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On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 6:27:21 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> Skinks enter a catted zone, it's their death sentence!
>
> John Kuthe...
>
>

Several years ago when I had Thumper the light gray tabby cat I came
home from shopping. He was laying on the front porch very nonchalantly.
When I unlocked the security storm door I noticed it was slightly
dragging. That's odd, just 2 or 3 days previously I had adjusted the
sweep so it should open with ease.

I vigorously swung the door several times. Why.won't.this.door.swing.
easily? A few light blood smears appeared and I saw the tip of a
tail which I pinned to the porch with the toe of my shoe. A strong
yank and a small garter snake popped out from beneath the storm door.

Evidently Thumper had chased or caught a snake on the porch and in its
effort to get away it escaped under door.
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 08:52:33 +1000, Druce >
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>>There is that here too, killing off the song birds particularly, and I
>>find it noticeable that indoor cats live longer than outdoor. I have
>>bird feeders on the balcony and have more or less pet woodpeckers.
>>They are my cats television, she watches their every move but can't
>>get them I know if she was running free she would kill them.

>
>Here it's little lizards/skinks. Sometimes they manage to squeeze in
>under the door. Bad idea. I can't always save them in time.


My old cat Bucket weighed in at 30lbs, he was the size of a small
terrier. He used to get on the bed and thump when he jumped down. If
he 'glided' off the bed silently I knew a mouse had come into the
basement with winter coming on. Maybe half to an hour later he would
return and share his winnings with me. Nothing worse than a dead mouse
at 4 a.m. on the duvet.
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 17:31:07 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 6:27:21 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>> Skinks enter a catted zone, it's their death sentence!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>>

>Several years ago when I had Thumper the light gray tabby cat I came
>home from shopping. He was laying on the front porch very nonchalantly.
>When I unlocked the security storm door I noticed it was slightly
>dragging. That's odd, just 2 or 3 days previously I had adjusted the
>sweep so it should open with ease.
>
>I vigorously swung the door several times. Why.won't.this.door.swing.
>easily? A few light blood smears appeared and I saw the tip of a
>tail which I pinned to the porch with the toe of my shoe. A strong
>yank and a small garter snake popped out from beneath the storm door.
>
>Evidently Thumper had chased or caught a snake on the porch and in its
>effort to get away it escaped under door.


Lol ! We get garter snakes here and I remember years ago my son
dropping one on the kitchen floor, grabbing it, handing it to him and
telling him to take it to the garden. To this day the boy with him
still remembers the 'Mother who handled the garter snake' - he and my
son are in their 50s now, what a reputation.
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On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 7:46:53 PM UTC-5, wrote:
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> Lol ! We get garter snakes here and I remember years ago my son
> dropping one on the kitchen floor, grabbing it, handing it to him and
> telling him to take it to the garden. To this day the boy with him
> still remembers the 'Mother who handled the garter snake' - he and my
> son are in their 50s now, what a reputation.
>
>

I live two blocks from a city park and that's the only reason I can think
there are garter snakes in my yard. But the cats and pit bull that lived
two doors from me seem to have dramatically thinned them out. I rarely
see one now.

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On 8/12/2018 5:51 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 2:51:23 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:42:32 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I like them both. They are different animals with different personalities, etc.

>>
>> Me too.
>>
>>

> I like them both as well but I'm a 51% cat lover vs. 49% for dogs. My
> leaning toward cats comes from their generally quiet, clean nature. Plus
> there is no barking or having to walk the cat. I'd probably like dogs
> just as well if they didn't smell like dogs. That smell transfers to your hands after petting and demands an immediate hand washing. In the last 10 years I've had two declawed cats (not done by me) and that has been interesting. But it also means they didn't/don't go outside.
>

I had a little dog named Sampson for 18 years. I loved him dearly but
did *not* enjoy having to walk him in extreme heat, rain, sometimes
snow. If he got wet he stunk to high heaven which meant bath time even
if he'd just had one.

My cat Persia showed up about a year after Sammy died. It was quite
nice not to have to take her for walks at 2AM! Didn't have to give her
baths, either. Someone (not me!) had front-declawed her so she was
strictly an indoor cat. Now I have Buffy who has her claws but she's
still an indoor cat. It's so much safter for them.

Jill


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On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 21:23:04 -0400, jmcquown >
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>On 8/12/2018 5:18 PM, wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 21:10:16 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 12-Aug-2018, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>>>
>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On 2018-08-12 8:30 AM, GM wrote:
>>>>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyways, it has turned into an interesting thread...I mean who does not
>>>>>>
>>>>>> love cats
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't, for one!
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a huge cat lover either. I'm a dog person.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>> ==
>>>> Yes, as you know, we are too. But recently I was pondering on what we
>>>> would
>>>> do if we could no longer manage a dog I would hate to be without an
>>>> animal pet.
>>> You could get a tiny dog, like a Lhasa Apso or Scottich Terrier.

>>
>> You might be able to manage this wee lass, under five pounds, about
>> two kilos:
>>
https://postimg.cc/image/m786rxwoh/
>>

>Sheldon, if you use the link with the .jpg extension no one would have
>to see the ads for "hot Russian girls" (or any other ads, for that matter).
>
>That little dog is cute. My cat has a toy that looks like that fuzzy
>feather boa thing.
>
>Jill


I think that toy is supposed to be a chicken. The women who used to
live in this house moved ten miles away to live neat her daughter and
her SIL The women who lived here her husband died a year ago so her
daughter got her that tiny dog. I don't know the breed but its a kind
of dog from China.
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Druce wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 19:44:45 -0300, wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 08:38:25 +1000, Druce >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 19:21:48 -0300,
wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 08:08:04 +1000, Druce >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:53:57 -0300,
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:51:53 -0700 (PDT), "
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 2:51:23 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:42:32 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I like them both. They are different animals with different personalities, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Me too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like them both as well but I'm a 51% cat lover vs. 49% for dogs. My
>>>>>>> leaning toward cats comes from their generally quiet, clean nature. Plus
>>>>>>> there is no barking or having to walk the cat. I'd probably like dogs
>>>>>>> just as well if they didn't smell like dogs. That smell transfers to your hands after petting and demands an immediate hand washing. In the last 10 years I've had two declawed cats (not done by me) and that has been interesting. But it also means they didn't/don't go outside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mine have been indoor cats for years now and I do not believe it is
>>>>>> cruel.
>>>>>
>>>>> If cats come from an animal shelter, where who knows what fate would
>>>>> have awaited them, I also think it's not cruel.
>>>>
>>>> All of mine have needed homes though not necessarily from shelters. It
>>>> was me or the chop.
>>>
>>> Yes, you saved their lives, indoor or not. In Australia it's actually
>>> irresponsible to let cats roam freely. They do enormous damage to
>>> native wildlife.

>>
>> There is that here too, killing off the song birds particularly, and I
>> find it noticeable that indoor cats live longer than outdoor. I have
>> bird feeders on the balcony and have more or less pet woodpeckers.
>> They are my cats television, she watches their every move but can't
>> get them I know if she was running free she would kill them.

>
> Here it's little lizards/skinks. Sometimes they manage to squeeze in
> under the door. Bad idea. I can't always save them in time.
>


Do you feed your cats vegetarian chow?


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On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 9:23:58 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Druce wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 19:44:45 -0300, wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 08:38:25 +1000, Druce >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 19:21:48 -0300,
wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 08:08:04 +1000, Druce >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:53:57 -0300,
wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:51:53 -0700 (PDT), "
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 2:51:23 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:42:32 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> >>>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I like them both. They are different animals with different personalities, etc.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Me too.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I like them both as well but I'm a 51% cat lover vs. 49% for dogs.. My
> >>>>>>> leaning toward cats comes from their generally quiet, clean nature. Plus
> >>>>>>> there is no barking or having to walk the cat. I'd probably like dogs
> >>>>>>> just as well if they didn't smell like dogs. That smell transfers to your hands after petting and demands an immediate hand washing. In the last 10 years I've had two declawed cats (not done by me) and that has been interesting. But it also means they didn't/don't go outside.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mine have been indoor cats for years now and I do not believe it is
> >>>>>> cruel.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If cats come from an animal shelter, where who knows what fate would
> >>>>> have awaited them, I also think it's not cruel.
> >>>>
> >>>> All of mine have needed homes though not necessarily from shelters. It
> >>>> was me or the chop.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, you saved their lives, indoor or not. In Australia it's actually
> >>> irresponsible to let cats roam freely. They do enormous damage to
> >>> native wildlife.
> >>
> >> There is that here too, killing off the song birds particularly, and I
> >> find it noticeable that indoor cats live longer than outdoor. I have
> >> bird feeders on the balcony and have more or less pet woodpeckers.
> >> They are my cats television, she watches their every move but can't
> >> get them I know if she was running free she would kill them.

> >
> > Here it's little lizards/skinks. Sometimes they manage to squeeze in
> > under the door. Bad idea. I can't always save them in time.
> >

>
> Do you feed your cats vegetarian chow?


I used to feed my cat onions! :-)

John Kuthe...
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
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> On 8/11/2018 12:30 PM, Gary wrote:
>> Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyway, I put this wonderful memento of my parents right out on my
>>> kitchen counter â the only thing is, I have to place it *securely* so
>>> that my Persia wonât be able to knock it off when she is up slinking
>>> around on the counter!

>>
>> You are finally so busted! Do you not remember years ago when you
>> claimed your cat NEVER got on your kitchen countertops? I
>> remember teasing you for believing that and told you how she did
>> but just waited until you left the house. lol No, "she never does
>> that!" You taught her not to.
>>
>> Well, I knew better but now you finally admit it. It took a good
>> while though. hahaha
>> Cats own the house. They only let you live there as long as you
>> treat them nice and feed them regularly.
>>

> I never owned an Aunt Jemima Cookie Jar and neither did my mother. I have
> no idea where this post came from.


Apparently your dad. It was a wedding gift.



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On 8/13/2018 1:30 AM, Druce wrote:

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>>
>> Do you feed your cats vegetarian chow?

>
> No, I don't think that's good for them.
>


There are some dog foods claiming to be "grain free" so the proud owners
are buying an alleged better diet for their dogs. The dogs are dying
though, as the grain has some element they need.
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"l not -l" wrote in message ...


On 12-Aug-2018, "Ophelia" > wrote:

> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "graham" > wrote in message
> news
> > On 2018-08-12 8:30 AM, GM wrote:
> >> Cheri wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Anyways, it has turned into an interesting thread...I mean who does not
> >>
> >> love cats

> >
> > I don't, for one!

>
>
> I'm not a huge cat lover either. I'm a dog person.
>
> Cheri
> ==
>
> Yes, as you know, we are too. But recently I was pondering on what we
> would
> do if we could no longer manage a dog I would hate to be without an
> animal pet.

You could get a tiny dog, like a Lhasa Apso or Scottich Terrier.

==

I guess so. They still need to be walked several times a day though.


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On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 21:10:16 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
>On 12-Aug-2018, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>
>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> news
>> > On 2018-08-12 8:30 AM, GM wrote:
>> >> Cheri wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Anyways, it has turned into an interesting thread...I mean who does
>> >> not
>> >>
>> >> love cats
>> >
>> > I don't, for one!

>>
>> I'm not a huge cat lover either. I'm a dog person.
>>
>> Cheri
>> ==
>> Yes, as you know, we are too. But recently I was pondering on what we
>> would
>> do if we could no longer manage a dog I would hate to be without an
>> animal pet.

>You could get a tiny dog, like a Lhasa Apso or Scottich Terrier.


You might be able to manage this wee lass, under five pounds, about
two kilos:
https://postimg.cc/image/m786rxwoh/

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On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 10:40:58 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Druce" wrote in message ...
>
> >On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:51:53 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:

>
> >>In the last 10
> >>years I've had two declawed cats (not done by me) and that has been
> >>interesting. But it also means they didn't/don't go outside.

> >
> >Mine have been indoor cats for years now and I do not believe it is
> >cruel.

>
> If cats come from an animal shelter, where who knows what fate would
> have awaited them, I also think it's not cruel.
>
> ==
>
> What is not cruel?
>
>

Having cats declawed.

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On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 08:58:59 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 10:40:58 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Druce" wrote in message ...
>>
>> >On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:51:53 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:

>>
>> >>In the last 10
>> >>years I've had two declawed cats (not done by me) and that has been
>> >>interesting. But it also means they didn't/don't go outside.
>> >
>> >Mine have been indoor cats for years now and I do not believe it is
>> >cruel.

>>
>> If cats come from an animal shelter, where who knows what fate would
>> have awaited them, I also think it's not cruel.
>>
>> ==
>>
>> What is not cruel?
>>
>>

>Having cats declawed.


De clawing is very cruel, vets here will not do it! It involves
removing the whole nail bed and is excruciating for the cat
afterwards.
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:17:47 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/13/2018 1:30 AM, Druce wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do you feed your cats vegetarian chow?

>>
>> No, I don't think that's good for them.
>>

>
>There are some dog foods claiming to be "grain free" so the proud owners
>are buying an alleged better diet for their dogs. The dogs are dying
>though, as the grain has some element they need.


Source?
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 16:33:54 +0100, "Ophelia" >
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>
>
>"Druce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:53:57 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:51:53 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 2:51:23 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:42:32 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >I like them both. They are different animals with different
>>>> >personalities, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Me too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I like them both as well but I'm a 51% cat lover vs. 49% for dogs. My
>>>leaning toward cats comes from their generally quiet, clean nature. Plus
>>>there is no barking or having to walk the cat. I'd probably like dogs
>>>just as well if they didn't smell like dogs. That smell transfers to your
>>>hands after petting and demands an immediate hand washing. In the last 10
>>>years I've had two declawed cats (not done by me) and that has been
>>>interesting. But it also means they didn't/don't go outside.

>>
>>Mine have been indoor cats for years now and I do not believe it is
>>cruel.

>
>If cats come from an animal shelter, where who knows what fate would
>have awaited them, I also think it's not cruel.
>
>==
>
>What is not cruel?
>
>All our dogs have come from shelters, and I suppose if we ever feel unable
>to take care of one, we would go to a cat shelter.
>
>Believe me, we are used to very odd behaviour in our animals


I meant that it's not cruel to keep a cat from a shelter or otherwise
without an owner as an indoor cat. It beats being put down.

I also think getting animals from a breeder, encouraging them to breed
more, is wrong when there are already too many cats and dogs looking
for a home.
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 16:33:54 +0100, "Ophelia" >
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>
>
>"Druce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:53:57 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:51:53 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 2:51:23 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:42:32 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >I like them both. They are different animals with different
>>>> >personalities, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Me too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I like them both as well but I'm a 51% cat lover vs. 49% for dogs. My
>>>leaning toward cats comes from their generally quiet, clean nature. Plus
>>>there is no barking or having to walk the cat. I'd probably like dogs
>>>just as well if they didn't smell like dogs. That smell transfers to
>>>your
>>>hands after petting and demands an immediate hand washing. In the last
>>>10
>>>years I've had two declawed cats (not done by me) and that has been
>>>interesting. But it also means they didn't/don't go outside.

>>
>>Mine have been indoor cats for years now and I do not believe it is
>>cruel.

>
>If cats come from an animal shelter, where who knows what fate would
>have awaited them, I also think it's not cruel.
>
>==
>
>What is not cruel?
>
>All our dogs have come from shelters, and I suppose if we ever feel unable
>to take care of one, we would go to a cat shelter.
>
>Believe me, we are used to very odd behaviour in our animals


I meant that it's not cruel to keep a cat from a shelter or otherwise
without an owner as an indoor cat. It beats being put down.

I also think getting animals from a breeder, encouraging them to breed
more, is wrong when there are already too many cats and dogs looking
for a home.

==

Yes, too many animals are desperate for homes. I would never buy from a
breeder. I would love to take them all, but look what happened to the woman
who had my Poppy

All we can do is encourage people to look at rescue centres.



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On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 21:24:08 +0100, "Ophelia" >
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>
>
>"Druce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 16:33:54 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Druce" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:53:57 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:51:53 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 2:51:23 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:42:32 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >I like them both. They are different animals with different
>>>>> >personalities, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Me too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>I like them both as well but I'm a 51% cat lover vs. 49% for dogs. My
>>>>leaning toward cats comes from their generally quiet, clean nature. Plus
>>>>there is no barking or having to walk the cat. I'd probably like dogs
>>>>just as well if they didn't smell like dogs. That smell transfers to
>>>>your
>>>>hands after petting and demands an immediate hand washing. In the last
>>>>10
>>>>years I've had two declawed cats (not done by me) and that has been
>>>>interesting. But it also means they didn't/don't go outside.
>>>
>>>Mine have been indoor cats for years now and I do not believe it is
>>>cruel.

>>
>>If cats come from an animal shelter, where who knows what fate would
>>have awaited them, I also think it's not cruel.
>>
>>==
>>
>>What is not cruel?
>>
>>All our dogs have come from shelters, and I suppose if we ever feel unable
>>to take care of one, we would go to a cat shelter.
>>
>>Believe me, we are used to very odd behaviour in our animals

>
>I meant that it's not cruel to keep a cat from a shelter or otherwise
>without an owner as an indoor cat. It beats being put down.
>
>I also think getting animals from a breeder, encouraging them to breed
>more, is wrong when there are already too many cats and dogs looking
>for a home.
>
>==
>
>Yes, too many animals are desperate for homes. I would never buy from a
>breeder. I would love to take them all, but look what happened to the woman
>who had my Poppy
>
>All we can do is encourage people to look at rescue centres.


Yes. I can understand the temptation to become the neighbourhood cat
or dog lady (well, not lady). I'd better stay away from animal
shelters, unless we have a vacancy.
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>
>
>"Druce" wrote in message
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>On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 16:33:54 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Druce" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:53:57 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:51:53 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 2:51:23 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:42:32 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >I like them both. They are different animals with different
>>>>> >personalities, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Me too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>I like them both as well but I'm a 51% cat lover vs. 49% for dogs. My
>>>>leaning toward cats comes from their generally quiet, clean nature.
>>>>Plus
>>>>there is no barking or having to walk the cat. I'd probably like dogs
>>>>just as well if they didn't smell like dogs. That smell transfers to
>>>>your
>>>>hands after petting and demands an immediate hand washing. In the last
>>>>10
>>>>years I've had two declawed cats (not done by me) and that has been
>>>>interesting. But it also means they didn't/don't go outside.
>>>
>>>Mine have been indoor cats for years now and I do not believe it is
>>>cruel.

>>
>>If cats come from an animal shelter, where who knows what fate would
>>have awaited them, I also think it's not cruel.
>>
>>==
>>
>>What is not cruel?
>>
>>All our dogs have come from shelters, and I suppose if we ever feel unable
>>to take care of one, we would go to a cat shelter.
>>
>>Believe me, we are used to very odd behaviour in our animals

>
>I meant that it's not cruel to keep a cat from a shelter or otherwise
>without an owner as an indoor cat. It beats being put down.
>
>I also think getting animals from a breeder, encouraging them to breed
>more, is wrong when there are already too many cats and dogs looking
>for a home.
>
>==
>
>Yes, too many animals are desperate for homes. I would never buy from a
>breeder. I would love to take them all, but look what happened to the
>woman
>who had my Poppy
>
>All we can do is encourage people to look at rescue centres.


Yes. I can understand the temptation to become the neighbourhood cat
or dog lady (well, not lady). I'd better stay away from animal
shelters, unless we have a vacancy.

==

Yes. That will be best. We cannot save all the desperate animals that we
would like to help


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On 8/13/2018 3:16 PM, Druce wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:17:47 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 8/13/2018 1:30 AM, Druce wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you feed your cats vegetarian chow?
>>>
>>> No, I don't think that's good for them.
>>>

>>
>> There are some dog foods claiming to be "grain free" so the proud owners
>> are buying an alleged better diet for their dogs. The dogs are dying
>> though, as the grain has some element they need.

>
> Source?
>

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/24/h...t-disease.html
Bison and chickpeas. Wild boar and sweet potatoes. Kangaroo and lentils.

These are just a few of the spectacularly popular selections of
grain-free dog food that have deluged the pet food market in recent
years. Dense with exotic proteins, teeming with legumes favored by
health-conscious humans, they are promoted as delicious as well as
nutritious better for gluten-sensitive bellies, closer to the
ancestral, protein-rich diets of the Yorkies savage forebears.

But earlier this month, the Food and Drug Administration announced that
it is investigating a link between these diets and a common type of
canine heart disease.

The condition is dilated cardiomyopathy, or D.C.M., in which the heart
weakens and becomes enlarged. Symptoms include fatigue, difficulty
breathing, coughing and fainting. Some dogs can abruptly go into heart
failure.

D.C.M. is typically seen in large breed dogs that have a genetic
predisposition for it, like Doberman pinschers, Irish wolfhounds, boxers
and Great Danes. But CVCA, a practice of 19 veterinary cardiologists in
the Baltimore-Washington, D.C. area, alerted the F.D.A. that it has been
seeing D.C.M. among other breeds, including golden retrievers, doodle
mixes, Labrador retrievers and Shih Tzus.


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On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 3:39:40 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
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> Yes. I can understand the temptation to become the neighbourhood cat
> or dog lady (well, not lady). I'd better stay away from animal
> shelters, unless we have a vacancy.
>
>

https://s22.postimg.cc/7jdz5yubl/Cat_Woman.jpg

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> De clawing is very cruel, vets here will not do it! It involves
> removing the whole nail bed and is excruciating for the cat
> afterwards.
>
>

Neighbor across the alley took her cat to a vet here and he lasered the
claws off. I didn't ask for any details.

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On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 17:01:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/13/2018 3:16 PM, Druce wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:17:47 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/13/2018 1:30 AM, Druce wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you feed your cats vegetarian chow?
>>>>
>>>> No, I don't think that's good for them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are some dog foods claiming to be "grain free" so the proud owners
>>> are buying an alleged better diet for their dogs. The dogs are dying
>>> though, as the grain has some element they need.

>>
>> Source?
>>

>https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/24/h...t-disease.html
>Bison and chickpeas. Wild boar and sweet potatoes. Kangaroo and lentils.
>
>These are just a few of the spectacularly popular selections of
>grain-free dog food that have deluged the pet food market in recent
>years. Dense with exotic proteins, teeming with legumes favored by
>health-conscious humans, they are promoted as delicious as well as
>nutritious better for gluten-sensitive bellies, closer to the
>ancestral, protein-rich diets of the Yorkies savage forebears.
>
>But earlier this month, the Food and Drug Administration announced that
>it is investigating a link between these diets and a common type of
>canine heart disease.
>
>The condition is dilated cardiomyopathy, or D.C.M., in which the heart
>weakens and becomes enlarged. Symptoms include fatigue, difficulty
>breathing, coughing and fainting. Some dogs can abruptly go into heart
>failure.
>
>D.C.M. is typically seen in large breed dogs that have a genetic
>predisposition for it, like Doberman pinschers, Irish wolfhounds, boxers
>and Great Danes. But CVCA, a practice of 19 veterinary cardiologists in
>the Baltimore-Washington, D.C. area, alerted the F.D.A. that it has been
>seeing D.C.M. among other breeds, including golden retrievers, doodle
>mixes, Labrador retrievers and Shih Tzus.


Thanks, Ed, that sound like something to take seriously. I guess it
doesn't necessarily apply to cats as well. Ours get fed 3 times a day,
2 of which are grain free.
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:25:50 -0700 (PDT), "
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>On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 3:39:40 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>>
>> Yes. I can understand the temptation to become the neighbourhood cat
>> or dog lady (well, not lady). I'd better stay away from animal
>> shelters, unless we have a vacancy.
>>
>>

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On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 21:24:08 +0100, "Ophelia" >
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>
>"Druce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 16:33:54 +0100, "Ophelia" >
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>
>>
>>
>>"Druce" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:53:57 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:51:53 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 2:51:23 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:42:32 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >I like them both. They are different animals with different
>>>>> >personalities, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Me too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>I like them both as well but I'm a 51% cat lover vs. 49% for dogs. My
>>>>leaning toward cats comes from their generally quiet, clean nature. Plus
>>>>there is no barking or having to walk the cat. I'd probably like dogs
>>>>just as well if they didn't smell like dogs. That smell transfers to
>>>>your
>>>>hands after petting and demands an immediate hand washing. In the last
>>>>10
>>>>years I've had two declawed cats (not done by me) and that has been
>>>>interesting. But it also means they didn't/don't go outside.
>>>
>>>Mine have been indoor cats for years now and I do not believe it is
>>>cruel.

>>
>>If cats come from an animal shelter, where who knows what fate would
>>have awaited them, I also think it's not cruel.
>>
>>==
>>
>>What is not cruel?
>>
>>All our dogs have come from shelters, and I suppose if we ever feel unable
>>to take care of one, we would go to a cat shelter.
>>
>>Believe me, we are used to very odd behaviour in our animals

>
>I meant that it's not cruel to keep a cat from a shelter or otherwise
>without an owner as an indoor cat. It beats being put down.
>
>I also think getting animals from a breeder, encouraging them to breed
>more, is wrong when there are already too many cats and dogs looking
>for a home.
>
>==
>
>Yes, too many animals are desperate for homes. I would never buy from a
>breeder. I would love to take them all, but look what happened to the woman
>who had my Poppy
>
>All we can do is encourage people to look at rescue centres.


It's amazing how many never get a dog/cat fixed and then let them
roam... they call them "indoor outdoor" pets. Too many don't have
them given shots either. I call them short lived.
Where I live there are many preditors, a house cat can't survive long
outdoors, dogs hardly last 24 hours. Only truly feral cats can live a
long life outdoors. There is no such thing as an indoor outdoor cat,
indoor cats don't have the survival skills to live outdoors, nor do
they have the physical ability, those couch potatoes are much too
soft.
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On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 9:27:38 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
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> LOL, so true.
>
> Cheri


I was talking to my neighbor yesterday and the cats just ran out the door. One cat came back in soon after but the other one was just laying by the door when I came back after getting the mail. I know what she wants - me to beg her to come back in so she can ignore me and run away. Instead, I just walked into the house without making eye contact. I sorta was hoping that she'd follow me in but no such luck. When I looked back, the beast was still laying down without a care in the world so I closed the door so she would know that I really meant business. When I opened the door a few seconds later to check if she had decided to come in, she was gone. In the war of wills, the cat has bested me yet again. That's just infuriating.
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On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 4:33:10 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
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> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:24:23 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >I've never seen a cat use it's front claws to clean themselves. They'll
> >use their paws to wash their face and ears and back feet to scratch with.

>
> True. So when a cat gets declawed, they only do the front paws? I
> still think it should be banned though. If people have a problem with
> the claws, they can get a goldfish.
>
>

I've had two cats that were/are declawed and it was the front paws only.
Front claws along with the back ones are used for climbing. Front claws
only, as far as I know, for defense.

When they get a toy they will lay on the floor, on their back, and use
the back feet to peddle. Wrestling with you they will also use those
back feet and back claws to peddle on your skin and SCRATCH.

Twenty-six video showing a cat peddling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yhr0ZUYCSM

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On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 4:50:43 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
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> I was talking to my neighbor yesterday and the cats just ran out the door.. One cat came back in soon after but the other one was just laying by the door when I came back after getting the mail. I know what she wants - me to beg her to come back in so she can ignore me and run away. Instead, I just walked into the house without making eye contact. I sorta was hoping that she'd follow me in but no such luck. When I looked back, the beast was still laying down without a care in the world so I closed the door so she would know that I really meant business. When I opened the door a few seconds later to check if she had decided to come in, she was gone. In the war of wills, the cat has bested me yet again. That's just infuriating.
>
>

Now you know why there is a saying that goes "Dogs have masters, cats have
staff."

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On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 15:14:20 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 4:33:10 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:24:23 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >I've never seen a cat use it's front claws to clean themselves. They'll
>> >use their paws to wash their face and ears and back feet to scratch with.

>>
>> True. So when a cat gets declawed, they only do the front paws? I
>> still think it should be banned though. If people have a problem with
>> the claws, they can get a goldfish.
>>
>>

>I've had two cats that were/are declawed and it was the front paws only.
>Front claws along with the back ones are used for climbing. Front claws
>only, as far as I know, for defense.
>
>When they get a toy they will lay on the floor, on their back, and use
>the back feet to peddle. Wrestling with you they will also use those
>back feet and back claws to peddle on your skin and SCRATCH.
>
>Twenty-six video showing a cat peddling.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yhr0ZUYCSM


Yes, I know that trick. The front paws go around your arm and the back
paws do the paddling


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On 8/13/2018 1:07 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
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>> On 8/11/2018 12:30 PM, Gary wrote:
>>> Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I put this wonderful memento of my parents right out on my
>>>> kitchen counter â the only thing is, I have to place it *securely*
>>>> so that my Persia wonât be able to knock it off when she is up
>>>> slinking around on the counter!
>>>
>>> You are finally so busted! Do you not remember years ago when you
>>> claimed your cat NEVER got on your kitchen countertops? I
>>> remember teasing you for believing that and told you how she did
>>> but just waited until you left the house. lol No, "she never does
>>> that!" You taught her not to.*
>>>
>>> Well, I knew better but now you finally admit it. It took a good
>>> while though. hahaha
>>> Cats own the house. They only let you live there as long as you
>>> treat them nice and feed them regularly.
>>>

>> I never owned an Aunt Jemima Cookie Jar and neither did my mother.* I
>> have no idea where this post came from.

>
> Apparently your dad. It was a wedding gift.


Surely you aren't that dense, Julie.

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