OK, so I already posted this.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/bo...ower.html?_r=0

Reviewed by DWIGHT GARNER
DEC. 13, 2016

First paragraphs:

We no-nonsense Americans have long sneered at fussy Old World etiquette. One senators account of a meal with George Washington during his presidency included this observation: €œAt every interval of eating or drinking he played on the table with a fork or knife, like a drumstick.€�

Yet we understand why civility and courtesy matter. As Arthur M. Schlesinger wrote in his study of advice books, €œLearning How to Behave€� (1946), €œEven the outward motions imply a certain kindliness and consideration for others.€� Mr. Schlesinger added that manners dont €œcomplicate social life as much as they simplify it.€� Good manners arent snobby but egalitarian. Theyre free to all.

Jeremiah Tower, the author of €œTable Manners: How to Behave in the Modern World and Why Bother,€� is not the first person you would expect to deliver a book about decorum. In the 1970s, when he was the co-owner (alongside Alice Waters) and executive chef of Chez Panisse, the venerable restaurant in Berkeley, Calif., he was the food worlds best-known libertine, snorting cocaine in the kitchen while imbibing magnums of Sauternes...

(snip)


Here's what caught my eye:

....He drops a precision strike on so-called palate-cleansing courses, like sorbets: €œAll that untimely ice is a vicious attack on ones palate and a fraudulent attempt to put class into a meal. Just serving it shows that you dont know what you are doing.€�...


Well, he's a chef, so I assume he knows what he's talking about IF we're planning a meal to impress someone we don't know well. Otherwise, what's the big deal, if the host happens to like sorbet? No one has to eat dessert, last I heard.

Of course, maybe he's talking about serving it BETWEEN courses, but I've never heard of that.


Lenona.

On 12/20/2016 10:08 AM, wrote:
> OK, so I already posted this.
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/bo...ower.html?_r=0
>
> Reviewed by DWIGHT GARNER
> DEC. 13, 2016
>
> First paragraphs:
>
> We no-nonsense Americans have long sneered at fussy Old World etiquette. One senators account of a meal with George Washington during his presidency included this observation: €œAt every interval of eating or drinking he played on the table with a fork or knife, like a drumstick.€�
>
> Yet we understand why civility and courtesy matter. As Arthur M. Schlesinger wrote in his study of advice books, €œLearning How to Behave€� (1946), €œEven the outward motions imply a certain kindliness and consideration for others.€� Mr. Schlesinger added that manners dont €œcomplicate social life as much as they simplify it.€� Good manners arent snobby but egalitarian. Theyre free to all.
>
> Jeremiah Tower, the author of €œTable Manners: How to Behave in the Modern World and Why Bother,€� is not the first person you would expect to deliver a book about decorum. In the 1970s, when he was the co-owner (alongside Alice Waters) and executive chef of Chez Panisse, the venerable restaurant in Berkeley, Calif., he was the food worlds best-known libertine, snorting cocaine in the kitchen while imbibing magnums of Sauternes...
>
> (snip)
>
>
> Here's what caught my eye:
>
> ...He drops a precision strike on so-called palate-cleansing courses, like sorbets: €œAll that untimely ice is a vicious attack on ones palate and a fraudulent attempt to put class into a meal. Just serving it shows that you dont know what you are doing.€�...
>
>
> Well, he's a chef, so I assume he knows what he's talking about IF we're planning a meal to impress someone we don't know well. Otherwise, what's the big deal, if the host happens to like sorbet? No one has to eat dessert, last I heard.
>
> Of course, maybe he's talking about serving it BETWEEN courses, but I've never heard of that.
>
>
> Lenona.
>

Yes, that is what he is talking about - a "palate-cleansing course"
BETWEEN courses. I've had it, and thought it was silly. Seems like
mainly a way to buy the kitchen some time to get out the next course.

On 12/20/2016 11:08 AM, wrote:

> ...He drops a precision strike on so-called palate-cleansing courses, like sorbets: €œAll that untimely ice is a vicious attack on ones palate and a fraudulent attempt to put class into a meal. Just serving it shows that you dont know what you are doing.€�...
>
>
> Well, he's a chef, so I assume he knows what he's talking about IF we're planning a meal to impress someone we don't know well. Otherwise, what's the big deal, if the host happens to like sorbet? No one has to eat dessert, last I heard.
>
> Of course, maybe he's talking about serving it BETWEEN courses, but I've never heard of that.
>
>
In a restaurant in France, I ordered "Lotte Ã* l'espelette"
and it came with a small pot of sorbet. It was a superb mouth cooler
as the espelette was very hot. I met the chef and complimented him on
this inspired addition and he beamed with pleasure.
Graham

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 12:19:53 PM UTC-6, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 12/20/2016 10:08 AM, wrote:
> > OK, so I already posted this.
> >
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/bo...ower.html?_r=0
> >
> > Reviewed by DWIGHT GARNER
> > DEC. 13, 2016
> >
> > First paragraphs:
> >
> > We no-nonsense Americans have long sneered at fussy Old World etiquette.. One senators account of a meal with George Washington during his presidency included this observation: €œAt every interval of eating or drinking he played on the table with a fork or knife, like a drumstick.€�
> >
> > Yet we understand why civility and courtesy matter. As Arthur M. Schlesinger wrote in his study of advice books, €œLearning How to Behave€� (1946), €œEven the outward motions imply a certain kindliness and consideration for others.€� Mr. Schlesinger added that manners dont €œcomplicate social life as much as they simplify it.€� Good manners arent snobby but egalitarian. Theyre free to all.
> >
> > Jeremiah Tower, the author of €œTable Manners: How to Behave in the Modern World and Why Bother,€� is not the first person you would expect to deliver a book about decorum. In the 1970s, when he was the co-owner (alongside Alice Waters) and executive chef of Chez Panisse, the venerable restaurant in Berkeley, Calif., he was the food worlds best-known libertine, snorting cocaine in the kitchen while imbibing magnums of Sauternes...
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> >
> > Here's what caught my eye:
> >
> > ...He drops a precision strike on so-called palate-cleansing courses, like sorbets: €œAll that untimely ice is a vicious attack on ones palate and a fraudulent attempt to put class into a meal. Just serving it shows that you dont know what you are doing.€�...
> >
> >
> > Well, he's a chef, so I assume he knows what he's talking about IF we're planning a meal to impress someone we don't know well. Otherwise, what's the big deal, if the host happens to like sorbet? No one has to eat dessert, last I heard.
> >
> > Of course, maybe he's talking about serving it BETWEEN courses, but I've never heard of that.
> >
> >
> > Lenona.
> >
>
> Yes, that is what he is talking about - a "palate-cleansing course"
> BETWEEN courses. I've had it, and thought it was silly. Seems like
> mainly a way to buy the kitchen some time to get out the next course.

Kind of like the pickled ginger at sushi restaurants.

John Kuthe...

On 12/20/2016 1:08 PM, wrote:
> Of course, maybe he's talking about serving it BETWEEN courses, but I've never heard of that.

Yes, you posted this and I didn't bother to reply the first time.

I have certainly heard of sorbet to cleanse the palate between courses.
This was, naturally, when one was serving a five or seven course meal.
I don't know anyone who does that. Look up the meals served on the
Titanic. You'll probably find sorbet in the middle of the menus. LOL

It's usually a light fruit sorbet or perhaps mint. Cooling between hot
courses.

The guy in the article is just wanting to jabber about nothing.

Jill

In article >, jmcquown says...
>
> On 12/20/2016 1:08 PM, wrote:
> > Of course, maybe he's talking about serving it BETWEEN courses, but I've never heard of that.
>
> Yes, you posted this and I didn't bother to reply the first time.
>
> I have certainly heard of sorbet to cleanse the palate between courses.
> This was, naturally, when one was serving a five or seven course meal.
> I don't know anyone who does that. Look up the meals served on the
> Titanic. You'll probably find sorbet in the middle of the menus. LOL
>
> It's usually a light fruit sorbet or perhaps mint. Cooling between hot
> courses.

LOL, for cooling between hot courses?

On 12/25/2016 6:26 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/20/2016 1:08 PM, wrote:
>> Of course, maybe he's talking about serving it BETWEEN courses, but
>> I've never heard of that.
>
> Yes, you posted this and I didn't bother to reply the first time.
>
> I have certainly heard of sorbet to cleanse the palate between courses.
> This was, naturally, when one was serving a five or seven course meal.
> I don't know anyone who does that. Look up the meals served on the
> Titanic. You'll probably find sorbet in the middle of the menus. LOL
>
> It's usually a light fruit sorbet or perhaps mint. Cooling between hot
> courses.
>
> The guy in the article is just wanting to jabber about nothing.
>
> Jill

Sorbet on the Titanic... I was merely guessing! Then I looked it up,
because something was nagging at the back of my head. I found this:

http://chilledmagazine.com/the-punch...on-the-titanic

"airy meringue folded into a citrus sorbet that melts gradually in a sea
of rum and Champagne"

Yep, fruit sorbet. Alcoholic ice drinks. No one ever said those folks
on the Titanic didn't party.

I am still convinced they had a little cup of sorbet to cleanse the
palate between multi-course meals.

Don't you just love food history? I sure do.

Jill

On Sun, 25 Dec 2016 18:57:05 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 12/25/2016 6:26 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/20/2016 1:08 PM, wrote:
>>> Of course, maybe he's talking about serving it BETWEEN courses, but
>>> I've never heard of that.
>>
>> Yes, you posted this and I didn't bother to reply the first time.
>>
>> I have certainly heard of sorbet to cleanse the palate between courses.
>> This was, naturally, when one was serving a five or seven course meal.
>> I don't know anyone who does that. Look up the meals served on the
>> Titanic. You'll probably find sorbet in the middle of the menus. LOL
>>
>> It's usually a light fruit sorbet or perhaps mint. Cooling between hot
>> courses.
>>
>> The guy in the article is just wanting to jabber about nothing.
>>
>> Jill
>
>Sorbet on the Titanic... I was merely guessing! Then I looked it up,
>because something was nagging at the back of my head. I found this:
>
>http://chilledmagazine.com/the-punch...on-the-titanic
>
>"airy meringue folded into a citrus sorbet that melts gradually in a sea
>of rum and Champagne"
>
>Yep, fruit sorbet. Alcoholic ice drinks. No one ever said those folks
>on the Titanic didn't party.
>
>I am still convinced they had a little cup of sorbet to cleanse the
>palate between multi-course meals.
>
>Don't you just love food history? I sure do.
>
>Jill

I am sure they would have had sorbet on the Titanic in 1st class, but
highly unlikely in steerage. That was what was so wrong about the
movie, a steerage passenger was never going to meet up with a first
class one!

Many of the bodies from Titanic are buried here in Halifax and there
is a stoker who had the same name as whats his face in the movie,
people regularly put flowers there, if the real stoker comes back to
look at his grave, he must wonder why he gets the flowers.

The other interesting one was Unknown Child but about five years ago
DNA testing was done and they established he was Danish and still had
relatives living in Denmark. They knew he had been lost along with
his mother but did not know he was buried here.

"jmcquown" wrote in message news
On 12/25/2016 6:26 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/20/2016 1:08 PM, wrote:
>> Of course, maybe he's talking about serving it BETWEEN courses, but
>> I've never heard of that.
>
> Yes, you posted this and I didn't bother to reply the first time.
>
> I have certainly heard of sorbet to cleanse the palate between courses.
> This was, naturally, when one was serving a five or seven course meal.
> I don't know anyone who does that. Look up the meals served on the
> Titanic. You'll probably find sorbet in the middle of the menus. LOL
>
> It's usually a light fruit sorbet or perhaps mint. Cooling between hot
> courses.
>
> The guy in the article is just wanting to jabber about nothing.
>
> Jill

Sorbet on the Titanic... I was merely guessing! Then I looked it up,
because something was nagging at the back of my head. I found this:

http://chilledmagazine.com/the-punch...on-the-titanic

"airy meringue folded into a citrus sorbet that melts gradually in a sea
of rum and Champagne"

Yep, fruit sorbet. Alcoholic ice drinks. No one ever said those folks
on the Titanic didn't party.

I am still convinced they had a little cup of sorbet to cleanse the
palate between multi-course meals.

Don't you just love food history? I sure do.

Jill
===

And you are correct


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On 12/25/2016 7:10 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Dec 2016 18:57:05 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/25/2016 6:26 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 12/20/2016 1:08 PM, wrote:
>>>> Of course, maybe he's talking about serving it BETWEEN courses, but
>>>> I've never heard of that.
>>>
>>> Yes, you posted this and I didn't bother to reply the first time.
>>>
>>> I have certainly heard of sorbet to cleanse the palate between courses.
>>> This was, naturally, when one was serving a five or seven course meal.
>>> I don't know anyone who does that. Look up the meals served on the
>>> Titanic. You'll probably find sorbet in the middle of the menus. LOL
>>>
>>> It's usually a light fruit sorbet or perhaps mint. Cooling between hot
>>> courses.
>>>
>>> The guy in the article is just wanting to jabber about nothing.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Sorbet on the Titanic... I was merely guessing! Then I looked it up,
>> because something was nagging at the back of my head. I found this:
>>
>> http://chilledmagazine.com/the-punch...on-the-titanic
>>
>> "airy meringue folded into a citrus sorbet that melts gradually in a sea
>> of rum and Champagne"
>>
>> Yep, fruit sorbet. Alcoholic ice drinks. No one ever said those folks
>> on the Titanic didn't party.
>>
>> I am still convinced they had a little cup of sorbet to cleanse the
>> palate between multi-course meals.
>>
>> Don't you just love food history? I sure do.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I am sure they would have had sorbet on the Titanic in 1st class, but
> highly unlikely in steerage. That was what was so wrong about the
> movie, a steerage passenger was never going to meet up with a first
> class one!
>
I was not talking about the movie. I am aware of the lower class
tickets. My grandparents came over a few years later and yes, they were
in steerage.

> Many of the bodies from Titanic are buried here in Halifax and there
> is a stoker who had the same name as whats his face in the movie,
> people regularly put flowers there, if the real stoker comes back to
> look at his grave, he must wonder why he gets the flowers.
>
> The other interesting one was Unknown Child but about five years ago
> DNA testing was done and they established he was Danish and still had
> relatives living in Denmark. They knew he had been lost along with
> his mother but did not know he was buried here.
>
Please don't think I'm making light of the sinking. My grandparents
came over on a ship a mere four years later. They certainly weren't
eating like that. No one suggested everyone did. I've posted the menus
before. 1st class, second, third. I doubt anyone was starving on the
Titanic.

Jill

On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 00:11:10 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"jmcquown" wrote in message news >
>On 12/25/2016 6:26 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/20/2016 1:08 PM, wrote:
>>> Of course, maybe he's talking about serving it BETWEEN courses, but
>>> I've never heard of that.
>>
>> Yes, you posted this and I didn't bother to reply the first time.
>>
>> I have certainly heard of sorbet to cleanse the palate between courses.
>> This was, naturally, when one was serving a five or seven course meal.
>> I don't know anyone who does that. Look up the meals served on the
>> Titanic. You'll probably find sorbet in the middle of the menus. LOL
>>
>> It's usually a light fruit sorbet or perhaps mint. Cooling between hot
>> courses.
>>
>> The guy in the article is just wanting to jabber about nothing.
>>
>> Jill
>
>Sorbet on the Titanic... I was merely guessing! Then I looked it up,
>because something was nagging at the back of my head. I found this:
>
>http://chilledmagazine.com/the-punch...on-the-titanic
>
>"airy meringue folded into a citrus sorbet that melts gradually in a sea
>of rum and Champagne"
>
>Yep, fruit sorbet. Alcoholic ice drinks. No one ever said those folks
>on the Titanic didn't party.
>
>I am still convinced they had a little cup of sorbet to cleanse the
>palate between multi-course meals.
>
>Don't you just love food history? I sure do.
>
>Jill
>===
>
>And you are correct

Likely one of the staff pushing a cart through the dining room with
block ice and syrups serving shaved ice.
http://mybeautifulbelize.com/street-...-shaved-ice-2/
http://iceandbeans.com/menu.html

On Sun, 25 Dec 2016 19:26:02 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 12/25/2016 7:10 PM, wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Dec 2016 18:57:05 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/25/2016 6:26 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 12/20/2016 1:08 PM, wrote:
>>>>> Of course, maybe he's talking about serving it BETWEEN courses, but
>>>>> I've never heard of that.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you posted this and I didn't bother to reply the first time.
>>>>
>>>> I have certainly heard of sorbet to cleanse the palate between courses.
>>>> This was, naturally, when one was serving a five or seven course meal.
>>>> I don't know anyone who does that. Look up the meals served on the
>>>> Titanic. You'll probably find sorbet in the middle of the menus. LOL
>>>>
>>>> It's usually a light fruit sorbet or perhaps mint. Cooling between hot
>>>> courses.
>>>>
>>>> The guy in the article is just wanting to jabber about nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Sorbet on the Titanic... I was merely guessing! Then I looked it up,
>>> because something was nagging at the back of my head. I found this:
>>>
>>> http://chilledmagazine.com/the-punch...on-the-titanic
>>>
>>> "airy meringue folded into a citrus sorbet that melts gradually in a sea
>>> of rum and Champagne"
>>>
>>> Yep, fruit sorbet. Alcoholic ice drinks. No one ever said those folks
>>> on the Titanic didn't party.
>>>
>>> I am still convinced they had a little cup of sorbet to cleanse the
>>> palate between multi-course meals.
>>>
>>> Don't you just love food history? I sure do.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I am sure they would have had sorbet on the Titanic in 1st class, but
>> highly unlikely in steerage. That was what was so wrong about the
>> movie, a steerage passenger was never going to meet up with a first
>> class one!
>>
>I was not talking about the movie.

Yes, did I say you were?

I am aware of the lower class
>tickets. My grandparents came over a few years later and yes, they were
>in steerage.
>
>> Many of the bodies from Titanic are buried here in Halifax and there
>> is a stoker who had the same name as whats his face in the movie,
>> people regularly put flowers there, if the real stoker comes back to
>> look at his grave, he must wonder why he gets the flowers.
>>
>> The other interesting one was Unknown Child but about five years ago
>> DNA testing was done and they established he was Danish and still had
>> relatives living in Denmark. They knew he had been lost along with
>> his mother but did not know he was buried here.
>>
>Please don't think I'm making light of the sinking. My grandparents
>came over on a ship a mere four years later. They certainly weren't
>eating like that. No one suggested everyone did. I've posted the menus
>before. 1st class, second, third. I doubt anyone was starving on the
>Titanic.
>
>Jill
I don't know about on the Titanic specifically, but many time steerage
passengers took their own food. You really twisted what I said, I
was not suggesting you made light of the sinking - I really can't
fathom where your mind is going! Just as a matter of interest I added
the Halifax bits to talk of Titanic, there's a close connection here,
bodies and some survivors were brought to Halifax, our Maritime Museum
has all sorts of memorabilia from it.