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On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 07:28:30 -0600, heyjoe >
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>On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 19:38:30 -0600
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>Terry Coombs > wrote :
>
>> We still have 9 quarts of raw unfiltered wildflower honey down in the
>> cellar . Not even labeled since I didn't intend on selling it .

>
>Bought some honey at our farmer's market just before Halloween. Looked
>at the still sealed, unopened jar yesterday and it's starting to go to
>sugar already. Isn't that a bit soon? Don't know how long it sat on
>the shelf at the farmer's market, but would've guessed it was fresh some
>time this year, or is that totally off base since it's going to sugar
>already? I know about heating the honey in hot water, but that's a
>temporary solution, in my experience.
>
>In your experience, how long does it normally take for honey to start
>going to sugar? Does filtered vs. unfiltered make a difference?
>
>What are your thoughts and experience with your honey turning to sugar?


Honey does not turn to sugar, honey crystalizes but it's still
honey... with gentle heating it'll become liquified.
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> What are your thoughts and experience with your honey turning to sugar?


An essay on maple-syrup making (citation lost in the mists of time)
said that syrup must weigh exactly eleven pounds to the gallon. Any
thinner, and it's likely to spoil. Any thicker, and it will
crystallize.

Honey weighs twelve pounds to the gallon. It's remarkable that it
stays fluid as long as it does.

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On 2/3/2019 6:14 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 07:28:30 -0600, heyjoe >
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>
>> What are your thoughts and experience with your honey turning to sugar?

> An essay on maple-syrup making (citation lost in the mists of time)
> said that syrup must weigh exactly eleven pounds to the gallon. Any
> thinner, and it's likely to spoil. Any thicker, and it will
> crystallize.
>
> Honey weighs twelve pounds to the gallon. It's remarkable that it
> stays fluid as long as it does.
>

Â* If I remember the numbers correctly (I didn't , had to look it up) ,
honey averages around 17% water . Much more and it ferments , much less
and it crystallizes . Ours has never been checked , but neither ferments
nor crystallizes so it must be about right .

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What do honey bees do in the winter (or at least on cold days),
Terry? Hibernate, I assume.

I had an odd encounter with a honey bee one nice warm day that
then turned extremely cold within an hour. It was 2-3 years ago
in January or February. I'll tell the story once you tell me how
they normally spend winter days.
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On 2/4/2019 7:35 AM, Gary wrote:
> Terry Coombs wrote:
> What do honey bees do in the winter (or at least on cold days),
> Terry? Hibernate, I assume.
>
> I had an odd encounter with a honey bee one nice warm day that
> then turned extremely cold within an hour. It was 2-3 years ago
> in January or February. I'll tell the story once you tell me how
> they normally spend winter days.


Â* When the temps drop below about 40-50°F they cluster up in a ball .
Usually in the center of the hive , but the cluster can be anywhere .
There is a constant circulation of bees from inside to outside and back
, their body heat produced warms the cluster but not the hive itself .Â*
On warm days they break cluster and go on "cleansing" flights - gotta
take an occasional dump ya know .

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On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 11:31:06 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
> On 2/4/2019 7:35 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Terry Coombs wrote:
> > What do honey bees do in the winter (or at least on cold days),
> > Terry? Hibernate, I assume.
> >
> > I had an odd encounter with a honey bee one nice warm day that
> > then turned extremely cold within an hour. It was 2-3 years ago
> > in January or February. I'll tell the story once you tell me how
> > they normally spend winter days.

>
> Â* When the temps drop below about 40-50°F they cluster up in a ball .


That reminds me. Yesterday it was a very pleasant, sunny 40 F
so we got out the lawn chairs and sat on the driveway for a
while. Most of that was waiting for the host tub to refill
after changing out most of the water.

I pictured the neighbors staring out their window: "Look at
those crazy Hamiltons! They've got the lawn chairs out in
February."

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On 2019-02-04 12:38 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> That reminds me. Yesterday it was a very pleasant, sunny 40 F
> so we got out the lawn chairs and sat on the driveway for a
> while. Most of that was waiting for the host tub to refill
> after changing out most of the water.
>
> I pictured the neighbors staring out their window: "Look at
> those crazy Hamiltons! They've got the lawn chairs out in
> February."
>



On Friday morning it was -22 C(-8F) and my well line froze and we had
about 8" of snow on the ground. This afternoon it is +16 (60F) and the
only snow on the ground is the stuff that was piled up by the plows last
week, and even those piles are small.


This after
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 22:43:01 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

writes:
>>On 2019-02-04 12:38 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> That reminds me. Yesterday it was a very pleasant, sunny 40 F
>>> so we got out the lawn chairs and sat on the driveway for a
>>> while. Most of that was waiting for the host tub to refill
>>> after changing out most of the water.
>>>
>>> I pictured the neighbors staring out their window: "Look at
>>> those crazy Hamiltons! They've got the lawn chairs out in
>>> February."
>>>

>>
>>
>>On Friday morning it was -22 C(-8F) and my well line froze and we had
>>about 8" of snow on the ground. This afternoon it is +16 (60F) and the
>>only snow on the ground is the stuff that was piled up by the plows last
>>week, and even those piles are small.
>>
>>
>>This after

>
>oh come on, don't keep us in suspense - finish the story! This after
>WHAT? NOW WHAT DID YOU FIND IN THE CUPBOARD?? A GNOME?????


Yes, what a cruel cliffhanger! AFTER WHAT?
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Pamela wrote:
> On 03:08 2 Feb 2019, Terry Coombs > wrote:
>> On 2/1/2019 8:24 PM, wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 Feb 2019 12:57:45 +1100, Bruce >
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 19:38:30 -0600, Terry Coombs >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/1/2019 6:43 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/30/2019 11:04 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This morning I was looking through the cupboards the jar honey to
>>>>>>> fill the honey jar. There were two half jars and one of them was
>>>>>>> buckwheat honey. I had forgotten about that stuff. My wife had
>>>>>>> picked it up for me thinking that I love the stuff. She had
>>>>>>> overestimated my attitude about the stuff. It is pretty good, but I
>>>>>>> only like it once in a while, which is why it had been put away. It
>>>>>>> as crystallized so I had to warm it up to liquefy it.  Good
>>>>>>> stuff.... once in a while.
>>>>>> I would be completely surprised to find anything other than South
>>>>>> Carolina clover honey. I've got a jar of it dated 2004 and have
>>>>>> yet to open it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>
>>>>> We still have 9 quarts of raw unfiltered wildflower honey down in
>>>>> the cellar . Not even labeled since I didn't intend on selling it .
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if there's plastic in it.
>>>
>>> No one stores nine quarts of honey, they use it, sell it, or give it
>>> away... Coombs is full of BS... anyone seen his hives, I thought not.
>>> I have many neighbors who keep bees, none horde their honey, they sell
>>> it or barter it. I leave home grown veggies at my neighbor's door,
>>> they leave jars of honey at my door. People who keep bees don't save
>>> honey because they have much more coming... that's why I don't believe
>>> anything Coombs claims... he likely lives in some big city slum
>>> tenement basement appartment... NO BEES... only Bs Coombs sees are
>>> drug dealing *******s.

>>
>> Are you calling me a liar ? That honey is stocked for MY use and my
>> wife's . The bees are a varroa mite resistant variety developed by Ed
>> Levi , a former Arkansas bee inspector - and there are NO chemicals used
>> in my hives . Here's a link , Ed's business is mentioned
>>
http://www.nwabeekeepers.com/beekeeping/favorite-links . I assume your
>> reading comprehension is good enough to pick his name out . Just can't
>> stand anyone that doesn't bend over and kiss your ass can you ?
>>
>> And , since you claim I live in a city (we do own a house in Memphis
>> , my son lives in it) here's a link to my photobucket
>> http://s991.photobucket.com/user/Snag_one/library/

>
> Those housebuilding pics look impressive. I bet they took a long time.
>


I bet Popeye wouldn't approve them though.




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On 2/10/2019 5:29 PM, Pamela wrote:
> On 03:08 2 Feb 2019, Terry Coombs > wrote:
>> On 2/1/2019 8:24 PM, wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 Feb 2019 12:57:45 +1100, Bruce >
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 19:38:30 -0600, Terry Coombs >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/1/2019 6:43 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/30/2019 11:04 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This morning I was looking through the cupboards the jar honey to
>>>>>>> fill the honey jar.ÂÂ* There were two half jars and one of them was
>>>>>>> buckwheat honey. I had forgotten about that stuff. My wife had
>>>>>>> picked it up for me thinking that I love the stuff.ÂÂ* She had
>>>>>>> overestimated my attitude about the stuff. It is pretty good, but I
>>>>>>> only like it once in a while, which is why it had been put away. It
>>>>>>> as crystallized so I had to warm it up to liquefy it.ÂÂ*ÂÂ* Good
>>>>>>> stuff.... once in a while.
>>>>>> I would be completely surprised to find anything other than South
>>>>>> Carolina clover honey.ÂÂ* I've got a jar of it dated 2004 and have
>>>>>> yet to open it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>
>>>>> We still have 9 quarts of raw unfiltered wildflower honey down in
>>>>> the cellar . Not even labeled since I didn't intend on selling it .
>>>> I wonder if there's plastic in it.
>>> No one stores nine quarts of honey, they use it, sell it, or give it
>>> away... Coombs is full of BS... anyone seen his hives, I thought not.
>>> I have many neighbors who keep bees, none horde their honey, they sell
>>> it or barter it. I leave home grown veggies at my neighbor's door,
>>> they leave jars of honey at my door. People who keep bees don't save
>>> honey because they have much more coming... that's why I don't believe
>>> anything Coombs claims... he likely lives in some big city slum
>>> tenement basement appartment... NO BEES... only Bs Coombs sees are
>>> drug dealing *******s.

>> Are you calling me a liar ? That honey is stocked for MY use and my
>> wife's . The bees are a varroa mite resistant variety developed by Ed
>> Levi , a former Arkansas bee inspector - and there are NO chemicals used
>> in my hives . Here's a link , Ed's business is mentioned
>>
http://www.nwabeekeepers.com/beekeeping/favorite-links . I assume your
>> reading comprehension is good enough to pick his name out . Just can't
>> stand anyone that doesn't bend over and kiss your ass can you ?
>>
>> And , since you claim I live in a city (we do own a house in Memphis
>> , my son lives in it) here's a link to my photobucket
>> http://s991.photobucket.com/user/Snag_one/library/

> Those housebuilding pics look impressive. I bet they took a long time.
>

Â*Thank you . We started in 2013 with the living room , with a temp
hallway into the camper . Until I built the kitchen and bedroom we
cooked and slept in the camper . We now have sheetrock most everywhere
except the MBR closet and parts of the kitchen area - and the vaulted
ceiling in the dining room/kitchen , which will get bead board and faux
rough cut cedar beams . I got lax about pictures during the later phases
of construction , but everything was done by me from foundation holes to
building the trusses with help as needed for stuff like setting trusses
.. I even learned to lay block , but I'd go broke doing it for a living .

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On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 23:29:53 GMT, Pamela >
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>On 03:08 2 Feb 2019, Terry Coombs > wrote:
>> On 2/1/2019 8:24 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> No one stores nine quarts of honey, they use it, sell it, or give it
>>> away... Coombs is full of BS... anyone seen his hives, I thought not.
>>> I have many neighbors who keep bees, none horde their honey, they sell
>>> it or barter it. I leave home grown veggies at my neighbor's door,
>>> they leave jars of honey at my door. People who keep bees don't save
>>> honey because they have much more coming... that's why I don't believe
>>> anything Coombs claims... he likely lives in some big city slum
>>> tenement basement appartment... NO BEES... only Bs Coombs sees are
>>> drug dealing *******s.

>>
>> Are you calling me a liar ? That honey is stocked for MY use and my
>> wife's . The bees are a varroa mite resistant variety developed by Ed
>> Levi , a former Arkansas bee inspector - and there are NO chemicals used
>> in my hives . Here's a link , Ed's business is mentioned
>>
http://www.nwabeekeepers.com/beekeeping/favorite-links . I assume your
>> reading comprehension is good enough to pick his name out . Just can't
>> stand anyone that doesn't bend over and kiss your ass can you ?
>>
>> And , since you claim I live in a city (we do own a house in Memphis
>> , my son lives in it) here's a link to my photobucket
>> http://s991.photobucket.com/user/Snag_one/library/

>
>Those housebuilding pics look impressive. I bet they took a long time.


Nah, you just press the button and it takes a picture.
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 02:40:25 GMT, Pamela >
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>On 00:02 11 Feb 2019, Hank Rogers > wrote:
>
>> Pamela wrote:
>>> On 03:08 2 Feb 2019, Terry Coombs > wrote:
>>>> On 2/1/2019 8:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 02 Feb 2019 12:57:45 +1100, Bruce >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 19:38:30 -0600, Terry Coombs >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/1/2019 6:43 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/30/2019 11:04 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This morning I was looking through the cupboards the jar honey to
>>>>>>>>> fill the honey jar. There were two half jars and one of them
>>>>>>>>> was buckwheat honey. I had forgotten about that stuff. My wife
>>>>>>>>> had picked it up for me thinking that I love the stuff. She had
>>>>>>>>> overestimated my attitude about the stuff. It is pretty good, but
>>>>>>>>> I only like it once in a while, which is why it had been put
>>>>>>>>> away. It as crystallized so I had to warm it up to liquefy it. Â
>>>>>>>>> Good stuff.... once in a while.
>>>>>>>> I would be completely surprised to find anything other than South
>>>>>>>> Carolina clover honey. I've got a jar of it dated 2004 and have
>>>>>>>> yet to open it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We still have 9 quarts of raw unfiltered wildflower honey down in
>>>>>>> the cellar . Not even labeled since I didn't intend on selling it
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if there's plastic in it.
>>>>>
>>>>> No one stores nine quarts of honey, they use it, sell it, or give it
>>>>> away... Coombs is full of BS... anyone seen his hives, I thought not.
>>>>> I have many neighbors who keep bees, none horde their honey, they
>>>>> sell it or barter it. I leave home grown veggies at my neighbor's
>>>>> door, they leave jars of honey at my door. People who keep bees
>>>>> don't save honey because they have much more coming... that's why I
>>>>> don't believe anything Coombs claims... he likely lives in some big
>>>>> city slum tenement basement appartment... NO BEES... only Bs Coombs
>>>>> sees are drug dealing *******s.
>>>>
>>>> Are you calling me a liar ? That honey is stocked for MY use and my
>>>> wife's . The bees are a varroa mite resistant variety developed by Ed
>>>> Levi , a former Arkansas bee inspector - and there are NO chemicals
>>>> used in my hives . Here's a link , Ed's business is mentioned
>>>>
http://www.nwabeekeepers.com/beekeeping/favorite-links . I assume your
>>>> reading comprehension is good enough to pick his name out . Just can't
>>>> stand anyone that doesn't bend over and kiss your ass can you ?
>>>>
>>>> And , since you claim I live in a city (we do own a house in Memphis
>>>> , my son lives in it) here's a link to my photobucket
>>>> http://s991.photobucket.com/user/Snag_one/library/
>>>
>>> Those housebuilding pics look impressive. I bet they took a long time.
>>>

>>
>> I bet Popeye wouldn't approve them though.

>
>Maybe it's a competitive male thing.
>On the other hand, when I talk to Sheldon he's aways been polite.


I'm not at all competitive, why I've had very few male friends, most
all of my friends have always been female, and still are... I've
always found that males immediately want to start a ****ing contest...
even as little boys first thing is to show off their toybox and want
to engage in competitive sports. I don't play any sport or watch any
sport... to me grown men running around chasing a ball is the most
asinine waste of time and energy... if only they did something
constructive instead of all their war games... I've found that most
males are naturally violent.
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Terry Coombs wrote:
>
> On 2/4/2019 7:35 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Terry Coombs wrote:
> > What do honey bees do in the winter (or at least on cold days),
> > Terry? Hibernate, I assume.
> >
> > I had an odd encounter with a honey bee one nice warm day that
> > then turned extremely cold within an hour. It was 2-3 years ago
> > in January or February. I'll tell the story once you tell me how
> > they normally spend winter days.

>
>  When the temps drop below about 40-50°F they cluster up in a ball .
> Usually in the center of the hive , but the cluster can be anywhere .
> There is a constant circulation of bees from inside to outside and back
> , their body heat produced warms the cluster but not the hive itself .Â
> On warm days they break cluster and go on "cleansing" flights - gotta
> take an occasional dump ya know .


That's just like those idiot penguins that live in Antarctica do.
They do the same thing while stupidly standing out in open land
with full winds hitting them......for months on end.

Same dumb thing that seagulls here do. On an extremely cold and
windy day, they will all stand in a parking lot right at the
oceanfront facing the wind so it doesn't ruffle their feathers.
Dumbasses have a large building right near them....they could
walk over next to that and get out of the wind and be so much
warmer.

But...they all survive so who am I to complain?

Question for you again: When temps fall way below their cluster
thing...like 10F. Do they hibernate or just go into suspended
animation? They must do that or most would all die in winters in
the north. I do know that bumble bees shut down when frozen then
revive when warmed up.
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On 2/10/2019 8:38 PM, Pamela wrote:
> On 00:02 11 Feb 2019, Terry Coombs > wrote:
>
>> On 2/10/2019 5:29 PM, Pamela wrote:
>>> On 03:08 2 Feb 2019, Terry Coombs > wrote:
>>>> On 2/1/2019 8:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 02 Feb 2019 12:57:45 +1100, Bruce >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 19:38:30 -0600, Terry Coombs >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/1/2019 6:43 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/30/2019 11:04 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>> This morning I was looking through the cupboards the jar honey to
>>>>>>>>> fill the honey jar.ÀšÃ‚Â* There were two half jars and one of them
>>>>>>>>> was buckwheat honey. I had forgotten about that stuff. My wife
>>>>>>>>> had picked it up for me thinking that I love the stuff.ÀšÃ‚Â* She
>>>>>>>>> had overestimated my attitude about the stuff. It is pretty good,
>>>>>>>>> but I only like it once in a while, which is why it had been put
>>>>>>>>> away. It as crystallized so I had to warm it up to liquefy
>>>>>>>>> it.ÀšÃ‚Â*ÀšÃ‚Â* Good stuff.... once in a while.
>>>>>>>> I would be completely surprised to find anything other than South
>>>>>>>> Carolina clover honey.ÀšÃ‚Â* I've got a jar of it dated 2004 and
>>>>>>>> have yet to open it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We still have 9 quarts of raw unfiltered wildflower honey down in
>>>>>>> the cellar . Not even labeled since I didn't intend on selling it
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>> I wonder if there's plastic in it.
>>>>> No one stores nine quarts of honey, they use it, sell it, or give it
>>>>> away... Coombs is full of BS... anyone seen his hives, I thought not.
>>>>> I have many neighbors who keep bees, none horde their honey, they
>>>>> sell it or barter it. I leave home grown veggies at my neighbor's
>>>>> door, they leave jars of honey at my door. People who keep bees
>>>>> don't save honey because they have much more coming... that's why I
>>>>> don't believe anything Coombs claims... he likely lives in some big
>>>>> city slum tenement basement appartment... NO BEES... only Bs Coombs
>>>>> sees are drug dealing *******s.
>>>> Are you calling me a liar ? That honey is stocked for MY use and my
>>>> wife's . The bees are a varroa mite resistant variety developed by Ed
>>>> Levi , a former Arkansas bee inspector - and there are NO chemicals
>>>> used in my hives . Here's a link , Ed's business is mentioned
>>>>
http://www.nwabeekeepers.com/beekeeping/favorite-links . I assume your
>>>> reading comprehension is good enough to pick his name out . Just can't
>>>> stand anyone that doesn't bend over and kiss your ass can you ?
>>>>
>>>> And , since you claim I live in a city (we do own a house in Memphis
>>>> , my son lives in it) here's a link to my photobucket
>>>> http://s991.photobucket.com/user/Snag_one/library/
>>> Those housebuilding pics look impressive. I bet they took a long time.
>>>

>> ÂÂ*Thank you . We started in 2013 with the living room , with a temp
>> hallway into the camper . Until I built the kitchen and bedroom we
>> cooked and slept in the camper . We now have sheetrock most everywhere
>> except the MBR closet and parts of the kitchen area - and the vaulted
>> ceiling in the dining room/kitchen , which will get bead board and faux
>> rough cut cedar beams . I got lax about pictures during the later phases
>> of construction , but everything was done by me from foundation holes to
>> building the trusses with help as needed for stuff like setting trusses
>> . I even learned to lay block , but I'd go broke doing it for a living .

> The photos show a standalone kitchen and a standalone living room which I
> was wondering about. Presumably they are all now part of one building.
>
> That stuff is hard work. I'm fixing a single small leak in a joint of my
> washing machine waste pipe and that's keeping me busy enough. A house has
> a colossal amount to adjust and get right. Phew!


Â* Actually it was designed so that as we got money available I could
add on to the living room . Both east and west walls that were exterior
are now interior walls - the west end truss in the living room is a full
self supporting , most of the wall between the kitchen/dining area and
the living room went away when we added the kitchen so it's basically
one big room . The cellar is not as big as the kitchen above it ...

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On 2/12/2019 12:45 PM, Gary wrote:
> Terry Coombs wrote:
>> On 2/4/2019 7:35 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Terry Coombs wrote:
>>> What do honey bees do in the winter (or at least on cold days),
>>> Terry? Hibernate, I assume.
>>>
>>> I had an odd encounter with a honey bee one nice warm day that
>>> then turned extremely cold within an hour. It was 2-3 years ago
>>> in January or February. I'll tell the story once you tell me how
>>> they normally spend winter days.

>>  When the temps drop below about 40-50°F they cluster up in a ball .
>> Usually in the center of the hive , but the cluster can be anywhere .
>> There is a constant circulation of bees from inside to outside and back
>> , their body heat produced warms the cluster but not the hive itself .Â
>> On warm days they break cluster and go on "cleansing" flights - gotta
>> take an occasional dump ya know .

> That's just like those idiot penguins that live in Antarctica do.
> They do the same thing while stupidly standing out in open land
> with full winds hitting them......for months on end.
>
> Same dumb thing that seagulls here do. On an extremely cold and
> windy day, they will all stand in a parking lot right at the
> oceanfront facing the wind so it doesn't ruffle their feathers.
> Dumbasses have a large building right near them....they could
> walk over next to that and get out of the wind and be so much
> warmer.
>
> But...they all survive so who am I to complain?
>
> Question for you again: When temps fall way below their cluster
> thing...like 10F. Do they hibernate or just go into suspended
> animation? They must do that or most would all die in winters in
> the north. I do know that bumble bees shut down when frozen then
> revive when warmed up.


Up north they sometimes insulate the hives some , especially in places
where the temps go well below zero F . We've had occasional temps here
down in single digits , the clustered bees did just fine . The big thing
is that they need food - honey or sugar - and it has to be accessible
while in cluster . As long as they have something to eat they'll pull
thru - usually , unless there are other problems like a lot of mites or
other pests . Mice can wipe out a hive in very short order . The real
worrisome time is early spring when they're "brooding up" in preparation
for the spring nectar flow . Takes a lot more food to make babies than
it does to keep the cluster warm .

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On 2/10/2019 7:02 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
> On 2/10/2019 5:29 PM, Pamela wrote:
>> On 03:08Â* 2 Feb 2019, Terry Coombs > wrote:
>>> On 2/1/2019 8:24 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> And , since you claim I live in a city (we do own a house in Memphis
>>> , my son lives in it) here's a link to my photobucket
>>>
http://s991.photobucket.com/user/Snag_one/library/

>> Those housebuilding pics look impressive.Â* I bet they took a long time.
>>

> Â*Thank you . We started in 2013 with the living room , with a temp
> hallway into the camper . Until I built the kitchen and bedroom we
> cooked and slept in the camper . We now have sheetrock most everywhere
> except the MBR closet and parts of the kitchen area - and the vaulted
> ceiling in the dining room/kitchen , which will get bead board and faux
> rough cut cedar beams . I got lax about pictures during the later phases
> of construction , but everything was done by me from foundation holes to
> building the trusses with help as needed for stuff like setting trusses
> . I even learned to lay block , but I'd go broke doing it for a living .
>

That's one thing Sheldon can't claim he's ever done: built his own house
from the ground up. Good job!

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> Up north they sometimes insulate the hives some , especially in places
> where the temps go well below zero F . We've had occasional temps here
> down in single digits , the clustered bees did just fine . The big thing
> is that they need food - honey or sugar - and it has to be accessible
> while in cluster . As long as they have something to eat they'll pull
> thru - usually , unless there are other problems like a lot of mites or
> other pests . Mice can wipe out a hive in very short order . The real
> worrisome time is early spring when they're "brooding up" in preparation
> for the spring nectar flow . Takes a lot more food to make babies than
> it does to keep the cluster warm .


Ok then. I will assume that when you harvest honey, you leave
enough for them to eat during the winter and spring until flowers
bloom again? IOW...if you take out ALL their honey, they would
die during the winter?

I actually have several bee stories to tell. Here's the first
one:

Watching some kids science-guy show one summer morning, he said
how bumblebees can freeze solid, go into suspended animation,
then revive once the temp warms up again. HUH, I thought. I just
had to see that for myself. I went right outside and scooped a
bumblebee on a clover into a jar with lid. Came back inside and
put that jar right into our freezer.

Next morning bee was frozen solid. The whole family gathered
around as I dumped the frozen bumble onto a dinner plate. Small
clink sound as he hit the plate...frozen solid and on his back
with all legs in the air.
We all sat there for about 15 minutes as he slowly warmed up
and....nothing.

A few minutes later though, one leg started slowly moving....then
more legs...eventually the bee turned over and just stood there
on the plate. That's when I took the plate outside and put it on
a porch table in the warm summer air.

Several more minutes and he started walking around the plate,
then flew off.

I was wondering if honey bees have that same ability....(my next
bee story)
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>
> That's one thing Sheldon can't claim he's ever done: built his own house
> from the ground up. Good job!


My own father, although worked for the govt all his career, love
building. He built his very first house from the ground
up...Seriously. Except for a few things, he did it all on
weekends.

Then we moved to a huge barely finished house...bought at a bank
auction. We lived in that one for years as my Dad slowly finished
it....Just like Terry is doing. The first year or so, my bedroom
had no sheetrock. I used all the cross 2x4s as shelves.

Plywood floors for years, etc, etc etc....
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On 2/15/2019 9:16 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> That's one thing Sheldon can't claim he's ever done: built his own house
>> from the ground up. Good job!

>
> My own father, although worked for the govt all his career, love
> building. He built his very first house from the ground
> up...Seriously. Except for a few things, he did it all on
> weekends.
>
> Then we moved to a huge barely finished house...bought at a bank
> auction. We lived in that one for years as my Dad slowly finished
> it....Just like Terry is doing. The first year or so, my bedroom
> had no sheetrock. I used all the cross 2x4s as shelves.
>
> Plywood floors for years, etc, etc etc....
>

I thought about it a couple of times, but it is a huge project. I
worked on two houses helping friends doing exactly that. You can save a
bundle of money, but you have to be willing to live unfinished for a
long time too. Would not be so bad it you could take a year off of work.


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> Ok then. I will assume that when you harvest honey, you leave
> enough for them to eat during the winter and spring until flowers
> bloom again? IOW...if you take out ALL their honey, they would
> die during the winter?


a lot of bee keepers take the honey and then
feed the hive with sugar water.

another practice for the larger bee keepers is
to ship them to warmer areas that need them for
pollination.


> I actually have several bee stories to tell. Here's the first
> one:
>
> Watching some kids science-guy show one summer morning, he said
> how bumblebees can freeze solid, go into suspended animation,
> then revive once the temp warms up again. HUH, I thought. I just
> had to see that for myself. I went right outside and scooped a
> bumblebee on a clover into a jar with lid. Came back inside and
> put that jar right into our freezer.
>
> Next morning bee was frozen solid. The whole family gathered
> around as I dumped the frozen bumble onto a dinner plate. Small
> clink sound as he hit the plate...frozen solid and on his back
> with all legs in the air.
> We all sat there for about 15 minutes as he slowly warmed up
> and....nothing.
>
> A few minutes later though, one leg started slowly moving....then
> more legs...eventually the bee turned over and just stood there
> on the plate. That's when I took the plate outside and put it on
> a porch table in the warm summer air.
>
> Several more minutes and he started walking around the plate,
> then flew off.
>
> I was wondering if honey bees have that same ability....(my next
> bee story)


interesting.

my bumblebee stories are around going out and picking
seeds off cosmos and accidentally grabbing a bumblebee.
the only time i've been stung by them so far here, but
they have been more numerous in the past. i need to get
the cosmo seeds planted this year as the various bees
all swarm them and they make a nice background flower
planting.

plant cucumbers as early as you can and they'll be
around if you have any locally.


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On 2/15/2019 9:16 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> That's one thing Sheldon can't claim he's ever done: built his own house
>> from the ground up. Good job!

>
> My own father, although worked for the govt all his career, love
> building. He built his very first house from the ground
> up...Seriously. Except for a few things, he did it all on
> weekends.
>
> Then we moved to a huge barely finished house...bought at a bank
> auction. We lived in that one for years as my Dad slowly finished
> it....Just like Terry is doing. The first year or so, my bedroom
> had no sheetrock. I used all the cross 2x4s as shelves.
>
> Plywood floors for years, etc, etc etc....
>

That's cool! My maternal grandfather converted a 1900's open front
porch to a closed in, glass sunroom, eventually.

When my grandparents first bought the house (around 1911) it had an
unfinished full walk in attic. Up a slightly crooked winding wooden
staircase. (I remember the push-button light switch at the base of the
stairs.) Grandpa finished the attic, made it into two bedrooms with a
small closet. He added a window-seat storage bench (for bed linens)
under three little windows (which opened) in the cornis. (sp?) Grandma
made a cushion to fit the window-seat. I used to love to sit up there
and read.

Grandpa finished off the attic because they brought Grandma's parents
over from Scotland to live with them. My great-grandparents rooms were
the finished attic.

At that time Grandpa worked as an electrician at the steel mill. He
re-wired everything himself. He also, at one point, moved the original
kitchen (metal cabinets, gas appliances and all) to the basement and
hooked everything back up. Her a second kitchen. He installed a new
"more modern" kitchen where the original stuff had been. (Last time I
saw it was 1971.)

Grandma used the basement kitchen for canning fruit and cooking things
that might be messy or splatter. She always wanted the upstairs kitchen
to be spotless. Just in case a neighbor dropped by. They'd usually
come to the kitchen door.

Speaking of the kitchen door and my great grandfather living in the
attic... Grandpa had to install a metal awning over the kitchen door.
There was an attic window directly above it, you see. Right next to
great-grandpa's bed. Rather than walk downstairs to use the bathroom,
he'd **** out the window. LOLOL

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On 2/15/2019 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> Speaking of the kitchen door and my great grandfather living in the
> attic... Grandpa had to install a metal awning over the kitchen door.
> There was an attic window directly above it, you see.Â* Right next to
> great-grandpa's bed.Â* Rather than walk downstairs to use the bathroom,
> he'd **** out the window. LOLOL
>
> Jill


I can picture that. Stairs are the enemy.
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On 2/15/2019 12:32 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/15/2019 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Speaking of the kitchen door and my great grandfather living in the
>> attic... Grandpa had to install a metal awning over the kitchen door.
>> There was an attic window directly above it, you see.Â* Right next to
>> great-grandpa's bed.Â* Rather than walk downstairs to use the bathroom,
>> he'd **** out the window. LOLOL
>>
>> Jill

>
> I can picture that.Â* Stairs are the enemy.


I never met my great grandparents. They died before I was born. But
when I visited as a child there was still only one bathroom in the
house. On the second floor. Great grandpa was from the old country.
Why walk down that crooked set of stairs?

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jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/10/2019 7:02 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
>> On 2/10/2019 5:29 PM, Pamela wrote:
>>> On 03:08 2 Feb 2019, Terry Coombs > wrote:
>>>> On 2/1/2019 8:24 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And , since you claim I live in a city (we do own a house in Memphis
>>>> , my son lives in it) here's a link to my photobucket
>>>>
http://s991.photobucket.com/user/Snag_one/library/
>>> Those housebuilding pics look impressive. I bet they took a long time.
>>>

>> Thank you . We started in 2013 with the living room , with a temp
>> hallway into the camper . Until I built the kitchen and bedroom we
>> cooked and slept in the camper . We now have sheetrock most everywhere
>> except the MBR closet and parts of the kitchen area - and the vaulted
>> ceiling in the dining room/kitchen , which will get bead board and
>> faux rough cut cedar beams . I got lax about pictures during the later
>> phases of construction , but everything was done by me from foundation
>> holes to building the trusses with help as needed for stuff like
>> setting trusses . I even learned to lay block , but I'd go broke doing
>> it for a living .
>>

> That's one thing Sheldon can't claim he's ever done: built his own house
> from the ground up. Good job!
>
> Jill


Pshaw. Popeye is too important to do menial stuff like that. He is the
strongest man in the world, and has no time for things other than
protecting himself from all yoose wimmins trying to rape him





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On 2/15/2019 8:46 AM, Gary wrote:
> Terry Coombs wrote:
>>
>> Up north they sometimes insulate the hives some , especially in places
>> where the temps go well below zero F . We've had occasional temps here
>> down in single digits , the clustered bees did just fine . The big thing
>> is that they need food - honey or sugar - and it has to be accessible
>> while in cluster . As long as they have something to eat they'll pull
>> thru - usually , unless there are other problems like a lot of mites or
>> other pests . Mice can wipe out a hive in very short order . The real
>> worrisome time is early spring when they're "brooding up" in preparation
>> for the spring nectar flow . Takes a lot more food to make babies than
>> it does to keep the cluster warm .

>
> Ok then. I will assume that when you harvest honey, you leave
> enough for them to eat during the winter and spring until flowers
> bloom again? IOW...if you take out ALL their honey, they would
> die during the winter?
>
> I actually have several bee stories to tell. Here's the first
> one:
>
> Watching some kids science-guy show one summer morning, he said
> how bumblebees can freeze solid, go into suspended animation,
> then revive once the temp warms up again. HUH, I thought. I just
> had to see that for myself. I went right outside and scooped a
> bumblebee on a clover into a jar with lid. Came back inside and
> put that jar right into our freezer.
>
> Next morning bee was frozen solid. The whole family gathered
> around as I dumped the frozen bumble onto a dinner plate. Small
> clink sound as he hit the plate...frozen solid and on his back
> with all legs in the air.
> We all sat there for about 15 minutes as he slowly warmed up
> and....nothing.
>
> A few minutes later though, one leg started slowly moving....then
> more legs...eventually the bee turned over and just stood there
> on the plate. That's when I took the plate outside and put it on
> a porch table in the warm summer air.
>
> Several more minutes and he started walking around the plate,
> then flew off.


You actually froze a live bumblebee? All I can say is I'm glad the
science guy on television was right!

Jill

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