I gave up on my Dyson V10. It's the only vacuum I have ever had that
needed constant maintenance. I had cleaned the filter a couple weeks
ago and it took a day and a half to dry out enough to be used. The
manual said it should take 24 hours. On Tuesday it clogged up again. It
should have been ready to use by Wednesday afternoon. It wasn't. Now was
it ready Thursday. On Friday I tried it and it was kicking out. I took
the head out to the shed, charged up the air compressor and blew out
everything. It still wouldn't work, so I called Dyson. They are going
to send me a new one, but it might take a while. I won't feel guilty
about the fact that it actually worked this morning..... five days to
dry the filter.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 22:25:28 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>I gave up on my Dyson V10. It's the only vacuum I have ever had that
>needed constant maintenance. I had cleaned the filter a couple weeks
>ago and it took a day and a half to dry out enough to be used. The
>manual said it should take 24 hours.

LOL Sue the *******s!

>On Tuesday it clogged up again.

Nooo!

>It should have been ready to use by Wednesday afternoon. It wasn't.

Whaaaaat?

>Now was
>it ready Thursday. On Friday I tried it and it was kicking out. I took
>the head out to the shed, charged up the air compressor and blew out
>everything. It still wouldn't work, so I called Dyson. They are going
>to send me a new one, but it might take a while. I won't feel guilty
>about the fact that it actually worked this morning..... five days to
>dry the filter.

Five days! Nooooo! Say it ain't so, Dave!

Dave, have you been very bored since you retired?

On 4/14/2019 10:25 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I gave up on my Dyson V10. It's the only vacuum I have ever had that
> needed constant maintenance.Â*Â* I had cleaned the filter a couple weeks
> ago and it took a day and a half to dry out enough to be used. The
> manual said it should take 24 hours. On Tuesday it clogged up again. It
> should have been ready to use by Wednesday afternoon. It wasn't. Now was
> it ready Thursday. On Friday I tried it and it was kicking out. I took
> the head out to the shed, charged up the air compressor and blew out
> everything.Â*Â* It still wouldn't work, so I called Dyson. They are going
> to send me a new one, but it might take a while.Â* I won't feel guilty
> about the fact that it actually worked this morning..... five days to
> dry the filter.

I won't be buying a Dyson. Never had a vac that was not ready to use
seconds after cleaning or replacing a filter.

If something spills I have a $30 portable to clean it up. Regular
vacuuming is done by the cleaning lady. The regular vac has not been
touched for a long time.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 23:18:33 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:


>I won't be buying a Dyson. Never had a vac that was not ready to use
>seconds after cleaning or replacing a filter.
>
>If something spills I have a $30 portable to clean it up. Regular
>vacuuming is done by the cleaning lady. The regular vac has not been
>touched for a long time.

Whatever happened to simple, decent vacuum cleaners that just worked,
and worked well for a long time? Most all the newer ones have gimmicky
technology and seem problematic and unreliable.

I bought my Wertheim vacuum cleaner back in 2000 - very powerful and
with a simple bag system. Still works perfectly - and I bought mine
refurbished, I have no idea of it's true age. It's been used on
average twice a week over the years I've owned it. The bristles on the
floor attachment wore down to the point where they needed replacing
about two years ago, but that's reasonable wear and tear of course.

On 2019-04-14 11:18 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/14/2019 10:25 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> I gave up on my Dyson V10. It's the only vacuum I have ever had that
>> needed constant maintenance.Â*Â* I had cleaned the filter a couple weeks
>> ago and it took a day and a half to dry out enough to be used. The
>> manual said it should take 24 hours. On Tuesday it clogged up again.
>> It should have been ready to use by Wednesday afternoon. It wasn't.
>> Now was it ready Thursday. On Friday I tried it and it was kicking
>> out. I took the head out to the shed, charged up the air compressor
>> and blew out everything.Â*Â* It still wouldn't work, so I called Dyson.
>> They are going to send me a new one, but it might take a while.Â* I
>> won't feel guilty about the fact that it actually worked this
>> morning..... five days to dry the filter.
>
> I won't be buying a Dyson.Â* Never had a vac that was not ready to use
> seconds after cleaning or replacing a filter.
>
> If something spills I have a $30 portable to clean it up.Â* Regular
> vacuuming is done by the cleaning lady.Â* The regular vac has not been
> touched for a long time.

Fortunately, we have a central vac. It is hassle to have to drag out
that extra long hose and have that trailing around, but I only have to
empty the canister about once every month or two. This Dyson, supposedly
designed for cleaning up dog hair, has to be emptied about every 5
minutes of vacuuming, and I am lucky to make it through the house
without a more serious clogging issue. And then there is that filter
that needs such frequent cleaning.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 22:25:28 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> I gave up on my Dyson V10. It's the only vacuum I have ever had that
> needed constant maintenance. I had cleaned the filter a couple weeks
> ago and it took a day and a half to dry out enough to be used. The
> manual said it should take 24 hours. On Tuesday it clogged up again. It
> should have been ready to use by Wednesday afternoon. It wasn't. Now was
> it ready Thursday. On Friday I tried it and it was kicking out. I took
> the head out to the shed, charged up the air compressor and blew out
> everything. It still wouldn't work, so I called Dyson. They are going
> to send me a new one, but it might take a while. I won't feel guilty
> about the fact that it actually worked this morning..... five days to
> dry the filter.

You know about humidity and air circulation and all that sciency
stuff, right?

On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 23:18:33 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> I won't be buying a Dyson. Never had a vac that was not ready to use
> seconds after cleaning or replacing a filter.
>
> If something spills I have a $30 portable to clean it up. Regular
> vacuuming is done by the cleaning lady. The regular vac has not been
> touched for a long time.

Dave's is a $500 portable.

I don't know why all his household appliances are always a topic for
rec.food.cooking. He's 4X as mindless and boring as John Kuthe.

-sw

On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 10:32:23 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 23:18:33 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>
>>I won't be buying a Dyson. Never had a vac that was not ready to use
>>seconds after cleaning or replacing a filter.
>>
>>If something spills I have a $30 portable to clean it up. Regular
>>vacuuming is done by the cleaning lady. The regular vac has not been
>>touched for a long time.
>
>Whatever happened to simple, decent vacuum cleaners that just worked,
>and worked well for a long time? Most all the newer ones have gimmicky
>technology and seem problematic and unreliable.
>
>I bought my Wertheim vacuum cleaner back in 2000 - very powerful and
>with a simple bag system. Still works perfectly - and I bought mine
>refurbished, I have no idea of it's true age. It's been used on
>average twice a week over the years I've owned it. The bristles on the
>floor attachment wore down to the point where they needed replacing
>about two years ago, but that's reasonable wear and tear of course.

You're both listening to what Smith says - I have a V10 Dyson and love
it. I have cleaned the filter once in several months and as I pointed
out to Dave, at the time, it dried in about an hour because after I
rinsed it, I stuffed some paper towel into the cavity. I use it more
and more and the regular vacuum less and less.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 22:25:28 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>I gave up on my Dyson V10. It's the only vacuum I have ever had that
>needed constant maintenance. I had cleaned the filter a couple weeks
>ago and it took a day and a half to dry out enough to be used. The
>manual said it should take 24 hours. On Tuesday it clogged up again. It
>should have been ready to use by Wednesday afternoon. It wasn't. Now was
>it ready Thursday. On Friday I tried it and it was kicking out. I took
>the head out to the shed, charged up the air compressor and blew out
>everything. It still wouldn't work, so I called Dyson. They are going
>to send me a new one, but it might take a while. I won't feel guilty
>about the fact that it actually worked this morning..... five days to
>dry the filter.


At ~$500 that Dyson V 10 is quite pricey for what it is. We paid $600
for a full sized corded Dyson, "The Animal", the model with the ball,
very powerful, sucks up cat hair amazingly well, never clogs. the dirt
canister is clear so it's easy to see the dirt level.... I'll estimate
the cannister capacity is about a gallon. We purchased it direct from
Dyson and they included just about every attachment, some we've never
used.

After washing we press the filter in a bath towel and then it takes
less than a day to dry, but it only needs washing 2-3 times a year...
still we bought a second filter so we don't need to wait for any
drying. It's a great vacuum but sometimes that cord can be a pain
plus the unit is indeed heavy.

We also have two large wet & dry shop vacs, one in the basement. one
in the garden shed. We also have a Black & Decker Dustbuster, it's
good for quick pick-ups but its charge only lasts about five minutes
and it's not very powerful. So a couple weeks ago we ordered this
cordless and it's terrific plus the price was right ($100). It's very
light weight and quite powerful, a charge lasts a good 20 minutes, its
cannister holds about 1 quart... also comes apart to serve as a
hand-held. It can't take the place of a full size Dyson but is more
than adequate for smaller jobs:
https://www.amazon.com/Deik-Cordless...s%2C177&sr=8-7
That Dyson V10 must have a tiny dirt cannister or your house is gross.

On 2019-04-15 7:21 a.m., wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 10:32:23 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:

>> Whatever happened to simple, decent vacuum cleaners that just worked,
>> and worked well for a long time? Most all the newer ones have gimmicky
>> technology and seem problematic and unreliable.
>>
>> I bought my Wertheim vacuum cleaner back in 2000 - very powerful and
>> with a simple bag system. Still works perfectly - and I bought mine
>> refurbished, I have no idea of it's true age. It's been used on
>> average twice a week over the years I've owned it. The bristles on the
>> floor attachment wore down to the point where they needed replacing
>> about two years ago, but that's reasonable wear and tear of course.
>
> You're both listening to what Smith says - I have a V10 Dyson and love
> it. I have cleaned the filter once in several months and as I pointed
> out to Dave, at the time, it dried in about an hour because after I
> rinsed it, I stuffed some paper towel into the cavity. I use it more
> and more and the regular vacuum less and less.
>

I must have got a lemon with a known problem because they are sending me
a new one. I am a pretty handy guy and can usually cope with mechanical
problems. It is constantly clogging up somewhere. It can be the power
head, the vent inside the canister, or the filter. The instructions say
to rinse out the filter and let it dry for 24 hours. After 24 hours and
still not working, I thought something was wrong, but after another 12
hours it was working, so 36 hours rather than 24. Okay... Last week I
had to wash the filter or Tuesday. Thursday, 48 hours later, it was
still not working at all. On Friday it would start but started pulsing
almost immediately and then cut out. I took it out to the shed and used
the air compressor to blow out dust from the unit and the filter. It
should have dried the filter. Yesterday, five days after washing the
filter, it worked fine.


I know there is a lot of dust and dog hair. That was why I got the V10.
It claimed to have been designed for that exact job.

I like the ease of use. It is light and maneuverable. I like that it
does a good job.... when it is working. I don't like that it takes so
much maintenance and that I seem to only be able to use it once or twice
a week.

Apparently Dyson is aware of a problem because they are sending me a
replacement.

On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 10:40:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2019-04-15 7:21 a.m., wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 10:32:23 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>> Whatever happened to simple, decent vacuum cleaners that just worked,
>>> and worked well for a long time? Most all the newer ones have gimmicky
>>> technology and seem problematic and unreliable.
>>>
>>> I bought my Wertheim vacuum cleaner back in 2000 - very powerful and
>>> with a simple bag system. Still works perfectly - and I bought mine
>>> refurbished, I have no idea of it's true age. It's been used on
>>> average twice a week over the years I've owned it. The bristles on the
>>> floor attachment wore down to the point where they needed replacing
>>> about two years ago, but that's reasonable wear and tear of course.
>>
>> You're both listening to what Smith says - I have a V10 Dyson and love
>> it. I have cleaned the filter once in several months and as I pointed
>> out to Dave, at the time, it dried in about an hour because after I
>> rinsed it, I stuffed some paper towel into the cavity. I use it more
>> and more and the regular vacuum less and less.
>>
>
>I must have got a lemon with a known problem because they are sending me
>a new one. I am a pretty handy guy and can usually cope with mechanical
>problems. It is constantly clogging up somewhere. It can be the power
>head, the vent inside the canister, or the filter. The instructions say
>to rinse out the filter and let it dry for 24 hours. After 24 hours and
>still not working, I thought something was wrong, but after another 12
>hours it was working, so 36 hours rather than 24. Okay... Last week I
>had to wash the filter or Tuesday. Thursday, 48 hours later, it was
>still not working at all. On Friday it would start but started pulsing
>almost immediately and then cut out. I took it out to the shed and used
>the air compressor to blow out dust from the unit and the filter. It
>should have dried the filter. Yesterday, five days after washing the
>filter, it worked fine.
>
>
>I know there is a lot of dust and dog hair. That was why I got the V10.
>It claimed to have been designed for that exact job.
>
>I like the ease of use. It is light and maneuverable. I like that it
>does a good job.... when it is working. I don't like that it takes so
>much maintenance and that I seem to only be able to use it once or twice
>a week.
>
>Apparently Dyson is aware of a problem because they are sending me a
>replacement.

What size is the dirt cannister? If less than a quart it will clog
easily with fur from multiple or large animals... probably okay for
one short hair cat or one small dog (no more than 15 lbs). I've
noticed that with many vacs with a dirt cannister the initial animal
fur tends to compress as a mass and greatly reduces air flow until it
stops working at about 1/3 full... I doubt that unit is adequate for
your use. My B&D Dustbuster is not good with animal hair but works
well with particals like bread crumbs. Animal hair is oily and tends
to mat into a felt like substance. I only looked pictures of that
V10, it doesn't look large enough for animal hair, only it's price is
large.... it's also important to give pets a through daily brushing,
if not you're headed for vacuum problems.... dogs that like water,
like Labs, have very oily fur, so difficult with any vacuum.

On 2019-04-15 11:48 a.m., wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 10:40:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2019-04-15 7:21 a.m., wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 10:32:23 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>> Whatever happened to simple, decent vacuum cleaners that just worked,
>>>> and worked well for a long time? Most all the newer ones have gimmicky
>>>> technology and seem problematic and unreliable.
>>>>
>>>> I bought my Wertheim vacuum cleaner back in 2000 - very powerful and
>>>> with a simple bag system. Still works perfectly - and I bought mine
>>>> refurbished, I have no idea of it's true age. It's been used on
>>>> average twice a week over the years I've owned it. The bristles on the
>>>> floor attachment wore down to the point where they needed replacing
>>>> about two years ago, but that's reasonable wear and tear of course.
>>>
>>> You're both listening to what Smith says - I have a V10 Dyson and love
>>> it. I have cleaned the filter once in several months and as I pointed
>>> out to Dave, at the time, it dried in about an hour because after I
>>> rinsed it, I stuffed some paper towel into the cavity. I use it more
>>> and more and the regular vacuum less and less.
>>>
>>
>> I must have got a lemon with a known problem because they are sending me
>> a new one. I am a pretty handy guy and can usually cope with mechanical
>> problems. It is constantly clogging up somewhere. It can be the power
>> head, the vent inside the canister, or the filter. The instructions say
>> to rinse out the filter and let it dry for 24 hours. After 24 hours and
>> still not working, I thought something was wrong, but after another 12
>> hours it was working, so 36 hours rather than 24. Okay... Last week I
>> had to wash the filter or Tuesday. Thursday, 48 hours later, it was
>> still not working at all. On Friday it would start but started pulsing
>> almost immediately and then cut out. I took it out to the shed and used
>> the air compressor to blow out dust from the unit and the filter. It
>> should have dried the filter. Yesterday, five days after washing the
>> filter, it worked fine.
>>
>>
>> I know there is a lot of dust and dog hair. That was why I got the V10.
>> It claimed to have been designed for that exact job.
>>
>> I like the ease of use. It is light and maneuverable. I like that it
>> does a good job.... when it is working. I don't like that it takes so
>> much maintenance and that I seem to only be able to use it once or twice
>> a week.
>>
>> Apparently Dyson is aware of a problem because they are sending me a
>> replacement.
>
> What size is the dirt cannister? If less than a quart it will clog
> easily with fur from multiple or large animals... probably okay for
> one short hair cat or one small dog (no more than 15 lbs).

It's not much more than a quart. If I am doing the living room and
family room I can count on having to empty it twice.



I've
> noticed that with many vacs with a dirt cannister the initial animal
> fur tends to compress as a mass and greatly reduces air flow until it
> stops working at about 1/3 full... I doubt that unit is adequate for
> your use.

Yet, I bought it because it was specifically sold as the answer to pet fur.

On 2019-04-15 2:21 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-04-15 11:48 a.m., wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 10:40:40 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2019-04-15 7:21 a.m., wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 10:32:23 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Whatever happened to simple, decent vacuum cleaners that just worked,
>>>>> and worked well for a long time? Most all the newer ones have gimmicky
>>>>> technology and seem problematic and unreliable.
>>>>>
>>>>> I bought my Wertheim vacuum cleaner back in 2000 - very powerful and
>>>>> with a simple bag system. Still works perfectly - and I bought mine
>>>>> refurbished, I have no idea of it's true age.Â* It's been used on
>>>>> average twice a week over the years I've owned it. The bristles on the
>>>>> floor attachment wore down to the point where they needed replacing
>>>>> about two years ago, but that's reasonable wear and tear of course.
>>>>
>>>> You're both listening to what Smith says - I have a V10 Dyson and love
>>>> it.Â* I have cleaned the filter once in several months and as I pointed
>>>> out to Dave, at the time, it dried in about an hour because after I
>>>> rinsed it, I stuffed some paper towel into the cavity.Â*Â* I use it more
>>>> and more and the regular vacuum less and less.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I must have got a lemon with a known problem because they are sending me
>>> a new one. I am a pretty handy guy and can usually cope with mechanical
>>> problems. It is constantly clogging up somewhere. It can be the power
>>> head, the vent inside the canister, or the filter.Â* The instructions say
>>> to rinse out the filter and let it dry for 24 hours. After 24 hours and
>>> still not working, I thought something was wrong, but after another 12
>>> hours it was working, so 36 hours rather than 24. Okay...Â* Last week I
>>> had to wash the filter or Tuesday. Thursday, 48 hours later, it was
>>> still not working at all. On Friday it would start but started pulsing
>>> almost immediately and then cut out.Â* I took it out to the shed and used
>>> the air compressor to blow out dust from the unit and the filter. It
>>> should have dried the filter.Â* Yesterday, five days after washing the
>>> filter, it worked fine.
>>>
>>>
>>> I know there is a lot of dust and dog hair.Â* That was why I got the V10.
>>> It claimed to have been designed for that exact job.
>>>
>>> I like the ease of use. It is light and maneuverable. I like that it
>>> does a good job.... when it is working. I don't like that it takes so
>>> much maintenance and that I seem to only be able to use it once or twice
>>> a week.
>>>
>>> Apparently Dyson is aware of a problem because they are sending me a
>>> replacement.
>>
>> What size is the dirt cannister?Â* If less than a quart it will clog
>> easily with fur from multiple or large animals... probably okay for
>> one short hair cat or one small dog (no more than 15 lbs).
>
> It's not much more than a quart. If I am doing the living room and
> family room I can count on having to empty it twice.
>
Christ! A friend's visiting dog managed to clog up the filter on my
central vac. Perhaps you should limit the hounds' access instead!

On 2019-04-15 5:12 p.m., graham wrote:

>> It's not much more than a quart. If I am doing the living room and
>> family room I can count on having to empty it twice.
>>
> Christ! A friend's visiting dog managed to clog up the filter on my
> central vac. Perhaps you should limit the hounds' access instead!

I have had a central vac for more than 20 years. It hangs down inside
the canister and has never clogged, even when the canister has been
packed with crap.

The issue with the Dyson seems to be the water. Another other filter
would work fine with a little dampness but these things have to be bone
dry. My machine would not work at all after the prescribed 24 hours
drying time. After four days it pulsed, starting up and cutting out
within about a second and then stopping completely. It finally worked on
Sunday..... 5 days to dry.

On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 10:19:15 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-04-15 11:48 a.m., wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 10:40:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2019-04-15 7:21 a.m., wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 10:32:23 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Whatever happened to simple, decent vacuum cleaners that just worked,
> >>>> and worked well for a long time? Most all the newer ones have gimmicky
> >>>> technology and seem problematic and unreliable.
> >>>>
> >>>> I bought my Wertheim vacuum cleaner back in 2000 - very powerful and
> >>>> with a simple bag system. Still works perfectly - and I bought mine
> >>>> refurbished, I have no idea of it's true age. It's been used on
> >>>> average twice a week over the years I've owned it. The bristles on the
> >>>> floor attachment wore down to the point where they needed replacing
> >>>> about two years ago, but that's reasonable wear and tear of course.
> >>>
> >>> You're both listening to what Smith says - I have a V10 Dyson and love
> >>> it. I have cleaned the filter once in several months and as I pointed
> >>> out to Dave, at the time, it dried in about an hour because after I
> >>> rinsed it, I stuffed some paper towel into the cavity. I use it more
> >>> and more and the regular vacuum less and less.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I must have got a lemon with a known problem because they are sending me
> >> a new one. I am a pretty handy guy and can usually cope with mechanical
> >> problems. It is constantly clogging up somewhere. It can be the power
> >> head, the vent inside the canister, or the filter. The instructions say
> >> to rinse out the filter and let it dry for 24 hours. After 24 hours and
> >> still not working, I thought something was wrong, but after another 12
> >> hours it was working, so 36 hours rather than 24. Okay... Last week I
> >> had to wash the filter or Tuesday. Thursday, 48 hours later, it was
> >> still not working at all. On Friday it would start but started pulsing
> >> almost immediately and then cut out. I took it out to the shed and used
> >> the air compressor to blow out dust from the unit and the filter. It
> >> should have dried the filter. Yesterday, five days after washing the
> >> filter, it worked fine.
> >>
> >>
> >> I know there is a lot of dust and dog hair. That was why I got the V10.

dsi1, I,have seen commercials for some kinda vacuum that brags that thread and hair will
NOT wind itself around the roller because the roller is self-cleaning. I don't know
the brand, or the veracity of that claim.

N.

On 2019-04-15 8:17 p.m., Nancy2 wrote:
> dsi1, I,have seen commercials for some kinda vacuum that brags that thread and hair will
> NOT wind itself around the roller because the roller is self-cleaning. I don't know
> the brand, or the veracity of that claim.
>
> N.
>

It was just on a minute ago.... Shark.

Dave Smith wrote:
> Apparently Dyson is aware of a problem because they are sending me a
> replacement.

Based on your stories, I would suggest that once you get the
brand new replacement, just sell it as brand new on Craigslist at
a good discount then go buy yourself a decent Hoover for much
less.

On 2019-04-16 9:40 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> Apparently Dyson is aware of a problem because they are sending me a
>> replacement.
>
> Based on your stories, I would suggest that once you get the
> brand new replacement, just sell it as brand new on Craigslist at
> a good discount then go buy yourself a decent Hoover for much
> less.
>


Good idea. My son did that with a handgun. He had had it a few months
and put maybe 500 rounds through it and the trigger mechanism screwed
up. Then replaced the bottom half of the gun and shipped it back to him.
Another 500 rounds and it screwed up again. He sent it back and they
sent him a new gun. He sold that and got almost what he had paid for it
new.

On 2019-04-16 8:12 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-04-16 9:40 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> Apparently Dyson is aware of a problem because they are sending me a
>>> replacement.
>>
>> Based on your stories, I would suggest that once you get the
>> brand new replacement, just sell it as brand new on Craigslist at
>> a good discount then go buy yourself a decent Hoover for much
>> less.
>>
>
>
> Good idea. My son did that with a handgun. He had had it a few months
> and put maybe 500 rounds through it and the trigger mechanism screwed
> up. Then replaced the bottom half of the gun and shipped it back to him.
> Another 500 rounds and it screwed up again. He sent it back and they
> sent him a new gun. He sold that and got almost what he had paid for it
> new.

Why the **** did he need a handgun?

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-4, graham wrote:
> On 2019-04-16 8:12 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2019-04-16 9:40 a.m., Gary wrote:
> >> Dave Smith wrote:
> >>> Apparently Dyson is aware of a problem because they are sending me a
> >>> replacement.
> >>
> >> Based on your stories, I would suggest that once you get the
> >> brand new replacement, just sell it as brand new on Craigslist at
> >> a good discount then go buy yourself a decent Hoover for much
> >> less.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Good idea. My son did that with a handgun. He had had it a few months
> > and put maybe 500 rounds through it and the trigger mechanism screwed
> > up. Then replaced the bottom half of the gun and shipped it back to him.
> > Another 500 rounds and it screwed up again. He sent it back and they
> > sent him a new gun. He sold that and got almost what he had paid for it
> > new.
>
> Why the **** did he need a handgun?

For target shooting, perhaps?

Cindy Hamilton

On 2019-04-16 9:03 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-4, graham wrote:
>> On 2019-04-16 8:12 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2019-04-16 9:40 a.m., Gary wrote:
>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> Apparently Dyson is aware of a problem because they are sending me a
>>>>> replacement.
>>>>
>>>> Based on your stories, I would suggest that once you get the
>>>> brand new replacement, just sell it as brand new on Craigslist at
>>>> a good discount then go buy yourself a decent Hoover for much
>>>> less.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good idea. My son did that with a handgun. He had had it a few months
>>> and put maybe 500 rounds through it and the trigger mechanism screwed
>>> up. Then replaced the bottom half of the gun and shipped it back to him.
>>> Another 500 rounds and it screwed up again. He sent it back and they
>>> sent him a new gun. He sold that and got almost what he had paid for it
>>> new.
>>
>> Why the **** did he need a handgun?
>
> For target shooting, perhaps?
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Only necessary in Canada if you are a cop!

graham wrote:
>
> On 2019-04-16 8:12 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> > Good idea. My son did that with a handgun. He had had it a few months
> > and put maybe 500 rounds through it and the trigger mechanism screwed
> > up. Then replaced the bottom half of the gun and shipped it back to him.
> > Another 500 rounds and it screwed up again. He sent it back and they
> > sent him a new gun. He sold that and got almost what he had paid for it
> > new.
>
> Why the **** did he need a handgun?

Fun to shoot guns, Graham. Handguns are not always about "bad
guys" using them for criminal activities or even for protection.
Fun to shoot. I would buy one but nowhere nearby to shoot it so
I don't bother. I do miss the occasional shooting of evil guns
though....sometimes. The now banned guns were even more fun to
shoot.

BB guns are still legal though:
http://i49.tinypic.com/dmac1t.jpg ;-D

On 2019-04-16 10:53 a.m., graham wrote:
> On 2019-04-16 8:12 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2019-04-16 9:40 a.m., Gary wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> Apparently Dyson is aware of a problem because they are sending me a
>>>> replacement.
>>>
>>> Based on your stories, I would suggest that once you get the
>>> brand new replacement, just sell it as brand new on Craigslist at
>>> a good discount then go buy yourself a decent Hoover for much
>>> less.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Good idea. My son did that with a handgun. He had had it a few months
>> and put maybe 500 rounds through it and the trigger mechanism screwed
>> up. Then replaced the bottom half of the gun and shipped it back to
>> him. Another 500 rounds and it screwed up again. He sent it back and
>> they sent him a new gun. He sold that and got almost what he had paid
>> for it new.
>
> Why the **** did he need a handgun?

What should it matter to you that he has a handgun to shoot at paper
targets? Lots of people do. Why do people have high end overpowered
sports cars in big cities? They cause more injuries and fatalities than
legally owned handguns.

On 2019-04-16 11:07 a.m., graham wrote:
> On 2019-04-16 9:03 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-4, graham wrote:
>>> On 2019-04-16 8:12 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2019-04-16 9:40 a.m., Gary wrote:
>>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> Apparently Dyson is aware of a problem because they are sending me a
>>>>>> replacement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on your stories, I would suggest that once you get the
>>>>> brand new replacement, just sell it as brand new on Craigslist at
>>>>> a good discount then go buy yourself a decent Hoover for much
>>>>> less.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good idea. My son did that with a handgun. He had had it a few months
>>>> and put maybe 500 rounds through it and the trigger mechanism screwed
>>>> up. Then replaced the bottom half of the gun and shipped it back to
>>>> him.
>>>> Another 500 rounds and it screwed up again. He sent it back and they
>>>> sent him a new gun. He sold that and got almost what he had paid for it
>>>> new.
>>>
>>> Why the **** did he need a handgun?
>>
>> For target shooting, perhaps?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> Only necessary in Canada if you are a cop!

Nonsense. It is a legitimate recreational activity that a lot of people
enjoy in a safe environment.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 11:07:59 AM UTC-4, graham wrote:
> On 2019-04-16 9:03 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-4, graham wrote:
> >> On 2019-04-16 8:12 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> >>> On 2019-04-16 9:40 a.m., Gary wrote:
> >>>> Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>>> Apparently Dyson is aware of a problem because they are sending me a
> >>>>> replacement.
> >>>>
> >>>> Based on your stories, I would suggest that once you get the
> >>>> brand new replacement, just sell it as brand new on Craigslist at
> >>>> a good discount then go buy yourself a decent Hoover for much
> >>>> less.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Good idea. My son did that with a handgun. He had had it a few months
> >>> and put maybe 500 rounds through it and the trigger mechanism screwed
> >>> up. Then replaced the bottom half of the gun and shipped it back to him.
> >>> Another 500 rounds and it screwed up again. He sent it back and they
> >>> sent him a new gun. He sold that and got almost what he had paid for it
> >>> new.
> >>
> >> Why the **** did he need a handgun?
> >
> > For target shooting, perhaps?
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> Only necessary in Canada if you are a cop!

There are lot of things that are not necessary that are nevertheless
good.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 12:02:10 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2019-04-16 11:07 a.m., graham wrote:
>> On 2019-04-16 9:03 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-4, graham wrote:
>>>> On 2019-04-16 8:12 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2019-04-16 9:40 a.m., Gary wrote:
>>>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> Apparently Dyson is aware of a problem because they are sending me a
>>>>>>> replacement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Based on your stories, I would suggest that once you get the
>>>>>> brand new replacement, just sell it as brand new on Craigslist at
>>>>>> a good discount then go buy yourself a decent Hoover for much
>>>>>> less.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good idea. My son did that with a handgun. He had had it a few months
>>>>> and put maybe 500 rounds through it and the trigger mechanism screwed
>>>>> up. Then replaced the bottom half of the gun and shipped it back to
>>>>> him.
>>>>> Another 500 rounds and it screwed up again. He sent it back and they
>>>>> sent him a new gun. He sold that and got almost what he had paid for it
>>>>> new.
>>>>
>>>> Why the **** did he need a handgun?
>>>
>>> For target shooting, perhaps?
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> Only necessary in Canada if you are a cop!
>
>Nonsense. It is a legitimate recreational activity that a lot of people
>enjoy in a safe environment.

I used to enjoy Trap & Skeet shooting and still would only there's no
range nearby. On Lung Guyland there were a choice of ranges, we even
had one where I worked, way out in the woods, we were on 5,000 acres.
I understand thet range is no longer operational, ever since 9/11 they
banned bringing firearms on site.

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 08:53:40 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2019-04-16 8:12 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2019-04-16 9:40 a.m., Gary wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> Apparently Dyson is aware of a problem because they are sending me a
>>>> replacement.
>>>
>>> Based on your stories, I would suggest that once you get the
>>> brand new replacement, just sell it as brand new on Craigslist at
>>> a good discount then go buy yourself a decent Hoover for much
>>> less.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Good idea. My son did that with a handgun. He had had it a few months
>> and put maybe 500 rounds through it and the trigger mechanism screwed
>> up. Then replaced the bottom half of the gun and shipped it back to him.
>> Another 500 rounds and it screwed up again. He sent it back and they
>> sent him a new gun. He sold that and got almost what he had paid for it
>> new.
>
>Why the **** did he need a handgun?

To shoot his father??

On 2019-04-16 12:53 p.m., wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 12:02:10 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>>
>> Nonsense. It is a legitimate recreational activity that a lot of people
>> enjoy in a safe environment.
>
> I used to enjoy Trap & Skeet shooting and still would only there's no
> range nearby. On Lung Guyland there were a choice of ranges, we even
> had one where I worked, way out in the woods, we were on 5,000 acres.
> I understand thet range is no longer operational, ever since 9/11 they
> banned bringing firearms on site.


People who don't shoot have no appreciation for the enjoyment that
others get out of shooting. I trained as a weapons tech in the
reserves, so I find the mechanics and ballistics interesting. I
appreciate the role of concentration, reflexes, hand-eye coordination
and fine motor controls in shooting. I am lucky to have a well managed
shooting range nearby. I can go and shoot trap, handguns, small calibre
and big bore. It is only about 12 minutes from home. I meet people there
who come 100 miles or more for a day of shooting.

FWIW, the range and gun shop are a family business. It was started by a
retiree, and the store was run by his son in law. The son in law died
of a heart attack a few years ago and the owner died of cancer last
year. The widow runs the range and the daughter and grand daughter run
the store. It's probably the busiest gun store in the country.

On 2019-04-16 2:19 p.m., wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 08:53:40 -0600, graham > wrote:

>>> Good idea. My son did that with a handgun. He had had it a few months
>>> and put maybe 500 rounds through it and the trigger mechanism screwed
>>> up. Then replaced the bottom half of the gun and shipped it back to him.
>>> Another 500 rounds and it screwed up again. He sent it back and they
>>> sent him a new gun. He sold that and got almost what he had paid for it
>>> new.
>>
>> Why the **** did he need a handgun?
>
> To shoot his father??


Woe. You really are getting batty these days.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 10:40:46 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-04-16 12:53 p.m., wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 12:02:10 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >>
> >> Nonsense. It is a legitimate recreational activity that a lot of people
> >> enjoy in a safe environment.
> >
> > I used to enjoy Trap & Skeet shooting and still would only there's no
> > range nearby. On Lung Guyland there were a choice of ranges, we even
> > had one where I worked, way out in the woods, we were on 5,000 acres.
> > I understand thet range is no longer operational, ever since 9/11 they
> > banned bringing firearms on site.
>
>
> People who don't shoot have no appreciation for the enjoyment that
> others get out of shooting. I trained as a weapons tech in the
> reserves, so I find the mechanics and ballistics interesting. I
> appreciate the role of concentration, reflexes, hand-eye coordination
> and fine motor controls in shooting. I am lucky to have a well managed
> shooting range nearby. I can go and shoot trap, handguns, small calibre
> and big bore. It is only about 12 minutes from home. I meet people there
> who come 100 miles or more for a day of shooting.
>
> FWIW, the range and gun shop are a family business. It was started by a
> retiree, and the store was run by his son in law. The son in law died
> of a heart attack a few years ago and the owner died of cancer last
> year. The widow runs the range and the daughter and grand daughter run
> the store. It's probably the busiest gun store in the country.

My ex-boss would take me shooting with him. He was a shooter of the Mormon faith. As such, he was a guy that liked to get the job done. He would shoot a 45 S&W and let me use his 357 Colt Python - just a beautiful gun. He would load his own cartridges extra hot and let me shoot mild loads. I would get assaulted by the muzzle blast and sprayed by stuff coming out gas seal off the side. That certainly rattled my cage! OTOH, he was a beautiful shooter. He would shoot holding the revolver with two hands and after the shot, he'd have the gun above his head with is left hand lightly touching his elbow. Real cool.

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 16:42:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2019-04-16 12:53 p.m., wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 12:02:10 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Nonsense. It is a legitimate recreational activity that a lot of people
>>> enjoy in a safe environment.
>>
>> I used to enjoy Trap & Skeet shooting and still would only there's no
>> range nearby. On Lung Guyland there were a choice of ranges, we even
>> had one where I worked, way out in the woods, we were on 5,000 acres.
>> I understand thet range is no longer operational, ever since 9/11 they
>> banned bringing firearms on site.
>
>
>People who don't shoot have no appreciation for the enjoyment that
>others get out of shooting. I trained as a weapons tech in the
>reserves, so I find the mechanics and ballistics interesting. I

Oh BS you just like shooting and killing things huh??

Meat is murder



>appreciate the role of concentration, reflexes, hand-eye coordination
>and fine motor controls in shooting. I am lucky to have a well managed
>shooting range nearby. I can go and shoot trap, handguns, small calibre
>and big bore. It is only about 12 minutes from home. I meet people there
>who come 100 miles or more for a day of shooting.
>
>FWIW, the range and gun shop are a family business. It was started by a
>retiree, and the store was run by his son in law. The son in law died
>of a heart attack a few years ago and the owner died of cancer last
>year. The widow runs the range and the daughter and grand daughter run
>the store. It's probably the busiest gun store in the country.
>
>
>
>
>
>

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 08:21:52 -0300, wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 10:32:23 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 23:18:33 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I won't be buying a Dyson. Never had a vac that was not ready to use
>>>seconds after cleaning or replacing a filter.
>>>
>>>If something spills I have a $30 portable to clean it up. Regular
>>>vacuuming is done by the cleaning lady. The regular vac has not been
>>>touched for a long time.
>>
>>Whatever happened to simple, decent vacuum cleaners that just worked,
>>and worked well for a long time? Most all the newer ones have gimmicky
>>technology and seem problematic and unreliable.
>>
>>I bought my Wertheim vacuum cleaner back in 2000 - very powerful and
>>with a simple bag system. Still works perfectly - and I bought mine
>>refurbished, I have no idea of it's true age. It's been used on
>>average twice a week over the years I've owned it. The bristles on the
>>floor attachment wore down to the point where they needed replacing
>>about two years ago, but that's reasonable wear and tear of course.
>
>You're both listening to what Smith says -

Well, I was responding to his post, so yes. I also mentioned in my
reply that I've come across a lot of similar complaints about modern
brand of vacuum cleaners. The Dyson brand seems to come up the most
IME.


>I have a V10 Dyson and love
>it. I have cleaned the filter once in several months and as I pointed
>out to Dave, at the time, it dried in about an hour because after I
>rinsed it, I stuffed some paper towel into the cavity. I use it more
>and more and the regular vacuum less and less.

Glad you are satisfied with yours.

I think the one I saw advertising no wound up threads/hair, was a Bissell. I know nothing
about them.

But I do know it really bugs me when I find a really long brunette hair from my granddaughter,
or my son's lady friend...and wonder how many of those hairs are messing up my drains. ;-))

N.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 7:33:48 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 16:42:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2019-04-16 12:53 p.m., wrote:
> >> On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 12:02:10 -0400, Dave Smith
> >> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Nonsense. It is a legitimate recreational activity that a lot of people
> >>> enjoy in a safe environment.
> >>
> >> I used to enjoy Trap & Skeet shooting and still would only there's no
> >> range nearby. On Lung Guyland there were a choice of ranges, we even
> >> had one where I worked, way out in the woods, we were on 5,000 acres.
> >> I understand thet range is no longer operational, ever since 9/11 they
> >> banned bringing firearms on site.
> >
> >
> >People who don't shoot have no appreciation for the enjoyment that
> >others get out of shooting. I trained as a weapons tech in the
> >reserves, so I find the mechanics and ballistics interesting. I
>
> Oh BS you just like shooting and killing things huh??
>
> Meat is murder

Thanks. I've got an excess of venison in the freezer. Maybe time
for cheesesteaks.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 20:02:50 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

>I think the one I saw advertising no wound up threads/hair, was a Bissell. I know nothing
>about them.
>
>But I do know it really bugs me when I find a really long brunette hair from my granddaughter,
>or my son's lady friend...and wonder how many of those hairs are messing up my drains. ;-))
>
>N.

The worst thing for messing up drains is those wet 'wipes' - they say
flushable on them and I guess they will go down but if there are
older, ceramic pipes, they can cause havoc when they get caught up on
a rough edge. They unearthed a huge conglomeration of stuff in a
London drain due to those things.

Lucretia, you are correct about the "flushable" wipes. They aren't. My plumber thinks
some entity (a city, perhaps) should absolutely sue the makers.

N.

On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 6:39:43 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 20:02:50 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> > wrote:
>
> >I think the one I saw advertising no wound up threads/hair, was a Bissell. I know nothing
> >about them.
> >
> >But I do know it really bugs me when I find a really long brunette hair from my granddaughter,
> >or my son's lady friend...and wonder how many of those hairs are messing up my drains. ;-))
> >
> >N.
>
> The worst thing for messing up drains is those wet 'wipes' - they say
> flushable on them and I guess they will go down but if there are
> older, ceramic pipes, they can cause havoc when they get caught up on
> a rough edge. They unearthed a huge conglomeration of stuff in a
> London drain due to those things.

It's the PLASTICS in them!! Butt Lotion Softies!

Be a HUMAN! STOP CUTTING DOWN TREES to wipe your butts! Be like bears! Rub your butt ON A TREE!!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and...

Nancy2 wrote:
>
> Lucretia, you are correct about the "flushable" wipes. They aren't. My plumber thinks
> some entity (a city, perhaps) should absolutely sue the makers.

Agreed. Only toilet paper should be flushed. Not even paper
towels.

I did a load of laundry 2 weeks ago and somehow a paper towel got
mixed in. Oh what a mess that was. About a thousand little paper
towel bits all stuck to the clean clothes. Big mistake.

I also have (doing the occasional hand wash in a 5-gallon bucket)
missed something before I poured the soapy water into the toilet.
While pouring, I'd see:
First time: an athletic sock pour out and go right down
2nd time years later: a pair of underpants do the same.

Both times clogged it immediately and required a snake to remove.
Both times I got scolded for doing that. heheh

I don't hand wash items anymore. Live and learn from history.

John Kuthe wrote:
>
> Be a HUMAN! STOP CUTTING DOWN TREES to wipe your butts! Be like bears! Rub your butt ON A TREE!!

Is that what you do each morning, John?