i know they are made with yeast but don't all the yeast die after the
cooking or brewing? besides, all the sugar added to dough gets used up
by the yeast. then the yeast is killed during the baking process.
so, why can't we consume these products?

these foods are simple carbohydrates - or fermented foods - these
create an environment yeast love. you eat bread - it becomes sugar
quickly which is the fuel yeast consume. Mushrooms are a fungus which
carry other fungus along with them. Beer and vinegar are fermented.

these foods also cause dampness in the body creating an environment
that yeast love. this is from the chinese medicine perspective - look
up dampness and chinese medicine on google and youll see it. the foods
above also change the pH - it has nothing to do with yeast in the food
- it has to do with the environment they provide.

if youd like check out this site - www.healthegoods.com
it is dedicated to health promotion and carries great products - soon
they will have lots of supplements that physicians only can carry -
that means the highest quality.

Stay away from the foods you listed though! Eat protein, fiber and
non-starchy vegetables. Eat any sugar, simple carbs or fermented foods
and the yeast will remain.

also recommend taking a probiotic - like acidophilis. Also would
recommend oregano oil, lots of fresh garlic - not cooked - it kills the
activity.

Sam

I don't believe acidophilus is a probiotic. Close but no cigar.

"Sam C." > wrote in message
oups.com...
> these foods are simple carbohydrates - or fermented foods - these
> create an environment yeast love. you eat bread - it becomes sugar
> quickly which is the fuel yeast consume. Mushrooms are a fungus which
> carry other fungus along with them. Beer and vinegar are fermented.
>
> these foods also cause dampness in the body creating an environment
> that yeast love. this is from the chinese medicine perspective - look
> up dampness and chinese medicine on google and youll see it. the foods
> above also change the pH - it has nothing to do with yeast in the food
> - it has to do with the environment they provide.
>
> if youd like check out this site - www.healthegoods.com
> it is dedicated to health promotion and carries great products - soon
> they will have lots of supplements that physicians only can carry -
> that means the highest quality.
>
> Stay away from the foods you listed though! Eat protein, fiber and
> non-starchy vegetables. Eat any sugar, simple carbs or fermented foods
> and the yeast will remain.
>
> also recommend taking a probiotic - like acidophilis. Also would
> recommend oregano oil, lots of fresh garlic - not cooked - it kills the
> activity.
>
> Sam
>

The short answer is there's no reason in the world not to eat these
foods when you have a yeast (candida) infection. Anybody telling you
otherwise is just pushing non-understanding of physiology, plus perhaps
some stupid Chinese astrological horseshit that manages to retain
respect only because a lot of English speakers figure that anything
that hard to understand, must contain some secret wisdom (plus, they
watched David Carrodine Kung Fu people on TV, when they were kids).

You want to know what drinking vinegar does to the pH of your body?
Exactly nothing. It's metabolized to CO2 and water, and the CO2 goes
off in your breath. Vinegar is no more acidifying than sugar or fat.
And less acidifying than protein.

SBH

Can't consume bread, mushrooms, vinegar, beer, etc. if you have yeast
infection?

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" wrote:

> The short answer is there's no reason in the world not to eat these
> foods when you have a yeast (candida) infection. Anybody telling you
> otherwise is just pushing non-understanding of physiology, plus perhaps
> some stupid Chinese astrological horseshit that manages to retain
> respect only because a lot of English speakers figure that anything
> that hard to understand, must contain some secret wisdom (plus, they
> watched David Carrodine Kung Fu people on TV, when they were kids).
>
> You want to know what drinking vinegar does to the pH of your body?
> Exactly nothing. It's metabolized to CO2 and water, and the CO2 goes
> off in your breath. Vinegar is no more acidifying than sugar or fat.
> And less acidifying than protein.

It's wierd tho - my gyn doctor recommends yogurt for chronic yeast
infections. In spite of the OP's notion that a fermented acid product is
bad news, we are sure it helps reduce yeast infection. She was quick
to point out it should be eaten, not used otherwise!
Edrena

Can't consume bread, mushrooms, vinegar, beer, etc. if you have yeast
infection?

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" wrote:

> The short answer is there's no reason in the world not to eat these
> foods when you have a yeast (candida) infection. Anybody telling you
> otherwise is just pushing non-understanding of physiology, plus perhaps
> some stupid Chinese astrological horseshit that manages to retain
> respect only because a lot of English speakers figure that anything
> that hard to understand, must contain some secret wisdom (plus, they
> watched David Carrodine Kung Fu people on TV, when they were kids).
>
> You want to know what drinking vinegar does to the pH of your body?
> Exactly nothing. It's metabolized to CO2 and water, and the CO2 goes
> off in your breath. Vinegar is no more acidifying than sugar or fat.
> And less acidifying than protein.

It's wierd tho - my gyn doctor recommends yogurt for chronic yeast
infections. In spite of the OP's notion that a fermented acid product is
bad news, we are sure it helps reduce yeast infection. She was quick
to point out it should be eaten, not used otherwise!
Edrena

How would vinegar get metabolized into these compounds? Magic?

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> The short answer is there's no reason in the world not to eat these
> foods when you have a yeast (candida) infection. Anybody telling you
> otherwise is just pushing non-understanding of physiology, plus perhaps
> some stupid Chinese astrological horseshit that manages to retain
> respect only because a lot of English speakers figure that anything
> that hard to understand, must contain some secret wisdom (plus, they
> watched David Carrodine Kung Fu people on TV, when they were kids).
>
> You want to know what drinking vinegar does to the pH of your body?
> Exactly nothing. It's metabolized to CO2 and water, and the CO2 goes
> off in your breath. Vinegar is no more acidifying than sugar or fat.
> And less acidifying than protein.
>
> SBH
>

in article 1105137527.f9ae705115257adbc040685123dad92d@terane ws, Piezo Guru
at wrote on 1/7/05 17:41:

> How would vinegar get metabolized into these compounds? Magic?
>
> "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> The short answer is there's no reason in the world not to eat these
>> foods when you have a yeast (candida) infection. Anybody telling you
>> otherwise is just pushing non-understanding of physiology, plus perhaps
>> some stupid Chinese astrological horseshit that manages to retain
>> respect only because a lot of English speakers figure that anything
>> that hard to understand, must contain some secret wisdom (plus, they
>> watched David Carrodine Kung Fu people on TV, when they were kids).
>>
>> You want to know what drinking vinegar does to the pH of your body?
>> Exactly nothing. It's metabolized to CO2 and water, and the CO2 goes
>> off in your breath. Vinegar is no more acidifying than sugar or fat.
>> And less acidifying than protein.
>>
>> SBH
Piezo,

Vinegar is nothing more than a dilute solution of acetic acid. Supermarket
vinegar is 5% acetic acid by volume. Cut that in half, and you could also
use it in the film development process - the stop bath, which stops the
developer action, is often nothing more than an acetic acid solution!

Dieter Zakas

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:41:03 -0500, "Piezo Guru" >
wrote:

>How would vinegar get metabolized into these compounds? Magic?

The "active ingredient" in vinegar is acetic acid. That is a normal
body chemical. Your body's metabolism of sugar includes a step where a
form of acetic acid is made. So you really are converting acetic acid
to CO2 and water all the time.


bob

So it is magic then? or does it take an alkaline substance to do this?

Wouldn't that lower the pH level in your body as it uses it's alkaline
reserves to accomplish neutralizing of an acid compound? Isn't this basic
grade 9 chemistry?

"Bob" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:41:03 -0500, "Piezo Guru" >
> wrote:
>
> >How would vinegar get metabolized into these compounds? Magic?
>
> The "active ingredient" in vinegar is acetic acid. That is a normal
> body chemical. Your body's metabolism of sugar includes a step where a
> form of acetic acid is made. So you really are converting acetic acid
> to CO2 and water all the time.
>
>
> bob
>

It is not wise to rip on an ancient proven medicine - especially if you
are ignorant in how it operates. Your response is lame and without
support.

If you have candida - eat those foods and you will notice a flare up of
symptoms. If you avoid them - your symptoms will be much less.

All the above foods cause dampness. There is no disputing that. You
have a sinus infection or coughing up mass phlegm - drink milk, eat
bread and sugar - youre going to be coughing up way more. This occurs
as dampness creates more yin - which is fluid in the body - when this
occurs, yang - which is movement and fire - is blocked. This impedes
the digestive fire thereby creating dampness - thereby creating a great
environment for candida.

You think Im a quack - that's fine. Go buy your drugs and mess with
your beneficial flora and liver. If you dont - you saved yourself a
visit to the doctor every time you get sick with an URI which can be
lessened by diet. Eat ginger, garlic - warming spice foods which will
stimulate your digestive fire and rid the dampness.

You want to dispute proven medicine - you cant. You want to tell those
millions of patients treated for the past 1000+ years that they got
healthy from pills - dont think so.

Ignorance is not a good thing to have. Be open and learn when
something pops up new instead of bashing on it due to fear of the
unknown.

Respect a form of medicine that works AND saves billions of dollars a
year.

Like what I have to say - go to www.healthegoods.com - where everything
is health promoting and non-pharmaceutical. I dont think Sbharris will
be visiting there...he'd rather take some drugs and drink beer while
having candida. Enjoy it. Drug companies love that....so do fungi and
yeast.

You going to tell me that steroids are ok to take as well??

Sam

Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:
> The short answer is there's no reason in the world not to eat these
> foods when you have a yeast (candida) infection. Anybody telling you
> otherwise is just pushing non-understanding of physiology, plus
perhaps
> some stupid Chinese astrological horseshit that manages to retain
> respect only because a lot of English speakers figure that anything
> that hard to understand, must contain some secret wisdom (plus, they
> watched David Carrodine Kung Fu people on TV, when they were kids).
>
> You want to know what drinking vinegar does to the pH of your body?
> Exactly nothing. It's metabolized to CO2 and water, and the CO2 goes
> off in your breath. Vinegar is no more acidifying than sugar or fat.
> And less acidifying than protein.
>
> SBH

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:44:55 -0500, "Piezo Guru" >
wrote:

>So it is magic then?

no, it is normal metabolism.


>or does it take an alkaline substance to do this?
>
>Wouldn't that lower the pH level in your body as it uses it's alkaline
>reserves to accomplish neutralizing of an acid compound? Isn't this basic
>grade 9 chemistry?

Ah, now a very specific concern, the difference between acetic acid
and the acetate ion. Yes, it costs one molecule of alkali. But with
normal ingestion of vinegar, this is a negligible demand on your
system. So, the point you make here is qualitatively correct, but
quantitatively negligible.

bob


>
>"Bob" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:41:03 -0500, "Piezo Guru" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >How would vinegar get metabolized into these compounds? Magic?
>>
>> The "active ingredient" in vinegar is acetic acid. That is a normal
>> body chemical. Your body's metabolism of sugar includes a step where a
>> form of acetic acid is made. So you really are converting acetic acid
>> to CO2 and water all the time.
>>
>>
>> bob
>>
>

No, you have it exactly wrong. Acetic acid CH3-COOH can be converted
directly to acetyl-CoA via the enzyme acetate thiokinase (costing
hydrolysis of one ATP in the process) and from there it feeds the 2
carbon group directly into the citric acid cycle, where it is oxidized
to CO2 and water, as I said. No acid-base chemistry is involved. No
acid or base load to the body is involved, other than the temporary
need to get rid of the CO2, which of course happens in the lungs, not
the urine.

Now, if you give somebody the acetate salt of a metal (sodium acetate,
say) then you have an effective alkaline load which costs one unit of
mineral acid to get rid of. And this does involve the kidneys. Or, if
you prefer to look at it that way, it allows the body to get rid of one
unit of the kinds of mineral acids it's always making from protein and
DNA oxidation (sulfuric acid, phosphoric acid). So if you give somebody
sodium acetate (or citrate or lactate or any organic acid salt) the
urine will become more alkaline than it would be otherwise. But if you
give the organic acids themselves (acidic, lactic, citric acid) nothing
whatsoever happens to the urine pH. These are burned to CO2 and water,
and that's the end of it.

Got it?

SBH

I knew if we pushed your pH buttons you would come through with a better
response!...LOL

You seem to much knowledge on this internal pH mechanisms. I would like to
know more. I have a long term acidosis problem that keeps popping up. Should
I be eating other products than the basic four food groups, fats, fudge,
chocolate, white and brown sugar?...LOL

Thanx much!

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> No, you have it exactly wrong. Acetic acid CH3-COOH can be converted
> directly to acetyl-CoA via the enzyme acetate thiokinase (costing
> hydrolysis of one ATP in the process) and from there it feeds the 2
> carbon group directly into the citric acid cycle, where it is oxidized
> to CO2 and water, as I said. No acid-base chemistry is involved. No
> acid or base load to the body is involved, other than the temporary
> need to get rid of the CO2, which of course happens in the lungs, not
> the urine.
>
> Now, if you give somebody the acetate salt of a metal (sodium acetate,
> say) then you have an effective alkaline load which costs one unit of
> mineral acid to get rid of. And this does involve the kidneys. Or, if
> you prefer to look at it that way, it allows the body to get rid of one
> unit of the kinds of mineral acids it's always making from protein and
> DNA oxidation (sulfuric acid, phosphoric acid). So if you give somebody
> sodium acetate (or citrate or lactate or any organic acid salt) the
> urine will become more alkaline than it would be otherwise. But if you
> give the organic acids themselves (acidic, lactic, citric acid) nothing
> whatsoever happens to the urine pH. These are burned to CO2 and water,
> and that's the end of it.
>
> Got it?
>
> SBH
>

I have proven that yin & yang are the complete opposite. This cannot be
disputed, by your own words, because it is medical.

Now what?



"Sam C." > wrote in message
oups.com...
> It is not wise to rip on an ancient proven medicine - especially if you
> are ignorant in how it operates. Your response is lame and without
> support.
>
> If you have candida - eat those foods and you will notice a flare up of
> symptoms. If you avoid them - your symptoms will be much less.
>
> All the above foods cause dampness. There is no disputing that. You
> have a sinus infection or coughing up mass phlegm - drink milk, eat
> bread and sugar - youre going to be coughing up way more. This occurs
> as dampness creates more yin - which is fluid in the body - when this
> occurs, yang - which is movement and fire - is blocked. This impedes
> the digestive fire thereby creating dampness - thereby creating a great
> environment for candida.
>
> You think Im a quack - that's fine. Go buy your drugs and mess with
> your beneficial flora and liver. If you dont - you saved yourself a
> visit to the doctor every time you get sick with an URI which can be
> lessened by diet. Eat ginger, garlic - warming spice foods which will
> stimulate your digestive fire and rid the dampness.
>
> You want to dispute proven medicine - you cant. You want to tell those
> millions of patients treated for the past 1000+ years that they got
> healthy from pills - dont think so.
>
> Ignorance is not a good thing to have. Be open and learn when
> something pops up new instead of bashing on it due to fear of the
> unknown.
>
> Respect a form of medicine that works AND saves billions of dollars a
> year.
>
> Like what I have to say - go to www.healthegoods.com - where everything
> is health promoting and non-pharmaceutical. I dont think Sbharris will
> be visiting there...he'd rather take some drugs and drink beer while
> having candida. Enjoy it. Drug companies love that....so do fungi and
> yeast.
>
> You going to tell me that steroids are ok to take as well??
>
> Sam
>
> Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:
> > The short answer is there's no reason in the world not to eat these
> > foods when you have a yeast (candida) infection. Anybody telling you
> > otherwise is just pushing non-understanding of physiology, plus
> perhaps
> > some stupid Chinese astrological horseshit that manages to retain
> > respect only because a lot of English speakers figure that anything
> > that hard to understand, must contain some secret wisdom (plus, they
> > watched David Carrodine Kung Fu people on TV, when they were kids).
> >
> > You want to know what drinking vinegar does to the pH of your body?
> > Exactly nothing. It's metabolized to CO2 and water, and the CO2 goes
> > off in your breath. Vinegar is no more acidifying than sugar or fat.
> > And less acidifying than protein.
> >
> > SBH
>

"And less acidifying than protein"

Protein .. ?

Which 'type' of .. protein ..

Animal or vegetable ..

Who loves ya.
Tom
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http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

"And less acidifying than protein"

Protein .. ?

Which 'type' of .. protein ..

Animal or vegetable ..

Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
Man Is A Herbivore!
http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

Yer messing with me, right? How do you know you have an "acidosis"
problem?

LOL. Ancient Chinese Secret, eh? Too many Kung Fu movies, like I said.
You like the ones like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon where they fly
though the air? How about that Steven Segal one where he wakes from a
coma and has to cure his muscle contractures with moxibustion? Long
before Kill Bill, there was Hard to Kill. Love that stuff.

Fantasy aside, the Chinese are actually buying Western drugs as fast as
they can get them. One of the billion US dollars worth of Pfizer drugs
sold in China last year was Diflucan, an antibiotic for funguses,
including Candida.

http://www.pfizer.com.cn/htmls/edex/EDEX4-10.HTM

(Shanghai, October 29, 2004) - Pfizer China announced today Shanghai
will be the home of its new regional headquarters and that the company
has established a new entity in Shanghai, the Pfizer Investment Holding
Company. With the required approvals from the Ministry of Commerce and
the Shanghai Municipal Government, the newly founded Pfizer China
Regional Headquarters will work to consolidate and integrate the
resources of the company to further Pfizer's investment in the China
market.

Mr. Alan Taylor, Pfizer Pharmaceuticals Regional President for Asia,
presided over the ceremony. "World-class cities attract world-class
companies and that is why we are here," said Mr. Taylor. "China is an
important part of Pfizer's global development strategy. We wanted an
increased presence here and an entity to help us to expedite our
investment, and that is the core mission of the new Regional
Headquarters," Mr. Taylor added.

Mr. Allan Gabor, Chairman and General Manager of Pfizer Investment
Holding Co., emphasized, "We have said we are committed, and we are a
company driven by putting action behind our words." Mr Gabor continued,
"We appreciate all of the support given by the Shanghai Municipal
Government in the establishment of our Regional Headquarters in
Shanghai. Our intention is to play an even greater role in the
development of the healthcare environment here."

The new Regional Headquarters will be located at in the CITIC Square in
the Jing'an District of Shanghai.

Pfizer has long been committed to the development of healthcare in
China since it first entered the market in the early 1980s. To date,
Pfizer's business in China covers three sectors: Human and Animal
Pharmaceuticals and Drug Delivery. Among those, Pfizer's investment for
its pharmaceutical business alone has been over US$500 million. The
company has state-of-the-art pharmaceutical facilities in Dalian,
Suzhou and Wuxi, with over 1500 employees. In addition, the company's
Dalian plant has grown to become a product supply point for Pfizer
Global Manufacturing in the Asia-Pacific Region.

Pfizer has launched more than 40 new products in China to address
medical needs in the disease areas of cardiovascular, endocrinology,
neuroscience, infectious disease, arthritis and inflammation, urology,
ophthalmology and oncology. Seven of Pfizer's 10 products with global
sales of more than US$1 billion have been marketed in China, namely,
Lipitor, Norvasc, Celebrex, Viagra, Diflucan, Zithromax and Zoloft.

An important role of the new investment company will be to facilitate
new product entry into China. In the coming five years, Pfizer plans to
launch another 15 new drugs in China, which are targeted at improving
the lives of patients throughout China. Featured by outstanding
profiles of efficacy and safety, Pfizer's medicines are widely
prescribed and accepted by an increasing number of physicians and
patients.

Pfizer also plays an active role in the communities where it operates,
and the company gets involved in such activities as health education,
medical training, disease control, charitable donations and disaster
relief. This year, the Forbes Chinese Version named Pfizer in the top
three most philanthropic companies in the 2003 MNCs Charity Donation
List in China. Until now, Pfizer China has sponsored various community
programs with more than RMB50 million yuan.

In Shanghai, Pfizer is involved with a Teen Healthcare Education
Program together with Shanghai Pudong Social Worker Association. The
company also works with the Shanghai Huashan Anti-infective Institute
to guide physicians on the appropriate use of antibiotic medications.
Furthermore, Pfizer will launch an Anti-Cancer Education Program with
American Cancer Society (ACS), and in association with the Shanghai
Drug Administration and the Shanghai Administration of Industry and
Commerce. The global company recently also conducted
Anti-Counterfeiting Training to protect Chinese patients the hazardous
risk of counterfeit drugs.

# # #

For more information, please contact Pfizer Investment Holding Co.,
Ltd.
Wang Xunbiao, Communications & Media Manager, 010 65880288-6008

Not messin' wit' ya'
When I stop taking bi-carbs and eating alkaline response foods exessively I
hurt, get tendonitus, bursitus and tear muscles if I move the wrong way. My
wrists, fingers, legs, and lower back feel arthritic and swell in the
mornings, back, leg, neck, biceps cramps. Massages help for 5 minutes and
the cramps are right back.

I have had saliva, urine and blood tests by Naturopathic doctors and they
all see the same thing, "tissue acid levels too high". The cures all take
months of diet change, bi-carbs, vegetable ash etc. to bring the pH levels
back up and the symptoms go away. This took me many medical quacks, many
alternative treatments, massages, Physiotherapists and a few Naturopathic
Doctors to uncover this over ten years before I could get rid of the
cramping and torn attachment tissues.

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Yer messing with me, right? How do you know you have an "acidosis"
> problem?
>

Well, this hardly increases my confidence in ND's. Though of course I
know that the quality of them varies. There are a few good 4 year
schools, and then there are quacks with mailorder degrees.

The pH of the human body (the blood) is very tightly regulated. It's
extremely rare to run a chronic acidosis, and if you do, the cause is
always findable. You're retaining CO2 due to lung disease or you're in
renal failure, or spilling bicarbonate in your urine from renal
disease, or something pretty obvious on a good workup.

Furthermore, it's ridiculous to test for the pH of the body tissues
(blood) by looking at saliva. They have nothing to do with each other.
The same is true of the urine-- normally it's acidic, but you can't
tell anything about the pH of the body by HOW acidic it is.

I suggest you see an MD and have a real blood pH and chem panel done by
a real lab.

SBH

Well, this hardly increases my confidence in ND's. Though of course I
know that the quality of them varies. There are a few good 4 year
schools, and then there are quacks with mailorder degrees.

The pH of the human body (the blood) is very tightly regulated. It's
extremely rare to run a chronic acidosis, and if you do, the cause is
always findable. You're retaining CO2 due to lung disease or you're in
renal failure, or spilling bicarbonate in your urine from renal
disease, or something pretty obvious on a good workup.

Furthermore, it's ridiculous to test for the pH of the body tissues
(blood) by looking at saliva. They have nothing to do with each other.
The same is true of the urine-- normally it's acidic, but you can't
tell anything about the pH of the body by HOW acidic it is.

I suggest you see an MD and have a real blood pH and chem panel done by
a real lab.

SBH

I think they would have to call the ND to know how to do the blood pH tests
for sure. The MDs can't figure it out.

Funny how all the chem/cutters tell you to see a doctor but if I told a
doctor this he would tell me to go elsewhere and not to tell him what to do.

Another anectdote. My mother has taken sodium-bi-carb her whole life. When
she was about 70 we removed the product from her so she couldn't obtain it
anymore. She has had two sessions in the pshyco wing now and they cannot
figure out where her muscular pains are coming from so they medicate her
heavily. She has been in bed now for about two years and will probably die
from lack of movement this year sometime. Other than her "mental illness"
she is physically fit at 80 and can do many situps and aerobics programmes
if she could leave her room from severe pains. Painkillers do not work on
her, opiates, morphine and many OTC drugs have been tried. The baking soda
is going back after 10 years of it. **** the medics. They are narrowminded
assholes mostly. Now you understand why I go to NDs and get relief.


"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Well, this hardly increases my confidence in ND's. Though of course I
> know that the quality of them varies. There are a few good 4 year
> schools, and then there are quacks with mailorder degrees.
>
> The pH of the human body (the blood) is very tightly regulated. It's
> extremely rare to run a chronic acidosis, and if you do, the cause is
> always findable. You're retaining CO2 due to lung disease or you're in
> renal failure, or spilling bicarbonate in your urine from renal
> disease, or something pretty obvious on a good workup.
>
> Furthermore, it's ridiculous to test for the pH of the body tissues
> (blood) by looking at saliva. They have nothing to do with each other.
> The same is true of the urine-- normally it's acidic, but you can't
> tell anything about the pH of the body by HOW acidic it is.
>
> I suggest you see an MD and have a real blood pH and chem panel done by
> a real lab.
>
> SBH
>

I think they would have to call the ND to know how to do the blood pH
tests
for sure. The MDs can't figure it out.


COMMENT:

Says who? I am a physician, so why should I listen to you about what
physicians say? FYI blood changes its pH when exposed to air and it
also changes slowly over time even when not exposed to air (you have
about an hour with samples kept on ice). As blood cells metabolize,
they make lactic acid and pH drops. To get a decent reading, blood
needs to be collected properly, then run through a blood gas analyzer.
This is true even of venous blood (which will have a slightly higher pH
than arterial blood for obvious reasons).

I actually have a working blood gas analyzer in my lab. I will bet you
money your average ND does not. I have no idea what the average ND
has, but I will bet money it's "cargo cult science." Unless they send
it out on ice to a hospital, stat, it's crap.

SBH