DUH!

https://www.delish.com/food-news/a46...ternet-insane/

On 8/9/2020 4:10 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> DUH!
>
> https://www.delish.com/food-news/a46...ternet-insane/
>


Maybe the teacher thought they were sharing one pizza. LOL.

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 16:10:26 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:

> DUH!
>
> https://www.delish.com/food-news/a46...ternet-insane/

This is the shit that makes new these days other than riots,
protests, politics, and pandemics?

The answer came to me even before I finished reading the problem.

-sw

On 8/9/2020 7:10 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> DUH!
>
> https://www.delish.com/food-news/a46...ternet-insane/
>
If it is a 5th grade math question you can make one conclusion of a
poorly worded question.

If it is a question of real world logic, the answer is different to a
simple question any of us should be able to answer.

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 23:26:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/9/2020 7:10 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> DUH!
>>
>> https://www.delish.com/food-news/a46...ternet-insane/
>>
>If it is a 5th grade math question you can make one conclusion of a
>poorly worded question.
>
>If it is a question of real world logic, the answer is different to a
>simple question any of us should be able to answer.

It's easier to answer the question than to understand the above post.

On 8/9/2020 8:32 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 23:26:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 8/9/2020 7:10 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>> DUH!
>>>
>>> https://www.delish.com/food-news/a46...ternet-insane/
>>>
>> If it is a 5th grade math question you can make one conclusion of a
>> poorly worded question.
>>
>> If it is a question of real world logic, the answer is different to a
>> simple question any of us should be able to answer.
>
> It's easier to answer the question than to understand the above post.
>

hear hear.

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 16:10:26 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
> > DUH!
> >
> > https://www.delish.com/food-news/a46...ternet-insane/
>
> This is the shit that makes new these days other than riots,
> protests, politics, and pandemics?

I saw a "good one" on the news when this pandemic first started.
Father went out on the street with chalk and wrote many
math problems. They he sent his young children out with chalk
to solve them. Childen playing math in the street. Good
thinking.

On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 8:19:35 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 16:10:26 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >
> > > DUH!
> > >
> > > https://www.delish.com/food-news/a46...ternet-insane/
> >
> > This is the shit that makes new these days other than riots,
> > protests, politics, and pandemics?
>
> I saw a "good one" on the news when this pandemic first started.
> Father went out on the street with chalk and wrote many
> math problems. They he sent his young children out with chalk
> to solve them. Childen playing math in the street. Good
> thinking.

Looks like it was a cul-de-sac. Roughly as dangerous as chalking
the math problems in one's own driveway.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 8:19:35 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > Sqwertz wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 16:10:26 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > >
> > > > DUH!
> > > >
> > > > https://www.delish.com/food-news/a46...ternet-insane/
> > >
> > > This is the shit that makes new these days other than riots,
> > > protests, politics, and pandemics?
> >
> > I saw a "good one" on the news when this pandemic first started.
> > Father went out on the street with chalk and wrote many
> > math problems. They he sent his young children out with chalk
> > to solve them. Childen playing math in the street. Good
> > thinking.
>
> Looks like it was a cul-de-sac. Roughly as dangerous as chalking
> the math problems in one's own driveway.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Yes, it was a cul-de-sac but still not smart as other people
use the street end. Maybe he should have done that in his own
driveway. Even better, why not on paper inside at a table?

I've seen so many stupid videos of "how to stay sane during
the lockdown." Evidently many people go nuts just staying
at home. I've never had that problem.

Since so many people seem to be obsessed with their cell
phones, I wouldn't think staying home should be such a problem.

On 2020-08-10 8:19 a.m., Gary wrote:

> I saw a "good one" on the news when this pandemic first started.
> Father went out on the street with chalk and wrote many
> math problems. They he sent his young children out with chalk
> to solve them. Childen playing math in the street. Good
> thinking.
>

People have had some odd ideas in this lock down. We have had a number
of cases where people were given hefty tickets for failing to socially
distance, and then they go whining to the press. News of the new laws
and fines was well publicized. Towns and cities handed out a lot of
warnings at first. Then they threatened to start laying charges, and
when people continued to ignore the new laws they started handing out
tickets.

One guy got a ticket for taking his three sons to the parking lot at the
local community centre. The centre was closed and posted. He whined to
the press that they were socially distancing and how there was no one
else there so no problems about passing on the virus. There was no one
else there. Everyone else was obeying the law. If everyone else was
violating the law there would have been lots of people there.


There was a case of a guy who took his took out to do its business. His
story was that the cops were waiting for him when he got back and
ticketed. He made it sound like he was gone for two minutes. It turned
out there was more than that to it. He was under mandatory quarantine
because he had recently returned from Mexico. His neighbours knew that
had have been complaining because of his frequent violations. His sob
story seems to have omitted the fact that the cops had been there a few
days earlier and given him a warning.

On 8/10/2020 8:19 AM, Gary wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 16:10:26 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>>> DUH!
>>>
>>> https://www.delish.com/food-news/a46...ternet-insane/
>>
>> This is the shit that makes new these days other than riots,
>> protests, politics, and pandemics?
>
> I saw a "good one" on the news when this pandemic first started.
> Father went out on the street with chalk and wrote many
> math problems. They he sent his young children out with chalk
> to solve them. Childen playing math in the street. Good
> thinking.
>
Growing up in the city we played many games in the street. Great
experience.

On 8/10/2020 10:30 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> There was a case of a guy who took his took out to do its business. His
> story was that the cops were waiting for him when he got back and
> ticketed. He made it sound like he was gone for two minutes. It turned
> out there was more than that to it. He was under mandatory quarantine
> because he had recently returned from Mexico. His neighbours knew that
> had have been complaining because of his frequent violations. His sob
> story seems to have omitted the fact that the cops had been there a few
> days earlier and given him a warning.
>

I guess it all depends on where you are and who you are with. I'm
presently quarantined where I am but have no complaints. If the
accommodations are top notch, it is quite nice.

Well, time to go sit out on the deck and watch the ocean waves.

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 06:08:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 8:19:35 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 16:10:26 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>
>>> > DUH!
>>> >
>>> > https://www.delish.com/food-news/a46...ternet-insane/
>>>
>>> This is the shit that makes new these days other than riots,
>>> protests, politics, and pandemics?
>>
>> I saw a "good one" on the news when this pandemic first started.
>> Father went out on the street with chalk and wrote many
>> math problems. They he sent his young children out with chalk
>> to solve them. Childen playing math in the street. Good
>> thinking.
>
> Looks like it was a cul-de-sac. Roughly as dangerous as chalking
> the math problems in one's own driveway.

Uh-uh. People think culdesacs are quiet, but they aren't. A lot of
people and delivery drivers especially, use them to turn around. If
you live just up from a culdesac, you get twice as many UPS, USPS,
FEDEX, Amazon, and trash/recycling trucks than people on thru
streets.

Worse, is that there is no defined direction of travel in a
culdesac - you never know which direction they'll be coming
from/going to. 40% of vehicles travel clockwise through a culdesac
for some reason.

-sw

On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 9:19:22 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 8:19:35 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > Sqwertz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 16:10:26 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > DUH!
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.delish.com/food-news/a46...ternet-insane/
> > > >
> > > > This is the shit that makes new these days other than riots,
> > > > protests, politics, and pandemics?
> > >
> > > I saw a "good one" on the news when this pandemic first started.
> > > Father went out on the street with chalk and wrote many
> > > math problems. They he sent his young children out with chalk
> > > to solve them. Childen playing math in the street. Good
> > > thinking.
> >
> > Looks like it was a cul-de-sac. Roughly as dangerous as chalking
> > the math problems in one's own driveway.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> Yes, it was a cul-de-sac but still not smart as other people
> use the street end.

1. It's a cul-de-sac. People aren't bombing through it at 90 mph.
2. It was during the lockdown. Not that many people were driving.

> Maybe he should have done that in his own
> driveway. Even better, why not on paper inside at a table?

Fresh air? Sunshine? Motivating the kid to do his math problems?

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:49:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> 1. It's a cul-de-sac. People aren't bombing through it at 90 mph.

Again, you'd be surprised at the number of commercial delivery
trucks and cars that can 45MPH through a culdesac.

-sw

On 2020-08-10 2:03 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:49:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> 1. It's a cul-de-sac. People aren't bombing through it at 90 mph.
>
> Again, you'd be surprised at the number of commercial delivery
> trucks and cars that can 45MPH through a culdesac.
>
I would be surprised to see that because, around here, courier trucks
tend to drive carefully.

On 16:36 10 Aug 2020, Ed Pawlowski said:

> On 8/10/2020 10:30 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> There was a case of a guy who took his took out to do its business. His
>> story was that the cops were waiting for him when he got back and
>> ticketed. He made it sound like he was gone for two minutes. It turned
>> out there was more than that to it. He was under mandatory quarantine
>> because he had recently returned from Mexico. His neighbours knew that
>> had have been complaining because of his frequent violations. His sob
>> story seems to have omitted the fact that the cops had been there a few
>> days earlier and given him a warning.
>>
>
> I guess it all depends on where you are and who you are with. I'm
> presently quarantined where I am but have no complaints. If the
> accommodations are top notch, it is quite nice.
>
> Well, time to go sit out on the deck and watch the ocean waves.

Nice way to pass time. Keep safe. This virus is no joke.

On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 2:03:11 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:49:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > 1. It's a cul-de-sac. People aren't bombing through it at 90 mph.
>
> Again, you'd be surprised at the number of commercial delivery
> trucks and cars that can 45MPH through a culdesac.
>
> -sw

Cul-de-sacs must be bigger where you're from. Here they're usually
half a dozen houses around a circle of asphalt.

There's barely enough room to turn around if cars are parked on
the street in one. As they usually are.

Cindy Hamilton

On 8/10/2020 3:02 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 2:03:11 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:49:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> 1. It's a cul-de-sac. People aren't bombing through it at 90 mph.
>>
>> Again, you'd be surprised at the number of commercial delivery
>> trucks and cars that can 45MPH through a culdesac.
>>
>> -sw
>
> Cul-de-sacs must be bigger where you're from. Here they're usually
> half a dozen houses around a circle of asphalt.
>
> There's barely enough room to turn around if cars are parked on
> the street in one. As they usually are.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

10 houses on my street and none on the actual circular portion. I'd
guess at 4 to 6 cars a day pass my house at the end.

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:02:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> Again, you'd be surprised at the number of commercial delivery
>> trucks and cars that can 45MPH through a culdesac.
>
> Cul-de-sacs must be bigger where you're from. Here they're usually
> half a dozen houses around a circle of asphalt.
>
> There's barely enough room to turn around if cars are parked on
> the street in one. As they usually are.

6 houses, nobody parks in it. Their outside tries often go 40-45MPH.
20-40 cars and trucks a day (100 if it's bulk trash pickup week -
scavengers).

-sw

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 12:48:05 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:02:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> >> Again, you'd be surprised at the number of commercial delivery
> >> trucks and cars that can 45MPH through a culdesac.
> >
> > Cul-de-sacs must be bigger where you're from. Here they're usually
> > half a dozen houses around a circle of asphalt.
> >
> > There's barely enough room to turn around if cars are parked on
> > the street in one. As they usually are.
>
> 6 houses, nobody parks in it. Their outside tries often go 40-45MPH.
> 20-40 cars and trucks a day (100 if it's bulk trash pickup week -
> scavengers).
>
> -sw

Here's a cul de sac:

<https://www.realtor.com/advice/buy/why-do-we-have-cul-de-sacs/>

You'd have to be insane to go 40 in that little circle.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 09:00:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/10/2020 3:02 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 2:03:11 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 09:49:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1. It's a cul-de-sac. People aren't bombing through it at 90 mph.
>>>
>>> Again, you'd be surprised at the number of commercial delivery
>>> trucks and cars that can 45MPH through a culdesac.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> Cul-de-sacs must be bigger where you're from. Here they're usually
>> half a dozen houses around a circle of asphalt.
>>
>> There's barely enough room to turn around if cars are parked on
>> the street in one. As they usually are.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
>10 houses on my street and none on the actual circular portion. I'd
>guess at 4 to 6 cars a day pass my house at the end.

I live on a County Road that's about 2 miles long that connects two
other longer county roads. During the morning and evening hours
essentially only the people living on this road are going to or coming
from work, about half the people living on this road are farmers who
rarely go anywhere, like me they rarely leave their property. During
the day perhaps one vehicle per hour passes and usually delivery vans
and small school buses, at night a few drunks, sober people don't
drive around here between dusk and dawn... way too many critters
roaming about... most nights it's pitch black and there are zero
street lights... and these are very winding narrow roads... I've been
told that they only paved where the livestock walked.

This area is as rural as rural gets, this is not like some new
subdivision, this area was new during Revolutionary times.... many of
the churches here are some 300+ years old.

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:20:10 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 09:00:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>10 houses on my street and none on the actual circular portion. I'd
>>guess at 4 to 6 cars a day pass my house at the end.
>
>I live on a County Road that's about 2 miles long that connects two
>other longer county roads. During the morning and evening hours
>essentially only the people living on this road are going to or coming
>from work, about half the people living on this road are farmers who
>rarely go anywhere, like me they rarely leave their property. During
>the day perhaps one vehicle per hour passes and usually delivery vans
>and small school buses, at night a few drunks, sober people don't
>drive around here between dusk and dawn... way too many critters
>roaming about... most nights it's pitch black and there are zero
>street lights... and these are very winding narrow roads... I've been
>told that they only paved where the livestock walked.
>
>This area is as rural as rural gets

I beat you when it comes to rurality. But we are on the electricity
net and on the outer reaches of garbage retrieval. You can do a lot
more "bush" still.

On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 9:49AM -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> 1. It's a cul-de-sac. People aren't bombing through it at 90 mph.

Nowadays, the kids can do that and faster with their new e-bikes, scooters, e-ekates, etc.. and they can all tell each other to flash mob certain places at certain times. Imagine if we had all that back in the 70's ! !

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:03:03 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 12:48:05 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:02:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>>> Again, you'd be surprised at the number of commercial delivery
>>>> trucks and cars that can 45MPH through a culdesac.
>>>
>>> Cul-de-sacs must be bigger where you're from. Here they're usually
>>> half a dozen houses around a circle of asphalt.
>>>
>>> There's barely enough room to turn around if cars are parked on
>>> the street in one. As they usually are.
>>
>> 6 houses, nobody parks in it. Their outside tries often go 40-45MPH.
>> 20-40 cars and trucks a day (100 if it's bulk trash pickup week -
>> scavengers).
>>
>> -sw
>
> Here's a cul de sac:
>
> <https://www./>

Uh, I know what one looks like.

> You'd have to be insane to go 40 in that little circle.

Delivery drivers are especially good at it.

-sw

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 09:00:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> 10 houses on my street and none on the actual circular portion. I'd
> guess at 4 to 6 cars a day pass my house at the end.

Doesn't Florida have like 10X the number of culdesacs of any other
state ? :-)

-sw

Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:20:10 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 09:00:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> 10 houses on my street and none on the actual circular portion. I'd
>>> guess at 4 to 6 cars a day pass my house at the end.
>>
>> I live on a County Road that's about 2 miles long that connects two
>> other longer county roads. During the morning and evening hours
>> essentially only the people living on this road are going to or coming
>>from work, about half the people living on this road are farmers who
>> rarely go anywhere, like me they rarely leave their property. During
>> the day perhaps one vehicle per hour passes and usually delivery vans
>> and small school buses, at night a few drunks, sober people don't
>> drive around here between dusk and dawn... way too many critters
>> roaming about... most nights it's pitch black and there are zero
>> street lights... and these are very winding narrow roads... I've been
>> told that they only paved where the livestock walked.
>>
>> This area is as rural as rural gets
>
> I beat you when it comes to rurality. But we are on the electricity
> net and on the outer reaches of garbage retrieval. You can do a lot
> more "bush" still.
>

Nobody beats Popeye fool.

On 8/11/2020 3:09 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 09:00:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> 10 houses on my street and none on the actual circular portion. I'd
>> guess at 4 to 6 cars a day pass my house at the end.
>
> Doesn't Florida have like 10X the number of culdesacs of any other
> state ? :-)
>
> -sw
>

In the developments there are few straight roads. Loops and cul de sacs
abound.

On 2020 Aug 10, , Sqwertz wrote
(in article >):

> Worse, is that there is no defined direction of travel in a
> culdesac - you never know which direction they'll be coming
> from/going to. 40% of vehicles travel clockwise through a culdesac
> for some reason.

Sounds like the recently implemented American roundabout. No one knows which
direction or lane Ill be traveling.

leo

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 23:44:50 -0700, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2020 Aug 10, , Sqwertz wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> Worse, is that there is no defined direction of travel in a
>> culdesac - you never know which direction they'll be coming
>> from/going to. 40% of vehicles travel clockwise through a culdesac
>> for some reason.
>
>Sounds like the recently implemented American roundabout. No one knows which
>direction or lane I’ll be traveling.
>
>leo

Most I've seen have an arrow indicating one way.

On 2020-08-12 9:54 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 23:44:50 -0700, Leo >
> wrote:
>

>> Sounds like the recently implemented American roundabout. No one knows which
>> direction or lane Ill be traveling.
>>
>> leo
>
> Most I've seen have an arrow indicating one way.


It should not be too confusing about which way to go. The problem is
with the understanding or misunderstanding about right of way. Traffic
already in the circle had ROW. As long as everyone understands that,
traffic moves slowly. I was once following a car through the circle and
a the guy slammed on his brakes because there was a car coming from the
right. That was was required to yield to us, but the guy ahead of me
screwed things up. On the flip side, I was going through one town and
I was making a turn. I was almost all the way around when an oncoming
vehicle just about broadsided me. I don't know what she was thinking.
Even if I was a little further back I was already in the circle and had
ROW.

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 10:34:16 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-08-12 9:54 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 23:44:50 -0700, Leo >
> > wrote:
> >
>
> >> Sounds like the recently implemented American roundabout. No one knows which
> >> direction or lane Ill be traveling.
> >>
> >> leo
> >
> > Most I've seen have an arrow indicating one way.
>
>
> It should not be too confusing about which way to go. The problem is
> with the understanding or misunderstanding about right of way. Traffic
> already in the circle had ROW. As long as everyone understands that,
> traffic moves slowly. I was once following a car through the circle and
> a the guy slammed on his brakes because there was a car coming from the
> right. That was was required to yield to us, but the guy ahead of me
> screwed things up. On the flip side, I was going through one town and
> I was making a turn. I was almost all the way around when an oncoming
> vehicle just about broadsided me. I don't know what she was thinking.
> Even if I was a little further back I was already in the circle and had
> ROW.

I had to laugh. Ann Arbor has been installing roundabouts. One of
them is at a very busy intersection where the senior citizens' recreation
center is located. It just seemed mean to me: to inflict that on a bunch
of old people who drove for 50-60 years without ever getting any practice
or experience navigating a roundabout.

The notion of installing a traffic control feature that relied on the
attentiveness and courtesy of American drivers also struck me as ironic.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2020-08-12 10:52 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 10:34:16 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:

>> It should not be too confusing about which way to go. The problem is
>> with the understanding or misunderstanding about right of way. Traffic
>> already in the circle had ROW. As long as everyone understands that,
>> traffic moves slowly. I was once following a car through the circle and
>> a the guy slammed on his brakes because there was a car coming from the
>> right. That was was required to yield to us, but the guy ahead of me
>> screwed things up. On the flip side, I was going through one town and
>> I was making a turn. I was almost all the way around when an oncoming
>> vehicle just about broadsided me. I don't know what she was thinking.
>> Even if I was a little further back I was already in the circle and had
>> ROW.
>
> I had to laugh. Ann Arbor has been installing roundabouts. One of
> them is at a very busy intersection where the senior citizens' recreation
> center is located. It just seemed mean to me: to inflict that on a bunch
> of old people who drove for 50-60 years without ever getting any practice
> or experience navigating a roundabout.

That ranks up there with the first one in this area. It was built in the
nearby city of Welland, which has the worst drivers I have ever seen.
They are not particularly fast or aggressive. They don't know what lane
to drive in. Three quarters of the cars on four lane roads will be in
the left lane, and most of them will be doing the speed limit or less,
and the cars in the right lane will be passing them. When making a left
turn onto a four lane road they will head right across to the far right
lane and then usually readjust and move to the left lane, the one they
should have gone to in the first place before moving to the right.

When making a right turn onto a four lane road they will go to the left
lane.

When there is an intersection of two four lane roads and you have two
cars in opposing directions there is confusion no matter which way they
are turning. If N and S bound bars are both turning W, both should be
able to turn at the same time, N going to the nearest (left) lane and S
going to the nearest (right) lane. Nope. Each will be intent on going
to the far lane.

If that were just a two lane road and both were making left turns they
should both be able to go at the same time because they will be going in
opposite directions. For some reason, it turns into a Mexican standoff
with neither of them comfortable turning.

Those middle of the road turn lanes are a wonder to behold. They don't
seem to realize that the idea is to get into that centre lane ahead of
time. What most of them to is stay in the left traffic lane until they
get to their turn and then cut across at 90 degrees so that the back of
their car is in the left lane and they are stopped across the entire
turn lane.

It seemed really strange to me that they regional government would
choose the city with the worst drivers to get the first traffic circle.


> The notion of installing a traffic control feature that relied on the
> attentiveness and courtesy of American drivers also struck me as ironic.

They work well when people know how to use them and are a disaster where
people don't. I have been to Paris several times and always ended up at
some point at the Arc de Triomphe. There has always been at least one
fender bender there. Denmark, OTOH, has the most cautious and courteous
driver you will ever see. They have a lot of traffic circles and they
work very well. They have so many traffic circles they can get annoying.
When driving a long stretch of road with intersections traffic lights
offer the chance of synchronization, so you can move along and clear
every one on a green light. With the circles you have to slow down and
deal with every one of the them.

On 2020-08-12 10:03 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-08-12 10:52 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 10:34:16 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> It should not be too confusing about which way to go. The problem is
>>> with the understanding or misunderstanding about right of way. Traffic
>>> already in the circle had ROW.Â* As long as everyone understands that,
>>> traffic moves slowly. I was once following a car through the circle and
>>> aÂ* the guy slammed on his brakes because there was a car coming from the
>>> right.Â* That was was required to yield to us, but the guy ahead of me
>>> screwed things up.Â*Â* On the flip side, I was going through one town and
>>> I was making a turn.Â* I was almost all the way around when an oncoming
>>> vehicle just about broadsided me. I don't know what she was thinking.
>>> Even if I was a little further back I was already in the circle and had
>>> ROW.
>>
>> I had to laugh.Â* Ann Arbor has been installing roundabouts.Â* One of
>> them is at a very busy intersection where the senior citizens' recreation
>> center is located.Â* It just seemed mean to me:Â* to inflict that on a
>> bunch
>> of old people who drove for 50-60 years without ever getting any practice
>> or experience navigating a roundabout.
>
> That ranks up there with the first one in this area. It was built in the
> nearby city of Welland, which has the worst drivers I have ever seen.
> They are not particularly fast or aggressive. They don't know what lane
> to drive in.Â* Three quarters of the cars on four lane roads will be in
> the left lane, and most of them will be doing the speed limit or less,
> and the cars in the right lane will be passing them. When making a left
> turn onto a four lane road they will head right across to the far right
> lane and then usually readjust and move to the left lane, the one they
> should have gone to in the first place before moving to the right.
>
> When making a right turn onto a four lane road they will go to the left
> lane.
>
> When there is an intersection of two four lane roads and you have two
> cars in opposing directions there is confusion no matter which way they
> are turning. If N and S bound bars are both turning W, both should be
> able to turn at the same time, N going to the nearest (left) lane and S
> going to the nearest (right) lane.Â* Nope. Each will be intent on going
> to the far lane.
>
> If that were just a two lane road and both were making left turns they
> should both be able to go at the same time because they will be going in
> opposite directions. For some reason, it turns into a Mexican standoff
> with neither of them comfortable turning.
>
> Those middle of the road turn lanes are a wonder to behold.Â* They don't
> seem to realize that the idea is to get into that centre lane ahead of
> time. What most of them to is stay in the left traffic lane until they
> get to their turn and then cut across at 90 degrees so that the back of
> their car is in the left lane and they are stopped across the entire
> turn lane.
>
> It seemed really strange to me that they regional government would
> choose the city with the worst drivers to get the first traffic circle.
>
>
>> The notion of installing a traffic control feature that relied on the
>> attentiveness and courtesy of American drivers also struck me as ironic.
>
> They work well when people know how to use them and are a disaster where
> people don't. I have been to Paris several times and always ended up at
> some point at the Arc de Triomphe.Â* There has always been at least one
> fender bender there.Â* Denmark, OTOH, has the most cautious and courteous
> driver you will ever see.Â* They have a lot of traffic circles and they
> work very well. They have so many traffic circles they can get annoying.
> When driving a long stretch of road with intersections traffic lights
> offer the chance of synchronization, so you can move along and clear
> every one on a green light. With the circles you have to slow down and
> deal with every one of the them.
>
>
They've long been a feature of UK roads but a few years ago they
introduced "double circles" that are very confusing when you first
arrive at one.

On 2020-08-12 8:35 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>
>
> It should not be too confusing about which way to go. The problem is
> with the understanding or misunderstanding about right of way. Traffic
> already in the circle had ROW.Â* As long as everyone understands that,
> traffic moves slowly. I was once following a car through the circle and
> aÂ* the guy slammed on his brakes because there was a car coming from the
> right.Â* That was was required to yield to us, but the guy ahead of me
> screwed things up.Â*Â* On the flip side, I was going through one town and
> I was making a turn.Â* I was almost all the way around when an oncoming
> vehicle just about broadsided me. I don't know what she was thinking.
> Even if I was a little further back I was already in the circle and had
> ROW.
>
>
The city built one a few years ago at the exit to the TsuTina casino not
far from where I live. As I entered it an old guy was trying to go
clockwise, heading for me. He could see where he wanted to be and was
going to take the shortest route. I stopped (no choice) and forced him
to go the right way.

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 12:40:51 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
> On 2020-08-12 8:35 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >
> > It should not be too confusing about which way to go. The problem is
> > with the understanding or misunderstanding about right of way. Traffic
> > already in the circle had ROW.Â* As long as everyone understands that,
> > traffic moves slowly. I was once following a car through the circle and
> > aÂ* the guy slammed on his brakes because there was a car coming from the
> > right.Â* That was was required to yield to us, but the guy ahead of me
> > screwed things up.Â*Â* On the flip side, I was going through one town and
> > I was making a turn.Â* I was almost all the way around when an oncoming
> > vehicle just about broadsided me. I don't know what she was thinking.
> > Even if I was a little further back I was already in the circle and had
> > ROW.
> >
> >
> The city built one a few years ago at the exit to the TsuTina casino not
> far from where I live. As I entered it an old guy was trying to go
> clockwise, heading for me. He could see where he wanted to be and was
> going to take the shortest route. I stopped (no choice) and forced him
> to go the right way.

You win. The worst one I've seen was someone who just stopped in the circle.
I think it was to yield to someone trying to enter.

I wish my SUV had a more authoritative horn. The one on my 1974 Impala
could make college students levitate when I used it.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2020-08-12 12:40 p.m., graham wrote:
> On 2020-08-12 8:35 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>> It should not be too confusing about which way to go. The problem is
>> with the understanding or misunderstanding about right of way. Traffic
>> already in the circle had ROW.Â* As long as everyone understands that,
>> traffic moves slowly. I was once following a car through the circle
>> and aÂ* the guy slammed on his brakes because there was a car coming
>> from the right.Â* That was was required to yield to us, but the guy
>> ahead of me screwed things up.Â*Â* On the flip side, I was going through
>> one town and I was making a turn.Â* I was almost all the way around
>> when an oncoming vehicle just about broadsided me. I don't know what
>> she was thinking. Even if I was a little further back I was already in
>> the circle and had ROW.
>>
>>
> The city built one a few years ago at the exit to the TsuTina casino not
> far from where I live. As I entered it an old guy was trying to go
> clockwise, heading for me. He could see where he wanted to be and was
> going to take the shortest route. I stopped (no choice) and forced him
> to go the right way.



I am all for stopping and blocking them and make them go back and do it
right. People around here have a really dangerous habit of swinging
into incoming lanes and traffic if their lane is blocked. If there is a
vehicle parked part way out on the road, a stopped delivery vehicle or
garbage truck they just swing over to your lane instead of waiting to
make sure it is clear. I was on the motorcycle last week and played
chicken with a pickup truck. There was a garbage truck stopped in his
lane so he assumed he had total access to mine. I guess I was supposed
to squeeze over to the shoulder. I stopped. He stopped and waited for me
to back up. Nope. I moved forward and waited a minute or two for him to
realize he was in the wrong. He backed up.

On 2020-08-12 11:57 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-08-12 12:40 p.m., graham wrote:
>> On 2020-08-12 8:35 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It should not be too confusing about which way to go. The problem is
>>> with the understanding or misunderstanding about right of way.
>>> Traffic already in the circle had ROW.Â* As long as everyone
>>> understands that, traffic moves slowly. I was once following a car
>>> through the circle and aÂ* the guy slammed on his brakes because there
>>> was a car coming from the right.Â* That was was required to yield to
>>> us, but the guy ahead of me screwed things up.Â*Â* On the flip side, I
>>> was going through one town and I was making a turn.Â* I was almost all
>>> the way around when an oncoming vehicle just about broadsided me. I
>>> don't know what she was thinking. Even if I was a little further back
>>> I was already in the circle and had ROW.
>>>
>>>
>> The city built one a few years ago at the exit to the TsuTina casino
>> not far from where I live. As I entered it an old guy was trying to go
>> clockwise, heading for me. He could see where he wanted to be and was
>> going to take the shortest route. I stopped (no choice) and forced him
>> to go the right way.
>
>
>
> I am all for stopping and blocking them and make them go back and do it
> right.Â*Â* People around here have a really dangerous habit of swinging
> into incoming lanes and traffic if their lane is blocked. If there is a
> vehicle parked part way out on the road, a stopped delivery vehicle or
> garbage truck they just swing over to your lane instead of waiting to
> make sure it is clear.Â* I was on the motorcycle last week and played
> chicken with a pickup truck. There was a garbage truck stopped in his
> lane so he assumed he had total access to mine. I guess I was supposed
> to squeeze over to the shoulder. I stopped. He stopped and waited for me
> to back up. Nope. I moved forward and waited a minute or two for him to
> realize he was in the wrong. He backed up.
>
Wearing your colours to scare him were you? :-)

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 6:36:20 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> On 2020-08-12 10:03 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2020-08-12 10:52 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 10:34:16 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >>> It should not be too confusing about which way to go. The problem is
> >>> with the understanding or misunderstanding about right of way. Traffic
> >>> already in the circle had ROW.Â* As long as everyone understands that,
> >>> traffic moves slowly. I was once following a car through the circle and
> >>> aÂ* the guy slammed on his brakes because there was a car coming from the
> >>> right.Â* That was was required to yield to us, but the guy ahead of me
> >>> screwed things up.Â*Â* On the flip side, I was going through one town and
> >>> I was making a turn.Â* I was almost all the way around when an oncoming
> >>> vehicle just about broadsided me. I don't know what she was thinking.
> >>> Even if I was a little further back I was already in the circle and had
> >>> ROW.
> >>
> >> I had to laugh.Â* Ann Arbor has been installing roundabouts.Â* One of
> >> them is at a very busy intersection where the senior citizens' recreation
> >> center is located.Â* It just seemed mean to me:Â* to inflict that on a
> >> bunch
> >> of old people who drove for 50-60 years without ever getting any practice
> >> or experience navigating a roundabout.
> >
> > That ranks up there with the first one in this area. It was built in the
> > nearby city of Welland, which has the worst drivers I have ever seen.
> > They are not particularly fast or aggressive. They don't know what lane
> > to drive in.Â* Three quarters of the cars on four lane roads will be in
> > the left lane, and most of them will be doing the speed limit or less,
> > and the cars in the right lane will be passing them. When making a left
> > turn onto a four lane road they will head right across to the far right
> > lane and then usually readjust and move to the left lane, the one they
> > should have gone to in the first place before moving to the right.
> >
> > When making a right turn onto a four lane road they will go to the left
> > lane.
> >
> > When there is an intersection of two four lane roads and you have two
> > cars in opposing directions there is confusion no matter which way they
> > are turning. If N and S bound bars are both turning W, both should be
> > able to turn at the same time, N going to the nearest (left) lane and S
> > going to the nearest (right) lane.Â* Nope. Each will be intent on going
> > to the far lane.
> >
> > If that were just a two lane road and both were making left turns they
> > should both be able to go at the same time because they will be going in
> > opposite directions. For some reason, it turns into a Mexican standoff
> > with neither of them comfortable turning.
> >
> > Those middle of the road turn lanes are a wonder to behold.Â* They don't
> > seem to realize that the idea is to get into that centre lane ahead of
> > time. What most of them to is stay in the left traffic lane until they
> > get to their turn and then cut across at 90 degrees so that the back of
> > their car is in the left lane and they are stopped across the entire
> > turn lane.
> >
> > It seemed really strange to me that they regional government would
> > choose the city with the worst drivers to get the first traffic circle.
> >
> >
> >> The notion of installing a traffic control feature that relied on the
> >> attentiveness and courtesy of American drivers also struck me as ironic.
> >
> > They work well when people know how to use them and are a disaster where
> > people don't. I have been to Paris several times and always ended up at
> > some point at the Arc de Triomphe.Â* There has always been at least one
> > fender bender there.Â* Denmark, OTOH, has the most cautious and courteous
> > driver you will ever see.Â* They have a lot of traffic circles and they
> > work very well. They have so many traffic circles they can get annoying..
> > When driving a long stretch of road with intersections traffic lights
> > offer the chance of synchronization, so you can move along and clear
> > every one on a green light. With the circles you have to slow down and
> > deal with every one of the them.
> >
> >
> They've long been a feature of UK roads but a few years ago they
> introduced "double circles" that are very confusing when you first
> arrive at one.

Those double circle roundabouts work pretty spiffy - but you have to know about how they work before getting on one. Well, unless you're an American in the UK. In that case, you just get on one and find out the subtleties of these Brit traffic flow control thingies "on the job", so to speak.

We have some roundabouts in our little town. Yay! Unfortunately, they were designed by people that don't know what they're doing and used by people that don't know how they work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOdU1EE-ves

On 2020-08-12 2:19 p.m., graham wrote:
> On 2020-08-12 11:57 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-08-12 12:40 p.m., graham wrote:

>> I am all for stopping and blocking them and make them go back and do
>> it right.Â*Â* People around here have a really dangerous habit of
>> swinging into incoming lanes and traffic if their lane is blocked. If
>> there is a vehicle parked part way out on the road, a stopped delivery
>> vehicle or garbage truck they just swing over to your lane instead of
>> waiting to make sure it is clear.Â* I was on the motorcycle last week
>> and played chicken with a pickup truck. There was a garbage truck
>> stopped in his lane so he assumed he had total access to mine. I guess
>> I was supposed to squeeze over to the shoulder. I stopped. He stopped
>> and waited for me to back up. Nope. I moved forward and waited a
>> minute or two for him to realize he was in the wrong. He backed up.
>>
> Wearing your colours to scare him were you? :-)

I don't need no stinking colours. I am big enough to get away with
stuff like that.