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On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 4:43:25 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 7:31:25 PM UTC-10, Jill McQuown wrote: > > > > He appears to want Hawaii (all the islands) to *not* be part of the > > United States. I'm so sorry if he's suffered somehow. But hey, Hawaii > > became a State before I was born. I didn't have any say so in the > > matter. I didn't get to vote about Alaska, either. Oh dear. ;) > > > > Jill > > > > Jill > > You speak words of little merit from the side of your mouth. Must be a talent you have. What you say is not true. I don't have anything against Hawaii being a state. That's just a fantasy you believe. In fact, it was the will of the people that live here that Hawaii become a state. I am kind of put off by the Nation of Hawaii being stolen by some American businessmen. As we all know, it's not right when the rich steal from the poor. Or is it? > Not right, but perhaps inevitable. We don't have many openings for warlords in the U.S., so they become businessmen. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 9/7/2018 11:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > Some of these things didn't happen long enough ago. There are people still alive that have suffered. I haven't suffered. But the people that been raised on this rock know what it means to be slaves and being the lowest of the low. We are great believers in social justice. There is much aloha on this rock, not so much on the mainland. I'm not saying that you should feel guilty. How you feel is none of my business nor was I referring to you. > There are still people around the world suffering. I may been sorry or feel bad for them, but there is no reason for me to feel guilty. I did nothing to cause it. Most cases, I can do nothing to stop it. |
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On 9/8/2018 2:15 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 07 Sep 2018 10:26:35p, jmcquown told us... > >> On 9/7/2018 10:28 PM, Cheri wrote: >>> "dsi1" > wrote in message >>> ... On >>> Friday, September 7, 2018 at 5:44:50 AM UTC-10, Jill McQuown >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sorry, but I don't buy into the whole ancestor guilt thing.Â* I >>>> am not responsible for what my ancestors did.Â* I can say without >>>> equivocation I did not invade anyone's land or usurp their >>>> territory.Â* It was a done deal centuries before I was born, no >>>> changing it.Â* No remorse here. >>>> >>>> Jill >>> >>> What you feel is not surprising. OTOH, if it was your ancestors >>> that had their land stolen, >> >> My many times great grandfather and his son were sentenced to >> indentured servitude. Akin to slavery. They got lucky; the >> captain of the ship died and diverted the course from Virginia to >> New Jersey. >> >>> or your parents that were forced into concentration camps, >> >> Were yours? Don't get me wrong. I totally feel that internment >> camps for Japanese on the US mainland during WWII were completely >> wrong. But, I don't feel any guilt about them because I wasn't >> alive then. It's a part of history not I, nor anyone, can change. >> >> Was your family in an internment camp or are you just outraged in >> general? Blaming people who weren't yet born is silly. Why >> should I feel guilty? >> >>> or had their property and businesses taken away, or were exiled, >>> or were bound into slavery etc, etc, etc. you might still feel a >>> little raw about it. >>> >>> >>> ==== >>> >>> I'm sure all of our ancestors have been mistreated somewhere >>> through the ages, that being said, you have no idea what our >>> ancestors might have endured, or how raw we might feel about it >>> just because we don't spend a lifetime whining about it. >>> >>> Cheri >> >> Much as we might like to, we cannot change the past. >> >> Jill > > I rarely think about it, much less dwell on it, but I do feel bad for > all the injust that people have suffered around the world, living or > dead. I feel no resonsibility nor guilt for it, nor did my parents > or grandparents, or as far as I know, my earlier ancesters. As you > said, Jill, we cannot change the past. > > What I felt worse about were kids I went to school with that were > bullied or persecuted and they suffered from it, but there was > nothing I could personally do about it. I did have one really good > friend that I knew was being bullied, and I did everything I could do > to help him through it. He overcame it. > That's another thing! Nowadays people talk as if bullying is something new. It isn't. My uncle had a good friend in school who had epilepsy. Not a lot was known about it at the time (1930's). I'm told he was bullied unrelentlessly but my uncle did what he could to stave it off. The poor boy couldn't take it and wound up committing suicide as a teen. :( Jill |
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On 2018-09-08 10:03 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/7/2018 11:01 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> >> Some of these things didn't happen long enough ago. There are people >> still alive that have suffered. I haven't suffered. But the people >> that been raised on this rock know what it means to be slaves and >> being the lowest of the low. We are great believers in social justice. >> There is much aloha on this rock, not so much on the mainland. I'm not >> saying that you should feel guilty. How you feel is none of my >> business nor was I referring to you. >> > > There are still people around the world suffering.Â* I may been sorry or > feel bad for them, but there is no reason for me to feel guilty.Â* I did > nothing to cause it.Â* Most cases, I can do nothing to stop it. It is all your fault for having that white privilege. You are associated with the white Europeans who were socially and mechanically advanced enough to have travelled across vast oceans, conquered more primitive societies and established more functional countries. |
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On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 9:37:50 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
.... > > > That's another thing! Nowadays people talk as if bullying is something > new. It isn't. My uncle had a good friend in school who had epilepsy. > Not a lot was known about it at the time (1930's). I'm told he was > bullied unrelentlessly but my uncle did what he could to stave it off. > The poor boy couldn't take it and wound up committing suicide as a teen. :( > > Jill And that's the kind of BULLYING we humans do to each other all the time!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lw30BeBZ6k But WE DON'T HAVE TO!! That's the EVIL coming out! :-( John Kuthe... |
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On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 9:46:57 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
.... > > > It is all your fault for having that white privilege. You are > associated with the white Europeans who were socially and mechanically > advanced enough to have travelled across vast oceans, conquered more > primitive societies and established more functional countries. And as long as WE (ALL of US) do something GOOD and POSITIVE, the EVIL will always rise up and consume us! John Kuthe... |
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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
... > On 9/7/2018 11:01 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> >> Some of these things didn't happen long enough ago. There are people >> still alive that have suffered. I haven't suffered. But the people that >> been raised on this rock know what it means to be slaves and being the >> lowest of the low. We are great believers in social justice. There is >> much aloha on this rock, not so much on the mainland. I'm not saying that >> you should feel guilty. How you feel is none of my business nor was I >> referring to you. >> > > There are still people around the world suffering. I may been sorry or > feel bad for them, but there is no reason for me to feel guilty. I did > nothing to cause it. Most cases, I can do nothing to stop it. Well said. Cheri |
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"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
... > On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 9:37:50 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote: > ... >> > >> That's another thing! Nowadays people talk as if bullying is something >> new. It isn't. My uncle had a good friend in school who had epilepsy. >> Not a lot was known about it at the time (1930's). I'm told he was >> bullied unrelentlessly but my uncle did what he could to stave it off. >> The poor boy couldn't take it and wound up committing suicide as a teen. >> :( >> >> Jill > > And that's the kind of BULLYING we humans do to each other all the time!! > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lw30BeBZ6k > > But WE DON'T HAVE TO!! That's the EVIL coming out! :-( > > John Kuthe... "WE" don't, some do. Cheri |
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"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
... > On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 9:46:57 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote: > ... >> >> >> It is all your fault for having that white privilege. You are >> associated with the white Europeans who were socially and mechanically >> advanced enough to have travelled across vast oceans, conquered more >> primitive societies and established more functional countries. > > And as long as WE (ALL of US) do something GOOD and POSITIVE, the EVIL > will always rise up and consume us! > > John Kuthe... I don't do the collective "we," I take responsibility for my own actions only. You probably need to re-read your post. :) Cheri |
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On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 10:12:44 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message > ... > > On 9/7/2018 11:01 PM, dsi1 wrote: > >> > >> Some of these things didn't happen long enough ago. There are people > >> still alive that have suffered. I haven't suffered. But the people that > >> been raised on this rock know what it means to be slaves and being the > >> lowest of the low. We are great believers in social justice. There is > >> much aloha on this rock, not so much on the mainland. I'm not saying that > >> you should feel guilty. How you feel is none of my business nor was I > >> referring to you. > >> > > > > There are still people around the world suffering. I may been sorry or > > feel bad for them, but there is no reason for me to feel guilty. I did > > nothing to cause it. Most cases, I can do nothing to stop it. > > > Well said. > > Cheri But I CAN do something about it!! And I AM!! Renting clean safe places to live within a 5min walk to UMSL to International Students like these: https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...&oe =5BF0CFCC :-) John Kuthe... |
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Take a kneel. That'll fix it.
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On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 10:17:15 AM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
> > But I CAN do something about it!! And I AM!! Renting clean safe places to live within a 5min walk to UMSL to International Students like these: > > https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...&oe =5BF0CFCC > > :-) > > John Kuthe€¦ > BHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! You ain't doing jack shit but lining your pockets while trying to appear sanctimonious and superior. Yesiree, those clean sheets are going to change the world for the better. |
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On 9/8/2018 11:13 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message > ... >> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 9:37:50 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote: >> ... >>> > >>> That's another thing!* Nowadays people talk as if bullying is something >>> new.* It isn't.* My uncle had a good friend in school who had epilepsy. >>> Not a lot was known about it at the time (1930's).* I'm told he was >>> bullied unrelentlessly but my uncle did what he could to stave it off. >>> The poor boy couldn't take it and wound up committing suicide as a >>> teen. :( >>> >>> Jill >> >> And that's the kind of BULLYING we humans do to each other all the time!! >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lw30BeBZ6k >> >> But WE DON'T HAVE TO!! That's the EVIL coming out! :-( >> >> John Kuthe... > > > "WE" don't, some do. > > Cheri Oh dear. Are we now going to be subjected to the Preachings of Mr. Kuthe because I brought up an age old family anecdote? I'm certainly not clicking on that link. Jill |
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On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:02:49 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 10:17:15 AM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote: > > > > But I CAN do something about it!! And I AM!! Renting clean safe places to live within a 5min walk to UMSL to International Students like these: > > > > https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...&oe =5BF0CFCC > > > > :-) > > > > John Kuthe€¦ > > > BHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! You ain't doing jack shit but lining > your pockets while trying to appear sanctimonious and superior. > > Yesiree, those clean sheets are going to change the world for the better. Sheets are housemate responsibility. A LOT is housemate responsibility! First shared student living house I ever lived in which did not have a good set of "house kitchenware"! Everyone her has their own! I guess to accommodate all true International Students cooking needs! We bought (I paid for) a house rice cooker and most who live here use it! I'm the only old fashioned United Statesian who cooks his brown rice in a large soup pot on the stove! Beds are new in every bedroom now though, and FRESH PAINT! John Kuthe... |
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On 9/8/2018 1:45 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 08 Sep 2018 07:47:22a, Dave Smith told us... > >> On 2018-09-08 10:03 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>> On 9/7/2018 11:01 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Some of these things didn't happen long enough ago. There are >>>> people still alive that have suffered. I haven't suffered. But >>>> the people that been raised on this rock know what it means to >>>> be slaves and being the lowest of the low. We are great >>>> believers in social justice. There is much aloha on this rock, >>>> not so much on the mainland. I'm not saying that you should feel >>>> guilty. How you feel is none of my business nor was I referring >>>> to you. >>>> >>> >>> There are still people around the world suffering.ÂÂ* I may been >>> sorry or feel bad for them, but there is no reason for me to feel >>> guilty.ÂÂ* I did nothing to cause it.ÂÂ* Most cases, I can do >>> nothing to stop it. >> >> >> It is all your fault for having that white privilege. You are >> associated with the white Europeans who were socially and >> mechanically advanced enough to have travelled across vast oceans, >> conquered more primitive societies and established more >> functional countries. > > Yeah, like Ed got on a boat and killed a tribe of Indianas. What a > stupid thing to say. > It was just a little dry humor and sarcasm. I know what he meant. |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/8/2018 1:45 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote: >> On Sat 08 Sep 2018 07:47:22a, Dave Smith told us... >> >>> On 2018-09-08 10:03 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>>> On 9/7/2018 11:01 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Some of these things didn't happen long enough ago. There are >>>>> people still alive that have suffered. I haven't suffered. But >>>>> the people that been raised on this rock know what it means to >>>>> be slaves and being the lowest of the low. We are great >>>>> believers in social justice. There is much aloha on this rock, >>>>> not so much on the mainland. I'm not saying that you should feel >>>>> guilty. How you feel is none of my business nor was I referring >>>>> to you. >>>>> >>>> >>>> There are still people around the world suffering. I may been >>>> sorry or feel bad for them, but there is no reason for me to feel >>>> guilty. I did nothing to cause it. Most cases, I can do >>>> nothing to stop it. >>> >>> >>> It is all your fault for having that white privilege. You are >>> associated with the white Europeans who were socially and >>> mechanically advanced enough to have travelled across vast oceans, >>> conquered more primitive societies and established more >>> functional countries. >> >> Yeah, like Ed got on a boat and killed a tribe of Indianas. What a >> stupid thing to say. >> > > It was just a little dry humor and sarcasm. I know what he meant. Next thing ya know there will be adds for 23 Guilt and you! A service to test your dna and assign you a personal guilt index. This way, you'll know for sure just how guilty you are, for what people did thousands of years ago. |
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Me, too, re guilt about ancestral actions. No guilt here. It had nothing to do with me.
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On 9/8/2018 7:12 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> On 9/8/2018 1:45 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote: >>> On Sat 08 Sep 2018 07:47:22a, Dave Smith told us... >>> >>>> On 2018-09-08 10:03 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>>>> On 9/7/2018 11:01 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Some of these things didn't happen long enough ago. There are >>>>>> people still alive that have suffered. I haven't suffered. But >>>>>> the people that been raised on this rock know what it means to >>>>>> be slaves and being the lowest of the low. We are great >>>>>> believers in social justice. There is much aloha on this rock, >>>>>> not so much on the mainland. I'm not saying that you should feel >>>>>> guilty. How you feel is none of my business nor was I referring >>>>>> to you. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There are still people around the world suffering.ÂÂ* I may been >>>>> sorry or feel bad for them, but there is no reason for me to feel >>>>> guilty.ÂÂ* I did nothing to cause it.ÂÂ* Most cases, I can do >>>>> nothing to stop it. >>>> >>>> >>>> It is all your fault for having that white privilege.Â* You are >>>> associated with the white Europeans who were socially and >>>> mechanically advanced enough to have travelled across vast oceans, >>>> conquered more primitive societies and establishedÂ* more >>>> functional countries. >>> >>> Yeah, like Ed got on a boat and killed a tribe of Indianas.Â* What a >>> stupid thing to say. >>> >> >> It was just a little dry humor and sarcasm.Â* I know what he meant. > > Next thing ya know there will be adds for 23 Guilt and you! A service to > test your dna and assign you a personal guilt index. This way, you'll > know for sure just how guilty you are, for what people did thousands of > years ago. > > > > That would be good. They can also tell me who and how much to pay for reparations. The guilt could then be lifted. |
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On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 7:04:01 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
> Me, too, re guilt about ancestral actions. No guilt here. It had nothing to do with me. > > N. I know, it had nothing to do with me either! I STILL think institutional genocide and rampant RACISM against First Americans was brutal and deplorable! John Kuthe... |
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On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 19:02:39 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote: >On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 7:04:01 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote: >> Me, too, re guilt about ancestral actions. No guilt here. It had nothing to do with me. >> >> N. > >I know, it had nothing to do with me either! I STILL think institutional genocide and rampant RACISM against First Americans was brutal and deplorable! Everybody probably agrees with that. People had a very different mindset back then. But it has NOTHING to do with people who live now. |
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On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 9:49:35 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 19:02:39 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe > > wrote: > > >On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 7:04:01 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote: > >> Me, too, re guilt about ancestral actions. No guilt here. It had nothing to do with me. > >> > >> N. > > > >I know, it had nothing to do with me either! I STILL think institutional genocide and rampant RACISM against First Americans was brutal and deplorable! > > Everybody probably agrees with that. People had a very different > mindset back then. > > But it has NOTHING to do with people who live now. YOU feel the rampant and rapacious racism of our past makes no difference for YOU, but I'll bet like me you are White and enjoy White Privilege. Of COURSE no racism has ever affected YOU! John Kuthe... |
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On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 20:40:31 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote: >On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 9:49:35 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote: >> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 19:02:39 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >> > wrote: >> >> >On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 7:04:01 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote: >> >> Me, too, re guilt about ancestral actions. No guilt here. It had nothing to do with me. >> >> >> >> N. >> > >> >I know, it had nothing to do with me either! I STILL think institutional genocide and rampant RACISM against First Americans was brutal and deplorable! >> >> Everybody probably agrees with that. People had a very different >> mindset back then. >> >> But it has NOTHING to do with people who live now. > >YOU feel the rampant and rapacious racism of our past makes no difference for YOU, but I'll bet like me you are White and enjoy White Privilege. Of COURSE no racism has ever affected YOU! I'm not talking about current racism. You're deliberately confusing things and making drama. You just want attention. |
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On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 01:43:21 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote: >On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 7:31:25 PM UTC-10, Jill McQuown wrote: >> >> He appears to want Hawaii (all the islands) to *not* be part of the >> United States. I'm so sorry if he's suffered somehow. But hey, Hawaii >> became a State before I was born. I didn't have any say so in the >> matter. I didn't get to vote about Alaska, either. Oh dear. ;) >> >> Jill >> >> Jill > >You speak words of little merit from the side of your mouth. Must be a talent you have. What you say is not true. I don't have anything against Hawaii being a state. That's just a fantasy you believe. In fact, it was the will of the people that live here that Hawaii become a state. I am kind of put off by the Nation of Hawaii being stolen by some American businessmen. As we all know, it's not right when the rich steal from the poor. Hey, dsi1: Them's the breaks :) |
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In article >, Ed Pawlowski >
wrote: > On 9/8/2018 1:45 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote: > > Yeah, like Ed got on a boat and killed a tribe of Indianas. What a > > stupid thing to say. > It was just a little dry humor and sarcasm. I know what he meant. Thanks for that. I was just about to fire off a nasty "can't comprehend sarcasm" post to Wayne. You did the same, succinctly and with elegance. leo |
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On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 7:12:05 PM UTC-4, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote: > > On 9/8/2018 1:45 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote: > >> On Sat 08 Sep 2018 07:47:22a, Dave Smith told us... > >> > >>> On 2018-09-08 10:03 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > >>>> On 9/7/2018 11:01 PM, dsi1 wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Some of these things didn't happen long enough ago. There are > >>>>> people still alive that have suffered. I haven't suffered. But > >>>>> the people that been raised on this rock know what it means to > >>>>> be slaves and being the lowest of the low. We are great > >>>>> believers in social justice. There is much aloha on this rock, > >>>>> not so much on the mainland. I'm not saying that you should feel > >>>>> guilty. How you feel is none of my business nor was I referring > >>>>> to you. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> There are still people around the world suffering. I may been > >>>> sorry or feel bad for them, but there is no reason for me to feel > >>>> guilty. I did nothing to cause it. Most cases, I can do > >>>> nothing to stop it. > >>> > >>> > >>> It is all your fault for having that white privilege. You are > >>> associated with the white Europeans who were socially and > >>> mechanically advanced enough to have travelled across vast oceans, > >>> conquered more primitive societies and established more > >>> functional countries. > >> > >> Yeah, like Ed got on a boat and killed a tribe of Indianas. What a > >> stupid thing to say. > >> > > > > It was just a little dry humor and sarcasm. I know what he meant. > > Next thing ya know there will be adds for 23 Guilt and you! A service to > test your dna and assign you a personal guilt index. This way, you'll > know for sure just how guilty you are, for what people did thousands of > years ago. I don't need it. I know that some of my ancestors owned slaves. I don't feel a bit guilty about it. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 2018-09-09 7:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 7:12:05 PM UTC-4, Hank Rogers wrote: >> Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>> On 9/8/2018 1:45 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote: >>>> On Sat 08 Sep 2018 07:47:22a, Dave Smith told us... >>>> >>>>> On 2018-09-08 10:03 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>>>>> On 9/7/2018 11:01 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some of these things didn't happen long enough ago. There are >>>>>>> people still alive that have suffered. I haven't suffered. But >>>>>>> the people that been raised on this rock know what it means to >>>>>>> be slaves and being the lowest of the low. We are great >>>>>>> believers in social justice. There is much aloha on this rock, >>>>>>> not so much on the mainland. I'm not saying that you should feel >>>>>>> guilty. How you feel is none of my business nor was I referring >>>>>>> to you. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> There are still people around the world suffering. I may been >>>>>> sorry or feel bad for them, but there is no reason for me to feel >>>>>> guilty. I did nothing to cause it. Most cases, I can do >>>>>> nothing to stop it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It is all your fault for having that white privilege. You are >>>>> associated with the white Europeans who were socially and >>>>> mechanically advanced enough to have travelled across vast oceans, >>>>> conquered more primitive societies and established more >>>>> functional countries. >>>> >>>> Yeah, like Ed got on a boat and killed a tribe of Indianas. What a >>>> stupid thing to say. >>>> >>> >>> It was just a little dry humor and sarcasm. I know what he meant. >> >> Next thing ya know there will be adds for 23 Guilt and you! A service to >> test your dna and assign you a personal guilt index. This way, you'll >> know for sure just how guilty you are, for what people did thousands of >> years ago. > > I don't need it. I know that some of my ancestors owned slaves. I don't > feel a bit guilty about it. I don't think any of mine did. I have no reason to feel guilty about what they did, so I sure as hell don't feel guilty about your ancestors having had slaves just because we are all white. |
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On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 10:48:45 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
.... > I'm not talking about current racism. You're deliberately confusing > things and making drama. You just want attention. No, not attention for me. I want ATTENTION top the RACISM PROBLEM!! And I am damned glad of high visibility champions of FAIR TREATMENT ARE EMERGING EVEN TODAY, like Colin Kaepernick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mreQsQrDF-A John Kuthe... |
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On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 9:22:23 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-09-09 7:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > > On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 7:12:05 PM UTC-4, Hank Rogers wrote: > >> Ed Pawlowski wrote: > >>> On 9/8/2018 1:45 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote: > >>>> On Sat 08 Sep 2018 07:47:22a, Dave Smith told us... > >>>> > >>>>> On 2018-09-08 10:03 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > >>>>>> On 9/7/2018 11:01 PM, dsi1 wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Some of these things didn't happen long enough ago. There are > >>>>>>> people still alive that have suffered. I haven't suffered. But > >>>>>>> the people that been raised on this rock know what it means to > >>>>>>> be slaves and being the lowest of the low. We are great > >>>>>>> believers in social justice. There is much aloha on this rock, > >>>>>>> not so much on the mainland. I'm not saying that you should feel > >>>>>>> guilty. How you feel is none of my business nor was I referring > >>>>>>> to you. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There are still people around the world suffering. I may been > >>>>>> sorry or feel bad for them, but there is no reason for me to feel > >>>>>> guilty. I did nothing to cause it. Most cases, I can do > >>>>>> nothing to stop it. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> It is all your fault for having that white privilege. You are > >>>>> associated with the white Europeans who were socially and > >>>>> mechanically advanced enough to have travelled across vast oceans, > >>>>> conquered more primitive societies and established more > >>>>> functional countries. > >>>> > >>>> Yeah, like Ed got on a boat and killed a tribe of Indianas. What a > >>>> stupid thing to say. > >>>> > >>> > >>> It was just a little dry humor and sarcasm. I know what he meant. > >> > >> Next thing ya know there will be adds for 23 Guilt and you! A service to > >> test your dna and assign you a personal guilt index. This way, you'll > >> know for sure just how guilty you are, for what people did thousands of > >> years ago. > > > > I don't need it. I know that some of my ancestors owned slaves. I don't > > feel a bit guilty about it. > > > I don't think any of mine did. I have no reason to feel guilty about > what they did, so I sure as hell don't feel guilty about your ancestors > having had slaves just because we are all white. Do you understand the concept of White Privilege? White Privilege was systemically and Institutionally woven into the U.S. Constitution!! There were TWO CLASSES of Immigrants that came to the U.S. to form it. One came VOLUNTARILY and one came INVOLUNTARILY! The immigration flood of the 1900's was predominantly White and had a MUCH easier time getting legal immigrant status than any large group of nonwhite humans ever have since the White Founding Fathers began forming and populating this part of North America in the 1600-1700's. And the White people immigrating did egregious things to the nonwhite First American population and their ENVIRONMENT! Killed massive numbers of buffalo, the First American's primary food source! White Privilege White Supremacist TERRORISTS!! And they are STILL AT IT!!! Grunting and Squealing for more OIL!! Wherever it is on the planet! :-( John Kuthe... |
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On 9/9/2018 11:01 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 10:48:45 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote: > ... >> I'm not talking about current racism. You're deliberately confusing >> things and making drama. You just want attention. > > No, not attention for me. I want ATTENTION top the RACISM PROBLEM!! > > And I am damned glad of high visibility champions of FAIR TREATMENT ARE EMERGING EVEN TODAY, like Colin Kaepernick: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mreQsQrDF-A > > John Kuthe... > Problem is, those that protest the wrong way create more animosity than they help. You can't legislate people's feelings. |
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John Kuthe wrote:
> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 7:04:01 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote: > > Me, too, re guilt about ancestral actions. No guilt here. It had > > nothing to do with me. > > > > N. > > I know, it had nothing to do with me either! I STILL think > institutional genocide and rampant RACISM against First Americans was > brutal and deplorable! > > John Kuthe... It wasn't pretty but I'm not about to blame others here for something that happened to my past ancestors (some of them anyways). |
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John Kuthe wrote:
> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 10:12:44 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote: > > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message > > ... > > > On 9/7/2018 11:01 PM, dsi1 wrote: > > > > > > >> Some of these things didn't happen long enough ago. There are > > people >> still alive that have suffered. I haven't suffered. But > > the people that >> been raised on this rock know what it means to > > be slaves and being the >> lowest of the low. We are great > > believers in social justice. There is >> much aloha on this rock, > > not so much on the mainland. I'm not saying that >> you should feel > > guilty. How you feel is none of my business nor was I >> referring > > to you. > > > > > > > > > > There are still people around the world suffering. I may been > > > sorry or feel bad for them, but there is no reason for me to feel > > > guilty. I did nothing to cause it. Most cases, I can do nothing > > > to stop it. > > > > > > Well said. > > > > Cheri > > But I CAN do something about it!! And I AM!! Renting clean safe > places to live within a 5min walk to UMSL to International Students > like these: > > https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...&oe =5BF0CFCC > > :-) > > John Kuthe... Thre is something seriously wrong with you lately John. |
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Druce wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 20:40:31 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe > > wrote: > > > On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 9:49:35 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote: > >> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 19:02:39 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe > >> > wrote: > >> > >> >On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 7:04:01 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote: > >> >> Me, too, re guilt about ancestral actions. No guilt here. It > had nothing to do with me. >> >> > >> >> N. > >> > > >> >I know, it had nothing to do with me either! I STILL think > institutional genocide and rampant RACISM against First Americans was > brutal and deplorable! >> >> Everybody probably agrees with that. > People had a very different >> mindset back then. > >> > >> But it has NOTHING to do with people who live now. > > > > YOU feel the rampant and rapacious racism of our past makes no > > difference for YOU, but I'll bet like me you are White and enjoy > > White Privilege. Of COURSE no racism has ever affected YOU! > > I'm not talking about current racism. You're deliberately confusing > things and making drama. You just want attention. There was a time when Julie had to reply to every single post. Now, it's John doing the show. |
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On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 20:26:53 -0000 (UTC), Wayne Boatwright
> wrote: >On Sun 09 Sep 2018 01:14:24a, Leonard Blaisdell told us... > >> In article >, Ed Pawlowski >> > wrote: >> >>> On 9/8/2018 1:45 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote: >> >>> > Yeah, like Ed got on a boat and killed a tribe of Indianas. >>> > What a stupid thing to say. >> >>> It was just a little dry humor and sarcasm. I know what he >>> meant. >> >> Thanks for that. I was just about to fire off a nasty "can't >> comprehend sarcasm" post to Wayne. You did the same, succinctly >> and with elegance. >> >> leo > >I am totally indifferent to sarcasm. It is not the tool of mental >giants, nor is it particlarly humerous. lol |
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2018 15:03:35 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>John Kuthe wrote: > >> On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 10:12:44 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote: >> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >> > ... >> > > On 9/7/2018 11:01 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> > > > >> > >> Some of these things didn't happen long enough ago. There are >> > people >> still alive that have suffered. I haven't suffered. But >> > the people that >> been raised on this rock know what it means to >> > be slaves and being the >> lowest of the low. We are great >> > believers in social justice. There is >> much aloha on this rock, >> > not so much on the mainland. I'm not saying that >> you should feel >> > guilty. How you feel is none of my business nor was I >> referring >> > to you. >> > > > >> > > >> > > There are still people around the world suffering. I may been >> > > sorry or feel bad for them, but there is no reason for me to feel >> > > guilty. I did nothing to cause it. Most cases, I can do nothing >> > > to stop it. >> > >> > >> > Well said. >> > >> > Cheri >> >> But I CAN do something about it!! And I AM!! Renting clean safe >> places to live within a 5min walk to UMSL to International Students >> like these: >> >> >https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...&oe =5BF0CFCC >> >> :-) >> >> John Kuthe... > >Thre is something seriously wrong with you lately John. Lately??? Kootchie was born wrong, from his mama's anus. |
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On 2018-09-09 4:03 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> I'm not talking about current racism. You're deliberately confusing >> things and making drama. You just want attention. > > There was a time when Julie had to reply to every single post. Now, > it's John doing the show. Julie was easy enough to filter out. The problem was with the number of people who were posting almost as compulsively to everything she posted. Now we have people replying to Kuthe, whose psychosis is extreme enough to make Julie look almost normal. |
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On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 16:34:10 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote: >On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 5:53:40 PM UTC-5, Wayne Boatwright wrote: >> On Sun 09 Sep 2018 03:25:27p, Dave Smith told us... >> >> > On 2018-09-09 4:03 PM, cshenk wrote: >> > >> >>> I'm not talking about current racism. You're deliberately >> >>> confusing things and making drama. You just want attention. >> >> >> >> There was a time when Julie had to reply to every single post. >> >> Now, it's John doing the show. >> > >> > Julie was easy enough to filter out. The problem was with the >> > number of people who were posting almost as compulsively to >> > everything she posted. Now we have people replying to Kuthe, >> > whose psychosis is extreme enough to make Julie look almost >> > normal. >> > >> I'm surprised that the Kuthe hasn't been in cahoots with the Sheldum. >> He's one of the nuttiest and crudest people I've ever encountered. >> >Which one? Or both of us? If you take nuttiest, Sheldon can take crudest. How about that? |
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On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 6:46:18 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 16:34:10 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe > > wrote: > > >On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 5:53:40 PM UTC-5, Wayne Boatwright wrote: > >> On Sun 09 Sep 2018 03:25:27p, Dave Smith told us... > >> > >> > On 2018-09-09 4:03 PM, cshenk wrote: > >> > > >> >>> I'm not talking about current racism. You're deliberately > >> >>> confusing things and making drama. You just want attention. > >> >> > >> >> There was a time when Julie had to reply to every single post. > >> >> Now, it's John doing the show. > >> > > >> > Julie was easy enough to filter out. The problem was with the > >> > number of people who were posting almost as compulsively to > >> > everything she posted. Now we have people replying to Kuthe, > >> > whose psychosis is extreme enough to make Julie look almost > >> > normal. > >> > > >> I'm surprised that the Kuthe hasn't been in cahoots with the Sheldum. > >> He's one of the nuttiest and crudest people I've ever encountered. > >> > >Which one? Or both of us? > > If you take nuttiest, Sheldon can take crudest. How about that? Works for me! John Kuthe... |
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On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:25:45 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote: >On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 6:46:18 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote: >> On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 16:34:10 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >> > wrote: >> >> >On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 5:53:40 PM UTC-5, Wayne Boatwright wrote: >> >> On Sun 09 Sep 2018 03:25:27p, Dave Smith told us... >> >> >> >> > On 2018-09-09 4:03 PM, cshenk wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>> I'm not talking about current racism. You're deliberately >> >> >>> confusing things and making drama. You just want attention. >> >> >> >> >> >> There was a time when Julie had to reply to every single post. >> >> >> Now, it's John doing the show. >> >> > >> >> > Julie was easy enough to filter out. The problem was with the >> >> > number of people who were posting almost as compulsively to >> >> > everything she posted. Now we have people replying to Kuthe, >> >> > whose psychosis is extreme enough to make Julie look almost >> >> > normal. >> >> > >> >> I'm surprised that the Kuthe hasn't been in cahoots with the Sheldum. >> >> He's one of the nuttiest and crudest people I've ever encountered. >> >> >> >Which one? Or both of us? >> >> If you take nuttiest, Sheldon can take crudest. How about that? > >Works for me! lol |
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