On 2/23/2019 9:13 PM, wrote:
> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 6:59:39 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>
>> I used to snack on salted peanuts in bars. A couple of years ago when I
>> was feeling a bit peckish, I ate some. There was something about the
>> typical PN flavour that I found unattractive and I haven't eaten any
>> since. Perhaps it's age:-(
>>
> As much as I like peanuts and peanut butter I just don't like peanut butter
> cookies *at all.* Baking them just does something to the flavor that I don't
> care for.
>
I don't mind peanut butter cookies but I don't seek them out. My mother
used to make them with crunchy peanut butter. They were better than
just plain peanut butter cookies. I much prefer oatmeal cookies.
Without raisins.

Jill

On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 21:24:06 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/23/2019 9:13 PM, wrote:
>> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 6:59:39 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:
>>>
>>> I used to snack on salted peanuts in bars. A couple of years ago when I
>>> was feeling a bit peckish, I ate some. There was something about the
>>> typical PN flavour that I found unattractive and I haven't eaten any
>>> since. Perhaps it's age:-(
>>>
>> As much as I like peanuts and peanut butter I just don't like peanut butter
>> cookies *at all.* Baking them just does something to the flavor that I don't
>> care for.
>>
>I don't mind peanut butter cookies but I don't seek them out. My mother
>used to make them with crunchy peanut butter. They were better than
>just plain peanut butter cookies. I much prefer oatmeal cookies.
>Without raisins.

Duly noted.

On 2019-02-23 6:24 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/23/2019 5:50 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2019-02-23 5:11 p.m., wrote:
>>> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:47:10 PM UTC-6,
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For instance coffee beans are gluten free, when they are ground at
>>>> a factory that also grinds flavored beans or perhaps they package
>>>> those coffee cakes or perhaps even doughnuts then the coffee will
>>>> be cross contaminated with gluten.
>>>>
>>>> There are usually lots of wheat based flavors that they use of
>>>> which the bits get stuck to the grinders and get mixed in with the
>>>> non flavored beans and the coffee is just crap after that
>>>> point....
>>>>
>>>> You should not ever buy coffee that has been pre ground, besides
>>>> ground coffee only stays fresh for maybe 2-3 days
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Where in the world are you shopping/eating that the same grinders
>>> used for coffee beans is used to make coffee cakes, donuts, or any of
>>> type of pastry????????????Â* Please post pictures!!!!!!!
>>>
>>
>> Oh... I get it.... coffee grinder... coffee cake.Â* Of course the
>> grinder will be contaminated with gluten.Â* What were we thinking?
>>
> That's quite a reach, Dave.
>

Yes, but I think I cracked the code that connected coffee grinders to
coffee cake.

On 2/23/2019 9:10 PM, wrote:
> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 6:50:36 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 16:47:37 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps you're European or not an American. My understanding is that a lot of non-Americans think that peanuts are vile. What I don't understand is how those guys in Europe think that hazel nuts are the bee's knees. You're talking some vile nuts right there...
>>
>> Hazelnuts (filberts?) are rather bland, but great with chocolate imo.
>> Peanut butter's great. Also imo, of course.
>>
> Ooooh, I like hazelnuts, too. Carnation, I think that's the brand, makes a
> hazelnut flavored coffee creamer. I don't care for flavored creamers in my
> coffee but that stuff mixed with a glass of milk is the bee's knees to me!
>
I like to snack on hazelnuts. They usually come in a can of nut mix
which does NOT contain peanuts. Don't ask me why.

I don't use coffee creamers but yes, I think that's the brand. I
remember my mother bought hazelnut coffee creamer. I've never tried
adding it to a glass of milk!

Jill

On 2/23/2019 9:19 PM, wrote:
> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 8:11:43 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 18:10:15 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Ooooh, I like hazelnuts, too. Carnation, I think that's the brand, makes a
>>> hazelnut flavored coffee creamer. I don't care for flavored creamers in my
>>> coffee but that stuff mixed with a glass of milk is the bee's knees to me!
>>
>> I thought they were called filberts in the US.
>>
> That is their name but most everybody just calls them hazelnuts.
>
Funny, I'm from the US and I've never called them filberts. They've
always been hazelnuts.

Jill

On 2019-02-23 6:29 p.m., wrote:
> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 4:34:35 PM UTC-6, wrote:
conveyer to packaging and finally packaged.
>>
>> All of these conveyers are usually going to be shared equipment with
>> gluten laden products hence cross contamination. Also if these
>> products are actually made there then the gluten wheat flour will be
>> in the air, the air ducts, there will be flour dust that has settled
>> all over the entire factory. that means on the conveyers on the
>> packaging machine in and on the grinders.....
>>
>> Did you require further descriptions?
>>
>>
> You are having reading problems and you must live in a weird country that grinds
> coffee beans and then uses that same grinder to make coffee cakes. I've never
> seen a coffee purveyor, grinder, seller, buyer also make coffee cakes or donuts
> in their facilities. Maybe they do where you live but not here. Where is this
> establishment that grinds coffee beans and flour using the same equipment?? As
> I stated before, we need pictures of this place that grinds coffee and flour in
> the same building using the same equipment.
>

It happens here all the time. They grind up the coffee cake and while
it's cooking they grind the coffee.... Hence... gluten contamination.

On 2/23/2019 9:14 PM, wrote:
> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 7:04:31 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> Nutella is living proof that given enough sugar, you can feed anything to a kid. Well, an American kid anyway...
>>
> That stuff is disgusting.
>
I love hazelnuts. I like chocolate (in small amounts). I don't think
I'd like Nutella.

I would probably love a roasted hazelnut butter. I just can't imagine
I'd have much use for it. And it would likely be very expensive. There
certainly are a *lot* of different and very expensive nut butters
available at the grocery store these days. I think I'll stick with
lightly salted natural peanut butter. On saltines or toast.

Jill

On 2019-02-23 7:10 p.m., graham wrote:
> On 2019-02-23 4:21 p.m., jmcquown wrote:

>> I often have PB toast for breakfast. Â* The peanut butter I buy
>> already has salt in it.Â* I buy the store brand natural peanut butter.
>> Two ingredients: peanuts and salt.
>>
>> Jill
> I've never understood the attraction of PB. I think it's vile, but then,
> I don't like peanuts!

I might be biased because I like peanuts. I wasn't crazy about peanut
butter when I was a kid. I discovered much later that it was to be used
as the main attraction, not as a condiment. My mother always used it
sparingly, usually with jam or bananas, and I followed suit. I leaned in
my 20s that it was best when smeared on thick.

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 8:32:32 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2019-02-23 6:24 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >> Oh... I get it.... coffee grinder... coffee cake.Â* Of course the
> >> grinder will be contaminated with gluten.Â* What were we thinking?
> >>
> > That's quite a reach, Dave.
> >
>
> Yes, but I think I cracked the code that connected coffee grinders to
> coffee cake.
>
*GUFFAW*

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 8:33:01 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
>
> I don't use coffee creamers but yes, I think that's the brand. I
> remember my mother bought hazelnut coffee creamer. I've never tried
> adding it to a glass of milk!
>
> Jill
>
If the opportunity ever arises try a juice glass of milk with the coffee
creamer. I know Dollar Tree has the mini bottles of Carnation liquid
creamer and I'll pick one up occasionally for a treat.

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 8:34:45 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2019-02-23 6:29 p.m., wrote:
>
> > Where is this
> > establishment that grinds coffee beans and flour using the same equipment?? As
> > I stated before, we need pictures of this place that grinds coffee and flour in
> > the same building using the same equipment.
> >
>
> It happens here all the time. They grind up the coffee cake and while
> it's cooking they grind the coffee.... Hence... gluten contamination.
>
Bwahahahahahaaaaaa!!!

On 2/23/2019 9:56 PM, wrote:
> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 8:33:01 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>
>> I don't use coffee creamers but yes, I think that's the brand. I
>> remember my mother bought hazelnut coffee creamer. I've never tried
>> adding it to a glass of milk!
>>
>> Jill
>>
> If the opportunity ever arises try a juice glass of milk with the coffee
> creamer. I know Dollar Tree has the mini bottles of Carnation liquid
> creamer and I'll pick one up occasionally for a treat.
>
Oh well, Mom bought the powdered stuff. I checked and it's long gone.

Jill

On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 21:40:48 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/23/2019 9:14 PM, wrote:
>> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 7:04:31 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Nutella is living proof that given enough sugar, you can feed anything to a kid. Well, an American kid anyway...
>>>
>> That stuff is disgusting.
>>
>I love hazelnuts. I like chocolate (in small amounts). I don't think
>I'd like Nutella.
>
>I would probably love a roasted hazelnut butter. I just can't imagine
>I'd have much use for it. And it would likely be very expensive. There
>certainly are a *lot* of different and very expensive nut butters
>available at the grocery store these days. I think I'll stick with
>lightly salted natural peanut butter. On saltines or toast.

Lightly salted.

On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 21:48:40 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2019-02-23 7:10 p.m., graham wrote:
>> On 2019-02-23 4:21 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>
>>> I often have PB toast for breakfast. * The peanut butter I buy
>>> already has salt in it.* I buy the store brand natural peanut butter.
>>> Two ingredients: peanuts and salt.
>>>
>>> Jill
>> I've never understood the attraction of PB. I think it's vile, but then,
>> I don't like peanuts!
>
>I might be biased because I like peanuts. I wasn't crazy about peanut
>butter when I was a kid. I discovered much later that it was to be used
>as the main attraction, not as a condiment. My mother always used it
>sparingly, usually with jam or bananas, and I followed suit. I leaned in
>my 20s that it was best when smeared on thick.

Which year and month was that?

On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 13:38:20 -0600,
wrote:

> Oh great now because you said it first means I was just copying
> you.... fact is dammit I posted my post before I read yours

Wow. He's definitely not wearing that Micro Melt 10 Vanadium Steel
suit of armor.

-sw

On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 13:32:22 -0600,
wrote:

> Who the fuk is preaching? not I... Gluten is bad for you, period.

<crowd roars>

-sw

On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 15:13:40 -0600,
wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:03:22 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>Gluten is not bad for me. It does not cause an autoimmune response. It
>>does not make me feel like shit. It does not sap all of my energy. It
>>does not cause me to have severe dry skin. It does not make my face and
>>scalp peel. It does not make me constipated for weeks.
>>
>>I've been eating gluten all of my life and I don't have any of those
>>symptoms.
>
> Well now..."isn't that special"
> said in the old ladies voice that was being actually made by a male
> playing the role of church lady on SNL

We must be really dumb, huh.

-sw

On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 16:00:24 -0600,
wrote:

> You say that but I mean gluten is bad for you, maybe not you
> personally but maybe your children or grandchildren or great.... thus
> making it bad for you as well

"My logic in undeniable" (said in the of VIKI right before she was
eaten by a bunch of robotic gluten microbes).

Isn't that special.

-sw

On 2/23/2019 8:34 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/23/2019 9:19 PM, wrote:
>> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 8:11:43 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 18:10:15 -0800 (PST), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ooooh, I like hazelnuts, too.Â* Carnation, I think that's the brand,
>>>> makes a
>>>> hazelnut flavored coffee creamer.Â* I don't care for flavored
>>>> creamers in my
>>>> coffee but that stuff mixed with a glass of milk is the bee's knees
>>>> to me!
>>>
>>> I thought they were called filberts in the US.
>>>
>> That is their name but most everybody just calls them hazelnuts.
>>
> Funny, I'm from the US and I've never called them filberts.Â* They've
> always been hazelnuts.
>
> Jill

We called them filberts in Houston when I was a kid in the '60s
(although I believe I knew at the time they were also known as
hazelnuts) but over time they became hazelnuts. I haven't heard them
called or called them filberts myself for many years.

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 6:10:36 PM UTC-10, dejamos wrote:
>
> We called them filberts in Houston when I was a kid in the '60s
> (although I believe I knew at the time they were also known as
> hazelnuts) but over time they became hazelnuts. I haven't heard them
> called or called them filberts myself for many years.

My wife had filbert trees at her home in Virginia. She said that they used to have piles of the nuts in her garage. The used to jump on the piles and play in them. This was 100% all-natural ball pits before there was ball pits.

She called them "filberts" because that's what the Americans called these nuts back in the old days. "Hazelnuts" is the classier, European name, for the unpopular filbert. The move to change the name for marketing purposes is a deliberate and smart one.

On 2019-02-23 11:10 p.m., dejamos wrote:
> On 2/23/2019 8:34 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> Funny, I'm from the US and I've never called them filberts.Â* They've
>> always been hazelnuts.
>>
>> Jill
>
> We called them filberts in Houston when I was a kid in the '60s
> (although I believe I knew at the time they were also known as
> hazelnuts) but over time they became hazelnuts.Â* I haven't heard them
> called or called them filberts myself for many years.

By coincidence, a question asked just a minute ago on Cash Cab was
about the other name for a Filbert.

I was going to say that I have always known they were the same, but then
I reached way far back to my childhood and bags of assorted nuts in the
shell. There were walnuts, pecans, Brazil nuts, and filberts. They
also had chocolate bars with crushed filberts. Somewhere along the way
they started calling them hazel nuts.

On 2/23/2019 11:10 PM, dejamos wrote:
> On 2/23/2019 8:34 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/23/2019 9:19 PM, wrote:
>>> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 8:11:43 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 18:10:15 -0800 (PST), "
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ooooh, I like hazelnuts, too.Â* Carnation, I think that's the brand,
>>>>> makes a
>>>>> hazelnut flavored coffee creamer.Â* I don't care for flavored
>>>>> creamers in my
>>>>> coffee but that stuff mixed with a glass of milk is the bee's knees
>>>>> to me!
>>>>
>>>> I thought they were called filberts in the US.
>>>>
>>> That is their name but most everybody just calls them hazelnuts.
>>>
>> Funny, I'm from the US and I've never called them filberts.Â* They've
>> always been hazelnuts.
>>
>> Jill
>
> We called them filberts in Houston when I was a kid in the '60s
> (although I believe I knew at the time they were also known as
> hazelnuts) but over time they became hazelnuts.Â* I haven't heard them
> called or called them filberts myself for many years.

Well, it comes down to religion. Timely to come up with that today.

https://www.seriouseats.com/2012/08/...-filberts.html

Hazelnuts are a staple in European confections and baked goods, as well
as an ingredient in Fererro's popular Nutella spread. But hazelnuts have
another popular name€”filberts. How did that happen?

The most widely believed story explaining this second name is steeped in
religion. The feast day of St. Philbert, a French saint, falls on August
20th. That also happens to be peak harvest time for hazelnuts, which
traditionally mature in late August. So people started applying the
saint's name to the nuts that were in season on his feast day. Hazelnuts
have even more aliases in the US: some people call them cob nuts, and
still others simply call them hazels.

Oregon grows 98% of hazelnuts produced in the US€”but only a fraction of
the world's supply of hazelnuts are grown here; the vast majority of
hazelnuts are grown in Turkey, Spain, and Italy.

On 2019-02-23 7:19 p.m., wrote:
> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 8:11:43 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 18:10:15 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Ooooh, I like hazelnuts, too. Carnation, I think that's the brand, makes a
>>> hazelnut flavored coffee creamer. I don't care for flavored creamers in my
>>> coffee but that stuff mixed with a glass of milk is the bee's knees to me!
>>
>> I thought they were called filberts in the US.
>>
> That is their name but most everybody just calls them hazelnuts.
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEA-lJ-94gg

On 2019-02-23 9:44 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/23/2019 11:10 PM, dejamos wrote:
>> On 2/23/2019 8:34 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 2/23/2019 9:19 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 8:11:43 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 18:10:15 -0800 (PST), "
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ooooh, I like hazelnuts, too.Â* Carnation, I think that's the
>>>>>> brand, makes a
>>>>>> hazelnut flavored coffee creamer.Â* I don't care for flavored
>>>>>> creamers in my
>>>>>> coffee but that stuff mixed with a glass of milk is the bee's
>>>>>> knees to me!
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought they were called filberts in the US.
>>>>>
>>>> That is their name but most everybody just calls them hazelnuts.
>>>>
>>> Funny, I'm from the US and I've never called them filberts.Â* They've
>>> always been hazelnuts.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> We called them filberts in Houston when I was a kid in the '60s
>> (although I believe I knew at the time they were also known as
>> hazelnuts) but over time they became hazelnuts.Â* I haven't heard them
>> called or called them filberts myself for many years.
>
> Well, it comes down to religion.Â* Timely to come up withÂ* that today.
>
> https://www.seriouseats.com/2012/08/...-filberts.html
>
>
> Hazelnuts are a staple in European confections and baked goods, as well
> as an ingredient in Fererro's popular Nutella spread. But hazelnuts have
> another popular name€”filberts. How did that happen?
>
> The most widely believed story explaining this second name is steeped in
> religion. The feast day of St. Philbert, a French saint, falls on August
> 20th. That also happens to be peak harvest time for hazelnuts, which
> traditionally mature in late August. So people started applying the
> saint's name to the nuts that were in season on his feast day. Hazelnuts
> have even more aliases in the US: some people call them cob nuts, and
> still others simply call them hazels.
>
> Oregon grows 98% of hazelnuts produced in the US€”but only a fraction of
> the world's supply of hazelnuts are grown here; the vast majority of
> hazelnuts are grown in Turkey, Spain, and Italy.

They are sometimes called cob-nuts in the UK. ISTR some sold as Kentish
cob-nuts.

On 2/23/2019 11:44 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/23/2019 11:10 PM, dejamos wrote:
>> On 2/23/2019 8:34 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 2/23/2019 9:19 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 8:11:43 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 18:10:15 -0800 (PST), "
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ooooh, I like hazelnuts, too.Â* Carnation, I think that's the
>>>>>> brand, makes a
>>>>>> hazelnut flavored coffee creamer.Â* I don't care for flavored
>>>>>> creamers in my
>>>>>> coffee but that stuff mixed with a glass of milk is the bee's
>>>>>> knees to me!
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought they were called filberts in the US.
>>>>>
>>>> That is their name but most everybody just calls them hazelnuts.
>>>>
>>> Funny, I'm from the US and I've never called them filberts.Â* They've
>>> always been hazelnuts.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> We called them filberts in Houston when I was a kid in the '60s
>> (although I believe I knew at the time they were also known as
>> hazelnuts) but over time they became hazelnuts.Â* I haven't heard them
>> called or called them filberts myself for many years.
>
> Well, it comes down to religion.Â* Timely to come up withÂ* that today.
>
> https://www.seriouseats.com/2012/08/...-filberts.html
>
>
> Hazelnuts are a staple in European confections and baked goods, as well
> as an ingredient in Fererro's popular Nutella spread. But hazelnuts have
> another popular name€”filberts. How did that happen?
>
> The most widely believed story explaining this second name is steeped in
> religion. The feast day of St. Philbert, a French saint, falls on August
> 20th. That also happens to be peak harvest time for hazelnuts, which
> traditionally mature in late August. So people started applying the
> saint's name to the nuts that were in season on his feast day. Hazelnuts
> have even more aliases in the US: some people call them cob nuts, and
> still others simply call them hazels.
>
> Oregon grows 98% of hazelnuts produced in the US€”but only a fraction of
> the world's supply of hazelnuts are grown here; the vast majority of
> hazelnuts are grown in Turkey, Spain, and Italy.

Thanks for all that information. Does it matter that I don't actually
care what they're called? I like hazelnuts!

Jill

On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 00:31:13 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/23/2019 11:44 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 2/23/2019 11:10 PM, dejamos wrote:
>>> On 2/23/2019 8:34 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 2/23/2019 9:19 PM, wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 8:11:43 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 18:10:15 -0800 (PST), "
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ooooh, I like hazelnuts, too.* Carnation, I think that's the
>>>>>>> brand, makes a
>>>>>>> hazelnut flavored coffee creamer.* I don't care for flavored
>>>>>>> creamers in my
>>>>>>> coffee but that stuff mixed with a glass of milk is the bee's
>>>>>>> knees to me!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought they were called filberts in the US.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That is their name but most everybody just calls them hazelnuts.
>>>>>
>>>> Funny, I'm from the US and I've never called them filberts.* They've
>>>> always been hazelnuts.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> We called them filberts in Houston when I was a kid in the '60s
>>> (although I believe I knew at the time they were also known as
>>> hazelnuts) but over time they became hazelnuts.* I haven't heard them
>>> called or called them filberts myself for many years.
>>
>> Well, it comes down to religion.* Timely to come up with* that today.
>>
>> https://www.seriouseats.com/2012/08/...-filberts.html
>>
>>
>> Hazelnuts are a staple in European confections and baked goods, as well
>> as an ingredient in Fererro's popular Nutella spread. But hazelnuts have
>> another popular name—filberts. How did that happen?
>>
>> The most widely believed story explaining this second name is steeped in
>> religion. The feast day of St. Philbert, a French saint, falls on August
>> 20th. That also happens to be peak harvest time for hazelnuts, which
>> traditionally mature in late August. So people started applying the
>> saint's name to the nuts that were in season on his feast day. Hazelnuts
>> have even more aliases in the US: some people call them cob nuts, and
>> still others simply call them hazels.
>>
>> Oregon grows 98% of hazelnuts produced in the US—but only a fraction of
>> the world's supply of hazelnuts are grown here; the vast majority of
>> hazelnuts are grown in Turkey, Spain, and Italy.
>
>Thanks for all that information. Does it matter that I don't actually
>care what they're called? I like hazelnuts!

"Likes hazelnuts"
"Does not care what they're called"

Ok, got it.

"cshenk" wrote in message
news
wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 14:11:20 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:47:10 PM UTC-6,
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> For instance coffee beans are gluten free, when they are ground at
> a >> factory that also grinds flavored beans or perhaps they package
> those >> coffee cakes or perhaps even doughnuts then the coffee will
> be cross >> contaminated with gluten.
> >>
> >> There are usually lots of wheat based flavors that they use of
> which >> the bits get stuck to the grinders and get mixed in with the
> non >> flavored beans and the coffee is just crap after that point....
> >>
> >> You should not ever buy coffee that has been pre ground, besides
> >> ground coffee only stays fresh for maybe 2-3 days
> >>
> >>
> > Where in the world are you shopping/eating that the same grinders
> > used for coffee beans is used to make coffee cakes, donuts, or any
> > of type of pastry???????????? Please post pictures!!!!!!!
>
>
> Wow seriously? Did you even read what I posted? hmmm... the education
> in this country is for shit.....
>
> I will type this really slow lets see if you get it this time
>
> > > when they are ground at a
> >> factory that also grinds flavored beans or perhaps they package
> those now pay attention to this word closely ^^^ and this one ^^^^
>
> >> coffee cakes or perhaps even doughnuts then the coffee will be
> cross >> contaminated with gluten.
>
> I was not going to go into that much detail because I thought it was
> fully explained.. but I guess I will have to now.....
>
> first let me requote this
> >> There are usually lots of wheat based flavors that they use of
> which >> the bits get stuck to the grinders and get mixed in with the
> non >> flavored beans and the coffee is just crap after that point....
> so you know what I was talking about when mentioning the beans and the
> flavored beans used in grinding....
>
> I guess you just missed it the first time....
>
> but to continue, when beans are ground they go through a lengthy
> process of travel to the grinder, through the grinder, along another
> conveyer to packaging and finally packaged.
>
> All of these conveyers are usually going to be shared equipment with
> gluten laden products hence cross contamination. Also if these
> products are actually made there then the gluten wheat flour will be
> in the air, the air ducts, there will be flour dust that has settled
> all over the entire factory. that means on the conveyers on the
> packaging machine in and on the grinders.....
>
> Did you require further descriptions?

Hi All, looks like we have a new troll and this one is on religion and
frantic about gluten to a level no one without celiac disease needs to
be.

==

He just loves the discussions to be all about HIM! I will give it a miss.

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 18:04:07 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 2019-02-23 5:59 p.m., Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 17:54:21 -0700, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2019-02-23 5:47 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 2:10:58 PM UTC-10, graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've never understood the attraction of PB. I think it's vile, but
>>>>> then,
>>>>> I don't like peanuts!
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you're European or not an American. My understanding is that a
>>>> lot of non-Americans think that peanuts are vile. What I don't
>>>> understand is how those guys in Europe think that hazel nuts are the
>>>> bee's knees. You're talking some vile nuts right there...
>>>>
>>> As it happens, I was born and raised in the UK. I remember as a child,
>>> going with my uncle to gather hazel nuts from woodlands. Perhaps that
>>> explains some of my bias. However, I used to eat peanuts. My dislike of
>>> them appeared a few years ago. Could be age, I suppose, but I always
>>> disliked PB from the moment I first experienced it upon coming to NA.
>>
>> You never had it in the UK?
>>
>It must have been a rare and specialist thing when I was growing up. It
>certainly wasn't in the village grocery stores.

I was practically raised on it (it and cheese) just across the water
from you.

==

D. loves it, but it's not for me

On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 10:50:05 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 21:28 23 Feb 2019, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> On 2019-02-23 2:19 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 9:10:47 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
>>
>>>>>> Personally, I prefer the mined ancient sea salt, now just
>>>>>> called salt. The ocean was much more pure when that salt formed
>>>>>> in ancient and long gone oceans.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not forgetting pink Himalayan salt. Heh!
>>>>
>>>> The Himalayas were not always mountains. The mountains are there
>>>> now because plates of rock were forced up upward, exposing layers
>>>> of rock and minerals that had been buried. Besides, Himalayan salt
>>>> is not from the Himalayas. It is from the Salt range in Punjab.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> The appeal of seasoning your food with fossil salt 600 to 800 million
>>> years old is undeniable. Unfortunately, having to bite down on
>>> crushed rocky material pretty much killed that idea for me.
>>
>>
>> Fossil salt? WTH are on you about Willis?
>
>Who is Willis?

Wow you must be a youngin'



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On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 04:57:15 -0600,
wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 10:50:05 GMT, Pamela >
>wrote:
>
>>On 21:28 23 Feb 2019, Dave Smith > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2019-02-23 2:19 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 9:10:47 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
>>>
>>>>>>> Personally, I prefer the mined ancient sea salt, now just
>>>>>>> called salt. The ocean was much more pure when that salt formed
>>>>>>> in ancient and long gone oceans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not forgetting pink Himalayan salt. Heh!
>>>>>
>>>>> The Himalayas were not always mountains. The mountains are there
>>>>> now because plates of rock were forced up upward, exposing layers
>>>>> of rock and minerals that had been buried. Besides, Himalayan salt
>>>>> is not from the Himalayas. It is from the Salt range in Punjab.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The appeal of seasoning your food with fossil salt 600 to 800 million
>>>> years old is undeniable. Unfortunately, having to bite down on
>>>> crushed rocky material pretty much killed that idea for me.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fossil salt? WTH are on you about Willis?
>>
>>Who is Willis?
>
>Wow you must be a youngin'

About as young as me. Willlis?

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 04:57:15 -0600,
> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 10:50:05 GMT, Pamela >
> >wrote:
> >
> >>On 21:28 23 Feb 2019, Dave Smith > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2019-02-23 2:19 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 9:10:47 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Personally, I prefer the mined ancient sea salt, now just
> >>>>>>> called salt. The ocean was much more pure when that salt formed
> >>>>>>> in ancient and long gone oceans.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Not forgetting pink Himalayan salt. Heh!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Himalayas were not always mountains. The mountains are there
> >>>>> now because plates of rock were forced up upward, exposing layers
> >>>>> of rock and minerals that had been buried. Besides, Himalayan salt
> >>>>> is not from the Himalayas. It is from the Salt range in Punjab.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The appeal of seasoning your food with fossil salt 600 to 800 million
> >>>> years old is undeniable. Unfortunately, having to bite down on
> >>>> crushed rocky material pretty much killed that idea for me.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Fossil salt? WTH are on you about Willis?
> >>
> >>Who is Willis?
> >
> >Wow you must be a youngin'
>
> About as young as me. Willlis?

Referring to a well known phrase on an old sitcom
Copy this below and enter it in to Google
"What you talkin about Willis"

On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 06:12:35 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>"What you talkin about Willis"

It is so amazing how the hypocrites all come out .... Just yesterday
every one and their grandmother was complaining that I was not talking
enough about food...

oh how the mighty have fallen...

--

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In article >,
says...
>
> On 2019-02-23 6:24 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> > On 2/23/2019 5:50 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2019-02-23 5:11 p.m., wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 1:47:10 PM UTC-6,
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> For instance coffee beans are gluten free, when they are ground at
> >>>> a factory that also grinds flavored beans or perhaps they package
> >>>> those coffee cakes or perhaps even doughnuts then the coffee will
> >>>> be cross contaminated with gluten.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are usually lots of wheat based flavors that they use of
> >>>> which the bits get stuck to the grinders and get mixed in with the
> >>>> non flavored beans and the coffee is just crap after that
> >>>> point....
> >>>>
> >>>> You should not ever buy coffee that has been pre ground, besides
> >>>> ground coffee only stays fresh for maybe 2-3 days
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Where in the world are you shopping/eating that the same grinders
> >>> used for coffee beans is used to make coffee cakes, donuts, or any of
> >>> type of pastry????????????* Please post pictures!!!!!!!
> >>>
> >>
> >> Oh... I get it.... coffee grinder... coffee cake.* Of course the
> >> grinder will be contaminated with gluten.* What were we thinking?
> >>
> > That's quite a reach, Dave.
> >
>
> Yes, but I think I cracked the code that connected coffee grinders to
> coffee cake.

If gluten gets in through those cracks in your code, you're doomed.

Janet UK

On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 5:00:29 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 13:43:14 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> >> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:03:22 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 2:32:28 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 11:02:40 -0500, jmcquown >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On 2/23/2019 10:10 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >> >> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 9:22:42 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> >> >> >>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 03:15:55 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 5:44:34 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> >> >> >>>>> ingredients
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Lentil thin cakes (see below)
> >> >> >>>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...DNCKV5CW7RR6JG
> >> >> >>>>> bread and butter chips (I use gluten free)
> >> >> >>>>> Mayonnaise (I use gluten free)
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> spread a dab of mayo on a lentil thin cake place two pickles
> >> >> >>>>> you will soon find heaven after you try this snack it is that good
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> I like a saltine spread with Jif creamy peanut butter, and then salted.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>> Thing about that is saltines are not gluten free
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I don't care. You don't have to eat them.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >There's that preaching platform again: gluten. Pbbbt. I don't care if
> >> >> >saltines have kosher salt in or on them, either. Nor the peanut butter,
> >> >> >for that matter. PB crackers are a tasty snack!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Jill
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Who the fuk is preaching? not I... Gluten is bad for you, period. It
> >> >> can cause an autoimmune response, make you feel like shit, sap all of
> >> >> your energy, cause sever dry skin, make your face and scalp peel, make
> >> >> you constipated for weeks... It is some bad shit man.
> >> >
> >> >Gluten is not bad for me. It does not cause an autoimmune response. It
> >> >does not make me feel like shit. It does not sap all of my energy. It
> >> >does not cause me to have severe dry skin. It does not make my face and
> >> >scalp peel. It does not make me constipated for weeks.
> >> >
> >> >I've been eating gluten all of my life and I don't have any of those
> >> >symptoms.
> >> >
> >> >Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >>
> >> Well now..."isn't that special"
> >> said in the old ladies voice that was being actually made by a male
> >> playing the role of church lady on SNL
> >>
> >
> >Let me put it more plainly for you. You're broken. What happens to
> >you happens to very few people.
>
> Actually I think you would be very very surprised how many people it
> actually effects..
>
>
> > When you say, "Gluten is bad for you"
> >what you really mean is "Gluten is bad for ME."
>
> You say that but I mean gluten is bad for you, maybe not you
> personally but maybe your children or grandchildren or great.... thus
> making it bad for you as well
>

I have no children. Better for the planet than all the recycling and
electric cars ever made.

> >
> >I honestly have sympathy for people who have trouble with gluten,
> >because it's so hard to avoid. But you're just being a dick about it.
>
> I am a dick because other people are stupid, like the person that is
> in here talking like he actually knows something about it when clearly
> he does not...
> I am what they call passive aggressive.. excuse the oxymoron but that
> is what they call it, and please don't ask me who they are because it
> is just they.. them.....

No, you're just aggressive. Happily, I can cope with that.

> I will try try try to get my point across for the betterment of human
> kind, although with the shit show that is going on now we only have
> like 150 years on this planet or at least that is what "they" are
> saying

I hate to break it to you, but bloviating on Usenet isn't going to change
a thing. Not a single mind, not a single external circumstance.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 12:19:53 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 11:34 24 Feb 2019, wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 06:12:35 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>>"What you talkin about Willis"
>>
>> It is so amazing how the hypocrites all come out .... Just yesterday
>> every one and their grandmother was complaining that I was not talking
>> enough about food...
>>
>> oh how the mighty have fallen...
>>
>
>You seem rather delicate if that troubled you ... or are you trolling?


sorry Pamela that was not at all intended towards you, You have been
kind and had nice words to say to me, and I appreciate that. You have
been like a beacon shining in the night making me feel safe and
keeping me warm and cozy.....
You have made my time here worth it and I will never forget all that
you have done for me...

You have in no way been a hypocrite so please just pay no mind to the
post as it was not intended for you sweet gentle eyes.....

And I am delicate... I am like a strand of cotton that has floated
through the air and landed on a rose petal and become lodged in the
early mornings dew...........

AHHHH HELP ME I AM DROWNING IN THE DAMN EARLY MORNING DEW... well
don't this just suck....

ya see.. very delicate...

another way of putting it is I am like a nanometer thin sheet of a
soda-lime-silica compound and the world is like a giant maul that is
just waiting to smash me to bits

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 04:37:47 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 5:00:29 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 13:43:14 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 12:03:22 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 2:32:28 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 11:02:40 -0500, jmcquown >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On 2/23/2019 10:10 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 9:22:42 AM UTC-5, wrote:
>> >> >> >>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 03:15:55 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> >> >> >>> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>> On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 5:44:34 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>> ingredients
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Lentil thin cakes (see below)
>> >> >> >>>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...DNCKV5CW7RR6JG
>> >> >> >>>>> bread and butter chips (I use gluten free)
>> >> >> >>>>> Mayonnaise (I use gluten free)
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> spread a dab of mayo on a lentil thin cake place two pickles
>> >> >> >>>>> you will soon find heaven after you try this snack it is that good
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> I like a saltine spread with Jif creamy peanut butter, and then salted.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>> Thing about that is saltines are not gluten free
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I don't care. You don't have to eat them.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Cindy Hamilton
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >There's that preaching platform again: gluten. Pbbbt. I don't care if
>> >> >> >saltines have kosher salt in or on them, either. Nor the peanut butter,
>> >> >> >for that matter. PB crackers are a tasty snack!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Jill
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Who the fuk is preaching? not I... Gluten is bad for you, period. It
>> >> >> can cause an autoimmune response, make you feel like shit, sap all of
>> >> >> your energy, cause sever dry skin, make your face and scalp peel, make
>> >> >> you constipated for weeks... It is some bad shit man.
>> >> >
>> >> >Gluten is not bad for me. It does not cause an autoimmune response. It
>> >> >does not make me feel like shit. It does not sap all of my energy. It
>> >> >does not cause me to have severe dry skin. It does not make my face and
>> >> >scalp peel. It does not make me constipated for weeks.
>> >> >
>> >> >I've been eating gluten all of my life and I don't have any of those
>> >> >symptoms.
>> >> >
>> >> >Cindy Hamilton
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Well now..."isn't that special"
>> >> said in the old ladies voice that was being actually made by a male
>> >> playing the role of church lady on SNL
>> >>
>> >
>> >Let me put it more plainly for you. You're broken. What happens to
>> >you happens to very few people.
>>
>> Actually I think you would be very very surprised how many people it
>> actually effects..
>>
>>
>> > When you say, "Gluten is bad for you"
>> >what you really mean is "Gluten is bad for ME."
>>
>> You say that but I mean gluten is bad for you, maybe not you
>> personally but maybe your children or grandchildren or great.... thus
>> making it bad for you as well
>>
>
>I have no children. Better for the planet than all the recycling and
>electric cars ever made.
>

I am with you there dear... kids have always ****ed me off.. well I
mean they would have if they were mine, LOL


>> >
>> >I honestly have sympathy for people who have trouble with gluten,
>> >because it's so hard to avoid. But you're just being a dick about it.
>>
>> I am a dick because other people are stupid, like the person that is
>> in here talking like he actually knows something about it when clearly
>> he does not...
>> I am what they call passive aggressive.. excuse the oxymoron but that
>> is what they call it, and please don't ask me who they are because it
>> is just they.. them.....
>
>No, you're just aggressive. Happily, I can cope with that.

Ok take all of my aggressive attitudes and imagine a smile on my
face... because most of the time I am just being silly, making a joke,
kidding, or just screwing with someone...

>
>> I will try try try to get my point across for the betterment of human
>> kind, although with the shit show that is going on now we only have
>> like 150 years on this planet or at least that is what "they" are
>> saying
>
>I hate to break it to you, but bloviating on Usenet isn't going to change
>a thing. Not a single mind, not a single external circumstance.

Do you really think so?


>
>Cindy Hamilton

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On 2019-02-24 7:19 a.m., Pamela wrote:
> On 11:34 24 Feb 2019, wrote:

>> It is so amazing how the hypocrites all come out .... Just yesterday
>> every one and their grandmother was complaining that I was not talking
>> enough about food...
>>
>> oh how the mighty have fallen...
>>
>
> You seem rather delicate if that troubled you ... or are you trolling?
>

I often wonder if it is acceptable to omit the question mark when asking
a rhetorical question. <?>

On 2/24/2019 7:47 AM, wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 12:19:53 GMT, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>> On 11:34 24 Feb 2019, wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 06:12:35 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "What you talkin about Willis"
>>>
>>> It is so amazing how the hypocrites all come out .... Just yesterday
>>> every one and their grandmother was complaining that I was not talking
>>> enough about food...
>>>
>>> oh how the mighty have fallen...
>>>
>>
>> You seem rather delicate if that troubled you ... or are you trolling?
>
>
> sorry Pamela that was not at all intended towards you, You have been
> kind and had nice words to say to me, and I appreciate that. You have
> been like a beacon shining in the night making me feel safe and
> keeping me warm and cozy.....
> You have made my time here worth it and I will never forget all that
> you have done for me...
>
> You have in no way been a hypocrite so please just pay no mind to the
> post as it was not intended for you sweet gentle eyes.....
>
> And I am delicate... I am like a strand of cotton that has floated
> through the air and landed on a rose petal and become lodged in the
> early mornings dew...........
>
> AHHHH HELP ME I AM DROWNING IN THE DAMN EARLY MORNING DEW... well
> don't this just suck....
>
> ya see.. very delicate...

Nice words to hear on the Sabbath. You are so kind. Bless you!

On 2/24/2019 7:37 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> I will try try try to get my point across for the betterment of human
>> kind, although with the shit show that is going on now we only have
>> like 150 years on this planet or at least that is what "they" are
>> saying
>
> I hate to break it to you, but bloviating on Usenet isn't going to change
> a thing. Not a single mind, not a single external circumstance.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Ypu are probably right, but I pray to the Lord for change.

On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 08:58:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/24/2019 7:47 AM, wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 12:19:53 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11:34 24 Feb 2019, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 06:12:35 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "What you talkin about Willis"
>>>>
>>>> It is so amazing how the hypocrites all come out .... Just yesterday
>>>> every one and their grandmother was complaining that I was not talking
>>>> enough about food...
>>>>
>>>> oh how the mighty have fallen...
>>>>
>>>
>>> You seem rather delicate if that troubled you ... or are you trolling?
>>
>>
>> sorry Pamela that was not at all intended towards you, You have been
>> kind and had nice words to say to me, and I appreciate that. You have
>> been like a beacon shining in the night making me feel safe and
>> keeping me warm and cozy.....
>> You have made my time here worth it and I will never forget all that
>> you have done for me...
>>
>> You have in no way been a hypocrite so please just pay no mind to the
>> post as it was not intended for you sweet gentle eyes.....
>>
>> And I am delicate... I am like a strand of cotton that has floated
>> through the air and landed on a rose petal and become lodged in the
>> early mornings dew...........
>>
>> AHHHH HELP ME I AM DROWNING IN THE DAMN EARLY MORNING DEW... well
>> don't this just suck....
>>
>> ya see.. very delicate...
>
>Nice words to hear on the Sabbath. You are so kind. Bless you!

The sabbath... LOL

an imaginary day created from an imaginary tale by an imaginary being.
WOW amazing!!!

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