agar from the asian market a couple of > weeks ago. Appears to be fairly carb free. ;-) It is pure carbohydrate. However, it is an indigestible form hence calorie-free. |
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Mark Thorson > wrote: > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: > > > > I bought some powdered Agar agar from the asian market a couple of > > weeks ago. Appears to be fairly carb free. ;-) > > It is pure carbohydrate. However, it is an indigestible form > hence calorie-free. Oh! I see... Kinda like Cellulose. ;-) I'll just do some experimenting then and let everyone know what happens! I'll mess with just some cheap canned broth at first so I don't mess up anything that took a lot of work. <lol> Cheers! -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 01:15:12 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> connected the dots and wrote: ~In article >, ~ "Pandora" > wrote: ~ ~> > Any root extract is going to be starch. ~> ~> Ohhhhh! It's true, I'm sorry for you. At this point, I don't know how to ~> help you. ~ ~It's ok. :-) ~Thanks for trying... ~Unless you really study the nutritional contents of foods, (carb's, fat ~and protein contents), you may not know what foods contain what... I'm ~looking for non-caloric or protein based thickeners. Whippe egg works ~somewhat for soups. ~ ~> > ~> > It won't be low carb. ~> ~> > Kudzu is supposed to have a lot of uses, but it's also an agricultural ~> > pest in the mid-west! I've seen fields of it driving thru Tennesse. ~> ~> Oh! It's a fortune! It is an health herbs, I've seen! ~> Cheers ~> Pandora ~ ~Heh! Tell that to the farmers that are trying to eliminate it! ~It's very invasive and hard to get rid of once it takes over. I saw ~literally miles of it and it took over entire fields, and climbed over ~trees and structures. It shades out and kills everything in it's path. ~ ~I suppose it'd be ok in a controlled setting, but I've never had the ~nerve to import it. My wild grapes are bad enough! :-) A friend with a brown thumb tried to grow kudzu as a houseplant. If we could clone him, the stuff would be under control in a week<g>. IIRC, there was an experiment with goats, who will eat it, and they manage to keep it under control. Once it's out of control, tho.... maxine in ri |
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maxine in ri > wrote: > > A friend with a brown thumb tried to grow kudzu as a houseplant. If > we could clone him, the stuff would be under control in a week<g>. > > IIRC, there was an experiment with goats, who will eat it, and they > manage to keep it under control. Once it's out of control, tho.... > > maxine in ri I understand it makes a fantastic livestock feed for all ruminants. Sheep, goats and cattle. I don't understand why they don't try grazing on those fields where it's taken over? I've never tried to grow it. Starts of it are offered on ebay. ;-) I might get in trouble with the Texas ag. people for importing it. They have already banned water hyacinth and you can get fined for having it in a home pond, and they just recently banned the sale of mystery/apple snails at the pet store which really ****ed me off! I liked to keep one to keep my beta tank clean of algae, but I can't ever get one to live more than 6 months. :-( Cheers! -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: > In article >, > maxine in ri > wrote: > > > > > A friend with a brown thumb tried to grow kudzu as a houseplant. If > > we could clone him, the stuff would be under control in a week<g>. > > > > IIRC, there was an experiment with goats, who will eat it, and they > > manage to keep it under control. Once it's out of control, tho.... > > > > maxine in ri > > I understand it makes a fantastic livestock feed for all ruminants. > Sheep, goats and cattle. I don't understand why they don't try grazing > on those fields where it's taken over? > It absolutely great for livestock feed. They were planning on doing just that in Tallahassee one year - grazing sheep in the parks where kudzu was taking over. There was a big article in the Democrat about it a few years back. It is a high protein feed. It was going to cost a sheep farmer less to bring his flock in from New Hamsphire and graze them in Talahassee than it would for him to buy feed over the entire winter! Everyone always thinks herbicide control instead of trying livestock. They use goats in some areas to control scotch broom - a serious brush fire hazard but another high protein livestock feed. The goats graze area that are too steep to use mowers on. SD |
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote
> I understand it makes a fantastic livestock feed for all ruminants. > Sheep, goats and cattle. I don't understand why they don't try grazing > on those fields where it's taken over? Kudzu was introduced to be stock feed. It is not. If It was there would be no problem. |
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CaptCook wrote:
> Kudzu was introduced to be stock feed. It is not. If It was there > would be no problem. > I thought it was an attempt to halt erosion? Either way, it's a nuisance. IF *only* we could convince livestock to eat the stuff, eh? Goomba |
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Goomba38 wrote: > CaptCook wrote: > > > > Kudzu was introduced to be stock feed. It is not. If It was there > > would be no problem. > > > I thought it was an attempt to halt erosion? Either way, it's a > nuisance. > Goomba Correct, it was planted to stop erosion on hillsides, but alas, they let it get away from them. |
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 00:53:27 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> connected the dots and wrote: ~In article >, ~ maxine in ri > wrote: ~ ~> ~> A friend with a brown thumb tried to grow kudzu as a houseplant. If ~> we could clone him, the stuff would be under control in a week<g>. ~> ~> IIRC, there was an experiment with goats, who will eat it, and they ~> manage to keep it under control. Once it's out of control, tho.... ~> ~> maxine in ri ~ ~I understand it makes a fantastic livestock feed for all ruminants. ~Sheep, goats and cattle. I don't understand why they don't try grazing ~on those fields where it's taken over? ~ ~I've never tried to grow it. Starts of it are offered on ebay. ;-) ~ ~I might get in trouble with the Texas ag. people for importing it. They ~have already banned water hyacinth and you can get fined for having it ~in a home pond, and they just recently banned the sale of mystery/apple ~snails at the pet store which really ****ed me off! I liked to keep one ~to keep my beta tank clean of algae, but I can't ever get one to live ~more than 6 months. :-( ~ ~Cheers! Don't get me started on invasive species. Japanese knotweed, aka J bamboo, was brought in as a quick-growing screen for the wealthy. Now it's so dug in that even roundup won't kill it totally. Wild rose. That stuff with the berries with yellow husks and orange berries Chinese bittersweet<?> I think. My last yard was good at growing only the above. Along with some horsenettle and smartweed. After 7 years of physical eradication efforts, I finally decided to espallier the bittersweet and wild rose, mow the smartweed (doesn't look too bad from a distance) and salt the knotweed. That worked for 6 years until I had back troubles, then it all overgrew again. When we were in Florida, the guide at one of the everglade parks told us about the pythons that people dump, and some type of snail that also causes troubles. For every conciencious caretaker of non-native plants and animals, there are dozens more who get bored with them and toss them where they take root and multiply,pushing out native species that live in harmony with the local fauna who keep them under control. /end rant/ maxine in ri |
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In article >, "CaptCook" >
wrote: > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote > > I understand it makes a fantastic livestock feed for all ruminants. > > Sheep, goats and cattle. I don't understand why they don't try > grazing > > on those fields where it's taken over? > > Kudzu was introduced to be stock feed. It is not. If It was there > would be no problem. > > But that's just it. It is. It's just not being taken advantage of in all areas: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...+livestock+fee d -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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CaptCook wrote: > "OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote > > I understand it makes a fantastic livestock feed for all ruminants. > > Sheep, goats and cattle. I don't understand why they don't try > grazing > > on those fields where it's taken over? > > Kudzu was introduced to be stock feed. It is not. If It was there > would be no problem. It was introduced to halt erosion on railroad embankments in the Southern US. It can be used as pasture and is in Asia. SD |
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > > A friend with a brown thumb tried to grow kudzu as a houseplant. If > > we could clone him, the stuff would be under control in a week<g>. > > > IIRC, there was an experiment with goats, who will eat it, and they > > manage to keep it under control. Once it's out of control, tho.... In the PNW blackberry bushes are a similar nuisance. My SIL in Portland metro has goats to keep her yard free of them. > I understand it makes a fantastic livestock feed for all ruminants. > Sheep, goats and cattle. I don't understand why they don't try grazing > on those fields where it's taken over? Sheep, goats and cattle eat plants that are on the ground. The trouble with kudzu is it grows up the trunks of trees and then spreads out on the branches. There are not enough cows up there grazing 10 meters in the air. |
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On 4 Oct 2005 14:42:20 -0700, "Doug Freyburger" >
wrote: snipped Wasn't Agar that little viking cartoon in the Sunday funnies? |
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> Wasn't Agar that little viking cartoon in the Sunday funnies? Close! "Hagar the Horrible". Andy |
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