On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 09:25:46 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/9/2018 4:44 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, lid
>> says...
>>>
>>> On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 13:25:04 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 00:09:48 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 15:09:51 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 4:03:42 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> And you don't build fences but bridges. Can you stop with the lame
>>>>>>> cliches, please?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I took down my entire back yard chain link fence!
>>>>
>>>> How do you know it's your fence...
>>>
>>> Because you just quoted the answer which I gave you at the end of
>>> this post. The other side of the fence is public property. he just
>>> gave everybody in town access to the back of his property from a
>>> huge public area, Yet another monumentally stupid idea of his.
>>> Methamphetamine abuse makes you tear shit apart.
>>>
>>> Back of his house street view. Do a 360 and look around.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> or for the nervous,
>>
>> https://preview.tinyurl.com/y7b28t4e
>>
>> I agree. monumentally stupid invitation to every casual thief,
>> inviting them in to his garage, rear garden and back of the house.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>You think it makes a difference? You can jump a fence like that is
>about 2 seconds. They keep small dogs out, not people that want to do
>harm. No fence on my property either.

No one where I live has a fence unless it's for livestock. Most
properties here are bounded by 200-300 year old rock walls. Some put
up 2-3 sections of split rail for growing roses. For privacy fencing
people plant evergreens. Now that I'm thinking about I haven't seen
a chainlink fence since I left Lung Guyland.
I still think there's a good chance that wasn't kootchies chain link
fence, was put up a long time ago on probably a couple three feet on
the town property... won't be long the town will bill Kootchie for a
new fence.

Fences are probably the cause of most neighbor disputes in surburbia
because people put them up over on the neighbors property or right on
the property line. On Lung Guyland a fence needs to be erected 2'
into one's property, allowing for the people who installed it to have
access for maintenence. Here threes sides sof my poperty is bounded
by ancient rock walls. After moving in and having a ssurvey done I
planted a line of trees 15' into my property and 75' apart. My
neighbor likes them and now he knows where to mow, he told me that for
40 years he had been mowing 6' more than he should have. Didn't
really matter because he was born and grew up in my house, when he got
older and married his father sold him the property he built his house
on for $1. Everyone here likes the assortment of trees I planted.
If Kootchie possessed any gray matter he'd have had a survey made...
but then why should he, he doesn't own it.

On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 2:18:17 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:

> No one where I live has a fence unless it's for livestock. Most
> properties here are bounded by 200-300 year old rock walls.

I'd love a rock wall. However, we're on glacial till, so apart
from some erratics it's all gravelly clay with a little topsoil.

Two houses ago I lived on a former sandy beach with a foot of
loam on top. That was some great dirt.

Cindy Hamilton

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> You think it makes a difference? You can jump a fence like that is
> about 2 seconds. They keep small dogs out, not people that want to do
> harm. No fence on my property either.

I'd like to move way down south in Texas. If I can get a piece of
property right next to the Mexican border, I might get a free
fence in my back yard.

Build the fence. You would be on CNN for a day. Maybe get an invite to the WH.

On 8/9/2018 1:05 PM, Janet wrote:

>> You think it makes a difference?
>
> In urban areas, yes. Casual thieves/dossers favour unobstructed entry
> and exit and an excuse to be on the property.John's place adjoins what
> looks like a public park or playing field.
>
> You can jump a fence like that is
>> about 2 seconds. They keep small dogs out, not people that want to do
>> harm. No fence on my property either.
>
> Fences also keep dogs in. A fenced barrier signals "Noisy/vicious dog
> might live here". Removing a fence signals " No dog".
>
> Also, no barrier provides an excuse for intrusion if detected
>
> " I'm looking for my football/dog, I think it came in here".
> "I was just coming to your back door".
>
> Janet UK
>
>

Sorry you live that way. No fences here but next door is a large German
Shepherd and in the back a Pit Bull.

Watch a few episodes of Live PD and see how many fences the bad guys
jump over with ease.

John Kuthe wrote:

> On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 10:48:57 AM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B.
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 20:52:21 -0700 (PDT), "
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 9:55:19 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
> > >>
> > >> No, I'm just genuinely happy I'm getting more housemates in here.
> > >>
> > > Renters.
> > >
> > who expect to have a private life and not have to be watched or have
> > to share their food
>
> NO ONE has to share their food.
>
> I befriended several housemates over my years of shared student
> living and we shared all kinds of stuff. One early housemate became a
> camping and boating buddy for the late 1990s. One female housemate
> and I had a romantic relationship, etc.
>
> But everyone who moves into a shared student living has some agenda
> they are pursuing. School being one very common one! That's how I got
> into it! And STAYED in it because it's less expensive! We share
> costs! DUH!!
>
> I do not and have NO DESIRE to follow YOUR Cultural ideals of
> Capitalism Crap! Consume! Consume! Consume!!! :-(
>
> John Kuthe...
>
> John Kuthe...

One of the apartment arrangements I had as a student was very much a
collective agreement with all utilities split (except you paid your own
LD calls). We also did split meals. I had a second refridgerator and
it was OPTIONAL but those roomates who agreed on an amount per 2week
payperiod (all of us worked various part time jobs and got paid that
way) had free access with some very basic rules.

We agreed breakfast would be cereal during the week plus maybe toast.
On a rotation, 1 of us would pack a lunch for all of us and have it in
the fridge the night before so we could 'grab and go'. Dinner was a
cooked meal that normally would have some type of meat plus your
standard rice/potatoes filler (poor college students). The cooking was
a rough rotation too (Like I was always off Monday and Thursday so was
primary cook for dinner those nights and others would help out or wash
dishes and such).

Very colllective and we worked with one another on exams and stuff or
suddenly got a chance to work a few extra hours.

The one part that didnt work very neatly was the collective shopping.
We fond out fast that some of the guys and gals had no price point
shopping skills. That job devolved to me after ?Melinda? got 2 weeks
worth of liver (and nothing else in meats, due to a sale unaware 2 of
us hated liver with a passion) and Jennifer was getting higher price
packets of '4 chicken pieces' instead of the family pack then splitting
that up to 4 portions.

It worked for us.

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 13:25:04 -0400, wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 00:09:48 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 15:09:51 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 4:03:42 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>> And you don't build fences but bridges. Can you stop with the lame
>>>>> cliches, please?
>>>> I took down my entire back yard chain link fence!
>> How do you know it's your fence...
> Because you just quoted the answer which I gave you at the end of
> this post. The other side of the fence is public property. he just
> gave everybody in town access to the back of his property from a
> huge public area, Yet another monumentally stupid idea of his.
> Methamphetamine abuse makes you tear shit apart.
>
> Back of his house street view. Do a 360 and look around.
>
>
>
> -sw
>
>

Hmmm...new fascia installation in July 2017. The Chinese landlord did
take care of the place.

tert in seattle wrote:

> writes:
> >On 2018-08-09 1:05 PM, Janet wrote:
> >> In article >, says...
> >ight live here". Removing a fence signals " No dog".
> >>
> >> Also, no barrier provides an excuse for intrusion if detected
> >>
> >> " I'm looking for my football/dog, I think it came in here".
> >> "I was just coming to your back door".
> >
> >
> >Hmmm that is similar to an excuse used by the friends and family of a
> >man who was shot on a farm in Saskatchewan last year. Media reports kept
> >talking about how a car with four teens in it had had a flat tire and
> >they were just looking for help with the tire. Curiously, the same car
> >with a flat tire ad been reported to the police about an hour earlier
> >and 20 miles away when one of them used a rifle butt to smash the window
> >of a vehicle they were trying to steal. Then they showed up at the
> >second farm, still with the flat tire, and instead of going to the house
> >to ask for help, or approaching the owners working nearby, one of them
> >jumped out and tried to start an ATV. Yep... just looking for help
> >with a flat.
> >
> >A few years ago I arrived home with my dog, a Malinois, and there was
> >someone in my back yard. He very innocently asked me if I had seen his
> >friend's mother's dog, a golden retriever they were looking for. He
> >didn't know the name of the dog or the alleged owner. He was terrified
> >of my dog.... with good reason. Nice try, but I guess we won't ever see
> >you around here again. Now that I carry a smart phone with me at all
> >times it will be easier to snap a picture of people who may be casing a
> >house.
>
>
> Dave's really on a major snoozefest roll today


Why do you HATE Canada, tert...Dave is an alumnis of SCTV, donchyaknow...his wife is Edith Prickley fer chrissakes...


:-(

--
Best
Greg

writes:
>tert in seattle wrote:
>
>> writes:
>> >On 2018-08-09 1:05 PM, Janet wrote:
>> >> In article >, says...
>> >ight live here". Removing a fence signals " No dog".
>> >>
>> >> Also, no barrier provides an excuse for intrusion if detected
>> >>
>> >> " I'm looking for my football/dog, I think it came in here".
>> >> "I was just coming to your back door".
>> >
>> >
>> >Hmmm that is similar to an excuse used by the friends and family of a
>> >man who was shot on a farm in Saskatchewan last year. Media reports kept
>> >talking about how a car with four teens in it had had a flat tire and
>> >they were just looking for help with the tire. Curiously, the same car
>> >with a flat tire ad been reported to the police about an hour earlier
>> >and 20 miles away when one of them used a rifle butt to smash the window
>> >of a vehicle they were trying to steal. Then they showed up at the
>> >second farm, still with the flat tire, and instead of going to the house
>> >to ask for help, or approaching the owners working nearby, one of them
>> >jumped out and tried to start an ATV. Yep... just looking for help
>> >with a flat.
>> >
>> >A few years ago I arrived home with my dog, a Malinois, and there was
>> >someone in my back yard. He very innocently asked me if I had seen his
>> >friend's mother's dog, a golden retriever they were looking for. He
>> >didn't know the name of the dog or the alleged owner. He was terrified
>> >of my dog.... with good reason. Nice try, but I guess we won't ever see
>> >you around here again. Now that I carry a smart phone with me at all
>> >times it will be easier to snap a picture of people who may be casing a
>> >house.
>>
>>
>> Dave's really on a major snoozefest roll today
>
>
>Why do you HATE Canada, tert...Dave is an alumnis of SCTV,
>donchyaknow...his wife is Edith Prickley fer chrissakes...
>
>
>:-(

that's Dave Thomas, dumbass!

In article >, says...
>
> On 8/9/2018 1:05 PM, Janet wrote:
>
> >> You think it makes a difference?
> >
> > In urban areas, yes. Casual thieves/dossers favour unobstructed entry
> > and exit and an excuse to be on the property.John's place adjoins what
> > looks like a public park or playing field.
> >
> > You can jump a fence like that is
> >> about 2 seconds. They keep small dogs out, not people that want to do
> >> harm. No fence on my property either.
> >
> > Fences also keep dogs in. A fenced barrier signals "Noisy/vicious dog
> > might live here". Removing a fence signals " No dog".
> >
> > Also, no barrier provides an excuse for intrusion if detected
> >
> > " I'm looking for my football/dog, I think it came in here".
> > "I was just coming to your back door".
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> >
>
> Sorry you live that way.

I don't live in an urban area. I live in a rural area, surrounded by a
livestock farm. The first thing I did the day after we moved in here,
was put up a secure stockfence to keep sheep out and dogs in. Dogs that
run loose among livestock get shot and their owner is liable for full
compensation and a huge fine.

No fences here but next door is a large German
> Shepherd and in the back a Pit Bull.

American Pit Bulls are a banned breed here.
(and in much of USA).
>
> Watch a few episodes of Live PD

Never heard of it

> and see how many fences the bad guys
> jump over with ease.

yeah right.

At our previous place (also securely stock-fenced) my GS dog spotted
intruders coming over the boundary fence and went to do her job of
deterring uninvited visitors. One was already over the fence, but
sensibly decided to retreat before the dog reached him. Unfortunately he
didn't jump quite high enough and the barbed wire strand at the top,
grabbed him by the groin and wouldn't let go. Apparently it was agony
and eventually he tore his trousers loose so he could limp away. Such a
shame.

Janet UK

On 2018-08-10 9:33 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> On 8/9/2018 1:05 PM, Janet wrote:
>>
>>>> You think it makes a difference?
>>>
>>> In urban areas, yes. Casual thieves/dossers favour unobstructed entry
>>> and exit and an excuse to be on the property.John's place adjoins what
>>> looks like a public park or playing field.
>>>
>>> You can jump a fence like that is
>>>> about 2 seconds. They keep small dogs out, not people that want to do
>>>> harm. No fence on my property either.
>>>
>>> Fences also keep dogs in. A fenced barrier signals "Noisy/vicious dog
>>> might live here". Removing a fence signals " No dog".
>>>
>>> Also, no barrier provides an excuse for intrusion if detected
>>>
>>> " I'm looking for my football/dog, I think it came in here".
>>> "I was just coming to your back door".
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sorry you live that way.
>
> I don't live in an urban area. I live in a rural area, surrounded by a
> livestock farm. The first thing I did the day after we moved in here,
> was put up a secure stockfence to keep sheep out and dogs in. Dogs that
> run loose among livestock get shot and their owner is liable for full
> compensation and a huge fine.
>
> No fences here but next door is a large German
>> Shepherd and in the back a Pit Bull.
>
> American Pit Bulls are a banned breed here.

And rightly so. There are usually several attacks here every year either
on other dogs or people. However, as soon as banning them is mentioned,
dog lovers scream NO!

On 8/10/2018 1:03 PM, graham wrote:

>>
>> Â*Â* American Pit Bulls are a banned breed here.
>
> And rightly so. There are usually several attacks here every year either
> on other dogs or people. However, as soon as banning them is mentioned,
> dog lovers scream NO!

Its not the breed, its some of the breeders and owners. Some have been
bred to be nasty and they do a good job of it. Others are gentle and
playful. Problem is, you can't tell them apart by looking at them.

Since they can be tough and vicious if trained they way, a certain
segment of society uses them as a status symbol. Sort of like
brandishing a handgun.

On Friday, August 10, 2018 at 4:01:51 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 8/10/2018 1:03 PM, graham wrote:
>
> >> Â*Â* American Pit Bulls are a banned breed here.
> >
> > And rightly so. There are usually several attacks here every year either
> > on other dogs or people. However, as soon as banning them is mentioned,
> > dog lovers scream NO!
>
> Its not the breed, its some of the breeders and owners. Some have been
> bred to be nasty and they do a good job of it. Others are gentle and
> playful. Problem is, you can't tell them apart by looking at them.
>
> Since they can be tough and vicious if trained they way, a certain
> segment of society uses them as a status symbol. Sort of like
> brandishing a handgun.
>
>
My neighbor two doors up had one. She was well trained and very, very
social able. Whenever I'd visit she'd pick her spot and plop down on my
feet. Of course looking at her she easily kept strangers at bay and
away from their house. That was a good thing.

On 8/10/2018 5:31 PM, wrote:

>>
>>>> Â*Â* American Pit Bulls are a banned breed here.
>>>
> My neighbor two doors up had one. She was well trained and very, very
> social able. Whenever I'd visit she'd pick her spot and plop down on my
> feet. Of course looking at her she easily kept strangers at bay and
> away from their house. That was a good thing.
>

My grandson has one. He had him while living with us for a wjile.
Every afternoon he would tug my wife's arm and lead her to the bedroom
so they could take a nap together.

Properly bred nd raised, they are a weet dog. Done wrong, they are bad.
Very bad.