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Felt like posting something to distract from the leery dude with the
chocolate. I picked up salt cod, baccalŕ, from my local Costco a couple weeks ago. Never had it before. Made a really basic recipe called baccalŕ lesso. Let the fish soak in water for about 24 hours in the fridge before using. Once soaked, I simmered in boiling water for 20 minutes or so and topped with some olive oil, garlic, and parsley. Pretty decent. I gather this is a Christmas food for Portuguese and Italians, if anyone else has tried, what was your favorite recipe? Joe |
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On 2018-12-27 6:05 p.m., joecool wrote:
> Felt like posting something to distract from the leery dude with the > chocolate. > > I picked up salt cod, baccalĂ*, from my local Costco a couple weeks ago. > Never had it before. Made a really basic recipe called baccalĂ* lesso. Let > the fish soak in water for about 24 hours in the fridge before using. > > Once soaked, I simmered in boiling water for 20 minutes or so and topped > with some olive oil, garlic, and parsley. Pretty decent. > > I gather this is a Christmas food for Portuguese and Italians, if anyone > else has tried, what was your favorite recipe? > > Joe > > You could try Brandade de Morue, the French dish that I had once in a town in the Languedoc: https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/...otato-brandade https://www.foodandwine.com/recipes/...alt-cod-gratin Good cold weather food! |
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On 12/27/2018 8:05 PM, joecool wrote:
> Felt like posting something to distract from the leery dude with the > chocolate. > > I picked up salt cod, baccalĂ*, from my local Costco a couple weeks ago. > Never had it before. Made a really basic recipe called baccalĂ* lesso. Let > the fish soak in water for about 24 hours in the fridge before using. > > Once soaked, I simmered in boiling water for 20 minutes or so and topped > with some olive oil, garlic, and parsley. Pretty decent. > > I gather this is a Christmas food for Portuguese and Italians, if anyone > else has tried, what was your favorite recipe? > > Joe > > I've heard of it but I have not tried it. From what I've seen on cooking shows it definitely needs to be long soaked to remove the salt used to preserve it. Nice of you to give it a try. I doubt I can find anything like it near where I live. Jill |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 00:03:16 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote: >On 12/27/2018 8:05 PM, joecool wrote: >> Felt like posting something to distract from the leery dude with the >> chocolate. >> >> I picked up salt cod, baccalŕ, from my local Costco a couple weeks ago. >> Never had it before. Made a really basic recipe called baccalŕ lesso. Let >> the fish soak in water for about 24 hours in the fridge before using. >> >> Once soaked, I simmered in boiling water for 20 minutes or so and topped >> with some olive oil, garlic, and parsley. Pretty decent. >> >> I gather this is a Christmas food for Portuguese and Italians, if anyone >> else has tried, what was your favorite recipe? >> >> Joe >> >> >I've heard of it but I have not tried it. From what I've seen on >cooking shows it definitely needs to be long soaked to remove the salt >used to preserve it. Nice of you to give it a try. I doubt I can find >anything like it near where I live. > >Jill That depends entirely on taste, the Jamaican dish I used to do required very little de-salting. Maybe an hour to two hours in some water. Here it is sold in packets, the more expensive are fillets and the cheaper are pieces and trimmings. Choice depends on how you want to use it. Salted it is shelf stable. |
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On 12/28/2018 11:43 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:08:37 -0700, graham > wrote: > >> On 2018-12-28 5:51 a.m., wrote: >>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 00:03:16 -0500, jmcquown > >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/27/2018 8:05 PM, joecool wrote: >>>>> Felt like posting something to distract from the leery dude with the >>>>> chocolate. >>>>> >>>>> I picked up salt cod, baccalĂ*, from my local Costco a couple weeks ago. >>>>> Never had it before. Made a really basic recipe called baccalĂ* lesso. Let >>>>> the fish soak in water for about 24 hours in the fridge before using. >>>>> >>>>> Once soaked, I simmered in boiling water for 20 minutes or so and topped >>>>> with some olive oil, garlic, and parsley. Pretty decent. >>>>> >>>>> I gather this is a Christmas food for Portuguese and Italians, if anyone >>>>> else has tried, what was your favorite recipe? >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I've heard of it but I have not tried it. From what I've seen on >>>> cooking shows it definitely needs to be long soaked to remove the salt >>>> used to preserve it. Nice of you to give it a try. I doubt I can find >>>> anything like it near where I live. >>>> >>>> Jill >>> That depends entirely on taste, the Jamaican dish I used to do >>> required very little de-salting. >> >> Was that salt cod and ackee? We had a Jamaican nanny many years ago who >> prepared that for us. Very unusual:-) She also introduced us to rice >> with peas, i.e., rice, red beans and coconut. > > You guessed it! My father was born in the barracks in Kingston just > ahead of the major earthquake, he retained a love of Jamaican food all > his life. > Okay, well joecool was posting about using it in an Italian or Portuguese dish and that's what I saw on the cooking show. I really don't know a thing about baccala other than what I saw on the show. Jill |
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jmcquown > wrote:
> On 12/28/2018 11:43 AM, wrote: >> On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:08:37 -0700, graham > wrote: >> >>> On 2018-12-28 5:51 a.m., wrote: >>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 00:03:16 -0500, jmcquown > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 12/27/2018 8:05 PM, joecool wrote: >>>>>> Felt like posting something to distract from the leery dude with the >>>>>> chocolate. >>>>>> >>>>>> I picked up salt cod, baccalŕ, from my local Costco a couple weeks ago. >>>>>> Never had it before. Made a really basic recipe called baccalŕ lesso. Let >>>>>> the fish soak in water for about 24 hours in the fridge before using. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once soaked, I simmered in boiling water for 20 minutes or so and topped >>>>>> with some olive oil, garlic, and parsley. Pretty decent. >>>>>> >>>>>> I gather this is a Christmas food for Portuguese and Italians, if anyone >>>>>> else has tried, what was your favorite recipe? >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I've heard of it but I have not tried it. From what I've seen on >>>>> cooking shows it definitely needs to be long soaked to remove the salt >>>>> used to preserve it. Nice of you to give it a try. I doubt I can find >>>>> anything like it near where I live. >>>>> >>>>> Jill >>>> That depends entirely on taste, the Jamaican dish I used to do >>>> required very little de-salting. >>> >>> Was that salt cod and ackee? We had a Jamaican nanny many years ago who >>> prepared that for us. Very unusual:-) She also introduced us to rice >>> with peas, i.e., rice, red beans and coconut. >> >> You guessed it! My father was born in the barracks in Kingston just >> ahead of the major earthquake, he retained a love of Jamaican food all >> his life. >> > Okay, well joecool was posting about using it in an Italian or > Portuguese dish and that's what I saw on the cooking show. I really > don't know a thing about baccala other than what I saw on the show. > > Jill > I should note that I had seen baccalŕ before stored at room temp, the fish looking stiff as a board. The type of salt cod Costco carried was just firm to the touch, skinned and deboned. I actually heard the room temp stable salt cod does well soaking for 2 days. There are also apparently pre-soaked ones for sale. It still held a good salty flavor once cooked, I can imagine it would be good in a chowder or stew in place of clams. Joe |
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On 12/28/2018 1:16 PM, joecool wrote:
> jmcquown > wrote: >> On 12/28/2018 11:43 AM, wrote: >>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:08:37 -0700, graham > wrote: >>> >>>> On 2018-12-28 5:51 a.m., wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 00:03:16 -0500, jmcquown > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 12/27/2018 8:05 PM, joecool wrote: >>>>>>> Felt like posting something to distract from the leery dude with the >>>>>>> chocolate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I picked up salt cod, baccalĂ*, from my local Costco a couple weeks ago. >>>>>>> Never had it before. Made a really basic recipe called baccalĂ* lesso. Let >>>>>>> the fish soak in water for about 24 hours in the fridge before using. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once soaked, I simmered in boiling water for 20 minutes or so and topped >>>>>>> with some olive oil, garlic, and parsley. Pretty decent. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I gather this is a Christmas food for Portuguese and Italians, if anyone >>>>>>> else has tried, what was your favorite recipe? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> I've heard of it but I have not tried it. From what I've seen on >>>>>> cooking shows it definitely needs to be long soaked to remove the salt >>>>>> used to preserve it. Nice of you to give it a try. I doubt I can find >>>>>> anything like it near where I live. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jill >>>>> That depends entirely on taste, the Jamaican dish I used to do >>>>> required very little de-salting. >>>> >>>> Was that salt cod and ackee? We had a Jamaican nanny many years ago who >>>> prepared that for us. Very unusual:-) She also introduced us to rice >>>> with peas, i.e., rice, red beans and coconut. >>> >>> You guessed it! My father was born in the barracks in Kingston just >>> ahead of the major earthquake, he retained a love of Jamaican food all >>> his life. >>> >> Okay, well joecool was posting about using it in an Italian or >> Portuguese dish and that's what I saw on the cooking show. I really >> don't know a thing about baccala other than what I saw on the show. >> >> Jill >> > > I should note that I had seen baccalĂ* before stored at room temp, the fish > looking stiff as a board. The type of salt cod Costco carried was just firm > to the touch, skinned and deboned. > > I actually heard the room temp stable salt cod does well soaking for 2 > days. There are also apparently pre-soaked ones for sale. > > It still held a good salty flavor once cooked, I can imagine it would be > good in a chowder or stew in place of clams. > > Joe > You won't find it in my house. My wife's Italian grandfather bought the dried stuff a few times a year and she despised it. He would soak it and change the water but she always thought it was a nasty salt bomb. Years ago salting and drying was a necessity to keep foods with no refrigeration. Some were good, others less so, but tastes vary. |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 18:16:28 GMT, joecool >
wrote: >jmcquown > wrote: >> On 12/28/2018 11:43 AM, wrote: >>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 08:08:37 -0700, graham > wrote: >>> >>>> On 2018-12-28 5:51 a.m., wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 00:03:16 -0500, jmcquown > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 12/27/2018 8:05 PM, joecool wrote: >>>>>>> Felt like posting something to distract from the leery dude with the >>>>>>> chocolate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I picked up salt cod, baccalŕ, from my local Costco a couple weeks ago. >>>>>>> Never had it before. Made a really basic recipe called baccalŕ lesso. Let >>>>>>> the fish soak in water for about 24 hours in the fridge before using. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once soaked, I simmered in boiling water for 20 minutes or so and topped >>>>>>> with some olive oil, garlic, and parsley. Pretty decent. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I gather this is a Christmas food for Portuguese and Italians, if anyone >>>>>>> else has tried, what was your favorite recipe? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> I've heard of it but I have not tried it. From what I've seen on >>>>>> cooking shows it definitely needs to be long soaked to remove the salt >>>>>> used to preserve it. Nice of you to give it a try. I doubt I can find >>>>>> anything like it near where I live. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jill >>>>> That depends entirely on taste, the Jamaican dish I used to do >>>>> required very little de-salting. >>>> >>>> Was that salt cod and ackee? We had a Jamaican nanny many years ago who >>>> prepared that for us. Very unusual:-) She also introduced us to rice >>>> with peas, i.e., rice, red beans and coconut. >>> >>> You guessed it! My father was born in the barracks in Kingston just >>> ahead of the major earthquake, he retained a love of Jamaican food all >>> his life. >>> >> Okay, well joecool was posting about using it in an Italian or >> Portuguese dish and that's what I saw on the cooking show. I really >> don't know a thing about baccala other than what I saw on the show. >> >> Jill >> > >I should note that I had seen baccalŕ before stored at room temp, the fish >looking stiff as a board. The type of salt cod Costco carried was just firm >to the touch, skinned and deboned. > >I actually heard the room temp stable salt cod does well soaking for 2 >days. There are also apparently pre-soaked ones for sale. > >It still held a good salty flavor once cooked, I can imagine it would be >good in a chowder or stew in place of clams. > >Joe Salt cod was a staple here in NS, though like everything else with the demise of cod, it's pricy now. The trade was great back in the day with Jamaica, rum in exchange for salt cod. |
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On 2018-12-28 1:16 p.m., joecool wrote:
> I should note that I had seen baccalĂ* before stored at room temp, the fish > looking stiff as a board. The type of salt cod Costco carried was just firm > to the touch, skinned and deboned. > > I actually heard the room temp stable salt cod does well soaking for 2 > days. There are also apparently pre-soaked ones for sale. > > It still held a good salty flavor once cooked, I can imagine it would be > good in a chowder or stew in place of clams. > They usually have it for sale at the local Zehr's store. It sits out in a big basket and is stiff as a board. I should try it in a restaurant some time. I don't have any qualms about eating it. I just don't want to go to all the work to prepare it if it in isn't great. |
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On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 11:51:26 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-12-28 1:16 p.m., joecool wrote: > > > I should note that I had seen baccalĂ* before stored at room temp, the fish > > looking stiff as a board. The type of salt cod Costco carried was just firm > > to the touch, skinned and deboned. > > > > I actually heard the room temp stable salt cod does well soaking for 2 > > days. There are also apparently pre-soaked ones for sale. > > > > It still held a good salty flavor once cooked, I can imagine it would be > > good in a chowder or stew in place of clams. > > > > They usually have it for sale at the local Zehr's store. It sits out in > a big basket and is stiff as a board. I should try it in a restaurant > some time. I don't have any qualms about eating it. I just don't want to > go to all the work to prepare it if it in isn't great. Swedish folks like to prepare their salt cod by soaking it in lye for a couple of days. My understanding is that it turns fish into a jelly-like substance/material/mass. It then has to be soaked in water for a few days to neutralize the caustic and dangerous lye. They like to serve this during the holidays. Somehow, abusing fish in this manner is their idea of being "festive." It's no wonder they have such a high suicide rate. |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 22:56:47 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote: >On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 11:51:26 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >> On 2018-12-28 1:16 p.m., joecool wrote: >> >> They usually have it for sale at the local Zehr's store. It sits out in >> a big basket and is stiff as a board. I should try it in a restaurant >> some time. I don't have any qualms about eating it. I just don't want to >> go to all the work to prepare it if it in isn't great. > >Swedish folks like to prepare their salt cod by soaking it in lye for a couple of days. My understanding is that it turns fish into a jelly-like substance/material/mass. It then has to be soaked in water for a few days to neutralize the caustic and dangerous lye. They like to serve this during the holidays. Somehow, abusing fish in this manner is their idea of being "festive." It's no wonder they have such a high suicide rate. Suicide rate per 100,000 people per year: Sweden 11.7 United States 28 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate> |
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 11:23:47 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote: >On 12/28/2018 7:51 AM, wrote: >> On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 00:03:16 -0500, jmcquown > >> wrote: >> >>> I've heard of it but I have not tried it. From what I've seen on >>> cooking shows it definitely needs to be long soaked to remove the salt >>> used to preserve it. Nice of you to give it a try. I doubt I can find >>> anything like it near where I live. >>> >>> Jill >> That depends entirely on taste, the Jamaican dish I used to do >> required very little de-salting. Maybe an hour to two hours in some >> water. >> >> Here it is sold in packets, the more expensive are fillets and the >> cheaper are pieces and trimmings. Choice depends on how you want to >> use it. Salted it is shelf stable. >> >Yes, it's shelf stable. People on ships coming to the "new world" >salted fish for that very reason. I can't speak to what you made but 2 >hours sounds like a long enough soak to me. What I saw was an Italian >dish. I did not pay strict attention because I know I cannot find >baccala where I live so will never have a chance to try it. Ok, who's going to tell this poor woman where she can buy baccala online? |
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On 2018-12-28 11:56 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > Swedish folks like to prepare their salt cod by soaking it in lye for a couple of days. My understanding is that it turns fish into a jelly-like substance/material/mass. It then has to be soaked in water for a few days to neutralize the caustic and dangerous lye. They like to serve this during the holidays. Somehow, abusing fish in this manner is their idea of being "festive." It's no wonder they have such a high suicide rate. > The US rate is higher! Which food is responsible? |
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On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 10:40:48 AM UTC-5, graham wrote:
> On 2018-12-28 11:56 p.m., dsi1 wrote: > > > > > Swedish folks like to prepare their salt cod by soaking it in lye for a couple of days. My understanding is that it turns fish into a jelly-like substance/material/mass. It then has to be soaked in water for a few days to neutralize the caustic and dangerous lye. They like to serve this during the holidays. Somehow, abusing fish in this manner is their idea of being "festive." It's no wonder they have such a high suicide rate. > > > The US rate is higher! Which food is responsible? Buffalo wings Cindy Hamilton |
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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 10:40:48 AM UTC-5, graham wrote: > > The US rate is higher! Which food is responsible? > > Buffalo wings Heh. Not a bad way to go out though imo. :-D |
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On 2018-12-29 12:15 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 10:40:48 AM UTC-5, graham wrote: >> On 2018-12-28 11:56 p.m., dsi1 wrote: >> >>> >>> Swedish folks like to prepare their salt cod by soaking it in lye for a couple of days. My understanding is that it turns fish into a jelly-like substance/material/mass. It then has to be soaked in water for a few days to neutralize the caustic and dangerous lye. They like to serve this during the holidays. Somehow, abusing fish in this manner is their idea of being "festive." It's no wonder they have such a high suicide rate. >>> >> The US rate is higher! Which food is responsible? > > Buffalo wings > Ah, I see.... mild, medium hot and suicide. |
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graham wrote:
> On 2018-12-28 11:56 p.m., dsi1 wrote: > > > > > Swedish folks like to prepare their salt cod by soaking it in lye > > for a couple of days. My understanding is that it turns fish into a > > jelly-like substance/material/mass. It then has to be soaked in > > water for a few days to neutralize the caustic and dangerous lye. > > They like to serve this during the holidays. Somehow, abusing fish > > in this manner is their idea of being "festive." It's no wonder > > they have such a high suicide rate. > > > The US rate is higher! Which food is responsible? Eating Turkey again so soon for the USA? (sad smile, not grinning at our suicide rates at all). |
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On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 5:40:48 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> On 2018-12-28 11:56 p.m., dsi1 wrote: > > > > > Swedish folks like to prepare their salt cod by soaking it in lye for a couple of days. My understanding is that it turns fish into a jelly-like substance/material/mass. It then has to be soaked in water for a few days to neutralize the caustic and dangerous lye. They like to serve this during the holidays. Somehow, abusing fish in this manner is their idea of being "festive." It's no wonder they have such a high suicide rate. > > > The US rate is higher! Which food is responsible? That's a good question. My guess is that it's not food but the feelings of isolation and alienation brought on by our always connected society. My guess is that the young people in this country are feeling the squeeze of their diminishing quality of life and outlook for the future. The alarming rise in the suicide rate will probably be accompanied by a drop in the population growth rate in the US. Well, that's my feeling about it anyway. The picture ain't as rosy as the boomers paint it. They got the luxury of owning a home and being able to deny that the earth's climate is increasing in temperature at an alarming rate because mostly, it won't affect their self-indulgent asses. The young folks don't. |
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On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 5:31:54 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 5:40:48 AM UTC-10, graham wrote: > > On 2018-12-28 11:56 p.m., dsi1 wrote: > > > > > > > > Swedish folks like to prepare their salt cod by soaking it in lye for a couple of days. My understanding is that it turns fish into a jelly-like substance/material/mass. It then has to be soaked in water for a few days to neutralize the caustic and dangerous lye. They like to serve this during the holidays. Somehow, abusing fish in this manner is their idea of being "festive." It's no wonder they have such a high suicide rate. > > > > > The US rate is higher! Which food is responsible? > > That's a good question. My guess is that it's not food but the feelings of isolation and alienation brought on by our always connected society. My guess is that the young people in this country are feeling the squeeze of their diminishing quality of life and outlook for the future. The alarming rise in the suicide rate will probably be accompanied by a drop in the population growth rate in the US. Well, that's my feeling about it anyway. > > The picture ain't as rosy as the boomers paint it. They got the luxury of owning a home and being able to deny that the earth's climate is increasing in temperature at an alarming rate because mostly, it won't affect their self-indulgent asses. The young folks don't. Suicide rates are highest among middle-aged men: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States#Number_of_suicides_by _age_group_and_sex> Your cohort. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 2018-12-30 6:40 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 5:31:54 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote: >> On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 5:40:48 AM UTC-10, graham wrote: >>> On 2018-12-28 11:56 p.m., dsi1 wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Swedish folks like to prepare their salt cod by soaking it in lye for a couple of days. My understanding is that it turns fish into a jelly-like substance/material/mass. It then has to be soaked in water for a few days to neutralize the caustic and dangerous lye. They like to serve this during the holidays. Somehow, abusing fish in this manner is their idea of being "festive." It's no wonder they have such a high suicide rate. >>>> >>> The US rate is higher! Which food is responsible? >> >> That's a good question. My guess is that it's not food but the feelings of isolation and alienation brought on by our always connected society. My guess is that the young people in this country are feeling the squeeze of their diminishing quality of life and outlook for the future. The alarming rise in the suicide rate will probably be accompanied by a drop in the population growth rate in the US. Well, that's my feeling about it anyway. >> >> The picture ain't as rosy as the boomers paint it. They got the luxury of owning a home and being able to deny that the earth's climate is increasing in temperature at an alarming rate because mostly, it won't affect their self-indulgent asses. The young folks don't. > > Suicide rates are highest among middle-aged men: > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States#Number_of_suicides_by _age_group_and_sex> > > Your cohort. > There are successful and unsuccessful attempts at suicide. While suicide rates vary from one country or region to another, one of the constants is that men are generally better than women at killing themselves. Hence, more male than female suicides and more female than male attempts. There have been rash of suicides in nearby St.Catharines. There is a nice new bridge that has become a favourite launching pad. Since it is on a main artery to one section of the city and it spans a river valley with a major highway, the suicides result in major traffic problems due lengthy road closures for police investigations. That means that the suicides end up in the news. Well meaning friends and sympathetic members of the public put up little monuments to the people who killed themselves. Then the troubles people city are drawn to it like a bunch of lemmings. People are demanding that there be barriers set up to try to prevent people from jumping. It's a damned shame that we can't have a really nice looking bridge without ruining the aesthetics of the design with barriers. There was a bit of controversy when the city decided to remove all the commemorations. They thought, quite rightly, that it was better not to draw attention to the bridge. FWIW, the same city has a skyway bridge over a canal that has been the demise of countless jumpers over the years. It never became as controversial as this new bridge because the suicides were not publicized. The authorities know that letting the public know that a location has been the site of a successful suicide will attract more of them. |
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On Thu, 03 Jan 2019 09:06:12 GMT, Pamela >
wrote: >On 07:13 29 Dec 2018, Bruce > wrote in : > >> On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 22:56:47 -0800 (PST), dsi1 > >> wrote: >> >>>On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 11:51:26 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >>>> On 2018-12-28 1:16 p.m., joecool wrote: >>>> >>>> They usually have it for sale at the local Zehr's store. It sits out >>>> in a big basket and is stiff as a board. I should try it in a >>>> restaurant some time. I don't have any qualms about eating it. I just >>>> don't want to go to all the work to prepare it if it in isn't great. >>> >>>Swedish folks like to prepare their salt cod by soaking it in lye for a >>>couple of days. My understanding is that it turns fish into a >>>jelly-like substance/material/mass. It then has to be soaked in water >>>for a few days to neutralize the caustic and dangerous lye. They like >>>to serve this during the holidays. Somehow, abusing fish in this manner >>>is their idea of being "festive." It's no wonder they have such a high >>>suicide rate. >> >> Suicide rate per 100,000 people per year: >> Sweden 11.7 >> United States 28 >> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate> > >Where on that page does it say 28 for the United States? > >The page I see says it's 13.7. I must have gotten my wires crossed, but it's till higher than Sweden. |
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On 2019-01-03 4:06 a.m., Pamela wrote:
> On 07:13 29 Dec 2018, Bruce > wrote in > : > >> On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 22:56:47 -0800 (PST), dsi1 > >> wrote: >> >>> On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 11:51:26 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote: >>>> On 2018-12-28 1:16 p.m., joecool wrote: >>>> >>>> They usually have it for sale at the local Zehr's store. It sits out >>>> in a big basket and is stiff as a board. I should try it in a >>>> restaurant some time. I don't have any qualms about eating it. I just >>>> don't want to go to all the work to prepare it if it in isn't great. >>> >>> Swedish folks like to prepare their salt cod by soaking it in lye for a >>> couple of days. My understanding is that it turns fish into a >>> jelly-like substance/material/mass. It then has to be soaked in water >>> for a few days to neutralize the caustic and dangerous lye. They like >>> to serve this during the holidays. Somehow, abusing fish in this manner >>> is their idea of being "festive." It's no wonder they have such a high >>> suicide rate. >> >> Suicide rate per 100,000 people per year: >> Sweden 11.7 >> United States 28 >> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate> > > Where on that page does it say 28 for the United States? > > The page I see says it's 13.7. > > In the second chart the US was ranked no.28 for suicide rate per 100,000 (averaged over the years from 1985-2017). |
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On 2019-01-03 11:03 a.m., Pamela wrote:
> On 10:12 3 Jan 2019, Bruce > wrote in >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate> >>> >>> Where on that page does it say 28 for the United States? >>> >>> The page I see says it's 13.7. >> >> I must have gotten my wires crossed, but it's till higher than Sweden. > > You were posting false data. > > You tried to give it credibility by providing a link even though it didn't > support your claim. > There were two lists on that page page, the top one was for the year 2017, and the one further down showed the average rate for 1995-2017. The US suicide rate is higher than Sweden's in both lists. |
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On 2019-01-03 11:31 a.m., Pamela wrote:
> On 16:19 3 Jan 2019, Dave Smith > wrote in > : > >> On 2019-01-03 11:03 a.m., Pamela wrote: >>> On 10:12 3 Jan 2019, Bruce > wrote in >> >> >>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate> >>>>> >>>>> Where on that page does it say 28 for the United States? >>>>> >>>>> The page I see says it's 13.7. >>>> >>>> I must have gotten my wires crossed, but it's till higher than >>>> Sweden. >>> >>> You were posting false data. >>> >>> You tried to give it credibility by providing a link even though it >>> didn't support your claim. >>> >> >> There were two lists on that page page, the top one was for the year >> 2017, and the one further down showed the average rate for 1995-2017. >> The US suicide rate is higher than Sweden's in both lists. > > In neither list is it anything close to 28, as stated by Bruce. That's the > lie. > In the list of suicide rates per 100,000 1985 to 2017, US was ranked no. 28. Sweden and Portugal were tied in 38th spot. |
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On 2019-01-03 11:32 a.m., Pamela wrote:
> On 16:05 3 Jan 2019, Dave Smith > wrote in > : > >> On 2019-01-03 4:06 a.m., Pamela wrote: >>> On 07:13 29 Dec 2018, Bruce > wrote in >>> : >>> >>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 22:56:47 -0800 (PST), dsi1 > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 11:51:26 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On 2018-12-28 1:16 p.m., joecool wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> They usually have it for sale at the local Zehr's store. It sits >>>>>> out in a big basket and is stiff as a board. I should try it in a >>>>>> restaurant some time. I don't have any qualms about eating it. I >>>>>> just don't want to go to all the work to prepare it if it in isn't >>>>>> great. >>>>> >>>>> Swedish folks like to prepare their salt cod by soaking it in lye >>>>> for a couple of days. My understanding is that it turns fish into a >>>>> jelly-like substance/material/mass. It then has to be soaked in >>>>> water for a few days to neutralize the caustic and dangerous lye. >>>>> They like to serve this during the holidays. Somehow, abusing fish >>>>> in this manner is their idea of being "festive." It's no wonder they >>>>> have such a high suicide rate. >>>> >>>> Suicide rate per 100,000 people per year: >>>> Sweden 11.7 >>>> United States 28 >>>> >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate> >>> >>> Where on that page does it say 28 for the United States? >>> >>> The page I see says it's 13.7. >>> >>> >> >> In the second chart the US was ranked no.28 for suicide rate per >> 100,000 (averaged over the years from 1985-2017). > > You're saying he can't read a table and ended up comparing two entirely > different things as a way of supporting his argument. You are the one denying that there is a number 28 associated with the US. dsi1 was the one who suggested a link between suicide and the Swedish treatment of salted fish. Graham pointed out that the US rate was higher. Bruce did confuse the numbers. I am not going to make excuses for him, but the rankings do show that the US suicide rate is higher. |
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 11:19:06 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote: >On 2019-01-03 11:03 a.m., Pamela wrote: >> On 10:12 3 Jan 2019, Bruce > wrote in > > >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate> >>>> >>>> Where on that page does it say 28 for the United States? >>>> >>>> The page I see says it's 13.7. >>> >>> I must have gotten my wires crossed, but it's till higher than Sweden. >> >> You were posting false data. >> >> You tried to give it credibility by providing a link even though it didn't >> support your claim. >> > >There were two lists on that page page, the top one was for the year >2017, and the one further down showed the average rate for 1995-2017. >The US suicide rate is higher than Sweden's in both lists. Point made, thank you. |
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On Thu, 03 Jan 2019 17:35:54 GMT, Pamela >
wrote: >On 16:49 3 Jan 2019, Dave Smith > wrote in : > >> On 2019-01-03 11:31 a.m., Pamela wrote: >>> On 16:19 3 Jan 2019, Dave Smith > wrote in >>> : >>> >>>> On 2019-01-03 11:03 a.m., Pamela wrote: >>>>> On 10:12 3 Jan 2019, Bruce > wrote in >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Where on that page does it say 28 for the United States? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The page I see says it's 13.7. >>>>>> >>>>>> I must have gotten my wires crossed, but it's till higher than >>>>>> Sweden. >>>>> >>>>> You were posting false data. >>>>> >>>>> You tried to give it credibility by providing a link even though it >>>>> didn't support your claim. >>>>> >>>> >>>> There were two lists on that page page, the top one was for the year >>>> 2017, and the one further down showed the average rate for 1995-2017. >>>> The US suicide rate is higher than Sweden's in both lists. >>> >>> In neither list is it anything close to 28, as stated by Bruce. >>> That's the lie. >>> >> >> In the list of suicide rates per 100,000 1985 to 2017, US was ranked >> no. 28. Sweden and Portugal were tied in 38th spot. > >How does that support Bruce's false allegation that there are 28 suicides >per 100,000 in the US every year? I already told you I made a mistake. You're not too bright, are you? |
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On 2019-01-03 12:34 p.m., Pamela wrote:
> On 16:57 3 Jan 2019, Dave Smith > wrote in > Bruce posted: > > Suicide rate per 100,000 people per year: > Sweden 11.7 > United States 28 > > It is false to claim the US suidice rate per year is 28 oer 100,000. Yes. Bruce ****ed up. And you responded to him with "Where on that page does it say 28 for the United States? " I pointed out where it said 28 and the United States, and that it was the ranking shown for the US in the second list, the one that average the suicides over a period of time. > > However the real point is you are a dork for trying to weave a false > defense. Move on and goof up some other thread. > Really? I thought the thread would better show that you are the dork for trying to dispute the claim that the suicide rate for the US was higher than Sweden's and harping over one mistaken figure from a reference that has two different list that both show they US rate higher than Sweden's. |
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On 2019-01-03 12:35 p.m., Pamela wrote:
> On 16:49 3 Jan 2019, Dave Smith > wrote in >>> In neither list is it anything close to 28, as stated by Bruce. >>> That's the lie. >>> >> >> In the list of suicide rates per 100,000 1985 to 2017, US was ranked >> no. 28. Sweden and Portugal were tied in 38th spot. > > How does that support Bruce's false allegation that there are 28 suicides > per 100,000 in the US every year? Learn to read. I never said the US rate was 28 per 100,000. When you made the false allegation about it not saying anything about 28 for the US I checked the link and said that it showed the US ranked at 28. |
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 14:10:44 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote: >On 2019-01-03 12:34 p.m., Pamela wrote: >> On 16:57 3 Jan 2019, Dave Smith > wrote in > >> Bruce posted: >> >> Suicide rate per 100,000 people per year: >> Sweden 11.7 >> United States 28 >> >> It is false to claim the US suidice rate per year is 28 oer 100,000. > > >Yes. Bruce ****ed up. >And you responded to him with "Where on that page does it say 28 for the >United States? " > >I pointed out where it said 28 and the United States, and that it was >the ranking shown for the US in the second list, the one that average >the suicides over a period of time. > >> >> However the real point is you are a dork for trying to weave a false >> defense. Move on and goof up some other thread. >> > >Really? I thought the thread would better show that you are the dork for >trying to dispute the claim that the suicide rate for the US was higher >than Sweden's and harping over one mistaken figure from a reference that >has two different list that both show they US rate higher than Sweden's. That. |
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On Thu, 03 Jan 2019 22:18:13 GMT, Pamela >
wrote: >On 19:13 3 Jan 2019, Dave Smith > wrote in : > >> Learn to read. I never said the US rate was 28 per 100,000. > >Yes you said exactly that. You wrote this: > > Suicide rate per 100,000 people per year: > Sweden 11.7 > United States 28 > >See it he http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154655369400 > >> When you made the false allegation about it not saying anything about >> 28 for the US I checked the link and said that it showed the US ranked >> at 28. > >I said the suicide rate per 100,000 for the US is not 28, which is what you >were falsely claiming. > >The fact is you were so inccmpetent that you misread the Wikipedia article >and picked the ranking for the rate. What a dunce! The real dunce is you. For blaming Dave for a mistake that I made. And for quoting my text and thinking that Dave wrote that. Boy, this Pamela guy, what a dunce! |
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On Thu, 03 Jan 2019 23:19:05 GMT, Pamela >
wrote: >On 22:26 3 Jan 2019, Bruce > wrote in : > >> On Thu, 03 Jan 2019 22:18:13 GMT, Pamela > >> wrote: >> >>>On 19:13 3 Jan 2019, Dave Smith > wrote in : >>> >>>> Learn to read. I never said the US rate was 28 per 100,000. >>> >>>Yes you said exactly that. You wrote this: >>> >>> Suicide rate per 100,000 people per year: >>> Sweden 11.7 >>> United States 28 >>> >>>See it he http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154655369400 >>> >>>> When you made the false allegation about it not saying anything about >>>> 28 for the US I checked the link and said that it showed the US >>>> ranked at 28. >>> >>>I said the suicide rate per 100,000 for the US is not 28, which is what >>>you were falsely claiming. >>> >>>The fact is you were so inccmpetent that you misread the Wikipedia >>>article and picked the ranking for the rate. What a dunce! >> >> The real dunce is you. For blaming Dave for a mistake that I made. And >> for quoting my text and thinking that Dave wrote that. Boy, this >> Pamela guy, what a dunce! > >Ed sounded so like you, for a moment I thought he was your dummy. :) > >Are you denying you said the annual suicide rate in the US is 28 (per >100,000) and in Sweden it is 11.7? Of course I don't deny that. I have already said 2 times that I made a mistake. Just like you made a mistake by quoting me and attributing the text to Dave. Now the question is: will YOU admit YOUR mistake? |
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On Thu, 03 Jan 2019 23:03:22 GMT, Pamela >
wrote: >On 18:31 3 Jan 2019, Bruce > wrote in : > >> On Thu, 03 Jan 2019 17:35:54 GMT, Pamela > >> wrote: >> >>>On 16:49 3 Jan 2019, Dave Smith > wrote in : >>> >>>> In the list of suicide rates per 100,000 1985 to 2017, US was ranked >>>> no. 28. Sweden and Portugal were tied in 38th spot. >>> >>>How does that support Bruce's false allegation that there are 28 >>>suicides per 100,000 in the US every year? >> >> I already told you I made a mistake. You're not too bright, are you? > >Dave Smith isn't too bright because he's been defending your mistake so >vigourously that I can hardly tell you apart. The US rate is still higher than the Swedish rate. Only a bit higher, nor twice as high, as I first said. That's what Dave confirmed. He also explained where my incorrect "28" came from. Anyway, aren't you getting tired of yourself? :) |
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On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 00:11:51 GMT, Pamela >
wrote: >On 23:38 3 Jan 2019, Bruce > wrote in : > >> On Thu, 03 Jan 2019 23:19:05 GMT, Pamela > >> wrote: >> >>>On 22:26 3 Jan 2019, Bruce > wrote in : >>> >>>> On Thu, 03 Jan 2019 22:18:13 GMT, Pamela > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On 19:13 3 Jan 2019, Dave Smith > wrote in : >>>>> >>>>>> Learn to read. I never said the US rate was 28 per 100,000. >>>>> >>>>>Yes you said exactly that. You wrote this: >>>>> >>>>> Suicide rate per 100,000 people per year: >>>>> Sweden 11.7 >>>>> United States 28 >>>>> >>>>>See it he http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154655369400 >>>>> >>>>>> When you made the false allegation about it not saying anything >>>>>> about 28 for the US I checked the link and said that it showed the >>>>>> US ranked at 28. >>>>> >>>>>I said the suicide rate per 100,000 for the US is not 28, which is >>>>>what you were falsely claiming. >>>>> >>>>>The fact is you were so inccmpetent that you misread the Wikipedia >>>>>article and picked the ranking for the rate. What a dunce! >>>> >>>> The real dunce is you. For blaming Dave for a mistake that I made. >>>> And for quoting my text and thinking that Dave wrote that. Boy, this >>>> Pamela guy, what a dunce! >>> >>>Ed sounded so like you, for a moment I thought he was your dummy. :) >>> >>>Are you denying you said the annual suicide rate in the US is 28 (per >>>100,000) and in Sweden it is 11.7? >> >> Of course I don't deny that. I have already said 2 times that I made a >> mistake. Just like you made a mistake by quoting me and attributing >> the text to Dave. Now the question is: will YOU admit YOUR mistake? > >The mistake I made is of no significance because addressing the >ventriloquist by speaking to the dummy, still gets a reply from the >ventriloquist. :) Dave and I get along so well that he has me killfiled so you're barking up the wrong tree. |
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On 2019-01-03 5:18 p.m., Pamela wrote:
> On 19:13 3 Jan 2019, Dave Smith > wrote in > >> When you made the false allegation about it not saying anything about >> 28 for the US I checked the link and said that it showed the US ranked >> at 28. > > I said the suicide rate per 100,000 for the US is not 28, which is what you > were falsely claiming. You have once again demonstrated that you need to learn to read. I have said several times that the the US ranked 28th. > > The fact is you were so inccmpetent that you misread the Wikipedia article > and picked the ranking for the rate. What a dunce! > Cut and pasted from the list further down that page with the ranking of countries' cuidide rates from 1985-2017.: 28 United States[45] (more info) 21.8 6.0 13.9 (0.0126%) 2016 |
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On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 10:09:23 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>In article >, says... >> >> On 2019-01-03 12:35 p.m., Pamela wrote: >> > On 16:49 3 Jan 2019, Dave Smith > wrote in >> >> >>> In neither list is it anything close to 28, as stated by Bruce. >> >>> That's the lie. >> >>> >> >> >> >> In the list of suicide rates per 100,000 1985 to 2017, US was ranked >> >> no. 28. Sweden and Portugal were tied in 38th spot. >> > >> > How does that support Bruce's false allegation that there are 28 suicides >> > per 100,000 in the US every year? >> >> Learn to read. I never said the US rate was 28 per 100,000. > > But Bruce did: he posted. > > " Suicide rate per 100,000 people per year: > Sweden 11.7 > United States 28" Just because I said it, doesn't mean Dave said it. The opposite is also true: what Dave says, I don't say. Why do I have to explain this? |
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