On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:23:45 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 11/15/2018 7:39 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:44:52 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/14/2018 10:59 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:10:49 +1100, Brice >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The world must be a source of constant surprises for you guys
>>>>
>>>> You just don't understand our point of view (no, really). And we don't
>>>> understand you. You claim you're NOT (and have never been) a
>>>> vegetarian, but go on and on with this same sort of shit which on the
>>>> face of it, makes no sense. You must be choosing to omit some
>>>> important relevent personal (or other) detail, for reasons best known
>>>> to yourself. Whatever.
>>>>
>>> He's a vegetarian who eats fish. They're known as pescetarians.
>>
>> He told me the other day that he never claimed to be a vegetarian on
>> this group.
>>
>I don't care what he claims. I know what agenda he's been promoting.
>So do you.

Yes

On 11/15/2018 1:44 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Wed 14 Nov 2018 09:54:13p, Jeßus told us...
>
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 01:14:25 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 01:02 15 Nov 2018, Jeßus > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>> <snip>
>>>> animal products, even in tourist areas Millennials in
>>>> particular are just the worst, most obnoxious to deal with. They
>>>> have no respect for anybody, or the culture of the countries
>>>> they are guests in.
>>>
>>> Interesting comment about Millenials: they're self-absorbed and
>>> self- important whilst being easily offended. This is a
>>> generation that's storing up mental health problems for itself,
>>> revolving around ideas of narcissistic entitlement and then
>>> feeling thwarted when reality doesn't deliver their expectations.
>>> They create an emotional roller coaster for themsleves but are
>>> emotionally very poorly prepared for it.
>>
>> That's an accurate observation. I think with the millennial
>> generation, it's far more then the traditional generation gap
>> thing going on. They seem to have a complete lack of forethought
>> about the long-term implications of their attitude/beliefs. They
>> have no concept why their ideas are unsustainable in the long
>> term.
>>

There is a new Millennial version of the classic board game 'Monopoly'.
Rather than earn money, buy property and work, they're playing for
"experiences". Like being able to go to a music festival. It's a
sardonic twist on the original game. It makes fun of their entitled
idea of life:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ls/2003129002/

The Monopoly guy is wearing earbuds and holding a cup of coffee. And
saying "Forget about real estate, you can't afford it anyway." LOLOL

Jill

On 11/15/2018 9:36 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 8:57:05 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:48:04 +1100, Brice >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 01:29:53 GMT, Pamela >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 01:24 15 Nov 2018, Brice > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 01:14:25 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most veggies I know are motivated by animal compassion. Fair enough
>>>>>>> although I don't agree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I don't agree with compassion for animals." Strange statement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try this instead: I am not primarily motivated by exaggerated compassion
>>>>> for animals.
>>>>
>>>> What about "My tastebuds are more important than animals." Mine are
>>>> more important than fish, although it's close.
>>>>
>>>>>>> One veggie I know sees animals are more
>>>>>>> important than humans and that tells me something's not quite right
>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm even more against consumption of humans. Does that help?
>>>>>
>>>>> To be clear, my friend would rather a human being die than an animal.
>>>>>
>>>>> She and I don't talk about this much as she is on a short fuse and will
>>>>> fly into a rage if she reminds herself of the injustices animals face.
>>>>
>>>> I think that's going too far. Although I'd have a hard time choosing
>>>> between Donald Trump and the neighbour's dog.
>>>
>>> There's a thought. Let's hope the next Prez is female... (get that one
>>> last roadblock out of the way and make the hipsters happy). Then we
>>> can push for species-diversity-equality. I want to see a dog become
>>> president.
>>
>> Could be a little tricky meeting the age requirement. Very few dogs
>> live to be 35.
>
> All our dogs lived to at least 15 (human years). In dog years, that's
> age 105.
>
> Janet UK
>
There is already a dog in the White House. I won't say anything else.

Jill

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:48:41 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 22:23 15 Nov 2018, Brice > wrote in
:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 22:12:09 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 22:01 15 Nov 2018, Brice > wrote in
:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:50:42 GMT, Pamela >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 21:10 15 Nov 2018, Brice > wrote in
om:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 16:00:42 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Maybe it was a donor horse. Or roadkill. OTOH, if I needed a
>>>>>>>lifesaving medicine that is only made in gel form, it is crazy not
>>>>>>>to take it and die. If you are talking vitamin D supplements,
>>>>>>>different story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I'd eat a cow to save my life. But I think most medication
>>>>>> comes in vegan form these days. If not, tough luck.
>>>>>
>>>>>Where do you get the idea that "most medication comes in vegan form
>>>>>these days"? In my experience (when tending for my friend) there
>>>>>are few prescription meds capsules that are not gelatin.
>>>>
>>>> Let's keep it simple: If a vegan or a vegetarian has a choice
>>>> between consuming animal based gelatin or suffering severe health
>>>> consequences, then I'd suggest that they take the gelatin. I would.
>>>> If it can be avoided, I'd recommend avoiding it. I would.
>>>
>>>There is no choice. You're making that up.
>>>
>>>Can you state which meds you're thinking of which come in a choice of
>>>felatin adn non-gelatin capsules?
>>
>> How should I know? If there are no vegetarian alternatives and the
>> medication is important, then I'd suggest taking the stuff. I already
>> said that.
>>
>> You're looking for nonexistent problems. If you're trying to make life
>> difficult, I'd suggest you become a vegan.
>
>You're offering a non-existent solution. There's no such option as you
>describe. Your counsel does not lead to a solution.

Then just eat it. I've said it numerous times now. You're looking for
a disagreement where there is none. Are you bored or something?

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:28:46 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 11/15/2018 7:26 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:48:16 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/14/2018 11:37 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 22:20:59 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I find it amusing when people pretend 'Fish is not meat'. It;s a middl
>>>>> ages European thing that the rest of the world doesn't buy into.
>>>>
>>>> 'European thing'. Umm, OK.
>>>>
>>> I think that harks back to old world Catholism. No meat on Friday but
>>> fish was okay. Just guessing!
>>
>> Yes, you could be right Jill.
>>
>I don't really know what cshenk (Carol) was thinking when she said it
>was middle ages European. <shrug>

She's gone with the fairies most of the time.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 07:39:25 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:44:52 -0500, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 11/14/2018 10:59 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:10:49 +1100, Brice >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The world must be a source of constant surprises for you guys
>>>
>>> You just don't understand our point of view (no, really). And we don't
>>> understand you. You claim you're NOT (and have never been) a
>>> vegetarian, but go on and on with this same sort of shit which on the
>>> face of it, makes no sense. You must be choosing to omit some
>>> important relevent personal (or other) detail, for reasons best known
>>> to yourself. Whatever.
>>>
>>He's a vegetarian who eats fish. They're known as pescetarians.
>
>He told me the other day that he never claimed to be a vegetarian on
>this group.

Jill's right. Although a vegetarian who eats fish is like a virgin who
has sex. There ain't no such thing. I'm a pescatarian.

On 11/15/2018 7:53 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 06:12:52 +1100, Brice >
> wrote:
>
>
>> Good point. Older folk have always been bitching about younger
>> generations.
>
> As I have already addressed elsewhere, this is not your normal
> generation gap issue.
>
>> Maybe Millennials aren't so different. Besides, what else
>> is work ethic good for, except being mocked?
>
> If you want to finacially support them, go right ahead.
>
I just mentioned the new edition of the board game 'Monopoly'. The new
edition makes fun of the lack of goals.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ls/2003129002/

Some comments:

"The box for the game shows Mr. Monopoly taking a selfie, wearing
headphones and a participation medal and holding a coffee. The taglines
read: €œForget real estate, you cant afford it anyway,€� and €œAdulting is
hard. You deserve a break from the rat race!€� Rather than win by
collecting the most money, the game prompts players to collect
experiences€”including visiting a friends couch, going to a vegan
bistro, and hitting a week-long meditation retreat. Game pieces include
a hashtag and crying emoji."

Jill

On 11/15/2018 5:48 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>>
> I think that harks back to old world Catholism.Â* No meat on Friday but
> fish was okay.Â* Just guessing!
>
> Jill

The purpose is to do a little sacrifice. You can't have a hot dog so
instead you have a lobster for penance. I wondered about that in 4th
grade.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 07:53:56 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 06:12:52 +1100, Brice >
>wrote:
>
>
>>Good point. Older folk have always been bitching about younger
>>generations.
>
>As I have already addressed elsewhere, this is not your normal
>generation gap issue.

I think it is. You're all gloom and doom about everything, but this is
just old vs. young. As per normal.

>>Maybe Millennials aren't so different. Besides, what else
>>is work ethic good for, except being mocked?
>
>If you want to finacially support them, go right ahead.

Work ethic sounds almost religious to me. I don't work for some moral
reason. Just to pay the bills.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 07:58:31 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:39:19 -0500, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 11/14/2018 8:08 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>
>>> LOL. Vegetarian food made to emulate meat particularly amuses me.
>>>
>>It amuses me, too! Boca Burgers Morningstar Farms faux meat products.
>>Ever read the ingredients lists on those things? Vegetarians apparently
>>don't have a moral dilemma when it comes to ingesting chemicals.
>
>When I was young and thought I knew it all, I was a vegetarian for a
>few years. I tried all manner of faux meat products... and every
>single one of them were disgusting in terms of flavour, texture and
>ingredients.

Asians make really nice faux meat made of gluten, but you won't find
it in a supermarket.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:26:58 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 11/15/2018 7:58 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:39:19 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/14/2018 8:08 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>>
>>>> LOL. Vegetarian food made to emulate meat particularly amuses me.
>>>>
>>> It amuses me, too! Boca Burgers Morningstar Farms faux meat products.
>>> Ever read the ingredients lists on those things? Vegetarians apparently
>>> don't have a moral dilemma when it comes to ingesting chemicals.
>>
>> When I was young and thought I knew it all, I was a vegetarian for a
>> few years. I tried all manner of faux meat products... and every
>> single one of them were disgusting in terms of flavour, texture and
>> ingredients.
>>
>>> But hey, in good weather a grill can certainly be used to cook
>>> vegetables. I frequently grill vegetables... right next to the steak.
>>
>> Absolutely. I wouldn't mind some grilled corn now.
>>
>I love grilled corn on the cob! Soak the corn in water so the husks
>don't burn. If you'd like, pull back the husks and remove the silk,
>then brush the corn with herbed butter. Pull the husks back up and
>grill. Delicious!
>
>I grill all sorts of vegetables. Different types of squash (summer and
>winter), eggplant, even cabbage wedges. But I'm *not* a vegetarian.

Ooph, I was starting to worry there!

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/15/2018 3:11 PM, Brice wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 19:27:07 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10:42 15 Nov 2018, Brice > wrote in
>>> news >>>
>>>> It sounded like you thought she was stupid because there wasn't any
>>>> animal content, whereas in reality it's almost all animal content.
>>>
>>> The capsule quantity is trivial and only an obsessive could see it as
>>> significant.
>>
>> I disagree. The capsule required the killing of an animal.
>>
>>>> Yeah, that's nuts.
>>>
>>> It's about as nuts as not taking important prescribed medicines on
>>> account of 40mg gelatin.
>>
>> I disagree. The capsule required the killing of an animal.
>>
> Maybe it was a donor horse. Or roadkill.
> OTOH, if I needed a lifesaving medicine that is only made in gel form,
> it is crazy not to take it and die. If you are talking vitamin D
> supplements, different story.

Is this a hypothetical scenario proposed by Gruce?

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:04:31 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 11/15/2018 5:48 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>>
>> I think that harks back to old world Catholism.* No meat on Friday but
>> fish was okay.* Just guessing!
>>
>> Jill
>
>The purpose is to do a little sacrifice. You can't have a hot dog so
>instead you have a lobster for penance. I wondered about that in 4th
>grade.

I don't think many Catholics in those days were able to replace meat
with lobster once a week. And the most conservative palates have a
problem with all things fishy.

Brice wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:48:11 GMT, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>> On 21:00 15 Nov 2018, Ed Pawlowski > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> On 11/15/2018 3:11 PM, Brice wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 19:27:07 GMT, Pamela >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The capsule quantity is trivial and only an obsessive could see it as
>>>>> significant.
>>>>
>>>> I disagree. The capsule required the killing of an animal.
>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, that's nuts.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's about as nuts as not taking important prescribed medicines on
>>>>> account of 40mg gelatin.
>>>>
>>>> I disagree. The capsule required the killing of an animal.
>>>>
>>> Maybe it was a donor horse. Or roadkill.
>>> OTOH, if I needed a lifesaving medicine that is only made in gel form,
>>> it is crazy not to take it and die. If you are talking vitamin D
>>> supplements, different story.
>>
>> Maybe the gelatin came from a toenail paring. Methinks Brice doth protest
>> too much.
>
> You're poking in problems that you don't have. You eat anything that
> fits in your mouth. Lucky you!
>

Be careful brice ... Homo Popeye will have a field day with that.

It's OK if you die because the medicine that could save you is animal
based. Even a cricket shouldn't be sacrificed to save yoose.

No great loss, and yoose will be happy in yoose grave.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:46:23 -0600, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>Brice wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:48:11 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 21:00 15 Nov 2018, Ed Pawlowski > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> On 11/15/2018 3:11 PM, Brice wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 19:27:07 GMT, Pamela >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The capsule quantity is trivial and only an obsessive could see it as
>>>>>> significant.
>>>>>
>>>>> I disagree. The capsule required the killing of an animal.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, that's nuts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's about as nuts as not taking important prescribed medicines on
>>>>>> account of 40mg gelatin.
>>>>>
>>>>> I disagree. The capsule required the killing of an animal.
>>>>>
>>>> Maybe it was a donor horse. Or roadkill.
>>>> OTOH, if I needed a lifesaving medicine that is only made in gel form,
>>>> it is crazy not to take it and die. If you are talking vitamin D
>>>> supplements, different story.
>>>
>>> Maybe the gelatin came from a toenail paring. Methinks Brice doth protest
>>> too much.
>>
>> You're poking in problems that you don't have. You eat anything that
>> fits in your mouth. Lucky you!
>>
>
>Be careful brice ... Homo Popeye will have a field day with that.
>
>It's OK if you die because the medicine that could save you is animal
>based. Even a cricket shouldn't be sacrificed to save yoose.
>
>No great loss, and yoose will be happy in yoose grave.

You guys can't read. You just read what you want to read. And then you
run with something nobody said. I'm starting to think too much meat
affects the brain

Je�us wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:23:45 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/15/2018 7:39 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:44:52 -0500, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/14/2018 10:59 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:10:49 +1100, Brice >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The world must be a source of constant surprises for you guys
>>>>>
>>>>> You just don't understand our point of view (no, really). And we don't
>>>>> understand you. You claim you're NOT (and have never been) a
>>>>> vegetarian, but go on and on with this same sort of shit which on the
>>>>> face of it, makes no sense. You must be choosing to omit some
>>>>> important relevent personal (or other) detail, for reasons best known
>>>>> to yourself. Whatever.
>>>>>
>>>> He's a vegetarian who eats fish. They're known as pescetarians.
>>>
>>> He told me the other day that he never claimed to be a vegetarian on
>>> this group.
>>>
>> I don't care what he claims. I know what agenda he's been promoting.
>> So do you.
>
> Yes
>

But, as big an asshole as he is, he does provide a service. You seldom
have to read an ingredient list on a store-bought product. He posts all
this in more detail than you'd ever need.

I mean, how the hell would you know what's in mayo or mustard without him?

Je�us wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:39:28 GMT, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>> On 03:59 15 Nov 2018, Jeßus > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:10:49 +1100, Brice >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:03:41 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 21:43:35 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2018-11-14 8:07 p.m., Pamela wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> At a tangent, a friend of mine is a veggie and she refuses to take
>>>>>>> medication in gelatin capsules on account of its animal content. I
>>>>>>> can only shrug my shoulders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find it disturbing that people like that would do the research to
>>>>>> find out about that sort if thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, they're out there alright... <rolls eyes>.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, there are people out there who don't want to kill animals for
>>>> human consumption. And can you believe that those people try to avoid
>>>> items with dead animals in them? It's truly unbelievable!
>>>>
>>>> The world must be a source of constant surprises for you guys
>>>
>>> You just don't understand our point of view (no, really). And we don't
>>> understand you. You claim you're NOT (and have never been) a
>>> vegetarian, but go on and on with this same sort of shit which on the
>>> face of it, makes no sense. You must be choosing to omit some
>>> important relevent personal (or other) detail, for reasons best known
>>> to yourself. Whatever.
>>
>> Brice is working really hard to counter any and every adverse
>> observation about vegetarianism. He seems on a mission but his
>> unthinking zeal is leading him into making foolish statements.
>
>
> I and many others here have been having the same arguments with him
> for years. I still don't understand his point of view, or what his
> issue really is.
>
>> I can imagine many people not eating meat and yet wearing animal
>> products. Not Brice. He has to take up the cudgels to bash that one
>> away and anything else too. Perhaps he thinks his comments are a sign
>> of a very open mind. Sigh.
>
> Of course, some people are vegetarians purely for health and not
> ethical reasons. But you don't hear much from them, or should I say,
> they get drowned out by the infinitely more vocal ethical crowd.
>

Brece would never do that.

On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
>
> There is a new Millennial version of the classic board game 'Monopoly'.
> Rather than earn money, buy property and work, they're playing for
> "experiences". Like being able to go to a music festival. It's a
> sardonic twist on the original game. It makes fun of their entitled
> idea of life:
>
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ls/2003129002/
>
> The Monopoly guy is wearing earbuds and holding a cup of coffee. And
> saying "Forget about real estate, you can't afford it anyway." LOLOL
>
> Jill
>
One of my e-mail buddies sent me this link today. The video accompanying
it was good and I scrolled down to read some of the tweets. Yep, ****ed
off and entitled millennials were commenting.

On 2018-11-15 7:06 p.m., Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>

>>> All our dogs lived to at least 15 (human years). In dog years, that's
>>> age 105.
>>
>> You must have had small dogs. They tend to live longer than big dogs.
>> Our Bouvier had to be put down at 9 due to crippling arthritus, a Lab at
>> 9 with a heart problem, a Groendahl when his hip broke. Our Malinois is
>> 13 and on his last legs. His back end is sort of falling apart and he is
>> falling over frequently.
>
> Nothing smaller than a border collie; they were all crossbreed rescues
> with some collie blood. Border collie lifespan lasts to 17.
>
> Some pure breeds today have become so inbred they carry the risk of
> inherited genetic faults and a shorter lifespan.

The rule of thumb on breed longevity is that small breeds tend to live
longer than big dogs.

On 2018-11-15 7:39 p.m., Je�us wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:44:52 -0500, jmcquown >

>> He's a vegetarian who eats fish. They're known as pescetarians.
>
> He told me the other day that he never claimed to be a vegetarian on
> this group.
>

I can't say that he ever said that he is a vegetarian, but he has
definitely said many times that he does not eat meat..... which means
that he is vegetarian.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:11:31 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-11-15 7:06 p.m., Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>
>>>> All our dogs lived to at least 15 (human years). In dog years, that's
>>>> age 105.
>>>
>>> You must have had small dogs. They tend to live longer than big dogs.
>>> Our Bouvier had to be put down at 9 due to crippling arthritus, a Lab at
>>> 9 with a heart problem, a Groendahl when his hip broke. Our Malinois is
>>> 13 and on his last legs. His back end is sort of falling apart and he is
>>> falling over frequently.
>>
>> Nothing smaller than a border collie; they were all crossbreed rescues
>> with some collie blood. Border collie lifespan lasts to 17.
>>
>> Some pure breeds today have become so inbred they carry the risk of
>> inherited genetic faults and a shorter lifespan.
>
>The rule of thumb on breed longevity is that small breeds tend to live
>longer than big dogs.

This message was brough to you by Captain Obvious. Wait for his book.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:15:44 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-11-15 7:39 p.m., Je?us wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:44:52 -0500, jmcquown >
>
>>> He's a vegetarian who eats fish. They're known as pescetarians.
>>
>> He told me the other day that he never claimed to be a vegetarian on
>> this group.
>>
>
>I can't say that he ever said that he is a vegetarian, but he has
>definitely said many times that he does not eat meat..... which means
>that he is vegetarian.

Pescatarian, pescatarian. I understand if y'all don't care what I say,
but if you're going to repeat it, get it right, please.

On 11/15/2018 11:17 PM, Brice wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:15:44 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-11-15 7:39 p.m., Je?us wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:44:52 -0500, jmcquown >
>>
>>>> He's a vegetarian who eats fish. They're known as pescetarians.
>>>
>>> He told me the other day that he never claimed to be a vegetarian on
>>> this group.
>>>
>>
>> I can't say that he ever said that he is a vegetarian, but he has
>> definitely said many times that he does not eat meat..... which means
>> that he is vegetarian.
>
> Pescatarian, pescatarian. I understand if y'all don't care what I say,
> but if you're going to repeat it, get it right, please.
>

It gets confusing. You should get a "P" tattoo or at least wear a badge
in public. Vegans can get a green "V" tattoo on the forehead, using
vegetable based dyes, of course.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:53:29 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 11/15/2018 11:17 PM, Brice wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:15:44 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-11-15 7:39 p.m., Je?us wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:44:52 -0500, jmcquown >
>>>
>>>>> He's a vegetarian who eats fish. They're known as pescetarians.
>>>>
>>>> He told me the other day that he never claimed to be a vegetarian on
>>>> this group.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I can't say that he ever said that he is a vegetarian, but he has
>>> definitely said many times that he does not eat meat..... which means
>>> that he is vegetarian.
>>
>> Pescatarian, pescatarian. I understand if y'all don't care what I say,
>> but if you're going to repeat it, get it right, please.
>>
>It gets confusing. You should get a "P" tattoo or at least wear a badge
>in public. Vegans can get a green "V" tattoo on the forehead, using
>vegetable based dyes, of course.

And carnivores get a "C" or fake little rivers of blood down their
chin?

On 11/16/2018 12:03 AM, Brice wrote:

>>>>
>>>> I can't say that he ever said that he is a vegetarian, but he has
>>>> definitely said many times that he does not eat meat..... which means
>>>> that he is vegetarian.
>>>
>>> Pescatarian, pescatarian. I understand if y'all don't care what I say,
>>> but if you're going to repeat it, get it right, please.
>>>
>> It gets confusing. You should get a "P" tattoo or at least wear a badge
>> in public. Vegans can get a green "V" tattoo on the forehead, using
>> vegetable based dyes, of course.
>
> And carnivores get a "C" or fake little rivers of blood down their
> chin?
>

We can get real blood.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 00:13:19 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 11/16/2018 12:03 AM, Brice wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't say that he ever said that he is a vegetarian, but he has
>>>>> definitely said many times that he does not eat meat..... which means
>>>>> that he is vegetarian.
>>>>
>>>> Pescatarian, pescatarian. I understand if y'all don't care what I say,
>>>> but if you're going to repeat it, get it right, please.
>>>>
>>> It gets confusing. You should get a "P" tattoo or at least wear a badge
>>> in public. Vegans can get a green "V" tattoo on the forehead, using
>>> vegetable based dyes, of course.
>>
>> And carnivores get a "C" or fake little rivers of blood down their
>> chin?
>>
>
>We can get real blood.

You guys are so edgy!

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 13:03:13 +1100, Brice >
wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 07:39:25 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:44:52 -0500, jmcquown >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 11/14/2018 10:59 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:10:49 +1100, Brice >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The world must be a source of constant surprises for you guys
>>>>
>>>> You just don't understand our point of view (no, really). And we don't
>>>> understand you. You claim you're NOT (and have never been) a
>>>> vegetarian, but go on and on with this same sort of shit which on the
>>>> face of it, makes no sense. You must be choosing to omit some
>>>> important relevent personal (or other) detail, for reasons best known
>>>> to yourself. Whatever.
>>>>
>>>He's a vegetarian who eats fish. They're known as pescetarians.
>>
>>He told me the other day that he never claimed to be a vegetarian on
>>this group.
>
>Jill's right. Although a vegetarian who eats fish is like a virgin who
>has sex. There ain't no such thing. I'm a pescatarian.

I would abbreviate 'pescatarian' to 'troll' in your case.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 15:17:31 +1100, Brice >
wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:15:44 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2018-11-15 7:39 p.m., Je?us wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:44:52 -0500, jmcquown >
>>
>>>> He's a vegetarian who eats fish. They're known as pescetarians.
>>>
>>> He told me the other day that he never claimed to be a vegetarian on
>>> this group.
>>>
>>
>>I can't say that he ever said that he is a vegetarian, but he has
>>definitely said many times that he does not eat meat..... which means
>>that he is vegetarian.
>
>Pescatarian, pescatarian. I understand if y'all don't care what I say,
>but if you're going to repeat it, get it right, please.

So all these years you play silly games over the topic, rather than
just stating it like a normal human being. You really are just a
troll, when it comes right down to it.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:26:58 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 11/15/2018 7:58 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:39:19 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/14/2018 8:08 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>>
>>>> LOL. Vegetarian food made to emulate meat particularly amuses me.
>>>>
>>> It amuses me, too! Boca Burgers Morningstar Farms faux meat products.
>>> Ever read the ingredients lists on those things? Vegetarians apparently
>>> don't have a moral dilemma when it comes to ingesting chemicals.
>>
>> When I was young and thought I knew it all, I was a vegetarian for a
>> few years. I tried all manner of faux meat products... and every
>> single one of them were disgusting in terms of flavour, texture and
>> ingredients.
>>
>>> But hey, in good weather a grill can certainly be used to cook
>>> vegetables. I frequently grill vegetables... right next to the steak.
>>
>> Absolutely. I wouldn't mind some grilled corn now.
>>
>I love grilled corn on the cob! Soak the corn in water so the husks
>don't burn. If you'd like, pull back the husks and remove the silk,
>then brush the corn with herbed butter. Pull the husks back up and
>grill. Delicious!

Absolutely delicious Jill! We have baby corn here frequently, but not
grilled. I'll be back in Australia in a couple of weeks and I will
definitely grill some corn on the BBQ.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:43:37 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 11/15/2018 1:44 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Wed 14 Nov 2018 09:54:13p, Jeßus told us...
>>
>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 01:14:25 GMT, Pamela >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01:02 15 Nov 2018, Jeßus > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>> animal products, even in tourist areas Millennials in
>>>>> particular are just the worst, most obnoxious to deal with. They
>>>>> have no respect for anybody, or the culture of the countries
>>>>> they are guests in.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting comment about Millenials: they're self-absorbed and
>>>> self- important whilst being easily offended. This is a
>>>> generation that's storing up mental health problems for itself,
>>>> revolving around ideas of narcissistic entitlement and then
>>>> feeling thwarted when reality doesn't deliver their expectations.
>>>> They create an emotional roller coaster for themsleves but are
>>>> emotionally very poorly prepared for it.
>>>
>>> That's an accurate observation. I think with the millennial
>>> generation, it's far more then the traditional generation gap
>>> thing going on. They seem to have a complete lack of forethought
>>> about the long-term implications of their attitude/beliefs. They
>>> have no concept why their ideas are unsustainable in the long
>>> term.
>>>
>
>There is a new Millennial version of the classic board game 'Monopoly'.
>Rather than earn money, buy property and work, they're playing for
>"experiences". Like being able to go to a music festival. It's a
>sardonic twist on the original game. It makes fun of their entitled
>idea of life:
>
>https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ls/2003129002/
>
>The Monopoly guy is wearing earbuds and holding a cup of coffee. And
>saying "Forget about real estate, you can't afford it anyway." LOLOL

Thanks for the link, it's hilarious

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:04:09 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 11/15/2018 7:53 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 06:12:52 +1100, Brice >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Good point. Older folk have always been bitching about younger
>>> generations.
>>
>> As I have already addressed elsewhere, this is not your normal
>> generation gap issue.
>>
>>> Maybe Millennials aren't so different. Besides, what else
>>> is work ethic good for, except being mocked?
>>
>> If you want to finacially support them, go right ahead.
>>
>I just mentioned the new edition of the board game 'Monopoly'. The new
>edition makes fun of the lack of goals.
>
>https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ls/2003129002/
>
>Some comments:
>
>"The box for the game shows Mr. Monopoly taking a selfie, wearing
>headphones and a participation medal and holding a coffee. The taglines
>read: “Forget real estate, you can’t afford it anyway,” and “Adulting is
>hard. You deserve a break from the rat race!” Rather than win by
>collecting the most money, the game prompts players to collect
>experiences—including visiting a friend’s couch, going to a vegan
>bistro, and hitting a week-long meditation retreat. Game pieces include
>a hashtag and crying emoji."


LOL.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 14:55:27 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 15:17:31 +1100, Brice >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:15:44 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2018-11-15 7:39 p.m., Je?us wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:44:52 -0500, jmcquown >
>>>
>>>>> He's a vegetarian who eats fish. They're known as pescetarians.
>>>>
>>>> He told me the other day that he never claimed to be a vegetarian on
>>>> this group.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I can't say that he ever said that he is a vegetarian, but he has
>>>definitely said many times that he does not eat meat..... which means
>>>that he is vegetarian.
>>
>>Pescatarian, pescatarian. I understand if y'all don't care what I say,
>>but if you're going to repeat it, get it right, please.
>
>So all these years you play silly games over the topic, rather than
>just stating it like a normal human being. You really are just a
>troll, when it comes right down to it.

I've never said anything other than that I'm a pescatarian. Once every
so many months or years, you get confused again, ask me paranoid
questions and start telling me off.

In short, you're just a dumbass who keeps confusing himself.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 15:00:39 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:26:58 -0500, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 11/15/2018 7:58 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>
>>> When I was young and thought I knew it all, I was a vegetarian for a
>>> few years. I tried all manner of faux meat products... and every
>>> single one of them were disgusting in terms of flavour, texture and
>>> ingredients.
>>>
>>>> But hey, in good weather a grill can certainly be used to cook
>>>> vegetables. I frequently grill vegetables... right next to the steak.
>>>
>>> Absolutely. I wouldn't mind some grilled corn now.
>>>
>>I love grilled corn on the cob! Soak the corn in water so the husks
>>don't burn. If you'd like, pull back the husks and remove the silk,
>>then brush the corn with herbed butter. Pull the husks back up and
>>grill. Delicious!
>
>Absolutely delicious Jill! We have baby corn here frequently, but not
>grilled. I'll be back in Australia in a couple of weeks and I will
>definitely grill some corn on the BBQ.

Make sure it's not GM corn or you'll grow a dick on your forehead.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:19:54 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 02:01 16 Nov 2018, Brice > wrote in
:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:48:41 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 22:23 15 Nov 2018, Brice > wrote in
:
>>>
>>>> You're looking for nonexistent problems. If you're trying to make
>>>> life difficult, I'd suggest you become a vegan.
>>>
>>>You're offering a non-existent solution. There's no such option as
>>>you describe. Your counsel does not lead to a solution.
>>
>> Then just eat it. I've said it numerous times now. You're looking for
>> a disagreement where there is none. Are you bored or something?
>
>I am bored with you clutching at straws. Move on.

Finally, thanks.

In article >, says...
>
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 15:17:31 +1100, Brice >
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:15:44 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On 2018-11-15 7:39 p.m., Je?us wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:44:52 -0500, jmcquown >
> >>
> >>>> He's a vegetarian who eats fish. They're known as pescetarians.
> >>>
> >>> He told me the other day that he never claimed to be a vegetarian on
> >>> this group.
> >>>
> >>
> >>I can't say that he ever said that he is a vegetarian, but he has
> >>definitely said many times that he does not eat meat..... which means
> >>that he is vegetarian.
> >
> >Pescatarian, pescatarian. I understand if y'all don't care what I say,
> >but if you're going to repeat it, get it right, please.
>
> So all these years you play silly games over the topic, rather than
> just stating it like a normal human being. You really are just a
> troll, when it comes right down to it.

What took you so long.

Janet UK

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:23:57 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 00:36 16 Nov 2018, Jeßus > wrote in
:
>
>> I and many others here have been having the same arguments with him
>> for years. I still don't understand his point of view, or what his
>> issue really is.
>>
>>>I can imagine many people not eating meat and yet wearing animal
>>>products. Not Brice. He has to take up the cudgels to bash that one
>>>away and anything else too. Perhaps he thinks his comments are a sign
>>>of a very open mind. Sigh.
>>
>> Of course, some people are vegetarians purely for health and not
>> ethical reasons. But you don't hear much from them, or should I say,
>> they get drowned out by the infinitely more vocal ethical crowd.
>
>I've got the measure of Brice now. He would rather win a discussion and
>be wrong rather than accept the truth about something he had been
>denying.

Good. Now let's move on.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:31:23 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 04:17 16 Nov 2018, Brice > wrote in
:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:15:44 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On 2018-11-15 7:39 p.m., Je?us wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:44:52 -0500, jmcquown >
>>>
>>>>> He's a vegetarian who eats fish. They're known as pescetarians.
>>>>
>>>> He told me the other day that he never claimed to be a vegetarian on
>>>> this group.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I can't say that he ever said that he is a vegetarian, but he has
>>>definitely said many times that he does not eat meat..... which means
>>>that he is vegetarian.
>>
>> Pescatarian, pescatarian. I understand if y'all don't care what I say,
>> but if you're going to repeat it, get it right, please.
>
>Can you eat whale meat? Do you avoid whale products, such as fragrances
>with ambergris, in everyday life?

I thought we were going to move on, but you seem to be stuck.

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:23:57 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 00:36 16 Nov 2018, Jeßus > wrote in
:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:39:28 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 03:59 15 Nov 2018, Jeßus > wrote in
:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:10:49 +1100, Brice >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:03:41 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 21:43:35 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 2018-11-14 8:07 p.m., Pamela wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At a tangent, a friend of mine is a veggie and she refuses to
>>>>>>>> take medication in gelatin capsules on account of its animal
>>>>>>>> content. I can only shrug my shoulders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I find it disturbing that people like that would do the research
>>>>>>>to find out about that sort if thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Oh, they're out there alright... <rolls eyes>.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, there are people out there who don't want to kill animals for
>>>>>human consumption. And can you believe that those people try to
>>>>>avoid items with dead animals in them? It's truly unbelievable!
>>>>>
>>>>>The world must be a source of constant surprises for you guys
>>>>
>>>> You just don't understand our point of view (no, really). And we
>>>> don't understand you. You claim you're NOT (and have never been) a
>>>> vegetarian, but go on and on with this same sort of shit which on
>>>> the face of it, makes no sense. You must be choosing to omit some
>>>> important relevent personal (or other) detail, for reasons best
>>>> known to yourself. Whatever.
>>>
>>>Brice is working really hard to counter any and every adverse
>>>observation about vegetarianism. He seems on a mission but his
>>>unthinking zeal is leading him into making foolish statements.
>>
>> I and many others here have been having the same arguments with him
>> for years. I still don't understand his point of view, or what his
>> issue really is.
>>
>>>I can imagine many people not eating meat and yet wearing animal
>>>products. Not Brice. He has to take up the cudgels to bash that one
>>>away and anything else too. Perhaps he thinks his comments are a sign
>>>of a very open mind. Sigh.
>>
>> Of course, some people are vegetarians purely for health and not
>> ethical reasons. But you don't hear much from them, or should I say,
>> they get drowned out by the infinitely more vocal ethical crowd.
>
>I've got the measure of Brice now. He would rather win a discussion and
>be wrong rather than accept the truth about something he had been
>denying. Usenet is full of such people although I thought there were
>more mature heads here. I wonder what his age is.


Sadly, yes. We always end up falling out, this time being no exception
You basically can't get along with him unless you (at least
occasionally) pander to his superiority complex. His Dutch background
probably doesn't help matters on that score. You know you've got him
once the insults start flowing

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:57:34 +0700, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:23:57 GMT, Pamela >
>wrote:
>
>>On 00:36 16 Nov 2018, Jeßus > wrote in
:
>>
>>> I and many others here have been having the same arguments with him
>>> for years. I still don't understand his point of view, or what his
>>> issue really is.
>>>
>>>>I can imagine many people not eating meat and yet wearing animal
>>>>products. Not Brice. He has to take up the cudgels to bash that one
>>>>away and anything else too. Perhaps he thinks his comments are a sign
>>>>of a very open mind. Sigh.
>>>
>>> Of course, some people are vegetarians purely for health and not
>>> ethical reasons. But you don't hear much from them, or should I say,
>>> they get drowned out by the infinitely more vocal ethical crowd.
>>
>>I've got the measure of Brice now. He would rather win a discussion and
>>be wrong rather than accept the truth about something he had been
>>denying. Usenet is full of such people although I thought there were
>>more mature heads here. I wonder what his age is.
>
>
>Sadly, yes. We always end up falling out, this time being no exception
> You basically can't get along with him unless you (at least
>occasionally) pander to his superiority complex. His Dutch background
>probably doesn't help matters on that score. You know you've got him
>once the insults start flowing

You mean when I start calling you a troll? Oh no wait, that was you
calling me a troll

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:42:10 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 00:51 16 Nov 2018, Jeßus > wrote in
:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 18:58:18 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 04:54 15 Nov 2018, Jeßus > wrote in
:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 01:14:25 GMT, Pamela >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 01:02 15 Nov 2018, Jeßus > wrote in
:
>>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> animal products, even in tourist areas Millennials in
>>>>>> particular are just the worst, most obnoxious to deal with. They
>>>>>> have no respect for anybody, or the culture of the countries they
>>>>>> are guests in.
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting comment about Millenials: they're self-absorbed and
>>>>>self- important whilst being easily offended. This is a generation
>>>>>that's storing up mental health problems for itself, revolving
>>>>>around ideas of narcissistic entitlement and then feeling thwarted
>>>>>when reality doesn't deliver their expectations. They create an
>>>>>emotional roller coaster for themsleves but are emotionally very
>>>>>poorly prepared for it.
>>>>
>>>> That's an accurate observation. I think with the millennial
>>>> generation, it's far more then the traditional generation gap thing
>>>> going on. They seem to have a complete lack of forethought about the
>>>> long-term implications of their attitude/beliefs. They have no
>>>> concept why their ideas are unsustainable in the long term.
>>>>
>>>> I strike them a lot on certain Facebook groups relating to travel,
>>>> and also IRL in touristy locations around SE Asia. 'Beg-packing' is
>>>> now, unfortunately, a thing. They run low on funds, and think it's
>>>> just fine to literally beg on the streets of foreign countries
>>>> (often 3rd world countries) for money so they can continue to
>>>> travel.
>>>>
>>>> Many mock the work ethic, citing life's too short for that sort of
>>>> thing, but never have an answer as to who will support them in the
>>>> future. They also generally have no respect for the culture of
>>>> foreign countries either. And being nearby to a group of them
>>>> conversing... well, it's just painful.
>>>
>>>Are you in Asia and actually see the Millenials at play there?
>>
>> Yes. Horrible creatures, they are too. Scantily dressed in public and
>> at temples, vacuous 'me me me' conversations at top volume, put stinky
>> feet up on tables and bus seats... that sorta thing
>>
>>>Mind you, decades ago hippies would go for months on end to places
>>>like Goa and Thailand for the cheap living and access to drugs. Are
>>>the Millenials so different?
>>
>> Sure. Goa and Thailand of today is nothing like that of 40 years ago.
>> Plus, did hippies actually go BEGGING in those countries back then?
>> Did they try to leech off and exploit the good nature of the poor
>> locals who are far poorer than they are?
>
>Do you mean Millenials fly to the Far East and then beg the locals for
>money?

Many do these days, yes. It's particularly taken off in the past
couple of years. Well, it's more a case of them running low on money,
then turning to begging in order to avoid having to return home.

Here's one article on the subject: https://tinyurl.com/y99p86ld

>For shame. Surely the locals are far too streetwise to fall for
>that.

Most don't fall for it, although locals can be surprisingly generous
and willing to share what they have. I often wonder just how much
money they do make. There are a few infamous ones who have managed to
spend years travelling though. Some have been banned from certain
countries now. From what I can tell, it's more other tourists who
thrown them a few coins/notes.