vodka question
 

Is anyone familiar with a vodka brand called Beleveder, which is
supposedly the premium version of Grey Goose? I wanted a really good
orange flavored vodka - and was going to buy Absolute or Grey Goose
when I went into the store... but something called Belvedere was in
the bottle design that used to belong to Grey Goose, so I inquired.
The manager and a customer assured me it was good <no sample bottle to
purchase>, so I bought a the smallest bottle, which is big ...hey -
it's kept behind a locked door, so it must be good. LOL

I've tried it twice with about a week's worth of lag time between, but
I can't get past that powdery flavor. I feel like I'm sipping
flavored baby powder!

Is it me, or does it treally have a powdery undertone?

sf
Wondering if Liquor Barn takes back opened bottles of booze w/o a
receipt <yes, it IS that nasty> and not sure what to do with the rest
of it - if I can't return the bottle.

:)

Going from memory, Belvedere is made from rye, therefore
is an atypical form of vodka that, probably, is not to
most vodka drinker's taste. I do not think it is correct
to say it is a premium version of Grey Goose.

Steve

Far as I can tell, someone wrote:
>it's kept behind a locked door, so it must be good.

You have now passed "Marketing 101" with an A+ as taught by Mr. Experience.

You went to buy your favorite Vodka, but what you bought was a cool bottle, the use
of a special door, and the advice of two ignorant vodka sellers.

Fore-armed with your new knowledge, you will now save money by the basketful on many
new products.

New wine with pre-aged labels. "Wow! This bottle looks old! Isn't old wine the
best?"

Water in highly polished plastic. "Wow! This water must be great, it seems to be
shiny!"

"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
> Is anyone familiar with a vodka brand called Beleveder, which is
> supposedly the premium version of Grey Goose? I wanted a really good
> orange flavored vodka -

I have to ask the obvious -
isn't adding orange flavoring to a premium vodka like adding cola to 30
yr rum?
If you want a premium vodka because you can taste the difference in the
flavor of the vodka and appreciate it, why then buy the one with orange
extract in the bottle?
It would seem a better approach to buy a good to better vodka and add a
twist, and save the premuim for neat.

just a thought.....

and was going to buy Absolute or Grey Goose
> when I went into the store... but something called Belvedere was in
> the bottle design that used to belong to Grey Goose, so I inquired.
> The manager and a customer assured me it was good <no sample bottle to
> purchase>, so I bought a the smallest bottle, which is big ...hey -
> it's kept behind a locked door, so it must be good. LOL
>
> I've tried it twice with about a week's worth of lag time between, but
> I can't get past that powdery flavor. I feel like I'm sipping
> flavored baby powder!
>
> Is it me, or does it treally have a powdery undertone?
>
> sf
> Wondering if Liquor Barn takes back opened bottles of booze w/o a
> receipt <yes, it IS that nasty> and not sure what to do with the rest
> of it - if I can't return the bottle.
>
> :)

On 2005-05-21, Steve Pope > wrote:

> is an atypical form of vodka that, probably, is not to
> most vodka drinker's taste.

Vodka!? ...taste!? ...that's funny. Let's see, put Grey Goose, a
premium vodka refined to the point of zero taste plus one, in the
freezer till it will deaden ones tastebuds to zero, and then elucidate
on the flavor profile of vodka. Yeah, right. As a world renown booze
critic put it (I'm paraphrasing), "It's hard to judge a spirit that,
the higher the quality, has less and less flavor."

nb

"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
> sf
> Wondering if Liquor Barn takes back opened bottles of booze w/o a
> receipt <yes, it IS that nasty> and not sure what to do with the rest
> of it - if I can't return the bottle.
>
> :)

Make jello shots for the office, you'll become instantly popular!

Elisa

-- wrote:

> > Is anyone familiar with a vodka brand called Beleveder, which is
> > supposedly the premium version of Grey Goose? I wanted a really good
> > orange flavored vodka -
>
> I have to ask the obvious -
> isn't adding orange flavoring to a premium vodka like adding cola to 30
> yr rum?

Exactly. I get a kick out of people who go out and spend the extra money for
the premium liquors and then mix it with soft drinks because they really don't
like the taste of liquor.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> I have to ask the obvious -
>> isn't adding orange flavoring to a premium vodka like adding cola to
>> 30
>> yr rum?
>
> Exactly. I get a kick out of people who go out and spend the extra money
> for
> the premium liquors and then mix it with soft drinks because they really
> don't
> like the taste of liquor.

I keep two types in the house. Store brand for $10 for 1.75L and a top
brand (varies each time). Mixed, no one has ever detected the difference.
Damned if I'm going to put $30 vodka in tomato juice.

In > Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>> I have to ask the obvious -
>>> isn't adding orange flavoring to a premium vodka like adding cola
>>> to
>>> 30
>>> yr rum?
>>
>> Exactly. I get a kick out of people who go out and spend the extra
>> money for the premium liquors and then mix it with soft drinks
>> because they really don't like the taste of liquor.
>
> I keep two types in the house. Store brand for $10 for 1.75L and a
> top brand (varies each time). Mixed, no one has ever detected the
> difference. Damned if I'm going to put $30 vodka in tomato juice.


You can purchase $10.00 bottles of vodka in your neighbourhood?


--
Cheers

Dennis

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"Ruddell" > wrote in message
>
> You can purchase $10.00 bottles of vodka in your neighbourhood?
>

Yes, $9.99 for the house brand.

On Sat, 21 May 2005 12:35:27 GMT, Elisa wrote:
>
> Make jello shots for the office, you'll become instantly popular!
>
NO, I'd be fired. No smoking or booze is allowed on the premises.

sf
still wondering about that powdery flavor

On Sat, 21 May 2005 03:51:08 -0500, -- wrote:

> I have to ask the obvious -
> isn't adding orange flavoring to a premium vodka like adding cola to 30
> yr rum?
> If you want a premium vodka because you can taste the difference in the
> flavor of the vodka and appreciate it, why then buy the one with orange
> extract in the bottle?
> It would seem a better approach to buy a good to better vodka and add a
> twist, and save the premuim for neat.
>
> just a thought.....

I bought an orange flavored vodka because I like it.

As I said before, I went in thinking of trying Grey Goose - but the
bottle wasn't the same, so I bought the one in the familiar bottle.
As usual, the employee (a store manager, so I put more trust in what
he said) didn't know is head from a hole in the ground and I am
regretting my purchase.

If you can't tell the difference between good vodka and
cheap vodka in a mixed drink, you are mixing your drinks
too weak.

Steve

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2005-05-21, Steve Pope > wrote:
>
>> is an atypical form of vodka that, probably, is not to
>> most vodka drinker's taste.
>
> Vodka!? ...taste!? ...that's funny. Let's see, put Grey Goose, a
> premium vodka refined to the point of zero taste plus one, in the
> freezer till it will deaden ones tastebuds to zero, and then elucidate
> on the flavor profile of vodka. Yeah, right. As a world renown booze
> critic put it (I'm paraphrasing), "It's hard to judge a spirit that,
> the higher the quality, has less and less flavor."
>
> nb

Y'know I used to think that about vodka - it was a tasteless way for people
who do not like liquor to get some ethanol into their systems. I thought it
was funny that people would pay premium prices for a no-taste item. But then
I had a Gray Goose vodka martini and darned if it did not taste really good!
I wonder if there are some subtle taste elements that play a role.


--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

Elisa wrote:

> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>sf
>>Wondering if Liquor Barn takes back opened bottles of booze w/o a
>>receipt <yes, it IS that nasty> and not sure what to do with the rest
>>of it - if I can't return the bottle.
>>
>>:)
>
>
> Make jello shots for the office, you'll become instantly popular!

You know what is really good? Make the jello using club soda and the
booze. It tingles your tongue and tummy :)
>
> Elisa
>
>

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2005-05-21, Steve Pope > wrote:
>
> > is an atypical form of vodka that, probably, is not to
> > most vodka drinker's taste.
>
> Vodka!? ...taste!? ...that's funny.

some can taste a difference, others can't. Doesn't mean it isn't there.

- except to the vodka-taste-challenged :-)

Let's see, put Grey Goose, a
> premium vodka refined to the point of zero taste plus one, in the
> freezer till it will deaden ones tastebuds to zero, and then elucidate
> on the flavor profile of vodka. Yeah, right. As a world renown booze
> critic put it (I'm paraphrasing), "It's hard to judge a spirit that,
> the higher the quality, has less and less flavor."
>
> nb

Dave Smith wrote:

> Exactly. I get a kick out of people who go out and spend the extra money
for
> the premium liquors and then mix it with soft drinks because they really
don't
> like the taste of liquor.


At home (alone!) I drink Gordon's wodka because I mix it with Diet Dr.
Pepper or Schweppes Bitter Lemon or whatever...no need to buy premium stuff
when mixing it with soft drinks...most any swill will work, even ADM...

When I'm at me corner groggery I drink wodka on the rocks, either Effen
cherry - flavored (it's IIRC a French wodka with just a *touch* of cherry
flavor, not over - sweet or over - weening at all) or Ketel One...

If I have guests I'll always have plain Ketel One, Stoly, or some other
premium brand...plus regular 'ole Smirnoff. Plus which most of my guests
are wodka hounds so they'll usually bring something new/interesting...last
brunch someone brought Aalborg aquavit, it made an interesting and tasty
Bloody Mary.

A good friend likes Stoli Raspberry, I find it sickenly sweet, akin to
drinking cough syrup. Each to his own, I guess...

I've tried adding a bit of Torani fruit syrup to wodka to see if I could
make a "flavored" wodka that way, it works okay...

These new flavored wodkas mainly I think appeal to the younger female crowd
who adore those "girly" drinks like flavored martoonis and such. I cringe
as I watch these girls order up these ultra - sweet concoctions, but hey
bars do a big bizness in these drinks at ten or so bux a pop...I see the
trend is starting with gins too.

[BTW Smirnoff was top - rated in a recent _New York Times_ blind taste
test...]

If you want an interesting - tasting type of wodka try some of the Eastern
European stuff, e.g. Polish Wyborova in some of it's various
permutations...IIRC it's made from rye...

My corner bar gets a new type of wodka in at least every week, I think they
have prolly close to 60 or so different types at least on permanent offer
(and this is just a Chicawgo corner tavern, no plush place). As I'm the
official new wodka "taste tester" I find some of these are okay, some are
vile. I really wonder when - and *if* - the market for gussied - up wodkas
will be saturated. I guess when enough enough folx get "saturated" ;-p

--
Best
Greg

-- wrote:

> "notbob" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 2005-05-21, Steve Pope > wrote:
> >
> > > is an atypical form of vodka that, probably, is not to
> > > most vodka drinker's taste.
> >
> > Vodka!? ...taste!? ...that's funny.
>
> some can taste a difference, others can't. Doesn't mean it isn't there.
>
> - except to the vodka-taste-challenged :-)


Vodka got it's big push back in the 50's in the US with Smirnoff's "Smirnoff
leaves you breathless" ad campaign, before that gin was the white water of
choice, wodka before then was used most famously in a concoction called "The
Moscow Mule", otherwise it was not all that popular.

Those Smirnoff ads (which used celebrities, these chic and witty ads are
classics of their kind and were all over the place, e.g. _Life_, _Time_,
_Esquire_, _Holiday_, etc.) pushed vodka as a "neutral" and "tasteless"
mixer, also pushed the fact that you could not detect vodka on the breath
(remember, this was a time when Scotch reigned supreme and three - drink
lunches were the norm)...

[I've got one of these Smirnoff ads framed right above my computer, it's
from 1961 and features glam supermodel Suzy Parker (one of my
"obsessions")...the tagline reads "It's a whole new fashion in liquor...".
Look on Ebay or in old mags for these ads, they are great...]

--
Best
Greg

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
>
> Vodka!? ...taste!? ...that's funny. Let's see, put Grey Goose, a
> premium vodka refined to the point of zero taste plus one, in the
> freezer till it will deaden ones tastebuds to zero, and then elucidate
> on the flavor profile of vodka. Yeah, right. As a world renown booze
> critic put it (I'm paraphrasing), "It's hard to judge a spirit that,
> the higher the quality, has less and less flavor."
>
> nb

Dear notbob, I am in your corner here. I do admit that there is a difference
in well filtered vodka and poorly filtered vodka though. My choice is Stoli
if I have the funds; elsewise Smirnoff is fine.

Charliam, who's spirit of choice is gin but admits that he would choose a
fine vintage Port or tasty ale over any spirituous liquid.

"Dog3" > wrote in message
> I like vodka, a LOT. It is the drink of choice, but I'm no longer allowed.
> Gray Goose makes an excellent martini. It's one of the few vodka martinis
> I
> don't "soil" with olive juice to make it 'dirty'.
>
> Michael

I won't start the "you can't make a martini with vodka" thing, but when
drunk like that, the good stuff does come out way ahead. No bite, just
smoother. It is the Bloody Mary type drinks that the good stuff is lost. The
same can be said for most other forms of liquor. Longer aging and better
filtration makes it more enjoyable to sip.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

On Sat, 21 May 2005 18:07:54 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:

> If you can't tell the difference between good vodka and
> cheap vodka in a mixed drink, you are mixing your drinks
> too weak.
>
I didn't intend to "mix" anything. Orange vodka with a couple of
drops of Grand Marnier or triple sec, served in a stemmed glass.

On Sat, 21 May 2005 21:15:21 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
<gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:


>If you want an interesting - tasting type of wodka try some of the Eastern
>European stuff, e.g. Polish Wyborova in some of it's various
>permutations...IIRC it's made from rye...

I like the Polish vodkas best, and always have Wyborova in the
freezer. Anyone here familiar with the greenish "buffalo herb" Polish
vodka Zubrowka? I love it.

Nathalie in Switzerland

On Sat, 21 May 2005 12:35:27 GMT, "Elisa" > wrote:

>
>Make jello shots for the office, you'll become instantly popular!

How do you make jello shots?

Nathalie in Switzerland

Dog3 wrote:

> >
> > I won't start the "you can't make a martini with vodka" thing, but
> > when drunk like that, the good stuff does come out way ahead.
>
> LOL... The martini with vodka thing was a topic of great debate long ago.
> Gin makes me sick so I don't use it.

Gin made me sick the first time I drank it too. But then I learned that you
aren't supposed to drink that much of anything in one sitting :-)

Good question! I'd like to know too.

Nathalie Chiva wrote:

>On Sat, 21 May 2005 12:35:27 GMT, "Elisa" > wrote:
>
>
>
>>Make jello shots for the office, you'll become instantly popular!
>>
>>
>
>How do you make jello shots?
>
>Nathalie in Switzerland
>
>

Steve Pope > wrote:

> Going from memory, Belvedere is made from rye, therefore
> is an atypical form of vodka that, probably, is not to
> most vodka drinker's taste.

What makes you think it's atypical? Classic Russian vodka, for example,
is typically made from rye. The standard against all other Russian
vodkas are supposed to be judged is Moskovskaya Osobaya, made from rye.
Stolichnaya, made by the same people, is very similar, the only
difference being the addition of some very small amounts of sugar, which
renders it not a classic vodka. It is, of course, made from rye, too.
That was just an example. That there are any number of vodkas made from
other grains or from potatoes doesn't make the rye kind atypical. Check
out "History of Vodka" by William Pokhlyobkin.

Victor

"Jim Davis" > wrote in message
...
> Good question! I'd like to know too.
>
> Nathalie Chiva wrote:
>>How do you make jello shots?
>>
>>Nathalie in Switzerland
On a quick google search you can find this:
http://www.drinkstreet.com/searchres...ello%20sh ots
or this:
http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink4534.html
another one:
http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-..._shots,FF.html
Martha's version:
http://www.mrsmegabyte.com/jello2.html

Dog3 wrote:

> I am going to be in Chicago in August. Perhaps you'll show me this corner
> bar? By then I may be able to handle just a sample of vodka <evil grin>
>


Hey hey I'll be glad to show you! Let me know when you are coming up...is
it for the Halsted St. Fair?

--
Best
Greg

On Sun, 22 May 2005 19:41:03 -0400, "I Caramba"
> wrote:

>
>"Jim Davis" > wrote in message
...
>> Good question! I'd like to know too.
>>
>> Nathalie Chiva wrote:
>>>How do you make jello shots?
>>>
>>>Nathalie in Switzerland
>On a quick google search you can find this:
>http://www.drinkstreet.com/searchres...ello%20sh ots
>or this:
>http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink4534.html
>another one:
>http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-..._shots,FF.html
>Martha's version:
>http://www.mrsmegabyte.com/jello2.html
>

Egads - Is it awful awful, or awful nice?!?

Nathalie in Switzerland

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> -- wrote:
>
> > > Is anyone familiar with a vodka brand called Beleveder, which is
> > > supposedly the premium version of Grey Goose? I wanted a really good
> > > orange flavored vodka -
> >
> > I have to ask the obvious -
> > isn't adding orange flavoring to a premium vodka like adding cola to
30
> > yr rum?
>
> Exactly. I get a kick out of people who go out and spend the extra money
for
> the premium liquors and then mix it with soft drinks because they really
don't
> like the taste of liquor.

Indeed - Laphroig is for neat sipping, if coke is to go anywhere near the
glass at all, then it's Jack Daniels in there.

',;~}~


Shaun aRe

"Nathalie Chiva" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 19:41:03 -0400, "I Caramba"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Jim Davis" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Good question! I'd like to know too.
> >>
> >> Nathalie Chiva wrote:
> >>>How do you make jello shots?
> >>>
> >>>Nathalie in Switzerland
> >On a quick google search you can find this:
>
>http://www.drinkstreet.com/searchres...kname=jello%20
shots
> >or this:
> >http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink4534.html
> >another one:
> >http://www.cooks.com/rec/search/0,1-..._shots,FF.html
> >Martha's version:
> >http://www.mrsmegabyte.com/jello2.html
> >
>
> Egads - Is it awful awful, or awful nice?!?

Last ones I had I was... told I enjoyed.

My favourite jello shots ever were made with Cuervo Gold, plain gelatine
with fresh lime juice added and a little brown sugar - they were bloody
nice.


Shaun aRe

Shaun aRe wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>-- wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Is anyone familiar with a vodka brand called Beleveder, which is
>>>>supposedly the premium version of Grey Goose? I wanted a really good
>>>>orange flavored vodka -
>>>
>>>I have to ask the obvious -
>>> isn't adding orange flavoring to a premium vodka like adding cola to
>
> 30
>
>>>yr rum?
>>
>>Exactly. I get a kick out of people who go out and spend the extra money
>
> for
>
>>the premium liquors and then mix it with soft drinks because they really
>
> don't
>
>>like the taste of liquor.
>
>
> Indeed - Laphroig is for neat sipping, if coke is to go anywhere near the
> glass at all, then it's Jack Daniels in there.
>
> ',;~}~
>
>
> Shaun aRe
>
>
Please! Don't even THINK of doing that to Jack.... :)
Cathy

--
I don't suffer from insanity - I enjoy every minute of it

"cathyxyz" > wrote in message
...
> Shaun aRe wrote:
> > "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>-- wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Is anyone familiar with a vodka brand called Beleveder, which is
> >>>>supposedly the premium version of Grey Goose? I wanted a really good
> >>>>orange flavored vodka -
> >>>
> >>>I have to ask the obvious -
> >>> isn't adding orange flavoring to a premium vodka like adding cola to
> >
> > 30
> >
> >>>yr rum?
> >>
> >>Exactly. I get a kick out of people who go out and spend the extra
money
> >
> > for
> >
> >>the premium liquors and then mix it with soft drinks because they really
> >
> > don't
> >
> >>like the taste of liquor.
> >
> >
> > Indeed - Laphroig is for neat sipping, if coke is to go anywhere near
the
> > glass at all, then it's Jack Daniels in there.
> >
> > ',;~}~
> >
> >
> > Shaun aRe
> >
> >
> Please! Don't even THINK of doing that to Jack.... :)
> Cathy

I am rather mean, aren't I? ',;~}~


Shaun aRe

On Sat, 21 May 2005 21:15:21 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
<gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:

>
>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Exactly. I get a kick out of people who go out and spend the extra money
>for
>> the premium liquors and then mix it with soft drinks because they really
>don't
>> like the taste of liquor.
>
>
>At home (alone!) I drink Gordon's wodka because I mix it with Diet Dr.
>Pepper

i thought ginger ale was gross, but this takes the cake. (but i've
had at least one vodka cranberry/grape juice, so i'm no doubt a
philistine...)

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:

> On Sat, 21 May 2005 21:15:21 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >> Exactly. I get a kick out of people who go out and spend the extra
money
> >for
> >> the premium liquors and then mix it with soft drinks because they
really
> >don't
> >> like the taste of liquor.
> >
> >
> >At home (alone!) I drink Gordon's wodka because I mix it with Diet Dr.
> >Pepper
>
> i thought ginger ale was gross, but this takes the cake. (but i've
> had at least one vodka cranberry/grape juice, so i'm no doubt a
> philistine...)


Well there blake IMNSHO grape juice tastes like mud, so... :-|

Other stuff I mix with wodka (at home or at a friend's place):

- Schweppes Bitter Lemon
- Fresca
- Diet Sunkist
- Some of those RC diet fruit flavors, e.g. black cherry, lemonade...
- Diet 7 - UP
- Diet Cherry Coke


A few years back I had my own private "stash" of Diet Dr. Pepper at my
corner bar so's I could mix it with my wodka. I stopped this practice after
I had to endure the s******s of some of the other barflies...even I have me
pride.

--
Best
Greg