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On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 12:38:41 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message > ... > > On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 6:19:42 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: > > Please join in. It would be interesting to hear how others' use it  > > > > -- > > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk > > I was thinking about putting frozen meat directly into the hot water bath > and adding a half hour to the cooking time. Have you tried this? > > == > > No I haven't. I read that can be dangerous. It take the meat so long to > get up to temp, bacteria can grow to a dangerous level. > > > -- > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk I shall take that under advisement. |
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On 11/18/17 7:40 AM, casa chevrolet wrote:
> On 11/18/2017 3:38 AM, Ophelia wrote: >> "dsi1" wrote in message >> ... >> >> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 6:19:42 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: >>> Please join in. It would be interesting to hear how others' use it >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk >> >> I was thinking about putting frozen meat directly into the hot water >> bath and adding a half hour to the cooking time. Have you tried this? >> >> == >> >> No I haven't. I read that can be dangerous. It take the meat so long >> to get up to temp, bacteria can grow to a dangerous level. >> >> > > I'll ditto that from the websites I read. how long does it take your sous vide to get up to temp? how long does it take your meat to thaw? putting frozen meat into a cold sous vide while bringing it up to temp just speeds up the defrosting time...I've never had a problem doing it |
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On 11/18/2017 12:44 PM, ZZyXX wrote:
> On 11/18/17 7:40 AM, casa chevrolet wrote: >> On 11/18/2017 3:38 AM, Ophelia wrote: >>> "dsi1"Â* wrote in message >>> ... >>> >>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 6:19:42 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: >>>> Please join in.Â* It would be interesting to hear how others' use it >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk >>> >>> I was thinking about putting frozen meat directly into the hot water >>> bath and adding a half hour to the cooking time. Have you tried this? >>> >>> == >>> >>> No I haven't.Â* I read that can be dangerous.Â* It take the meat so long >>> to get up to temp, bacteria can grow to a dangerous level. >>> >>> >> >> I'll ditto that from the websites I read. > > how long does it take your sous vide to get up to temp? Depending on the temp chosen, roughly 20 minutes if I'm shooting for say 160F. Less (10-15) for 134F. > how long does it > take your meat to thaw? Several hours in a cold sink bath. > putting frozen meat into a cold sous vide while > bringing it up to temp just speeds up the defrosting time...I've never > had a problem doing it The problem is akin to thawing meat in a sink of hot water instead of cold. The exterior par-cooks and bacteria flourish. Always thaw meat in ice cold water. |
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 15:57:40 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
wrote in rec.food.cooking: > >> On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 08:44:53 -0500, Gary > wrote: >> >> > Ophelia wrote: >> >> >> >> "dsi1" wrote: >> >> I was thinking about putting frozen meat directly into the hot >> water bath >> and adding a half hour to the cooking time. Have you >> tried this? >> >> >> == >> >> >> >> No I haven't. I read that can be dangerous. It take the meat so >> long to >> get up to temp, bacteria can grow to a dangerous level. >> > >> > For this same reason, anytime I cook something with meat in my >> > crockpot, I always turn it on high to get to that simmer, then >> > turn it to low to cook for the day. 24 hour cooking when making >> > chicken stock. >> >> Why can't you slow cook on your stove top? And if your smallest >> burner won't go low enough either adjust it (gas burners can be >> adjusted) or use a flame tamer, they're made for gas or electric. > >Because Sheldon, for the 1000th time, that is WAAAYYY more expensive. >You may be built of money but others have to actually use a brain cell >now and again and realize 25cents in a crockpot is a better deal than >8$ on the stove top. Imbecile... it costs less to slow cook on a stove top. |
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 17:25:25 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
wrote in rec.food.cooking: > >> On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 15:57:40 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote: >> >> > wrote in rec.food.cooking: >> > >> >> On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 08:44:53 -0500, Gary > wrote: >> >> >> >> > Ophelia wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> "dsi1" wrote: >> >> >> I was thinking about putting frozen meat directly into the hot >> >> water bath >> and adding a half hour to the cooking time. Have you >> >> tried this? >> >> >> >> == >> >> >> >> >> >> No I haven't. I read that can be dangerous. It take the meat >> so >> long to >> get up to temp, bacteria can grow to a dangerous >> level. >> > >> >> > For this same reason, anytime I cook something with meat in my >> >> > crockpot, I always turn it on high to get to that simmer, then >> >> > turn it to low to cook for the day. 24 hour cooking when making >> >> > chicken stock. >> >> >> >> Why can't you slow cook on your stove top? And if your smallest >> >> burner won't go low enough either adjust it (gas burners can be >> >> adjusted) or use a flame tamer, they're made for gas or electric. >> > >> > Because Sheldon, for the 1000th time, that is WAAAYYY more >> > expensive. You may be built of money but others have to actually >> > use a brain cell now and again and realize 25cents in a crockpot is >> > a better deal than 8$ on the stove top. >> >> Imbecile... it costs less to slow cook on a stove top. > >It whatever galaxy you live maybe, but I live in the regular one. Are Slow Cookers Really Energy Efficient? Slow cookers, first marketed under the brand name crock-pot, are often recommended for busy cooks. You put in the food, turn it on low, and seven or eight hours later you have a delicious meal. Frugal cooks prefer slow cookers too. But are slow cookers truly energy efficient, as is often claimed? Apparently, we’ve been misled—even compared to the oven, which is considered an inefficient cooking method. The entire oven has to be heated even for a small item, and little of the heat gets to the food. But the oven does work efficiently by cycling on and off according to the internal temperature via a thermostat. I haven’t tested mine, but online I’ve seen 12-15 minutes of use during a full hour. So while the heating elements use 1000-2000 watts an hour, most of the time they will be off and your usage is only about a quarter of that. A lot depends on your oven, its size, and how often you open it. Slow cookers, also known by the brand name Crock Pot, don’t usually have a thermostat. It uses a small amount of wattage, but continuously. Doug Cotes over at The Dollar Stretcher calculated that to run his oven for an hour requires 600 watts. He writes: Our slow-cooker is a large 5-quart brand with a low cooking power of 180 watts and a high cooking power of 250 watts. It’s information you find on the label. . . . the slow-cooker cooks continuously. What that means is if you cook on high with a 250 watt hour element for 4 hours, you use (4 X 250) 1000 watt hours of electricity. If you cook on low with a 180 watt hour element for 8 hours, you use (8 X 180) 1440 watt hours of electricity. No energy savings at my house. If you have a small slow-cooker with a low range that uses a 70-watt element, cooking for 8 hours only uses 560-watt hours of electricity. Some newer models of slow cookers do have thermostats to regulate the temperature during cooking, in which case the above would probably not apply. Of course, there are other factors that go into cooking decisions. If you are making a casserole in the oven you can bake bread or roast vegetables at the same time. If you want s hot meal as soon as you get back from work, nothing beats the slow cooker. It’s especially good if you come home at a different time each day. My husband once left a chicken in the slow cooker for three days, and it came out just fine. Here is a different calculation with the slow cooker coming out way ahead, from the blog Organizing the Four of Us: The verdict: 3.2 amps used in the slow cooker versus 9.665 amps drawn from the oven OR if you want to compare the figures to your electricity bill the slow cooker used .768 kWs in 8 hours and our oven used 2.320 kWs in the time taken to cook those dear potatoes Our slow cooker draws .4 amps on the low setting (I use this setting for most of our slow cooked meals).* ..4 amps by 8 hours is a total of 3.2 amps (.768 kWs) used for the duration of our cooking time. Thanks to reader Gail for bringing it to my attention. I have noticed that having on the slow cooker increases the temperature of my kitchen, so I don’t like to use it in the summer. If you have a small cooker, be sure to compare costs. |
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On 11/18/2017 6:25 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>> >>>> Why can't you slow cook on your stove top? And if your smallest >>>> burner won't go low enough either adjust it (gas burners can be >>>> adjusted) or use a flame tamer, they're made for gas or electric. >>> >>> Because Sheldon, for the 1000th time, that is WAAAYYY more >>> expensive. You may be built of money but others have to actually >>> use a brain cell now and again and realize 25cents in a crockpot is >>> a better deal than 8$ on the stove top. >> >> Imbecile... it costs less to slow cook on a stove top. > > It whatever galaxy you live maybe, but I live in the regular one. > Probably not a huge deference, but there definitely is one. . Crock pots tend to be efficient and cheap to operate. Both gas and electric will have some heat loss compared to the crock pot so there will be some difference, but not huge. To maintain the food at a given temperature it takes the same amount of energy, no matter the source. With my high rates in CT the crockpot is about 4 cents per hour on low. The range would definitely use more, but only a guess is double that, maybe more. Gas is cheaper than electric, maybe half. I cook with propane and just got a delivery today. Works out to about $10 a month. If we make soup or beef stew, the burner is on for 4 to 5 hours so you can see it is really cheap per hour. The lowest burner is about 2 cents per hour. Comes down to efficiency so not something I worry about given the minimal difference. |
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 17:06:12 -0700, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote: >On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 17:25:25 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote: > wrote in rec.food.cooking: >> >>> On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 15:57:40 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote: >>> >>> > wrote in rec.food.cooking: >>> > >>> >> On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 08:44:53 -0500, Gary > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > Ophelia wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> "dsi1" wrote: >>> >> >> I was thinking about putting frozen meat directly into the hot >>> >> water bath >> and adding a half hour to the cooking time. Have you >>> >> tried this? >> >>> >> >> == >>> >> >> >>> >> >> No I haven't. I read that can be dangerous. It take the meat >>> so >> long to >> get up to temp, bacteria can grow to a dangerous >>> level. >> > >>> >> > For this same reason, anytime I cook something with meat in my >>> >> > crockpot, I always turn it on high to get to that simmer, then >>> >> > turn it to low to cook for the day. 24 hour cooking when making >>> >> > chicken stock. >>> >> >>> >> Why can't you slow cook on your stove top? And if your smallest >>> >> burner won't go low enough either adjust it (gas burners can be >>> >> adjusted) or use a flame tamer, they're made for gas or electric. >>> > >>> > Because Sheldon, for the 1000th time, that is WAAAYYY more >>> > expensive. You may be built of money but others have to actually >>> > use a brain cell now and again and realize 25cents in a crockpot is >>> > a better deal than 8$ on the stove top. >>> >>> Imbecile... it costs less to slow cook on a stove top. >> >>It whatever galaxy you live maybe, but I live in the regular one. > >Are Slow Cookers Really Energy Efficient? > >Slow cookers, first marketed under the brand name crock-pot, are often >recommended for busy cooks. You put in the food, turn it on low, and >seven or eight hours later you have a delicious meal. Frugal cooks >prefer slow cookers too. But are slow cookers truly energy efficient, >as is often claimed? >Apparently, we’ve been misled—even compared to the oven, which is >considered an inefficient cooking method. The entire oven has to be >heated even for a small item, and little of the heat gets to the food. >But the oven does work efficiently by cycling on and off according to >the internal temperature via a thermostat. I haven’t tested mine, but >online I’ve seen 12-15 minutes of use during a full hour. So while the >heating elements use 1000-2000 watts an hour, most of the time they >will be off and your usage is only about a quarter of that. A lot >depends on your oven, its size, and how often you open it. >Slow cookers, also known by the brand name Crock Pot, don’t usually >have a thermostat. It uses a small amount of wattage, but >continuously. Doug Cotes over at The Dollar Stretcher calculated that >to run his oven for an hour requires 600 watts. He writes: > >Our slow-cooker is a large 5-quart brand with a low cooking power of >180 watts and a high cooking power of 250 watts. It’s information you >find on the label. . . . the slow-cooker cooks continuously. What that >means is if you cook on high with a 250 watt hour element for 4 hours, >you use (4 X 250) 1000 watt hours of electricity. If you cook on low >with a 180 watt hour element for 8 hours, you use (8 X 180) 1440 watt >hours of electricity. No energy savings at my house. If you have a >small slow-cooker with a low range that uses a 70-watt element, >cooking for 8 hours only uses 560-watt hours of electricity. >Some newer models of slow cookers do have thermostats to regulate the >temperature during cooking, in which case the above would probably not >apply. >Of course, there are other factors that go into cooking decisions. If >you are making a casserole in the oven you can bake bread or roast >vegetables at the same time. If you want s hot meal as soon as you get >back from work, nothing beats the slow cooker. It’s especially good if >you come home at a different time each day. My husband once left a >chicken in the slow cooker for three days, and it came out just fine. >Here is a different calculation with the slow cooker coming out way >ahead, from the blog Organizing the Four of Us: >The verdict: 3.2 amps used in the slow cooker versus 9.665 amps drawn >from the oven OR if you want to compare the figures to your >electricity bill the slow cooker used .768 kWs in 8 hours and our oven >used 2.320 kWs in the time taken to cook those dear potatoes >Our slow cooker draws .4 amps on the low setting (I use this setting >for most of our slow cooked meals).* >.4 amps by 8 hours is a total of 3.2 amps (.768 kWs) used for the >duration of our cooking time. >Thanks to reader Gail for bringing it to my attention. > >I have noticed that having on the slow cooker increases the >temperature of my kitchen, so I don’t like to use it in the summer. If >you have a small cooker, be sure to compare costs. Comparing a slow cooker to an oven is NOT the same as comparing a slow cooker to a stove top burner... a stove top burner will always be more energy efficient. |
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U.S. Janet B. wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> The verdict: 3.2 amps used in the slow cooker versus 9.665 amps drawn > from the oven OR if you want to compare the figures to your > electricity bill the slow cooker used .768 kWs in 8 hours and our oven > used 2.320 kWs in the time taken to cook those dear potatoes "The verdict: 3.2 amps used in the slow cooker versus 9.665 amps drawn from the oven OR if you want to compare the figures to your electricity bill the slow cooker used .768 kWs in 8 hours and our oven used 2.320 kWs in the time taken to cook those dear potatoes" So is there confusion? -- |
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> On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 17:06:12 -0700, U.S. Janet B. > > wrote: > > >On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 17:25:25 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote: > > > > > wrote in rec.food.cooking: > > > > >>> On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 15:57:40 -0600, "cshenk" > > wrote: >>> > >>> > wrote in rec.food.cooking: > >>> > > >>> >> On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 08:44:53 -0500, Gary > > wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> > Ophelia wrote: > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> "dsi1" wrote: > >>> >> >> I was thinking about putting frozen meat directly into the > hot >>> >> water bath >> and adding a half hour to the cooking time. > Have you >>> >> tried this? >> > >>> >> >> == > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> No I haven't. I read that can be dangerous. It take the > meat >>> so >> long to >> get up to temp, bacteria can grow to a > dangerous >>> level. >> > > >>> >> > For this same reason, anytime I cook something with meat in > my >>> >> > crockpot, I always turn it on high to get to that simmer, > then >>> >> > turn it to low to cook for the day. 24 hour cooking > when making >>> >> > chicken stock. > >>> >> > >>> >> Why can't you slow cook on your stove top? And if your > smallest >>> >> burner won't go low enough either adjust it (gas > burners can be >>> >> adjusted) or use a flame tamer, they're made > for gas or electric. >>> > > >>> > Because Sheldon, for the 1000th time, that is WAAAYYY more > >>> > expensive. You may be built of money but others have to > actually >>> > use a brain cell now and again and realize 25cents in > a crockpot is >>> > a better deal than 8$ on the stove top. > >>> > >>> Imbecile... it costs less to slow cook on a stove top. > > > > > > It whatever galaxy you live maybe, but I live in the regular one. > > > > Are Slow Cookers Really Energy Efficient? > > > > Slow cookers, first marketed under the brand name crock-pot, are > > often recommended for busy cooks. You put in the food, turn it on > > low, and seven or eight hours later you have a delicious meal. > > Frugal cooks prefer slow cookers too. But are slow cookers truly > > energy efficient, as is often claimed? > > Apparently, we’ve been misled—even compared to the oven, which is > > considered an inefficient cooking method. The entire oven has to be > > heated even for a small item, and little of the heat gets to the > > food. But the oven does work efficiently by cycling on and off > > according to the internal temperature via a thermostat. I haven’t > > tested mine, but online I’ve seen 12-15 minutes of use during a > > full hour. So while the heating elements use 1000-2000 watts an > > hour, most of the time they will be off and your usage is only > > about a quarter of that. A lot depends on your oven, its size, and > > how often you open it. Slow cookers, also known by the brand name > > Crock Pot, don’t usually have a thermostat. It uses a small amount > > of wattage, but continuously. Doug Cotes over at The Dollar > > Stretcher calculated that to run his oven for an hour requires 600 > > watts. He writes: > > > > Our slow-cooker is a large 5-quart brand with a low cooking power of > > 180 watts and a high cooking power of 250 watts. It’s information > > you find on the label. . . . the slow-cooker cooks continuously. > > What that means is if you cook on high with a 250 watt hour element > > for 4 hours, you use (4 X 250) 1000 watt hours of electricity. If > > you cook on low with a 180 watt hour element for 8 hours, you use > > (8 X 180) 1440 watt hours of electricity. No energy savings at my > > house. If you have a small slow-cooker with a low range that uses a > > 70-watt element, cooking for 8 hours only uses 560-watt hours of > > electricity. Some newer models of slow cookers do have thermostats > > to regulate the temperature during cooking, in which case the above > > would probably not apply. > > Of course, there are other factors that go into cooking decisions. > > If you are making a casserole in the oven you can bake bread or > > roast vegetables at the same time. If you want s hot meal as soon > > as you get back from work, nothing beats the slow cooker. It’s > > especially good if you come home at a different time each day. My > > husband once left a chicken in the slow cooker for three days, and > > it came out just fine. Here is a different calculation with the > > slow cooker coming out way ahead, from the blog Organizing the Four > > of Us: The verdict: 3.2 amps used in the slow cooker versus 9.665 > > amps drawn from the oven OR if you want to compare the figures to > > your electricity bill the slow cooker used .768 kWs in 8 hours and > > our oven used 2.320 kWs in the time taken to cook those dear > > potatoes Our slow cooker draws .4 amps on the low setting (I use > > this setting for most of our slow cooked meals).* > > .4 amps by 8 hours is a total of 3.2 amps (.768 kWs) used for the > > duration of our cooking time. > > Thanks to reader Gail for bringing it to my attention. > > > > I have noticed that having on the slow cooker increases the > > temperature of my kitchen, so I don’t like to use it in the summer. > > If you have a small cooker, be sure to compare costs. > > Comparing a slow cooker to an oven is NOT the same as comparing a slow > cooker to a stove top burner... a stove top burner will always be more > energy efficient. 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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...
On 11/18/2017 6:25 PM, cshenk wrote: >>>> >>>> Why can't you slow cook on your stove top? And if your smallest >>>> burner won't go low enough either adjust it (gas burners can be >>>> adjusted) or use a flame tamer, they're made for gas or electric. >>> >>> Because Sheldon, for the 1000th time, that is WAAAYYY more >>> expensive. You may be built of money but others have to actually >>> use a brain cell now and again and realize 25cents in a crockpot is >>> a better deal than 8$ on the stove top. >> >> Imbecile... it costs less to slow cook on a stove top. > > It whatever galaxy you live maybe, but I live in the regular one. > Probably not a huge deference, but there definitely is one. . Crock pots tend to be efficient and cheap to operate. Both gas and electric will have some heat loss compared to the crock pot so there will be some difference, but not huge. To maintain the food at a given temperature it takes the same amount of energy, no matter the source. With my high rates in CT the crockpot is about 4 cents per hour on low. The range would definitely use more, but only a guess is double that, maybe more. Gas is cheaper than electric, maybe half. I cook with propane and just got a delivery today. Works out to about $10 a month. If we make soup or beef stew, the burner is on for 4 to 5 hours so you can see it is really cheap per hour. The lowest burner is about 2 cents per hour. Comes down to efficiency so not something I worry about given the minimal difference. == Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I don't need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 7:06:19 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> I have noticed that having on the slow cooker increases the > temperature of my kitchen, so I dont like to use it in the summer. If > you have a small cooker, be sure to compare costs. One of the only things I like about the slow cooker is that I can use it in the summer out on the patio. Doesn't heat up the kitchen at all. Cindy Hamilton |
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"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
... On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 7:06:19 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote: > I have noticed that having on the slow cooker increases the > temperature of my kitchen, so I dont like to use it in the summer. If > you have a small cooker, be sure to compare costs. One of the only things I like about the slow cooker is that I can use it in the summer out on the patio. Doesn't heat up the kitchen at all. Cindy Hamilton === I haven't been using my slow cooker because of cost. Just convenience. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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> > I like to use my slow cooker because I don't > need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking Agree! You put everything in there and forget about it for hours. No need to check water level or stir. I will sometimes stir a bit though. A slow cooker really *IS* a handy (and inexpensive) kitchen appliance, imo. :-D I don't use mine very often so it lives in a bottom cupboard. So handy to have for certain things though. Mine is an old 1980 or so Rival "Crock-pot Stoneware slow cooker." No removable inside bowl and only 3 settings on a dial...off-low-high. It says 75 watts on slow and 150 watts on high. I only use the high setting to bring it up to temp then I turn it down to low to cook for hours. Size is 3.5 quarts. |
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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 7:06:19 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote: > > > I have noticed that having on the slow cooker increases the > > temperature of my kitchen, so I dont like to use it in the summer. If > > you have a small cooker, be sure to compare costs. > > One of the only things I like about the slow cooker is that I can use > it in the summer out on the patio. Doesn't heat up the kitchen at all. I frown on using my oven in the summer but I have no problem with my slow cooker. No noticeable heat up difference from that. |
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On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 8:42:19 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message > ... > > On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 7:06:19 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote: > > > I have noticed that having on the slow cooker increases the > > temperature of my kitchen, so I dont like to use it in the summer. If > > you have a small cooker, be sure to compare costs. > > One of the only things I like about the slow cooker is that I can use > it in the summer out on the patio. Doesn't heat up the kitchen at all. > > Cindy Hamilton > > === > > I haven't been using my slow cooker because of cost. Just convenience. I don't very often eat the types of things that lend themselves to the slow cooker, but if we roast a turkey on the gas grill in the summer, I use the slow cooker to make stock from the carcass. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 11/18/2017 5:06 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 17:25:25 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote: > >> wrote in rec.food.cooking: >> >>> On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 15:57:40 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote: >>> >>>> wrote in rec.food.cooking: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 08:44:53 -0500, Gary > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ophelia wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "dsi1" wrote: >>>>>>> I was thinking about putting frozen meat directly into the hot >>>>> water bath >> and adding a half hour to the cooking time. Have you >>>>> tried this? >> >>>>>>> == >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No I haven't. I read that can be dangerous. It take the meat >>> so >> long to >> get up to temp, bacteria can grow to a dangerous >>> level. >> > >>>>>> For this same reason, anytime I cook something with meat in my >>>>>> crockpot, I always turn it on high to get to that simmer, then >>>>>> turn it to low to cook for the day. 24 hour cooking when making >>>>>> chicken stock. >>>>> >>>>> Why can't you slow cook on your stove top? And if your smallest >>>>> burner won't go low enough either adjust it (gas burners can be >>>>> adjusted) or use a flame tamer, they're made for gas or electric. >>>> >>>> Because Sheldon, for the 1000th time, that is WAAAYYY more >>>> expensive. You may be built of money but others have to actually >>>> use a brain cell now and again and realize 25cents in a crockpot is >>>> a better deal than 8$ on the stove top. >>> >>> Imbecile... it costs less to slow cook on a stove top. >> >> It whatever galaxy you live maybe, but I live in the regular one. > > Are Slow Cookers Really Energy Efficient? > > Slow cookers, first marketed under the brand name crock-pot, are often > recommended for busy cooks. You put in the food, turn it on low, and > seven or eight hours later you have a delicious meal. Frugal cooks > prefer slow cookers too. But are slow cookers truly energy efficient, > as is often claimed? > Apparently, weve been misled€”even compared to the oven, which is > considered an inefficient cooking method. The entire oven has to be > heated even for a small item, and little of the heat gets to the food. > But the oven does work efficiently by cycling on and off according to > the internal temperature via a thermostat. I havent tested mine, but > online Ive seen 12-15 minutes of use during a full hour. So while the > heating elements use 1000-2000 watts an hour, most of the time they > will be off and your usage is only about a quarter of that. A lot > depends on your oven, its size, and how often you open it. > Slow cookers, also known by the brand name Crock Pot, dont usually > have a thermostat. It uses a small amount of wattage, but > continuously. Doug Cotes over at The Dollar Stretcher calculated that > to run his oven for an hour requires 600 watts. He writes: > > Our slow-cooker is a large 5-quart brand with a low cooking power of > 180 watts and a high cooking power of 250 watts. Its information you > find on the label. . . . the slow-cooker cooks continuously. What that > means is if you cook on high with a 250 watt hour element for 4 hours, > you use (4 X 250) 1000 watt hours of electricity. If you cook on low > with a 180 watt hour element for 8 hours, you use (8 X 180) 1440 watt > hours of electricity. No energy savings at my house. If you have a > small slow-cooker with a low range that uses a 70-watt element, > cooking for 8 hours only uses 560-watt hours of electricity. > Some newer models of slow cookers do have thermostats to regulate the > temperature during cooking, in which case the above would probably not > apply. > Of course, there are other factors that go into cooking decisions. If > you are making a casserole in the oven you can bake bread or roast > vegetables at the same time. If you want s hot meal as soon as you get > back from work, nothing beats the slow cooker. Its especially good if > you come home at a different time each day. My husband once left a > chicken in the slow cooker for three days, and it came out just fine. > Here is a different calculation with the slow cooker coming out way > ahead, from the blog Organizing the Four of Us: > The verdict: 3.2 amps used in the slow cooker versus 9.665 amps drawn > from the oven OR if you want to compare the figures to your > electricity bill the slow cooker used .768 kWs in 8 hours and our oven > used 2.320 kWs in the time taken to cook those dear potatoes > Our slow cooker draws .4 amps on the low setting (I use this setting > for most of our slow cooked meals). > .4 amps by 8 hours is a total of 3.2 amps (.768 kWs) used for the > duration of our cooking time. > Thanks to reader Gail for bringing it to my attention. > > I have noticed that having on the slow cooker increases the > temperature of my kitchen, so I dont like to use it in the summer. If > you have a small cooker, be sure to compare costs. > Or...buy an Instant Pot! |
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On 11/19/2017 7:53 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 7:06:19 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote: > >> I have noticed that having on the slow cooker increases the >> temperature of my kitchen, so I dont like to use it in the summer. If >> you have a small cooker, be sure to compare costs. > > One of the only things I like about the slow cooker is that I can use > it in the summer out on the patio. Doesn't heat up the kitchen at all. > > Cindy Hamilton > Now that the weather is cooling here, that brings up another part of the efficiency equation. Most of us are heating out houses this time of year. No matter how inefficient the cooking method is, the heat is not lost at all. Your house heater will just work less. The only difference is that an electric range may cost more to operate than the oil burner. If you have gas heat you are probably be cooking with gas so no loss. |
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"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
... On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 8:42:19 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote: > "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message > ... > > On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 7:06:19 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote: > > > I have noticed that having on the slow cooker increases the > > temperature of my kitchen, so I dont like to use it in the summer. If > > you have a small cooker, be sure to compare costs. > > One of the only things I like about the slow cooker is that I can use > it in the summer out on the patio. Doesn't heat up the kitchen at all. > > Cindy Hamilton > > === > > I haven't been using my slow cooker because of cost. Just convenience. I don't very often eat the types of things that lend themselves to the slow cooker, but if we roast a turkey on the gas grill in the summer, I use the slow cooker to make stock from the carcass. Cindy Hamilton == I don't use mine very often but I find it jolly useful when I do. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
> Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I don't > need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but am waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first. Cheri |
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On 11/19/2017 1:32 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message > >> Very interesting!* Thanks.* I like to use my slow cooker because I >> don't need to worry about checking it.* Easy cooking > > I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but > am waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first. > > Cheri > | \ | \ | | @ \ \ \ | | | \ \ \ \ | | \ | | | | ,-----. \ | ) /' _))) | \ | / / - - ## \ | ( ( _' _ _______#/ | / / )` `\`(_;______ ( / | / __)' /--'`-' )| | , / (.-' - '`-. ( | </ |||| / : `-| ,//// | , \ \' | / \ \ @ @ | | \ \__.'__.' | | \ \ / ( / / \ \ | | |
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"casa chevrolet" > wrote in message
news  > On 11/19/2017 1:32 PM, Cheri wrote: >> "Ophelia" > wrote in message >> >>> Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I don't >>> need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking >> >> I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but >> am waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first. >> >> Cheri LOL, I thought Christmas vacation hadn't started for seventh graders yet, you are a poor forger and not a very good artist either, work on that. Cheri |
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"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ophelia" > wrote in message > Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I don't > need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but am waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first. Cheri == Will you brown them before or after? I can't wait til you have used it and to get your comments )))-- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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"Cheri" wrote in message news
"casa chevrolet" > wrote in message news > On 11/19/2017 1:32 PM, Cheri wrote: >> "Ophelia" > wrote in message >> >>> Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I don't >>> need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking >> >> I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but >> am waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first. >> >> Cheri LOL, I thought Christmas vacation hadn't started for seventh graders yet, you are a poor forger and not a very good artist either, work on that. Cheri == ?? -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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"Ophelia" wrote in message ...
"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ophelia" > wrote in message > Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I don't > need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but am waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first. Cheri == Will you brown them before or after? I can't wait til you have used it and to get your comments )))== Oh dear. That wasn't you? -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 11/19/2017 11:32 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message > >> Very interesting!* Thanks.* I like to use my slow cooker because I >> don't need to worry about checking it.* Easy cooking > > I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but > am waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first. > > Cheri Nice big THICK ones if you please... I like to take them to 125 then sear off in a very hot cast iron skillet with a knob of butter. |
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On 11/19/2017 11:37 AM, casa chevrolet wrote:
> On 11/19/2017 1:32 PM, Cheri wrote: >> "Ophelia" > wrote in message >> >>> Very interesting!* Thanks.* I like to use my slow cooker because I >>> don't need to worry about checking it.* Easy cooking >> >> I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it >> but am waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks >> first. >> >> Cheri > > > > > forged. o_-* BANG! 0 | /| |\ '/ |
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On 11/19/2017 11:45 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "casa chevrolet" > wrote in message > news >> On 11/19/2017 1:32 PM, Cheri wrote: >>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message >>> >>>> Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I >>>> don't need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking >>> >>> I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it >>> but am waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks >>> first. >>> >>> Cheri > > LOL, I thought Christmas vacation hadn't started for seventh graders > yet, you are a poor forger and not a very good artist either, work on that. > > Cheri He has a rather ham-fisted approach to his forgeries for sure. / / , \X/ | | | X` / \ | \ | | \__/ |
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On 11/19/2017 11:46 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cheri"* wrote in message news
> > "Ophelia" > wrote in message > >> Very interesting!* Thanks.* I like to use my slow cooker because I don't >> need to worry about checking it.* Easy cooking > > I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but am > waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first. > > Cheri > > == > > Will you brown them before or after?* I can't wait til you have used it > and to get your comments )))> > > Always after 'round here! ( ) ___ ( _-"_-" ) _-_-" ) _-_-" _______________________-"-"_ \ / \ / ..--_\______________________/_--. ""--------------------------"" |
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On 11/19/2017 11:49 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ophelia"* wrote in message ... > > "Cheri"* wrote in message news
> > "Ophelia" > wrote in message > >> Very interesting!* Thanks.* I like to use my slow cooker because I don't >> need to worry about checking it.* Easy cooking > > I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but am > waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first. > > Cheri > > == > > Will you brown them before or after?* I can't wait til you have used it and > to get your comments )))> > == > > Oh dear.* That wasn't you? > > > It's her, the forger hasn't gone that far yet...plus it won't spend for a newsguy account to complete the fraud. |
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 18:49:07 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote: >"Ophelia" wrote in message ... > >"Cheri" wrote in message news
>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message > >> Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I don't >> need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking > >I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but am >waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first. > >Cheri > >== > >Will you brown them before or after? I can't wait til you have used it and >to get your comments )))> >== > >Oh dear. That wasn't you? > > > >-- >http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk If it doesn't sound like a 10 year old, it's not Cheri. |
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On 11/19/2017 12:01 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 18:49:07 -0000, "Ophelia" > > wrote: > >> "Ophelia" wrote in message ... >> >> "Cheri" wrote in message news
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message >> >>> Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I don't >>> need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking >> >> I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but am >> waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first. >> >> Cheri >> >> == >> >> Will you brown them before or after? I can't wait til you have used it and >> to get your comments )))>> >> == >> >> Oh dear. That wasn't you? >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk > > If it doesn't sound like a 10 year old, it's not Cheri. > It would be so enjoyable to see you: https://media.giphy.com/media/l0HlQI...aNzy/giphy.gif |
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On 11/19/2017 1:48 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cheri"* wrote in message news
> > "casa chevrolet" > wrote in message > news >> On 11/19/2017 1:32 PM, Cheri wrote: >>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message >>> >>>> Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I >>>> don't need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking >>> >>> I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it >>> but am waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks >>> first. >>> >>> Cheri > > LOL, I thought Christmas vacation hadn't started for seventh graders yet, > you are a poor forger and not a very good artist either, work on that. > > Cheri > > == > > ?? > > You're an idiot. |
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On 11/19/2017 1:15 PM, casa chevrolet wrote:
> On 11/19/2017 1:48 PM, Ophelia wrote: >> "Cheri"* wrote in message news
>>>> "casa chevrolet" > wrote in message >> news >>> On 11/19/2017 1:32 PM, Cheri wrote: >>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message >>>> >>>>> Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I >>>>> don't need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking >>>> >>>> I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it >>>> but am waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks >>>> first. >>>> >>>> Cheri >> >> LOL, I thought Christmas vacation hadn't started for seventh graders yet, >> you are a poor forger and not a very good artist either, work on that. >> >> Cheri >> >> == >> >> ?? >> >> > You're an idiot. forged. o_-* BANG! 0 | /| |\ '/ |
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
... > "Cheri" wrote in message news
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message > >> Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I don't >> need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking > > I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but > am > waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first. > > Cheri > > == > > Will you brown them before or after? I can't wait til you have used it > and to get your comments )))I watched a Youtube video where he put them in the bag with a pat of butter, a sprig of thyme, salt and pepper. So I will try something like that to start. Cheri |
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
... > "Ophelia" wrote in message ... > > "Cheri" wrote in message news
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message > >> Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I don't >> need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking > > I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but > am > waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first. > > Cheri > > == > > Will you brown them before or after? I can't wait til you have used it > and > to get your comments )))> > == > > Oh dear. That wasn't you? The Sous Vide cooker comment was me, the forged Casa response was not. Cheri |
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
... > "Cheri" wrote in message news
>> "casa chevrolet" > wrote in message > news >> On 11/19/2017 1:32 PM, Cheri wrote: >>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message >>> >>>> Very interesting! Thanks. I like to use my slow cooker because I don't >>>> need to worry about checking it. Easy cooking >>> >>> I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it but >>> am waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first. >>> >>> >>> Cheri > > LOL, I thought Christmas vacation hadn't started for seventh graders yet, > you are a poor forger and not a very good artist either, work on that. > > Cheri > > == > > ?? I deleted the forgers childish response. Cheri |
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On 11/19/2017 3:18 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message > ... >> "Cheri"* wrote in message news
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message >> >>> Very interesting!* Thanks.* I like to use my slow cooker because I don't >>> need to worry about checking it.* Easy cooking >> >> I got my Sous Vide cooker a couple of days ago, am anxious to try it >> but am >> waiting until after Thanksgiving. I think I'll do rib steaks first. >> >> Cheri >> >> == >> >> Will you brown them before or after?* I can't wait til you have used >> it and to get your comments )))> > I watched a Youtube video where he put them in the bag with a pat of > butter, a sprig of thyme, salt and pepper. So I will try something like > that to start. > > Cheri Perfect! |
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