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Old 06-02-2004, 03:31 PM
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:56:53 -0500, Bob wrote:

Viola! :-)

"Viola?" Chung's illiterate in two languages.


My, my, hard at work TROLLING Chung today, aren't we?
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Old 08-02-2004, 04:15 PM
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Nah, John. Just because the folks who do it like to wear lab coats
doesn't make it a science.

psychology pe=exact
"the study or science of mental, emotional, and behavioral states and

A study isn't necessarily science. The scientific method is what
determines that definition. Recording what happened isn't science,
that's cataloguing. Watching rats and extrapolating isn't science,
it's statistical guessing.

Second, the American Psychological Association amended its bylaws in
2001 to recognize "promoting health" as one of its major missions.

Well, of course they did. The old business hasn't done very well so
they needed to branch out. The old "buying a friend" biz has fizzled.

Thorn B & Saah P. Notes from the APA Council of Representatives
meeting. Health Psychologist, 2001, 23(3)5.8.

Third, there is a relatively new field called health psychology.

Gotta do something when the old core business isn't working.

health psychology
"the aggregate of the specific educational, scientific, and
professional contributions of the discipline of psychology

See, these guys call it a "discipline" rather than a science.

to the
promotion and maintenance of health, the prevention and treatment of
illness, the identification of etiologic and diagnostic correlates of
health, illness, and related dysfunction, and the analysis and
improvement of the health care system."

At first glance, it looks like they're out to practice medicine
without actually doing that. Except, upon scrutiny, they're just
writing more words on paper. Promote and maintain health. Noble.
Prevent and treat illness...? Psychologists are going to treat
illness? Don't think so. Ah, now we get into something, um, solid.
They're going to do their statistical stuff with identifying things.
And complaining about the health care system. Probably gonna try to
get their rates up and get it all covered by insurance.

Pah. Science, my ass.

Fourth, psychologists have been practicing alternative medicine for
quite a long time when they use biofeedback, hypnotherapy, or
cognitive behavior therapy to treat a medical condition.

But it's all very funny how they can't seem to *prove* much about how
their activities have done much to improve the human condition. Or
change human technology. Or change human philosophy. Or change human
actions. Failed "science," John. No "science" to speak of.

Alternative medicine was yesterday's quackery, is today's
complementary medicine, and will be tomorrow's new branch of medicine.

Right. And it'll still be called quackery. Euphemisms don't change the
essential character of a fact.
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Old 08-02-2004, 04:18 PM
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Poor John. Here's a guy who practices (...or does he. He didn't say he
was a psychologist, he says that he has the degree. That's where they
teach you to say, "Would you like fries with that?" until you get the
advanced degrees. Then they teach you to write grant proposals to
study rats and planaria and such.)...

Scientists are stupid. Right, John. They just have millennia of
successful accomplishment of defining and understanding the physical
world. Little better record than psychologists who have essentially
become statisticians recording what already happened. 20-20 hindsight
through jargon-colored glasses...

All I can say Geek is that your own words, are making you look pretty
damn stupid at this moment.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Give it a rest, John. All you're doing is making pronouncements, just
like Chung and Mu_shroom. No backup. No solid information. Matti
provides that and you don't. See the difference?

I am with the authors of the study and
stand by my earlier statement that the most common definition for
very-low-fat diet is 15% or less calories from fat and for the low-fat-diet
15-30% calories from fat.

Need I remind you that the subject of this THREAD is that idiot
citation of YOURS that tried to suggest that a 18% Fat diet was a
Low-Fat diet.

18% fat is a low-fat diet by any intelligent, knowledgeable

STOP trying to weasel your way out of your Tom Foolery, Geek!

Tomfoolery is one word. And it would apply more to your behavior than

Pronunciation: `tm'fooluree
WordNet Dictionary
Definition: [n] foolish or senseless behavior
Synonyms: folly, foolery, indulgence
See Also: buffoonery, caper, clowning, frivolity, frolic, gambol,
harlequinade, play, prank, romp

And, kindly STOP abusing the English language. Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

It's *an* 18% fat diet... low-fat diet (no caps necessary). And it's
tomfoolery. You might want to look into your use of the language
before trying that lame insult approach. You sound like Chung now.

Low Fat Diets are 30% Fat.

Low-fat diets BEGIN at 30% by some definitions. Less than 30% is, by
logical extension and further definition, low fat, too. Anything below
30% is logically low in fat.

All educated people agree on this.

Sorry, John. You can't speak for "all" of any group of people. And, in
this case, there are sincere disagreements amongst knowledgeable
people about the threshold of what constitutes a low fat diet. Read
the citations instead of pontificating.

John Gohde,
Feeling Great and Better than Ever!

Natural health is an eclectic self-care system of natural therapies
that builds and restores health by working with the natural
recuperative powers of the human body.

Uh, right.

Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

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