"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 10:20:56 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> ==
>
> You could do what I do ... close your eyes and remember your grandparents
> kitchen) I have lovely memories of mine

You use your imagination? Well bless your little heart! People don't use
their imagination nearly enough.

==

<g> so long as you only think about the good things

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> I'd never buy a stove that I had to clean manually.

That's really a non-issue, Cindy.
I have an old "clean it yourself" stove/oven
-no worries-
I just never clean it.

Whenever I use the oven, I just take down the smoke alarm
from the wall until cooking is done. It's a good plan.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> I'd never buy a stove that I had to clean manually.
>
> That's really a non-issue, Cindy.
> I have an old "clean it yourself" stove/oven
> -no worries-
> I just never clean it.
>
> Whenever I use the oven, I just take down the smoke alarm
> from the wall until cooking is done. It's a good plan.


Two words...Easy Off.

Cheri

Cheri wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> I'd never buy a stove that I had to clean manually.
> >
> > That's really a non-issue, Cindy.
> > I have an old "clean it yourself" stove/oven
> > -no worries-
> > I just never clean it.
> >
> > Whenever I use the oven, I just take down the smoke alarm
> > from the wall until cooking is done. It's a good plan.
>
> Two words...Easy Off.

Ya know, Cheri. I did buy and use that once about 15 years ago to
clean my oven. I was really surprised and amazed just how well
that worked....seriously! I even remember telling others that I
would have done it sooner if I had known just how quick and well
it worked.

On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 12:06:19 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> As you wish. I'd never buy a stove that I had to clean manually.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

That's like not wanting a 63 Corvette because it doesn't come with ABS.

On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 1:35:48 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>
> ==
>
> <g> so long as you only think about the good things

Luckily, I don't have much of a problem doing that.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 1:35:48 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>
> ==
>
> <g> so long as you only think about the good things

Luckily, I don't have much of a problem doing that.

==

Jolly good))

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> I'd never buy a stove that I had to clean manually.
>> >
>> > That's really a non-issue, Cindy.
>> > I have an old "clean it yourself" stove/oven
>> > -no worries-
>> > I just never clean it.
>> >
>> > Whenever I use the oven, I just take down the smoke alarm
>> > from the wall until cooking is done. It's a good plan.
>>
>> Two words...Easy Off.
>
> Ya know, Cheri. I did buy and use that once about 15 years ago to
> clean my oven. I was really surprised and amazed just how well
> that worked....seriously! I even remember telling others that I
> would have done it sooner if I had known just how quick and well
> it worked.


I use it on the bottoms of pans that get cruddy at times. It works very
well.

Cheri

On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 1:37:03 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 12:06:19 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > As you wish. I'd never buy a stove that I had to clean manually.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> That's like not wanting a 63 Corvette because it doesn't come with ABS.

Your analogy is lost on me. For me, a car is a tool to move me
and my stuff from Point A to Point B.

In any event, ABS is really handy up here where it snows.

Cindy Hamilton

On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 1:51:16 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
....
>
> Your analogy is lost on me. For me, a car is a tool to move me
> and my stuff from Point A to Point B.

And THAT is where your understanding of automobile technology is woefully INADEQUATE!!


Namaste

John Kuthe...

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>dsi1 wrote:
>>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > As you wish. I'd never buy a stove that I had to clean manually.
>>
>> That's like not wanting a 63 Corvette because it doesn't come with ABS.
>
>Your analogy is lost on me. For me, a car is a tool to move me
>and my stuff from Point A to Point B.
>
>In any event, ABS is really handy up here where it snows.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

No normal person drives a Corvette (ABS or not) in snow, not even in
rain.

On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 3:06:26 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >dsi1 wrote:
> >>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >
> >> > As you wish. I'd never buy a stove that I had to clean manually.
> >>
> >> That's like not wanting a 63 Corvette because it doesn't come with ABS.
> >
> >Your analogy is lost on me. For me, a car is a tool to move me
> >and my stuff from Point A to Point B.
> >
> >In any event, ABS is really handy up here where it snows.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> No normal person drives a Corvette (ABS or not) in snow, not even in
> rain.

Agreed, yet people do it. In any event, a Corvette provides
insufficient utility even in the summer.

When I had a longer commute, though, the high point of a snowy
day was watching all of the Vettes and Firebirds and whatnot
lugging along because their acceleration was too much for the
conditions. It was virtually impossible for them to press
the pedal delicately enough to make any progress at all.

Cindy Hamilton

On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 8:51:16 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Your analogy is lost on me. For me, a car is a tool to move me
> and my stuff from Point A to Point B.
>
> In any event, ABS is really handy up here where it snows.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

The analogy is that ABS and self-cleaning are features that cars and ovens have these days. You would not expect to find those features in a vintage car or oven.

The main function of a car is not to counter directional instability under low traction conditions and the main function of an oven is not to self-clean itself.

On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 3:38:19 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 8:51:16 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Your analogy is lost on me. For me, a car is a tool to move me
> > and my stuff from Point A to Point B.
> >
> > In any event, ABS is really handy up here where it snows.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> The analogy is that ABS and self-cleaning are features that cars and ovens have these days. You would not expect to find those features in a vintage car or oven.

> The main function of a car is not to counter directional instability under low traction conditions and the main function of an oven is not to self-clean itself.

Not the main function. Still, I would no more own an oven without
self-clean than I would own a car without air-conditioning.

I think we've bottomed out at the fact that I wouldn't buy a vintage
car or a vintage oven. Too much bother in both cases.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:03:25 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 3:38:19 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 8:51:16 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > Your analogy is lost on me. For me, a car is a tool to move me
>> > and my stuff from Point A to Point B.
>> >
>> > In any event, ABS is really handy up here where it snows.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> The analogy is that ABS and self-cleaning are features that cars and ovens have these days. You would not expect to find those features in a vintage car or oven.
>
>> The main function of a car is not to counter directional instability under low traction conditions and the main function of an oven is not to self-clean itself.
>
>Not the main function. Still, I would no more own an oven without
>self-clean than I would own a car without air-conditioning.
>
>I think we've bottomed out at the fact that I wouldn't buy a vintage
>car or a vintage oven. Too much bother in both cases.

I have a vintage car (if '84 is vintage) and it has great
airconditioning: I open the 2 opposing windows. Very breezy.

On 2018-07-16 2:51 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 1:37:03 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 12:06:19 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> As you wish. I'd never buy a stove that I had to clean manually.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> That's like not wanting a 63 Corvette because it doesn't come with ABS.
>
> Your analogy is lost on me. For me, a car is a tool to move me
> and my stuff from Point A to Point B.
>
> In any event, ABS is really handy up here where it snows.
>

It can also be a pain in the ass. My last vehicle at work was a Dodge
Ramcharger van with an extended body. It had ABS and when the roads were
snowy icy I had no real brakes at all.

On 2018-07-16 3:32 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 3:06:26 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
sufficient utility even in the summer.
>
> When I had a longer commute, though, the high point of a snowy
> day was watching all of the Vettes and Firebirds and whatnot
> lugging along because their acceleration was too much for the
> conditions. It was virtually impossible for them to press
> the pedal delicately enough to make any progress at all.




My brother always wanted a Corvette and finally bought one. He was
living in Barrie ON at the time, and that is a snow belt. He lasted only
part way through the first winter with that car and sold it for
something that worked in the snow. Years later he bought one as a
summer car, but he only kept it for about two years.


Speaking of sports cars.... there was an interesting incident here last
week. There is a company that has a bunch of exotic sports cars that
offers track time and VIP tours with an adrenaline boost. They bring
them down to Niagara and the the people get to drive each of the cars
for about an hour. They have a pace car and scouts to watch out for
police. The scouts check out the the route to see if there are any cops,
then contact the pace car and they head out at high speed.

They got busted big time last week. The cops used a drone to track
them. The rich kids with expensive toys got a rude surprise. When you
get caught driving more than 50 kph over the limit here it is called
stunt driving and the penalties are severe. The driver's license is
automatically suspended for a week and the car is impounded for a week.
They have to pay $180 to get their license reinstated and they have to
pay towing and impound fees. Then they have a date with the court and
face a minimum fine of $1000 and additional license suspension, even
possibly jail time.

The cars impounded included a Porsche Cayenne,a McLaren, a Mercedes
AMG-GT and a Nissan GT-R. The company is claiming they had nothing to do
with the speeding and that they suspended the pace care driver and he
has to take a safety course.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:53:29 GMT, "l not -l" > wrote:

>
>On 16-Jul-2018, wrote:
>
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >dsi1 wrote:
>> >>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > As you wish. I'd never buy a stove that I had to clean manually.
>> >>
>> >> That's like not wanting a 63 Corvette because it doesn't come with ABS.
>> >
>> >Your analogy is lost on me. For me, a car is a tool to move me
>> >and my stuff from Point A to Point B.
>> >
>> >In any event, ABS is really handy up here where it snows.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> No normal person drives a Corvette (ABS or not) in snow, not even in
>> rain.
>I can't recall ever meeting a Corvette owner that seemed a normal person.
>Around here they are pretty much all owned by very over-weight females,
>self-absorbed "pretty boys" or old doctors or lawyers having late-life
>crises.

That's 50% of the population.

On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 11:38:43 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> It can also be a pain in the ass. My last vehicle at work was a Dodge
> Ramcharger van with an extended body. It had ABS and when the roads were
> snowy icy I had no real brakes at all.

Trucks and vans will often have a primitive ABS system that reduces brake line pressure to the rear wheels if it senses both wheels in the rear slipping. It's not meant for driving in the snow and ice. Mostly, it's meant to keep the rear wheels from locking up in vans and trucks - especially if you're driving without a load in the rear.

On 2018-07-16 5:53 PM, l not -l wrote:
..
> I can't recall ever meeting a Corvette owner that seemed a normal person.
> Around here they are pretty much all owned by very over-weight females,
> self-absorbed "pretty boys" or old doctors or lawyers having late-life
> crises.

There is an old joke about the difference between Corvettes and Cacti.
A Cactus had the pricks on the outside.

On 2018-07-16 6:07 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 11:38:43 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> It can also be a pain in the ass. My last vehicle at work was a
>> Dodge Ramcharger van with an extended body. It had ABS and when the
>> roads were snowy icy I had no real brakes at all.
>
> Trucks and vans will often have a primitive ABS system that reduces
> brake line pressure to the rear wheels if it senses both wheels in
> the rear slipping. It's not meant for driving in the snow and ice.
> Mostly, it's meant to keep the rear wheels from locking up in vans
> and trucks - especially if you're driving without a load in the
> rear.

You are obviously not a mechanic. There are sensors on all four wheels
and they act to prevent the wheels from locking up.

On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 2:06:26 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >dsi1 wrote:
> >>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >
> >> > As you wish. I'd never buy a stove that I had to clean manually.
> >>
> >> That's like not wanting a 63 Corvette because it doesn't come with ABS.
> >
> >Your analogy is lost on me. For me, a car is a tool to move me
> >and my stuff from Point A to Point B.
> >
> >In any event, ABS is really handy up here where it snows.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> No normal person drives a Corvette (ABS or not) in snow, not even in
> rain.

And of course ShelDUM would know all all about "normal" people! ;-)

I'm an RN, I know a lot about ALL the people! Even YOU ShelDUM! And about The Donald too.

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe

On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
....
>
> You are obviously not a mechanic. There are sensors on all four wheels
> and they act to prevent the wheels from locking up.

And I'm sure you know that on each and every vehicle with ABS they all work exactly the same way!

John Kuthe...

On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 15:33:39 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 2:06:26 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> >Your analogy is lost on me. For me, a car is a tool to move me
>> >and my stuff from Point A to Point B.
>> >
>> >In any event, ABS is really handy up here where it snows.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> No normal person drives a Corvette (ABS or not) in snow, not even in
>> rain.
>
>And of course ShelDUM would know all all about "normal" people! ;-)
>
>I'm an RN, I know a lot about ALL the people! Even YOU ShelDUM! And about The Donald too.

What do you know about the Führer that we don't?

On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 5:54:44 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
....
> What do you know about the Führer that we don't?

I can't know what YOU know about The Fuhrer, so I can't answer.

John Kuthe...

On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 12:33:07 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> You are obviously not a mechanic. There are sensors on all four wheels
> and they act to prevent the wheels from locking up.

I'm not a mechanic but why would you say that's obvious? A lot of trucks and vans have a one channel system. I have no idea what your particular truck has but that's pretty much irrelevant. What I said was 100% true.

Modern trucks and cars have 4-channel ABS systems, I can't say if all trucks do. My 97 Dakota has a single sensor system that affects only the rear brakes. It sucks but it's better than nothing. Pickup trucks are especially prone to the rear wheels locking up and have had mechanical systems in place to reduce the chance of the rear end sliding around even before speed-sensing, hydraulic ABS.

The Fiats I had during the 80's had such a system. They also had 4 wheel disks, 5-speed transmissions, belt-driven double overhead cams, as well as that rear anti-lock system. Those Fiats were wonderful advanced cars.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 16:00:37 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 5:54:44 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
>...
>> What do you know about the Führer that we don't?
>
>I can't know what YOU know about The Fuhrer, so I can't answer.

I know one thing. Trump thinks like a dog. And in Putin he's met a
bigger dog. Trump's reaction to Putin: submission.

Embarrassing.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-07-16 6:07 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 11:38:43 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> It can also be a pain in the ass. My last vehicle at work was a
>>> Dodge Ramcharger van with an extended body. It had ABS and when the
>>> roads were snowy icy I had no real brakes at all.
>>
>> Trucks and vans will often have a primitive ABS system that reduces
>> brake line pressure to the rear wheels if it senses both wheels in
>> the rear slipping. It's not meant for driving in the snow and ice.
>> Mostly, it's meant to keep the rear wheels from locking up in vans
>> and trucks - especially if you're driving without a load in the
>> rear.
>
> You are obviously not a mechanic. There are sensors on all four wheels
> and they act to prevent the wheels from locking up.
>
>
>
>


Don't know about the vans, but we have a dodge ram pickup which has ABS
only on the rear wheels.

On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 6:45:24 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 16:00:37 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
> >On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 5:54:44 PM UTC-5, Druce wrote:
> >...
> >> What do you know about the Führer that we don't?
> >
> >I can't know what YOU know about The Fuhrer, so I can't answer.
>
> I know one thing. Trump thinks like a dog. And in Putin he's met a
> bigger dog. Trump's reaction to Putin: submission.
>
> Embarrassing.

Yep! Drumpf is basically bending over and letting Putin PUT IT IN!!

Wimp! I'm embarrassed that it ever got to be POTUS!

:-(

John Kuthe...

On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 2:23:27 PM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> Don't know about the vans, but we have a dodge ram pickup which has ABS
> only on the rear wheels.

Yeah, you see that it has "ABS" right on the brake pedal and you think, hey that's pretty cool. Then you look at the master cylinder and think, hey what the hell is this crap? Hee hee.

On 7/16/2018 5:53 PM, l not -l wrote:

> I can't recall ever meeting a Corvette owner that seemed a normal person.
> Around here they are pretty much all owned by very over-weight females,
> self-absorbed "pretty boys" or old doctors or lawyers having late-life
> crises.
>

The average age of a Corvette owner is something like 61. It has gone
up in recent years. I know 4 owners and they are 45, 65, 70, 74.

On 7/16/2018 5:55 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> Speaking of sports cars.... there was an interesting incident here last
> week. There is a companyÂ* that has a bunch of exotic sports cars that
> offers track time andÂ* VIP tours with an adrenaline boost.
> The cars impounded included a Porsche Cayenne,a McLaren, a Mercedes
> AMG-GT and a Nissan GT-R. The company is claiming they had nothing to do
> with the speeding and that they suspended the pace care driver and he
> has to take a safety course.
>
>
>
>
Last Friday a guy in Virginia bought a Mclaren for $300k. Totaled it
the next day hitting a tree at speed. Guess he needed driving lessons.

On 2018-07-16 9:58 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/16/2018 5:53 PM, l not -l wrote:
>
>> I can't recall ever meeting a Corvette owner that seemed a normal person.
>> Around here they are pretty much all owned by very over-weight females,
>> self-absorbed "pretty boys" or old doctors or lawyers having late-life
>> crises.
>>
>
> The average age of a Corvette owner is something like 61.Â* It has gone
> up in recent years.Â* I know 4 owners and they are 45, 65, 70, 74.

That is similar to shift in demographics or motorcyclists these days.
The average age of motorcycle has been climbing steadily for years.

On 2018-07-16 10:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/16/2018 5:55 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> Speaking of sports cars.... there was an interesting incident here
>> last week. There is a companyÂ* that has a bunch of exotic sports cars
>> that offers track time andÂ* VIP tours with an adrenaline boost. The
>> cars impounded included a Porsche Cayenne,a McLaren, a Mercedes AMG-GT
>> and a Nissan GT-R. The company is claiming they had nothing to do with
>> the speeding and that they suspended the pace care driver and he has
>> to take a safety course.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Last Friday a guy in Virginia bought a Mclaren for $300k.Â* Totaled it
> the next day hitting a tree at speed.Â* Guess he needed driving lessons.

There was a $500,000 crash in Toronto when a sport car met for a photo
shoot, and it was all caught on video. The driver of a McLaren hit the
gas, lost control and crashed into an Audi R8.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/05/...runched-crash/

Then there was an incident with a three car crash involving a Porsche
Boxter, a McLaren Spider and a Lamborghini.
https://www.blogto.com/city/2018/05/...ville-toronto/

On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 10:12:08 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-07-16 10:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 7/16/2018 5:55 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Speaking of sports cars.... there was an interesting incident here
> >> last week. There is a companyÂ* that has a bunch of exotic sports cars
> >> that offers track time andÂ* VIP tours with an adrenaline boost. The
> >> cars impounded included a Porsche Cayenne,a McLaren, a Mercedes AMG-GT
> >> and a Nissan GT-R. The company is claiming they had nothing to do with
> >> the speeding and that they suspended the pace care driver and he has
> >> to take a safety course.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > Last Friday a guy in Virginia bought a Mclaren for $300k.Â* Totaled it
> > the next day hitting a tree at speed.Â* Guess he needed driving lessons.
>
> There was a $500,000 crash in Toronto when a sport car met for a photo
> shoot, and it was all caught on video. The driver of a McLaren hit the
> gas, lost control and crashed into an Audi R8.
>
> https://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/05/...runched-crash/
>
> Then there was an incident with a three car crash involving a Porsche
> Boxter, a McLaren Spider and a Lamborghini.
> https://www.blogto.com/city/2018/05/...ville-toronto/

Ouches!! :-(

It's a shame to see really rare precious old iron get entropized!

But good riddance!

John Kuthe...

"l not -l" wrote in message ...


On 16-Jul-2018, wrote:

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >dsi1 wrote:
> >>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >
> >> > As you wish. I'd never buy a stove that I had to clean manually.
> >>
> >> That's like not wanting a 63 Corvette because it doesn't come with ABS.
> >
> >Your analogy is lost on me. For me, a car is a tool to move me
> >and my stuff from Point A to Point B.
> >
> >In any event, ABS is really handy up here where it snows.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> No normal person drives a Corvette (ABS or not) in snow, not even in
> rain.
I can't recall ever meeting a Corvette owner that seemed a normal person.
Around here they are pretty much all owned by very over-weight females,
self-absorbed "pretty boys" or old doctors or lawyers having late-life
crises.

==

I don't know it but that looks like a nice car. What do those who are not
very over-weight females, self-absorbed "pretty boys" or old doctors or
lawyers having late-life crises drive? <g>

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 12:33:07 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> You are obviously not a mechanic. There are sensors on all four wheels
> and they act to prevent the wheels from locking up.

I'm not a mechanic but why would you say that's obvious? A lot of trucks and
vans have a one channel system. I have no idea what your particular truck
has but that's pretty much irrelevant. What I said was 100% true.

Modern trucks and cars have 4-channel ABS systems, I can't say if all trucks
do. My 97 Dakota has a single sensor system that affects only the rear
brakes. It sucks but it's better than nothing. Pickup trucks are especially
prone to the rear wheels locking up and have had mechanical systems in place
to reduce the chance of the rear end sliding around even before
speed-sensing, hydraulic ABS.

The Fiats I had during the 80's had such a system. They also had 4 wheel
disks, 5-speed transmissions, belt-driven double overhead cams, as well as
that rear anti-lock system. Those Fiats were wonderful advanced cars.


===

Once upon a time I had a Fiat Spider. I don't think it had all that though
.... do it? (although it was long before the 80s)

"l not -l" wrote in message ...


On 16-Jul-2018, wrote:

> On 2018-07-16 3:32 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 3:06:26 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> sufficient utility even in the summer.
> >
> > When I had a longer commute, though, the high point of a snowy
> > day was watching all of the Vettes and Firebirds and whatnot
> > lugging along because their acceleration was too much for the
> > conditions. It was virtually impossible for them to press
> > the pedal delicately enough to make any progress at all.
>
>
>
>
> My brother always wanted a Corvette and finally bought one. He was
> living in Barrie ON at the time, and that is a snow belt. He lasted only
> part way through the first winter with that car and sold it for
> something that worked in the snow. Years later he bought one as a
> summer car, but he only kept it for about two years.
>
>
> Speaking of sports cars.... there was an interesting incident here last
> week.
We had an interesting supercar incident here last week, at a gas station
about a mile from my house. A $400k (according to TV news) Lamborghini was
destroyed by fire when a minivan at an adjacent pump pulled away with the
nozzle still in the filler neck, spraying gas onto the Lambo.
http://www.websterkirkwoodtimes.com/...-In-Smoke.html

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Wow! Who will have to pay for that???

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...

On 7/16/2018 5:53 PM, l not -l wrote:

> I can't recall ever meeting a Corvette owner that seemed a normal person.
> Around here they are pretty much all owned by very over-weight females,
> self-absorbed "pretty boys" or old doctors or lawyers having late-life
> crises.
>

The average age of a Corvette owner is something like 61. It has gone
up in recent years. I know 4 owners and they are 45, 65, 70, 74.

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Why? They look like really nice cars!

"Ophelia" wrote in message ...



"dsi1" wrote in message
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On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 12:33:07 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> You are obviously not a mechanic. There are sensors on all four wheels
> and they act to prevent the wheels from locking up.

I'm not a mechanic but why would you say that's obvious? A lot of trucks and
vans have a one channel system. I have no idea what your particular truck
has but that's pretty much irrelevant. What I said was 100% true.

Modern trucks and cars have 4-channel ABS systems, I can't say if all trucks
do. My 97 Dakota has a single sensor system that affects only the rear
brakes. It sucks but it's better than nothing. Pickup trucks are especially
prone to the rear wheels locking up and have had mechanical systems in place
to reduce the chance of the rear end sliding around even before
speed-sensing, hydraulic ABS.

The Fiats I had during the 80's had such a system. They also had 4 wheel
disks, 5-speed transmissions, belt-driven double overhead cams, as well as
that rear anti-lock system. Those Fiats were wonderful advanced cars.


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Once upon a time I had a Fiat Spider. I don't think it had all that though
.... do it? (although it was long before the 80s)

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Do it??? lol sorry.