I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
with next week's xmas baking looming.
Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
triple-garaged mansion built in its place.

On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 10:59:54 AM UTC-6, Graham wrote:
>
> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
> with next week's xmas baking looming.
> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
>
Oh goodness, I can't advise you which new stove to buy. But I'd try to wait until
after the new year when things should calm down before replacing.

Good luck with your baking. It will take a bit longer though since you've
lost your convection feature.

On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 10:59:54 AM UTC-6, Graham wrote:
> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
> with next week's xmas baking looming.
> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.

I just ordered a Miele dishwasher to replace the Whirlpool that doesn't
reliably get the dishes clean. I'm sick of appliances that break.

--Bryan

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:59:47 -0700, Graham wrote:

> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
> with next week's xmas baking looming.
> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.

There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
that element never turns on when you're just using convection?

-sw

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:13:03 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons wrote:

> I just ordered a Miele dishwasher to replace the Whirlpool that doesn't
> reliably get the dishes clean. I'm sick of appliances that break.

My GE is 34 years old and still kicking. It's been getting more use
lately due to carpal tunnel - I've been running it every 2-3 days
rather than once a week. But it still works along with the Kenmore
washer and dryer - also 34 years old.

-sw

On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 6:59:54 AM UTC-10, Graham wrote:
> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
> with next week's xmas baking looming.
> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
My guess is that replacing the element is pretty simple - just remove a couple of screws and plug in a new element. Getting to the element might be difficult because you probably have to access it from the back. I mostly know Bosch as a maker of lousy auto parts. They also make lousy appliances? You'd think the Germans would do better.

On 20/12/2020 19:17, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:59:47 -0700, Graham wrote:
>
>> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
>> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
>> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
>> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
>> with next week's xmas baking looming.
>> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
>> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
>> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
>> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
>> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
>> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
>> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
>> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
>> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
>
> There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
> elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
> bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
> the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
> that element never turns on when you're just using convection?
>
Mine has top, bottom and fan elements. I can use the top and bottom by
themselves, or I can use them with the fan, or I can use the fan with
the fan element, which is round and surrounds the fan at the back of the
oven. Mine is Italian, a Smeg.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 21:14:49 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:

> On 20/12/2020 19:17, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:59:47 -0700, Graham wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
>>> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
>>> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
>>> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
>>> with next week's xmas baking looming.
>>> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
>>> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
>>> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
>>> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
>>> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
>>> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
>>> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
>>> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
>>> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
>>
>> There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
>> elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
>> bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
>> the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
>> that element never turns on when you're just using convection?
>>
> Mine has top, bottom and fan elements. I can use the top and bottom by
> themselves, or I can use them with the fan, or I can use the fan with
> the fan element, which is round and surrounds the fan at the back of the
> oven. Mine is Italian, a Smeg.

I have gas so my fan doesn't have an element. It seems unnecessary
if you have heat coming from other elements/burners. That element,
if there were one next to the fan, would certainly get more of a
workout and blow up faster than the other two.

-sw

On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 1:21:49 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:13:03 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
> > I just ordered a Miele dishwasher to replace the Whirlpool that doesn't
> > reliably get the dishes clean. I'm sick of appliances that break.
> My GE is 34 years old and still kicking. It's been getting more use
> lately due to carpal tunnel - I've been running it every 2-3 days
> rather than once a week. But it still works along with the Kenmore
> washer and dryer - also 34 years old.

There's a cheap one next door that's 21 years old, and I know it was a
fairly cheap one because we had just bought the house, and had little
extra cash. When I replace that, I'll put in a good one too, as we can
take that off the income from the property. We plan on holding onto
both houses as rentals, and I don't want appliances to fail when we
might be 2,000 miles away. Come to think of it, I think the one next
door is a GE too.
>
> -sw

--Bryan

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 15:33:56 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 21:14:49 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:
>
>> On 20/12/2020 19:17, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:59:47 -0700, Graham wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
>>>> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
>>>> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
>>>> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
>>>> with next week's xmas baking looming.
>>>> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
>>>> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
>>>> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
>>>> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
>>>> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
>>>> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
>>>> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
>>>> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
>>>> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
>>>
>>> There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
>>> elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
>>> bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
>>> the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
>>> that element never turns on when you're just using convection?
>>>
>> Mine has top, bottom and fan elements. I can use the top and bottom by
>> themselves, or I can use them with the fan, or I can use the fan with
>> the fan element, which is round and surrounds the fan at the back of the
>> oven. Mine is Italian, a Smeg.
>
>I have gas

Really...

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:17:37 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:59:47 -0700, Graham wrote:
>
>> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
>> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
>> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
>> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
>> with next week's xmas baking looming.
>> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
>> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
>> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
>> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
>> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
>> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
>> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
>> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
>> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
>
> There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
> elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
> bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
> the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
> that element never turns on when you're just using convection?
>
> -sw

True convection ovens, of which this is one have heating elements in the
fan housing and blast out hot air. Cheaper convection ovens just circulate
the air that is heated by the elements in the oven chamber itself.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 11:37:33 -0800 (PST), dsi1 wrote:

> On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 6:59:54 AM UTC-10, Graham wrote:
>> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
>> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
>> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
>> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
>> with next week's xmas baking looming.
>> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
>> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
>> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
>> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
>> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
>> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
>> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
>> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
>> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
> My guess is that replacing the element is pretty simple - just remove a couple of screws and plug in a new element. Getting to the element might be difficult because you probably have to access it from the back. I mostly know Bosch as a maker of lousy auto parts. They also make lousy appliances? You'd think the Germans would do better.

My Bosch dishwasher became very noisy just after the warrant expired.
OTOH I have a bosch food mixer that I use for making large batches of bread
dough and it barely gets warm. It's a real powerhouse.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 21:14:49 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:

> On 20/12/2020 19:17, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:59:47 -0700, Graham wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
>>> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
>>> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
>>> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
>>> with next week's xmas baking looming.
>>> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
>>> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
>>> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
>>> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
>>> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
>>> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
>>> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
>>> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
>>> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
>>
>> There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
>> elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
>> bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
>> the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
>> that element never turns on when you're just using convection?
>>
> Mine has top, bottom and fan elements. I can use the top and bottom by
> themselves, or I can use them with the fan, or I can use the fan with
> the fan element, which is round and surrounds the fan at the back of the
> oven. Mine is Italian, a Smeg.

Same with mine. Luckily the baking element in the floor still works.

On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-10, Graham wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:17:37 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:59:47 -0700, Graham wrote:
> >
> >> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
> >> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
> >> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
> >> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
> >> with next week's xmas baking looming.
> >> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
> >> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
> >> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
> >> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
> >> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
> >> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
> >> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
> >> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
> >> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
> >
> > There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
> > elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
> > bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
> > the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
> > that element never turns on when you're just using convection?
> >
> > -sw
> True convection ovens, of which this is one have heating elements in the
> fan housing and blast out hot air. Cheaper convection ovens just circulate
> the air that is heated by the elements in the oven chamber itself.
I like that idea. OTOH, if my convection element burnt out, I'd just run the stove without it. I can make a pizza just fine without the convection fan.. Using the convection fan with a dutch baby screws up the rise. I've never found the convection feature to be useful. OTOH, if you're talking about a small oven, it can make the oven act like a bigger one. That's a good thing.
https://www.repairclinic.com/PartDet...484787/1026108

On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 12:20:00 PM UTC-10, Graham wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 11:37:33 -0800 (PST), dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 6:59:54 AM UTC-10, Graham wrote:
> >> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
> >> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
> >> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
> >> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
> >> with next week's xmas baking looming.
> >> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
> >> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
> >> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
> >> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
> >> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
> >> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
> >> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
> >> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
> >> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
> > My guess is that replacing the element is pretty simple - just remove a couple of screws and plug in a new element. Getting to the element might be difficult because you probably have to access it from the back. I mostly know Bosch as a maker of lousy auto parts. They also make lousy appliances? You'd think the Germans would do better.
> My Bosch dishwasher became very noisy just after the warrant expired.
> OTOH I have a bosch food mixer that I use for making large batches of bread
> dough and it barely gets warm. It's a real powerhouse.
Your Bosch mixer sounds like a winner. My daughter's stand mixer just hates to knead bread dough. It gets awful hot and the trim piece will fall off. It's a disgrace! OTOH, it works fine for most stuff. I suppose that's good enough. It's not the mixer's fault if it's kind of a sissy. It's the people that sell the mixer that's to blame!

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 14:28:33 -0800 (PST), dsi1 wrote:

> On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-10, Graham wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:17:37 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:59:47 -0700, Graham wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
>>>> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
>>>> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
>>>> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
>>>> with next week's xmas baking looming.
>>>> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
>>>> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
>>>> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
>>>> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
>>>> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
>>>> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
>>>> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
>>>> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
>>>> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
>>>
>>> There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
>>> elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
>>> bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
>>> the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
>>> that element never turns on when you're just using convection?
>>>
>>> -sw
>> True convection ovens, of which this is one have heating elements in the
>> fan housing and blast out hot air. Cheaper convection ovens just circulate
>> the air that is heated by the elements in the oven chamber itself.
> I like that idea. OTOH, if my convection element burnt out, I'd just run the stove without it. I can make a pizza just fine without the convection fan. Using the convection fan with a dutch baby screws up the rise. I've never found the convection feature to be useful. OTOH, if you're talking about a small oven, it can make the oven act like a bigger one. That's a good thing.
> https://www.repairclinic.com/PartDet...484787/1026108

Mine is a standard 30" wide oven. With true convection, you get even baking
on all racks.

On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 12:37:27 PM UTC-10, Graham wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 14:28:33 -0800 (PST), dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-10, Graham wrote:
> >> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:17:37 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:59:47 -0700, Graham wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
> >>>> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
> >>>> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
> >>>> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
> >>>> with next week's xmas baking looming.
> >>>> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
> >>>> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
> >>>> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
> >>>> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
> >>>> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
> >>>> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
> >>>> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
> >>>> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
> >>>> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
> >>>
> >>> There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
> >>> elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
> >>> bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
> >>> the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
> >>> that element never turns on when you're just using convection?
> >>>
> >>> -sw
> >> True convection ovens, of which this is one have heating elements in the
> >> fan housing and blast out hot air. Cheaper convection ovens just circulate
> >> the air that is heated by the elements in the oven chamber itself.
> > I like that idea. OTOH, if my convection element burnt out, I'd just run the stove without it. I can make a pizza just fine without the convection fan. Using the convection fan with a dutch baby screws up the rise. I've never found the convection feature to be useful. OTOH, if you're talking about a small oven, it can make the oven act like a bigger one. That's a good thing.
> > https://www.repairclinic.com/PartDet...484787/1026108
> Mine is a standard 30" wide oven. With true convection, you get even baking
> on all racks.
I'm talking about small "toaster ovens." The convection feature allows you to use these tiny things to make baked goods that you wouldn't ordinarily be able to bake.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 15:17:12 -0700, Graham wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:17:37 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
>> elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
>> bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
>> the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
>> that element never turns on when you're just using convection?
>
> True convection ovens, of which this is one have heating elements in the
> fan housing and blast out hot air. Cheaper convection ovens just circulate
> the air that is heated by the elements in the oven chamber itself.

Yah, my 'cheap' convection oven is still working and didn't explode
:-P Besides, it's gas - the best of all worlds - convection or not.

-sw

Master Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 15:33:56 -0600, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 21:14:49 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/12/2020 19:17, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:59:47 -0700, Graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
>>>>> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
>>>>> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
>>>>> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
>>>>> with next week's xmas baking looming.
>>>>> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
>>>>> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
>>>>> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
>>>>> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
>>>>> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
>>>>> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
>>>>> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
>>>>> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
>>>>> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
>>>>
>>>> There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
>>>> elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
>>>> bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
>>>> the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
>>>> that element never turns on when you're just using convection?
>>>>
>>> Mine has top, bottom and fan elements. I can use the top and bottom by
>>> themselves, or I can use them with the fan, or I can use the fan with
>>> the fan element, which is round and surrounds the fan at the back of the
>>> oven. Mine is Italian, a Smeg.
>>
>> I have gas
>
> Really...
>

Have a whiff Master!

On 12/20/2020 2:17 PM, Graham wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:17:37 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:59:47 -0700, Graham wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
>>> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
>>> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
>>> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
>>> with next week's xmas baking looming.
>>> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
>>> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
>>> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
>>> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
>>> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
>>> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
>>> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
>>> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
>>> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
>>
>> There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
>> elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
>> bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
>> the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
>> that element never turns on when you're just using convection?
>>
>> -sw
>
> True convection ovens, of which this is one have heating elements in the
> fan housing and blast out hot air. Cheaper convection ovens just circulate
> the air that is heated by the elements in the oven chamber itself.
>


In the old days, a twelve year old boy would be able to rewire your
stove so the fan could be on when the non-convection elements were on.
Not sure if today's twelve year old boys can do anything.

On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 9:19:08 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 12/20/2020 2:17 PM, Graham wrote:
> > On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:17:37 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:59:47 -0700, Graham wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
> >>> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
> >>> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
> >>> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
> >>> with next week's xmas baking looming.
> >>> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
> >>> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
> >>> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
> >>> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
> >>> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
> >>> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
> >>> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
> >>> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
> >>> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
> >>
> >> There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
> >> elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
> >> bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
> >> the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
> >> that element never turns on when you're just using convection?
> >>
> >> -sw
> >
> > True convection ovens, of which this is one have heating elements in the
> > fan housing and blast out hot air. Cheaper convection ovens just circulate
> > the air that is heated by the elements in the oven chamber itself.
> >
> In the old days, a twelve year old boy would be able to rewire your
> stove so the fan could be on when the non-convection elements were on.
> Not sure if today's twelve year old boys can do anything.

Popeye? Is that you?

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 06:19:01 -0800, Taxed and Spent wrote:

> On 12/20/2020 2:17 PM, Graham wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:17:37 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:59:47 -0700, Graham wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
>>>> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
>>>> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
>>>> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
>>>> with next week's xmas baking looming.
>>>> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
>>>> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
>>>> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
>>>> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
>>>> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
>>>> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
>>>> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
>>>> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
>>>> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
>>>
>>> There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
>>> elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
>>> bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
>>> the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
>>> that element never turns on when you're just using convection?
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> True convection ovens, of which this is one have heating elements in the
>> fan housing and blast out hot air. Cheaper convection ovens just circulate
>> the air that is heated by the elements in the oven chamber itself.
>>
>
>
> In the old days, a twelve year old boy would be able to rewire your
> stove so the fan could be on when the non-convection elements were on.
> Not sure if today's twelve year old boys can do anything.

They sure as hell can program your smart phone a darn sight quicker than
you can:-)

On 12/21/2020 7:09 AM, Graham wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 06:19:01 -0800, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
>> On 12/20/2020 2:17 PM, Graham wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:17:37 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:59:47 -0700, Graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
>>>>> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
>>>>> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
>>>>> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
>>>>> with next week's xmas baking looming.
>>>>> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
>>>>> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
>>>>> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
>>>>> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
>>>>> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
>>>>> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
>>>>> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
>>>>> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
>>>>> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
>>>>
>>>> There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
>>>> elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
>>>> bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
>>>> the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
>>>> that element never turns on when you're just using convection?
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>>
>>> True convection ovens, of which this is one have heating elements in the
>>> fan housing and blast out hot air. Cheaper convection ovens just circulate
>>> the air that is heated by the elements in the oven chamber itself.
>>>
>>
>>
>> In the old days, a twelve year old boy would be able to rewire your
>> stove so the fan could be on when the non-convection elements were on.
>> Not sure if today's twelve year old boys can do anything.
>
> They sure as hell can program your smart phone a darn sight quicker than
> you can:-)
>

I don't think they know what they are doing with smartphones, either.
They just bounce around in them a bit and declare victory. and most
people are none the wiser.

On 12/21/2020 7:02 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 9:19:08 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 12/20/2020 2:17 PM, Graham wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:17:37 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:59:47 -0700, Graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
>>>>> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
>>>>> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
>>>>> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
>>>>> with next week's xmas baking looming.
>>>>> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
>>>>> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
>>>>> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
>>>>> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
>>>>> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
>>>>> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
>>>>> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
>>>>> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
>>>>> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
>>>>
>>>> There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
>>>> elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
>>>> bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
>>>> the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
>>>> that element never turns on when you're just using convection?
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>>
>>> True convection ovens, of which this is one have heating elements in the
>>> fan housing and blast out hot air. Cheaper convection ovens just circulate
>>> the air that is heated by the elements in the oven chamber itself.
>>>
>> In the old days, a twelve year old boy would be able to rewire your
>> stove so the fan could be on when the non-convection elements were on.
>> Not sure if today's twelve year old boys can do anything.
>
> Popeye? Is that you?
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

nope.

On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 07:02:17 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 9:19:08 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 12/20/2020 2:17 PM, Graham wrote:
>> > On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:17:37 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:59:47 -0700, Graham wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I have a Bosch convection oven that must be one of the worst things they
>> >>> have ever made. I use the convection feature for all my cooking and last
>> >>> night turned it on to pre-heat for the lousy pizza I'd made.
>> >>> Sparks and flames!!! The convection element burned out. What a time to fail
>> >>> with next week's xmas baking looming.
>> >>> Luckily it has a conventional baking function with the element buried
>> >>> beneath the floor of the oven so I had a "stand-by. I have never used this
>> >>> so I will have to discover the oven's other foibles.
>> >>> Now I'm faced with the dilemma of either paying for an expensive repair or
>> >>> biting the bullet and replacing the whole shebang.
>> >>> As much as I'd like a Miele or other up-market replacement, it isn't worth
>> >>> it. When I eventually downsize to a smaller house or casket, this house
>> >>> will be jacked up and carted away to some rural location and a huge,
>> >>> triple-garaged mansion built in its place.
>> >>
>> >> There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
>> >> elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
>> >> bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
>> >> the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
>> >> that element never turns on when you're just using convection?
>> >>
>> >> -sw
>> >
>> > True convection ovens, of which this is one have heating elements in the
>> > fan housing and blast out hot air. Cheaper convection ovens just circulate
>> > the air that is heated by the elements in the oven chamber itself.
>> >
>> In the old days, a twelve year old boy would be able to rewire your
>> stove so the fan could be on when the non-convection elements were on.
>> Not sure if today's twelve year old boys can do anything.
>
>Popeye? Is that you?
>
>Cindy Hamilton

It's been so long since I was twelve years old I don't remember.

On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 06:19:01 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 12/20/2020 2:17 PM, Graham wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:17:37 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> There's actually an element for the convection fan? Most ovens, the
>>> elements or burners are separate from the fan - one top and one
>>> bottom. Then the fan just swirls the heat around from those. Will
>>> the fan still run with only the bottom element on? Are you sure
>>> that element never turns on when you're just using convection?
>>>
>> True convection ovens, of which this is one have heating elements in the
>> fan housing and blast out hot air. Cheaper convection ovens just circulate
>> the air that is heated by the elements in the oven chamber itself.
>>
>In the old days, a twelve year old boy would be able to rewire your
>stove so the fan could be on when the non-convection elements were on.
>Not sure if today's twelve year old boys can do anything.

They can do things with smartphones that my fingers are too thick for.
Not to mention my brain.

On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 07:25:49 -0800, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 12/21/2020 7:09 AM, Graham wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 06:19:01 -0800, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/20/2020 2:17 PM, Graham wrote:

>>>> True convection ovens, of which this is one have heating elements in the
>>>> fan housing and blast out hot air. Cheaper convection ovens just circulate
>>>> the air that is heated by the elements in the oven chamber itself.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the old days, a twelve year old boy would be able to rewire your
>>> stove so the fan could be on when the non-convection elements were on.
>>> Not sure if today's twelve year old boys can do anything.
>>
>> They sure as hell can program your smart phone a darn sight quicker than
>> you can:-)
>>
>
>I don't think they know what they are doing with smartphones, either.
>They just bounce around in them a bit and declare victory. and most
>people are none the wiser.

Sounds presidential.