Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 19:00:19 -0500, Alex wrote:
>
>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 9:14:44 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 18:16:29 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And today, I went Home Depot and bought a 4x4ft piece of almost
>>>>> 1/2" plywood and will cut 18"x30.5" shelves from and use my
>>>>> remaining 2x2s to mount a stiffener under them, then lay them on
>>>>> the rails, and voila! New shelves at 20" and 40", 18"x30.5" to
>>>>> put the stuff on!
>>>> $50 says they're wobbly.
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>> I am 60 years old and have MS! But I can rip an hour (20-20-20mins) on my Nordictrack!
>>>
>>> Not bad eh?
>>>
>>> And I just bought an almost 1/2 thick piece of plywood and will use 2x2 stiffeners to make the shelves NOT wobbly!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>> Limit the load to marshmallows and you will be fine.Â* 3/4" plywood and
>> deeper shelves would have been a better choice.
> Note the bottom shelf is already sagging and the upper shelf is
> bowed upward.
>
> -sw

Beat you by 7 minutes on that one.

Staining it to match the top shelf will be futile.Â* That one has edge
banding and nicely sanded edges and supports.Â* It looks like he cut the
plywood and 2X2's with a dull chainsaw after a huge bong hit.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 3:10:08 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 10:10:54 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:48:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:54:41 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>> What is 'almost' 1/2" plywood, do you mean some specialty thickness
>>>>> like 7/16"?
>>>> Half-inch plywood is 15/32".
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> And that's almost 1/2 inch! 16/32" = 1/2 inch!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe
>> FAKE WOOD! All plywood is fake wood... plywood is only a **** hair
>> closer to lumber than partical board. I never bought any plywood, I
>> never will. I just went looking with a micrometer so I could measure
>> and there's not one bit of plywood in this house.
>
> What are your kitchen cabinet carcasses made from?
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Constructed with the finest shit in the universe, I'm sure.

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 18:22:37 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 19:00:19 -0500, Alex wrote:
>
>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>> I am 60 years old and have MS! But I can rip an hour (20-20-20mins) on my Nordictrack!
>>>
>>> Not bad eh?
>>>
>>> And I just bought an almost 1/2 thick piece of plywood and will use 2x2 stiffeners to make the shelves NOT wobbly!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> Limit the load to marshmallows and you will be fine.Â* 3/4" plywood and
>> deeper shelves would have been a better choice.
>
>Note the bottom shelf is already sagging and the upper shelf is
>bowed upward.

The authorities need to be informed STAT!

Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 12:58:16 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 3:10:08 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 10:10:54 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:48:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:54:41 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>>> What is 'almost' 1/2" plywood, do you mean some specialty thickness
>>>>>> like 7/16"?
>>>>> Half-inch plywood is 15/32".
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> And that's almost 1/2 inch! 16/32" = 1/2 inch!
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe
>>> FAKE WOOD! All plywood is fake wood... plywood is only a **** hair
>>> closer to lumber than partical board. I never bought any plywood, I
>>> never will. I just went looking with a micrometer so I could measure
>>> and there's not one bit of plywood in this house.
>>
>> What are your kitchen cabinet carcasses made from?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Real lumber... there's no plywood here. The cabinets themselves are
> made of real lumber.
>

Carved from a large block of solid oak no doubt.

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:48:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:54:41 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> > On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 Sqwertz wrote:
> > >On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 John Kuthe wrote:
> > >
> > >> And today, I went Home Depot and bought a 4x4ft piece of almost
> > >> 1/2" plywood and will cut 18"x30.5" shelves from and use my
> > >> remaining 2x2s to mount a stiffener under them, then lay them on
> > >> the rails, and voila! New shelves at 20" and 40", 18"x30.5" to
> > >> put the stuff on!
> > >
> > >$50 says they're wobbly.
> > >
> > >-sw
> > What is 'almost' 1/2" plywood, do you mean some specialty thickness
> > like 7/16"?
> Half-inch plywood is 15/32".

When we moved into this house, I discovered some 2x4s that were so old
that they were actually 2"x4". They're probably at least as old as Sheldon,
but far better preserved.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

--Bryan

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 4:25:19 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 15:10:01 -0500, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
> > Every stick of
> > lumber used to build this house was made from trees growing on this
> > property,
> TBS. Total bullshit. For one, you don't know that. And 2, you
> don't biuld a modern house from fresh wood unless it's a log cabin.
> That wood was harvested, milled, and cured far from your house. And
> you have plywood in your walls.

There's no plywood in my 1925 built house, other than the cheesy, half
built wall I put up in the basement, and the kitchen cabinets we had put
in before we moved in and maybe the bar between the kitchen and
dining room, which was probably not original to the house, and the
underlayment to the bathroom floor that we had rebuilt. Everything else
is old fashioned plaster. The basement has drywall because it was
originally completely open floorplan, with exposed joists.
>
> -sw

--Bryan

Sqwertz wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 19:00:19 -0500, Alex wrote:
>
> > John Kuthe wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 9:14:44 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 18:16:29 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe wrote:
> > > >
> >>>> And today, I went Home Depot and bought a 4x4ft piece of almost
> >>>> 1/2" plywood and will cut 18"x30.5" shelves from and use my
> >>>> remaining 2x2s to mount a stiffener under them, then lay them on
> >>>> the rails, and voila! New shelves at 20" and 40", 18"x30.5" to
> >>>> put the stuff on!
> >>> $50 says they're wobbly.
> > > >
> >>> -sw
> >> I am 60 years old and have MS! But I can rip an hour
> (20-20-20mins) on my Nordictrack!
> > >
> >> Not bad eh?
> > >
> >> And I just bought an almost 1/2 thick piece of plywood and will
> use 2x2 stiffeners to make the shelves NOT wobbly!
> > >
> >> John Kuthe...
> >
> > Limit the load to marshmallows and you will be fine.* 3/4" plywood
> > and deeper shelves would have been a better choice.
>
> Note the bottom shelf is already sagging and the upper shelf is
> bowed upward.
>
> -sw

Picture I saw had no shelves yet.

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 16:55:17 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:48:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:54:41 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> > On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 Sqwertz wrote:
>> > >On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 John Kuthe wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> And today, I went Home Depot and bought a 4x4ft piece of almost
>> > >> 1/2" plywood and will cut 18"x30.5" shelves from and use my
>> > >> remaining 2x2s to mount a stiffener under them, then lay them on
>> > >> the rails, and voila! New shelves at 20" and 40", 18"x30.5" to
>> > >> put the stuff on!
>> > >
>> > >$50 says they're wobbly.
>> > >
>> > >-sw
>> > What is 'almost' 1/2" plywood, do you mean some specialty thickness
>> > like 7/16"?
>> Half-inch plywood is 15/32".
>
>When we moved into this house, I discovered some 2x4s that were so old
>that they were actually 2"x4". They're probably at least as old as Sheldon,
>but far better preserved.

lol

John Kuthe wrote:

> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:48:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:54:41 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> ...
> > > What is 'almost' 1/2" plywood, do you mean some specialty
> > > thickness like 7/16"?
> > Half-inch plywood is 15/32".
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> And that's almost 1/2 inch! 16/32" = 1/2 inch!
>
>
> John Kuthe...

Yup. It is. Forget the others, if you give a good dimension, I can
tell you (without messing with you like so many do) how to do this
simple.

You are right that a center riser of the wood you said is about right.

Sadly some want you to hire a professional for this simple but
satisfying home job, then positively put you on a rack and try to make
you cry because they watched you spend money.

I have a better idea. Work with what fits you and the budget and trust
yourself on this one. At the worst, you may have needed 24 inch rails
there.

On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 19:53:27 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>John Kuthe wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:48:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton
>> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:54:41 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> ...
>> > > What is 'almost' 1/2" plywood, do you mean some specialty
>> > > thickness like 7/16"?
>> > Half-inch plywood is 15/32".
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> And that's almost 1/2 inch! 16/32" = 1/2 inch!
>>
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>Yup. It is. Forget the others, if you give a good dimension, I can
>tell you (without messing with you like so many do) how to do this
>simple.
>
>You are right that a center riser of the wood you said is about right.
>
>Sadly some want you to hire a professional for this simple but
>satisfying home job, then positively put you on a rack and try to make
>you cry because they watched you spend money.

Exactly.

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 7:58:01 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 19:53:27 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> >John Kuthe wrote:
> >
> >> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:48:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:54:41 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >> ...
> >> > > What is 'almost' 1/2" plywood, do you mean some specialty
> >> > > thickness like 7/16"?
> >> > Half-inch plywood is 15/32".
> >> >
> >> > Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> And that's almost 1/2 inch! 16/32" = 1/2 inch!
> >>
> >>
> >> John Kuthe...
> >
> >Yup. It is. Forget the others, if you give a good dimension, I can
> >tell you (without messing with you like so many do) how to do this
> >simple.
> >
> >You are right that a center riser of the wood you said is about right.
> >
> >Sadly some want you to hire a professional for this simple but
> >satisfying home job, then positively put you on a rack and try to make
> >you cry because they watched you spend money.
> Exactly.


Exactly x2

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 8:20:21 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 4:25:19 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 15:10:01 -0500, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> >
> > > Every stick of
> > > lumber used to build this house was made from trees growing on this
> > > property,
> > TBS. Total bullshit. For one, you don't know that. And 2, you
> > don't biuld a modern house from fresh wood unless it's a log cabin.
> > That wood was harvested, milled, and cured far from your house. And
> > you have plywood in your walls.
> There's no plywood in my 1925 built house, other than the cheesy, half
> built wall I put up in the basement, and the kitchen cabinets we had put
> in before we moved in and maybe the bar between the kitchen and
> dining room, which was probably not original to the house, and the
> underlayment to the bathroom floor that we had rebuilt. Everything else
> is old fashioned plaster. The basement has drywall because it was
> originally completely open floorplan, with exposed joists.

There's nothing wrong with plywood. It's superior where dimensional
stability is required. Custom cabinetmakers use it all the time.

There's some plywood in my 1947 built house. When we gutted the
bathroom we found some previous "handy" person had hacked holes
in the tongue-in-groove subfloor at various locations for plumbing
fixtures that were never installed. It looked like they used an axe.

We cleaned up the holes and patched them with plywood, then covered
the entire floor with 3/4" plywood, then with concrete backer board for tile.
The old floor was a thick bed of mortar. Installing those three new layers
brought the floor up to slightly below the level of the hallway.

My kitchen cabinets are particleboard. The "finest" 1985 cabinetry.
Replacing them is on our "to do" list. The new cabinets will have
plywood carcasses.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 1:10:59 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 8:20:21 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 4:25:19 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> > > On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 15:10:01 -0500, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > > Every stick of
> > > > lumber used to build this house was made from trees growing on this
> > > > property,
> > > TBS. Total bullshit. For one, you don't know that. And 2, you
> > > don't biuld a modern house from fresh wood unless it's a log cabin.
> > > That wood was harvested, milled, and cured far from your house. And
> > > you have plywood in your walls.
> > There's no plywood in my 1925 built house, other than the cheesy, half
> > built wall I put up in the basement, and the kitchen cabinets we had put
> > in before we moved in and maybe the bar between the kitchen and
> > dining room, which was probably not original to the house, and the
> > underlayment to the bathroom floor that we had rebuilt. Everything else
> > is old fashioned plaster. The basement has drywall because it was
> > originally completely open floorplan, with exposed joists.
> There's nothing wrong with plywood. It's superior where dimensional
> stability is required. Custom cabinetmakers use it all the time.
>
> There's some plywood in my 1947 built house. When we gutted the
> bathroom we found some previous "handy" person had hacked holes
> in the tongue-in-groove subfloor at various locations for plumbing
> fixtures that were never installed. It looked like they used an axe.
>
> We cleaned up the holes and patched them with plywood, then covered
> the entire floor with 3/4" plywood, then with concrete backer board for tile.
> The old floor was a thick bed of mortar. Installing those three new layers
> brought the floor up to slightly below the level of the hallway.
>
> My kitchen cabinets are particleboard. The "finest" 1985 cabinetry.
> Replacing them is on our "to do" list. The new cabinets will have
> plywood carcasses.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
I have a couple of guitars with plywood tops and a couple with solid spruce and cedar tops. The trouble with solid top wood guitars is that the tops tend to warp from the pull of the strings over time which can make the guitar unplayable after a few years. Having a guitar that's unplayable is a real drag. The plywood top guitars are dead stable. That's pretty awesome.