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> On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 18:09:06 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
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> > Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
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> >> On 2016-11-25 3:52 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
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> >> > I'm with ya. We had the linoleum replaced recently and found it
> >> > (newer version) cleans easier than the older surfaces did. I
> >> > wouldnt replace a kitchen floor just for that, but if you are

> about >> > to, it's an unexpected benefit. Once a month will handle
> the floors >> > if wondering. Thats a person with the right gear and
> they do it in >> > about 15 minutes.
> >>
> >> My wife insisted that we should get a ceramic tile floor in the
> >> kitchen. She insisted it was easy to clean maintain. It cost a
> >> pretty penny to have it done because we had to get the lath first.
> >> Our first choice tile was not available so I made an executive
> >> decision and for the egg shell. Our dog are the time was black.
> >> Between his foot prints and hair I had never realized that our
> >> brownish style tile floor was so dirty. The ceramic was indeed

> easier >> to clean, and it had to be done at least once a day.
> >
> > Ours is a light tan with browner bits and looks a bit like stone
> > work.

>
> The floor or the dog?
>
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LOL! Both (actually all 3 since there are 2 dogs, a Tricolor beagle
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>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>tsjoannotjoann wrote:
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>> I've never heard of ANYONE ironing bras.
>>
>> Was a joke, but eveyone here knows my infatuation with bosoms... means
>> you're still a noobie.
>>

>No, I've been posting here for at least 12 years.


Then you've been sleeping here for 12 years... with or without bra?
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 23:59:59 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 11/25/2016 5:57 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
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> >
> > My wife insisted that we should get a ceramic tile floor in the kitchen.
> > She insisted it was easy to clean maintain. It cost a pretty penny to
> > have it done because we had to get the lath first. Our first choice tile
> > was not available so I made an executive decision and for the egg shell.
> > Our dog are the time was black. Between his foot prints and hair I had
> > never realized that our brownish style tile floor was so dirty. The
> > ceramic was indeed easier to clean, and it had to be done at least once
> > a day.
> >

>
>
> Smart woman. Ceramic tile is great. We have it in both bathrooms and
> the downstairs hallway. Eventually it will be in the kitchen. Easy to
> keep clean.


Grout? UGH! I had my bathroom tiles set as closely together as
possible which looks better and is easier to keep clean, IMO (god
bless the person who invented the steam cleaner). Absolutely no tiles
in the kitchen. Solid surface and backsplash, wooden floors.


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On 11/27/2016 8:39 AM, sf wrote:

>> Smart woman. Ceramic tile is great. We have it in both bathrooms and
>> the downstairs hallway. Eventually it will be in the kitchen. Easy to
>> keep clean.

>
> Grout? UGH! I had my bathroom tiles set as closely together as
> possible which looks better and is easier to keep clean, IMO (god
> bless the person who invented the steam cleaner). Absolutely no tiles
> in the kitchen. Solid surface and backsplash, wooden floors.
>
>


You need the right grout. Never used anything more than a sponge mop to
keep them spotless. Epoxy cost more and takes a bit more time to put
on, but the benefits go on for decades. The showers have a squeegee and
a few quick swipes and dry and clean.


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On Saturday, November 26, 2016 at 4:08:42 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> had Brazilian
> cherry T&G hardwood installed directly over it, looks far more
> attractive and very easy to maintain... also cost less than ceramic
> tile as the 3/4" thick solid hardwood flooring didn't require any
> floor prep, no mud floor needed. Some people thought it would be
> difficult to maintain in wet areas but that's not true, the new water
> based sealer seal extremely well, dries fast, and hardly any odor.


Was your installed bare wood and then finished in place?

We're looking at remodeling our kitchen and are having a hard time
figuring out what to do with the floor. Hard tile is out of the
question. We were considering sheet vinyl, but everything we've seen
looks terrible. Hardwood is an appealing option, and those pre-finished
planks with the UV-cured finish are interesting, but I'd be afraid
that debris would fall down between the boards. Then again, our
floors are pretty bouncy (and the kitchen is over a bunch of
mechanicals, so it would be difficult to sister the joists), so
a finish applied in situ might well crack anyway.

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On 11/27/2016 4:53 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> And that's pretty much how I look at work. Nobody cares
> what we look like. All they care about is what our work
> "looks" like when we're done.



Do they know that you and your rancid hubby DROWN POSSUMS for fun?

You are one sick and twisted sister!

You fat killer biotch!
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On 11/27/2016 10:04 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> We're looking at remodeling our kitchen and are having a hard time
> figuring out what to do with the floor.



Why don't you cover it with all the dead possums you and your fat ass
hubby have drowned?

You worthless lard-assed whore!
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On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 10:29:55 AM UTC-7, Sqwerts wrote:
> On 11/27/2016 10:04 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > We're looking at remodeling our kitchen and are having a hard time
> > figuring out what to do with the floor.

>
>
> Why don't you cover it with all the dead possums you and your fat ass
> hubby have drowned?
>
>


Not a bad idea...would be nice and cosy on the footsies come winter.
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On 11/27/2016 11:04 AM, Roy wrote:
> On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 10:29:55 AM UTC-7, Sqwerts wrote:
>> On 11/27/2016 10:04 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> We're looking at remodeling our kitchen and are having a hard time
>>> figuring out what to do with the floor.

>>
>>
>> Why don't you cover it with all the dead possums you and your fat ass
>> hubby have drowned?
>>
>>

>
> Not a bad idea...would be nice and cosy on the footsies come winter.
>


I think the cozy thing to do would be to take a steam iron to your
wrinkled old face, roy boy.


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On 11/27/2016 12:04 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> Hardwood is an appealing option, and those pre-finished
> planks with the UV-cured finish are interesting, but I'd be afraid
> that debris would fall down between the boards.
> Cindy Hamilton
>


I've had that in the family room for about a dozen years now. The
joints are glued and tight. Nothing gets between them. Very durable,
easy to clean.
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On 11/27/2016 11:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/27/2016 12:04 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
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>> Hardwood is an appealing option, and those pre-finished
>> planks with the UV-cured finish are interesting, but I'd be afraid
>> that debris would fall down between the boards.
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>

>
> I've had that in the family room for about a dozen years now. The
> joints are glued and tight. Nothing gets between them. Very durable,
> easy to clean.



Did you grout it with drowned possum fat like that fat ****ing Bitch did?
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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> had Brazilian
>> cherry T&G hardwood installed directly over it, looks far more
>> attractive and very easy to maintain... also cost less than ceramic
>> tile as the 3/4" thick solid hardwood flooring didn't require any
>> floor prep, no mud floor needed. Some people thought it would be
>> difficult to maintain in wet areas but that's not true, the new water
>> based sealer seal extremely well, dries fast, and hardly any odor.

>
>Was your installed bare wood and then finished in place?


Yes.

>We're looking at remodeling our kitchen and are having a hard time
>figuring out what to do with the floor. Hard tile is out of the
>question. We were considering sheet vinyl, but everything we've seen
>looks terrible. Hardwood is an appealing option, and those pre-finished
>planks with the UV-cured finish are interesting, but I'd be afraid
>that debris would fall down between the boards. Then again, our
>floors are pretty bouncy (and the kitchen is over a bunch of
>mechanicals, so it would be difficult to sister the joists), so
>a finish applied in situ might well crack anyway.


Our kitchen floor was a bit bouncy too but after the 3/4" T&G hardwood
was installed no more bounce. The fella that did it knew his stuff,
his father installed all the hardwood floors here more tham fifty
years ago and retired, but now his son took over. He had all the
proper tools, a special pneumatic nailer that nailed on a bias, no
glue... real hardwood flooring is NEVER glued, that would be sinful.
His sander was laser driven, floor turned out as flat and level as a
pro billiard table. There are no spaces between the boards, all the
appliances were moved out so the flooring was installed there too, and
inside closets. All the molding was carefully removed and replaced
after the flooring was installed. Where there were transitions he
custom made saddles. I have no complaints, and everyone who sees it
loves it.
Starting:
http://i65.tinypic.com/2dvk83k.jpg
A custom made on site transition saddle:
http://i68.tinypic.com/14acvx3.jpg
The only down side to installing real hardwood flooring is that
sanding is messy, but he sealed all the other rooms with plastic
sheeting and when he was done he vacuumed up all the dust, his sander
had a dust collection feature but not perfect, we had to do some clean
up too.
http://i66.tinypic.com/16rjx5.jpg
What's not to like:
http://i64.tinypic.com/2vu0nix.jpg
I have lots more pictures but I think you get the idea, I have no
regrets, none:
http://i63.tinypic.com/20hoift.jpg
I love my kitchen, perfectly designed. Every stick of lumber in this
house came from trees on this property, all the cabinets and paneling
too. The whole family helped build it, Norwegians are excellent
carpenters.
Brazilian cherry darkens when exposed to sunlight but we've gotten
used to the changes and move the area rug under the table occasionally
so it all evened out. We have no wall to wall carpeting anywhere,
instead we use area rugs and some very nice oriental rugs that get
moved about periodically. If you decide on real hardwood be certain
the intaller you choose knows his stuff, do your research and inspect
his jobs in person, do not rely on photos. Real hardwood is a
lifetime investment so choose carefully... don't let anyone talk you
into laminate. If you have questions I'll be happy to share what I
know.
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In article >, Brooklyn1
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> What's not to like:
> http://i64.tinypic.com/2vu0nix.jpg


The cat anus on the counter perhaps?
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On 11/27/2016 3:18 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, Brooklyn1
> says...
>
>> What's not to like:
>> http://i64.tinypic.com/2vu0nix.jpg

>
> The cat anus on the counter perhaps?
>


**** off and die Auztard!


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On 11/25/2016 6:00 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-11-25 5:37 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> People still iron? I thought that went out of fashion with drive-in
>> cinemas and the Lucille Ball Show.

>

Heh. There's still a drive-in movie in my area and 'I Love Lucy' still
airs on some television channels. Even the later "Lucy Show" sometimes
pops up.

> When I buy shirts I always check the cleaning instructions. If it has to
> be ironed I don't get it.
>

I buy cotton or linen clothing. I don't care if it's wrinkled or not,
it's comfortable and cool in this mostly hot climate. *Everyone's*
clothes are wrinkled; it's the nature of those fabrics. No one pays any
attention to such things.

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On 11/26/2016 9:51 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> There's an ironing board with steam iron always set up in our
> spare/guest bedroom... no big deal to iron a garment or three. The
> ironing board is one of those 3/4 sized, easily hangs on the back of
> closet door if need be.


I had one of those hang on the closet door ironing boards for years. It
hooked over the top of the door and folded up out of the way. They're
perfect for apartments.

Jill
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On 11/27/2016 3:55 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> *Everyone's* clothes are wrinkled; it's the nature of those fabrics. No
> one pays any attention to such things.
>
> Jill


Is that typical of retirement communities?
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On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 5:14:01 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>
> >> had Brazilian
> >> cherry T&G hardwood installed directly over it, looks far more
> >> attractive and very easy to maintain... also cost less than ceramic
> >> tile as the 3/4" thick solid hardwood flooring didn't require any
> >> floor prep, no mud floor needed. Some people thought it would be
> >> difficult to maintain in wet areas but that's not true, the new water
> >> based sealer seal extremely well, dries fast, and hardly any odor.

> >
> >Was your installed bare wood and then finished in place?

>
> Yes.
>
> >We're looking at remodeling our kitchen and are having a hard time
> >figuring out what to do with the floor. Hard tile is out of the
> >question. We were considering sheet vinyl, but everything we've seen
> >looks terrible. Hardwood is an appealing option, and those pre-finished
> >planks with the UV-cured finish are interesting, but I'd be afraid
> >that debris would fall down between the boards. Then again, our
> >floors are pretty bouncy (and the kitchen is over a bunch of
> >mechanicals, so it would be difficult to sister the joists), so
> >a finish applied in situ might well crack anyway.

>
> Our kitchen floor was a bit bouncy too but after the 3/4" T&G hardwood
> was installed no more bounce. The fella that did it knew his stuff,
> his father installed all the hardwood floors here more tham fifty
> years ago and retired, but now his son took over. He had all the
> proper tools, a special pneumatic nailer that nailed on a bias, no
> glue... real hardwood flooring is NEVER glued, that would be sinful.
> His sander was laser driven, floor turned out as flat and level as a
> pro billiard table. There are no spaces between the boards, all the
> appliances were moved out so the flooring was installed there too, and
> inside closets. All the molding was carefully removed and replaced
> after the flooring was installed. Where there were transitions he
> custom made saddles. I have no complaints, and everyone who sees it
> loves it.
> Starting:
> http://i65.tinypic.com/2dvk83k.jpg
> A custom made on site transition saddle:
> http://i68.tinypic.com/14acvx3.jpg
> The only down side to installing real hardwood flooring is that
> sanding is messy, but he sealed all the other rooms with plastic
> sheeting and when he was done he vacuumed up all the dust, his sander
> had a dust collection feature but not perfect, we had to do some clean
> up too.
> http://i66.tinypic.com/16rjx5.jpg
> What's not to like:
> http://i64.tinypic.com/2vu0nix.jpg
> I have lots more pictures but I think you get the idea, I have no
> regrets, none:
> http://i63.tinypic.com/20hoift.jpg
> I love my kitchen, perfectly designed. Every stick of lumber in this
> house came from trees on this property, all the cabinets and paneling
> too. The whole family helped build it, Norwegians are excellent
> carpenters.
> Brazilian cherry darkens when exposed to sunlight but we've gotten
> used to the changes and move the area rug under the table occasionally
> so it all evened out. We have no wall to wall carpeting anywhere,
> instead we use area rugs and some very nice oriental rugs that get
> moved about periodically. If you decide on real hardwood be certain
> the intaller you choose knows his stuff, do your research and inspect
> his jobs in person, do not rely on photos. Real hardwood is a
> lifetime investment so choose carefully... don't let anyone talk you
> into laminate. If you have questions I'll be happy to share what I
> know.


Absolutely gorgeous, Sheldon. You are rightly proud of it.

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> I love my kitchen, perfectly designed. Every stick of lumber in this
> house came from trees on this property, all the cabinets and paneling



I love it too, especially the counter tops, it looks quite handy and very
nice.

Cheri



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On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 09:45:50 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 11/27/2016 8:39 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >> Smart woman. Ceramic tile is great. We have it in both bathrooms and
> >> the downstairs hallway. Eventually it will be in the kitchen. Easy to
> >> keep clean.

> >
> > Grout? UGH! I had my bathroom tiles set as closely together as
> > possible which looks better and is easier to keep clean, IMO (god
> > bless the person who invented the steam cleaner). Absolutely no tiles
> > in the kitchen. Solid surface and backsplash, wooden floors.
> >
> >

>
> You need the right grout. Never used anything more than a sponge mop to
> keep them spotless. Epoxy cost more and takes a bit more time to put
> on, but the benefits go on for decades. The showers have a squeegee and
> a few quick swipes and dry and clean.


I've lived in ONE house for decades, so I know my way around interior
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On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 5:14:01 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>
> >> had Brazilian
> >> cherry T&G hardwood installed directly over it, looks far more
> >> attractive and very easy to maintain... also cost less than ceramic
> >> tile as the 3/4" thick solid hardwood flooring didn't require any
> >> floor prep, no mud floor needed. Some people thought it would be
> >> difficult to maintain in wet areas but that's not true, the new water
> >> based sealer seal extremely well, dries fast, and hardly any odor.

> >
> >Was your installed bare wood and then finished in place?

>
> Yes.
>
> >We're looking at remodeling our kitchen and are having a hard time
> >figuring out what to do with the floor. Hard tile is out of the
> >question. We were considering sheet vinyl, but everything we've seen
> >looks terrible. Hardwood is an appealing option, and those pre-finished
> >planks with the UV-cured finish are interesting, but I'd be afraid
> >that debris would fall down between the boards. Then again, our
> >floors are pretty bouncy (and the kitchen is over a bunch of
> >mechanicals, so it would be difficult to sister the joists), so
> >a finish applied in situ might well crack anyway.

>
> Our kitchen floor was a bit bouncy too but after the 3/4" T&G hardwood
> was installed no more bounce. The fella that did it knew his stuff,
> his father installed all the hardwood floors here more tham fifty
> years ago and retired, but now his son took over. He had all the
> proper tools, a special pneumatic nailer that nailed on a bias, no
> glue... real hardwood flooring is NEVER glued, that would be sinful.
> His sander was laser driven, floor turned out as flat and level as a
> pro billiard table. There are no spaces between the boards, all the
> appliances were moved out so the flooring was installed there too, and
> inside closets. All the molding was carefully removed and replaced
> after the flooring was installed. Where there were transitions he
> custom made saddles. I have no complaints, and everyone who sees it
> loves it.
> Starting:
> http://i65.tinypic.com/2dvk83k.jpg
> A custom made on site transition saddle:
> http://i68.tinypic.com/14acvx3.jpg
> The only down side to installing real hardwood flooring is that
> sanding is messy, but he sealed all the other rooms with plastic
> sheeting and when he was done he vacuumed up all the dust, his sander
> had a dust collection feature but not perfect, we had to do some clean
> up too.
> http://i66.tinypic.com/16rjx5.jpg
> What's not to like:
> http://i64.tinypic.com/2vu0nix.jpg
> I have lots more pictures but I think you get the idea, I have no
> regrets, none:
> http://i63.tinypic.com/20hoift.jpg
> I love my kitchen, perfectly designed. Every stick of lumber in this
> house came from trees on this property, all the cabinets and paneling
> too. The whole family helped build it, Norwegians are excellent
> carpenters.
> Brazilian cherry darkens when exposed to sunlight but we've gotten
> used to the changes and move the area rug under the table occasionally
> so it all evened out. We have no wall to wall carpeting anywhere,
> instead we use area rugs and some very nice oriental rugs that get
> moved about periodically. If you decide on real hardwood be certain
> the intaller you choose knows his stuff, do your research and inspect
> his jobs in person, do not rely on photos. Real hardwood is a
> lifetime investment so choose carefully... don't let anyone talk you
> into laminate. If you have questions I'll be happy to share what I
> know.


Absolutely gorgeous, Sheldon. You are rightly proud of it.

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>"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
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>On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 5:14:01 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> had Brazilian
>> >> cherry T&G hardwood installed directly over it, looks far more
>> >> attractive and very easy to maintain... also cost less than ceramic
>> >> tile as the 3/4" thick solid hardwood flooring didn't require any
>> >> floor prep, no mud floor needed. Some people thought it would be
>> >> difficult to maintain in wet areas but that's not true, the new water
>> >> based sealer seal extremely well, dries fast, and hardly any odor.
>> >
>> >Was your installed bare wood and then finished in place?

>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> >We're looking at remodeling our kitchen and are having a hard time
>> >figuring out what to do with the floor. Hard tile is out of the
>> >question. We were considering sheet vinyl, but everything we've seen
>> >looks terrible. Hardwood is an appealing option, and those pre-finished
>> >planks with the UV-cured finish are interesting, but I'd be afraid
>> >that debris would fall down between the boards. Then again, our
>> >floors are pretty bouncy (and the kitchen is over a bunch of
>> >mechanicals, so it would be difficult to sister the joists), so
>> >a finish applied in situ might well crack anyway.

>>
>> Our kitchen floor was a bit bouncy too but after the 3/4" T&G hardwood
>> was installed no more bounce. The fella that did it knew his stuff,
>> his father installed all the hardwood floors here more tham fifty
>> years ago and retired, but now his son took over. He had all the
>> proper tools, a special pneumatic nailer that nailed on a bias, no
>> glue... real hardwood flooring is NEVER glued, that would be sinful.
>> His sander was laser driven, floor turned out as flat and level as a
>> pro billiard table. There are no spaces between the boards, all the
>> appliances were moved out so the flooring was installed there too, and
>> inside closets. All the molding was carefully removed and replaced
>> after the flooring was installed. Where there were transitions he
>> custom made saddles. I have no complaints, and everyone who sees it
>> loves it.
>> Starting:
>> http://i65.tinypic.com/2dvk83k.jpg
>> A custom made on site transition saddle:
>> http://i68.tinypic.com/14acvx3.jpg
>> The only down side to installing real hardwood flooring is that
>> sanding is messy, but he sealed all the other rooms with plastic
>> sheeting and when he was done he vacuumed up all the dust, his sander
>> had a dust collection feature but not perfect, we had to do some clean
>> up too.
>> http://i66.tinypic.com/16rjx5.jpg
>> What's not to like:
>> http://i64.tinypic.com/2vu0nix.jpg
>> I have lots more pictures but I think you get the idea, I have no
>> regrets, none:
>> http://i63.tinypic.com/20hoift.jpg
>> I love my kitchen, perfectly designed. Every stick of lumber in this
>> house came from trees on this property, all the cabinets and paneling
>> too. The whole family helped build it, Norwegians are excellent
>> carpenters.
>> Brazilian cherry darkens when exposed to sunlight but we've gotten
>> used to the changes and move the area rug under the table occasionally
>> so it all evened out. We have no wall to wall carpeting anywhere,
>> instead we use area rugs and some very nice oriental rugs that get
>> moved about periodically. If you decide on real hardwood be certain
>> the intaller you choose knows his stuff, do your research and inspect
>> his jobs in person, do not rely on photos. Real hardwood is a
>> lifetime investment so choose carefully... don't let anyone talk you
>> into laminate. If you have questions I'll be happy to share what I
>> know.

>
>Absolutely gorgeous, Sheldon. You are rightly proud of it.
>
>Cindy Hamilton
>
>=========
>
>It is indeed. Beautiful!


Thank you both... it was the best remodel decision I made... after 13
years it just gets better.
Hardwood flooring is certainly a lot easier to maintain than wall to
wall carpeting... and easy to change the decor with some nice area
rugs moved about.
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> "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 5:14:01 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > >>
> > >> had Brazilian
> > >> cherry T&G hardwood installed directly over it, looks far more
> > >> attractive and very easy to maintain... also cost less than ceramic
> > >> tile as the 3/4" thick solid hardwood flooring didn't require any
> > >> floor prep, no mud floor needed. Some people thought it would be
> > >> difficult to maintain in wet areas but that's not true, the new water
> > >> based sealer seal extremely well, dries fast, and hardly any odor.
> > >
> > >Was your installed bare wood and then finished in place?

> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > >We're looking at remodeling our kitchen and are having a hard time
> > >figuring out what to do with the floor. Hard tile is out of the
> > >question. We were considering sheet vinyl, but everything we've seen
> > >looks terrible. Hardwood is an appealing option, and those pre-finished
> > >planks with the UV-cured finish are interesting, but I'd be afraid
> > >that debris would fall down between the boards. Then again, our
> > >floors are pretty bouncy (and the kitchen is over a bunch of
> > >mechanicals, so it would be difficult to sister the joists), so
> > >a finish applied in situ might well crack anyway.

> >
> > Our kitchen floor was a bit bouncy too but after the 3/4" T&G hardwood
> > was installed no more bounce. The fella that did it knew his stuff,
> > his father installed all the hardwood floors here more tham fifty
> > years ago and retired, but now his son took over. He had all the
> > proper tools, a special pneumatic nailer that nailed on a bias, no
> > glue... real hardwood flooring is NEVER glued, that would be sinful.
> > His sander was laser driven, floor turned out as flat and level as a
> > pro billiard table. There are no spaces between the boards, all the
> > appliances were moved out so the flooring was installed there too, and
> > inside closets. All the molding was carefully removed and replaced
> > after the flooring was installed. Where there were transitions he
> > custom made saddles. I have no complaints, and everyone who sees it
> > loves it.
> > Starting:
> > http://i65.tinypic.com/2dvk83k.jpg
> > A custom made on site transition saddle:
> > http://i68.tinypic.com/14acvx3.jpg
> > The only down side to installing real hardwood flooring is that
> > sanding is messy, but he sealed all the other rooms with plastic
> > sheeting and when he was done he vacuumed up all the dust, his sander
> > had a dust collection feature but not perfect, we had to do some clean
> > up too.
> > http://i66.tinypic.com/16rjx5.jpg
> > What's not to like:
> > http://i64.tinypic.com/2vu0nix.jpg
> > I have lots more pictures but I think you get the idea, I have no
> > regrets, none:
> > http://i63.tinypic.com/20hoift.jpg
> > I love my kitchen, perfectly designed. Every stick of lumber in this
> > house came from trees on this property, all the cabinets and paneling
> > too. The whole family helped build it, Norwegians are excellent
> > carpenters.
> > Brazilian cherry darkens when exposed to sunlight but we've gotten
> > used to the changes and move the area rug under the table occasionally
> > so it all evened out. We have no wall to wall carpeting anywhere,
> > instead we use area rugs and some very nice oriental rugs that get
> > moved about periodically. If you decide on real hardwood be certain
> > the intaller you choose knows his stuff, do your research and inspect
> > his jobs in person, do not rely on photos. Real hardwood is a
> > lifetime investment so choose carefully... don't let anyone talk you
> > into laminate. If you have questions I'll be happy to share what I
> > know.

>
> Absolutely gorgeous, Sheldon. You are rightly proud of it.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
> =========
>
> It is indeed. Beautiful!


Personally, I think it looks like a 1960's kitchen and very yawn and
very out of date. He should photoshop June Cleaver into those kitchen
pics. But hey...if he still likes it, no problem. His wife's opinion
doesn't even count since he never lets anyone into HIS kitchen. lol
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On 11/28/2016 11:36 AM, Gary wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 5:14:01 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> had Brazilian
>>>>> cherry T&G hardwood installed directly over it, looks far more
>>>>> attractive and very easy to maintain... also cost less than ceramic
>>>>> tile as the 3/4" thick solid hardwood flooring didn't require any
>>>>> floor prep, no mud floor needed. Some people thought it would be
>>>>> difficult to maintain in wet areas but that's not true, the new water
>>>>> based sealer seal extremely well, dries fast, and hardly any odor.
>>>>
>>>> Was your installed bare wood and then finished in place?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>> We're looking at remodeling our kitchen and are having a hard time
>>>> figuring out what to do with the floor. Hard tile is out of the
>>>> question. We were considering sheet vinyl, but everything we've seen
>>>> looks terrible. Hardwood is an appealing option, and those pre-finished
>>>> planks with the UV-cured finish are interesting, but I'd be afraid
>>>> that debris would fall down between the boards. Then again, our
>>>> floors are pretty bouncy (and the kitchen is over a bunch of
>>>> mechanicals, so it would be difficult to sister the joists), so
>>>> a finish applied in situ might well crack anyway.
>>>
>>> Our kitchen floor was a bit bouncy too but after the 3/4" T&G hardwood
>>> was installed no more bounce. The fella that did it knew his stuff,
>>> his father installed all the hardwood floors here more tham fifty
>>> years ago and retired, but now his son took over. He had all the
>>> proper tools, a special pneumatic nailer that nailed on a bias, no
>>> glue... real hardwood flooring is NEVER glued, that would be sinful.
>>> His sander was laser driven, floor turned out as flat and level as a
>>> pro billiard table. There are no spaces between the boards, all the
>>> appliances were moved out so the flooring was installed there too, and
>>> inside closets. All the molding was carefully removed and replaced
>>> after the flooring was installed. Where there were transitions he
>>> custom made saddles. I have no complaints, and everyone who sees it
>>> loves it.
>>> Starting:
>>> http://i65.tinypic.com/2dvk83k.jpg
>>> A custom made on site transition saddle:
>>> http://i68.tinypic.com/14acvx3.jpg
>>> The only down side to installing real hardwood flooring is that
>>> sanding is messy, but he sealed all the other rooms with plastic
>>> sheeting and when he was done he vacuumed up all the dust, his sander
>>> had a dust collection feature but not perfect, we had to do some clean
>>> up too.
>>> http://i66.tinypic.com/16rjx5.jpg
>>> What's not to like:
>>> http://i64.tinypic.com/2vu0nix.jpg
>>> I have lots more pictures but I think you get the idea, I have no
>>> regrets, none:
>>> http://i63.tinypic.com/20hoift.jpg
>>> I love my kitchen, perfectly designed. Every stick of lumber in this
>>> house came from trees on this property, all the cabinets and paneling
>>> too. The whole family helped build it, Norwegians are excellent
>>> carpenters.
>>> Brazilian cherry darkens when exposed to sunlight but we've gotten
>>> used to the changes and move the area rug under the table occasionally
>>> so it all evened out. We have no wall to wall carpeting anywhere,
>>> instead we use area rugs and some very nice oriental rugs that get
>>> moved about periodically. If you decide on real hardwood be certain
>>> the intaller you choose knows his stuff, do your research and inspect
>>> his jobs in person, do not rely on photos. Real hardwood is a
>>> lifetime investment so choose carefully... don't let anyone talk you
>>> into laminate. If you have questions I'll be happy to share what I
>>> know.

>>
>> Absolutely gorgeous, Sheldon. You are rightly proud of it.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> =========
>>
>> It is indeed. Beautiful!

>
> Personally, I think it looks like a 1960's kitchen and very yawn and
> very out of date.


It's a classic look, regardless of the decade chosen.


> He should photoshop June Cleaver into those kitchen
> pics.


She would feel at home , yes.

> But hey...if he still likes it, no problem. His wife's opinion
> doesn't even count since he never lets anyone into HIS kitchen. lol


Well aren't we feeling frisky today!



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In article >, Gary says...
>
> Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 5:14:01 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> had Brazilian
> > > >> cherry T&G hardwood installed directly over it, looks far more
> > > >> attractive and very easy to maintain... also cost less than ceramic
> > > >> tile as the 3/4" thick solid hardwood flooring didn't require any
> > > >> floor prep, no mud floor needed. Some people thought it would be
> > > >> difficult to maintain in wet areas but that's not true, the new water
> > > >> based sealer seal extremely well, dries fast, and hardly any odor.
> > > >
> > > >Was your installed bare wood and then finished in place?
> > >
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > > >We're looking at remodeling our kitchen and are having a hard time
> > > >figuring out what to do with the floor. Hard tile is out of the
> > > >question. We were considering sheet vinyl, but everything we've seen
> > > >looks terrible. Hardwood is an appealing option, and those pre-finished
> > > >planks with the UV-cured finish are interesting, but I'd be afraid
> > > >that debris would fall down between the boards. Then again, our
> > > >floors are pretty bouncy (and the kitchen is over a bunch of
> > > >mechanicals, so it would be difficult to sister the joists), so
> > > >a finish applied in situ might well crack anyway.
> > >
> > > Our kitchen floor was a bit bouncy too but after the 3/4" T&G hardwood
> > > was installed no more bounce. The fella that did it knew his stuff,
> > > his father installed all the hardwood floors here more tham fifty
> > > years ago and retired, but now his son took over. He had all the
> > > proper tools, a special pneumatic nailer that nailed on a bias, no
> > > glue... real hardwood flooring is NEVER glued, that would be sinful.
> > > His sander was laser driven, floor turned out as flat and level as a
> > > pro billiard table. There are no spaces between the boards, all the
> > > appliances were moved out so the flooring was installed there too, and
> > > inside closets. All the molding was carefully removed and replaced
> > > after the flooring was installed. Where there were transitions he
> > > custom made saddles. I have no complaints, and everyone who sees it
> > > loves it.
> > > Starting:
> > > http://i65.tinypic.com/2dvk83k.jpg
> > > A custom made on site transition saddle:
> > > http://i68.tinypic.com/14acvx3.jpg
> > > The only down side to installing real hardwood flooring is that
> > > sanding is messy, but he sealed all the other rooms with plastic
> > > sheeting and when he was done he vacuumed up all the dust, his sander
> > > had a dust collection feature but not perfect, we had to do some clean
> > > up too.
> > > http://i66.tinypic.com/16rjx5.jpg
> > > What's not to like:
> > > http://i64.tinypic.com/2vu0nix.jpg
> > > I have lots more pictures but I think you get the idea, I have no
> > > regrets, none:
> > > http://i63.tinypic.com/20hoift.jpg
> > > I love my kitchen, perfectly designed. Every stick of lumber in this
> > > house came from trees on this property, all the cabinets and paneling
> > > too. The whole family helped build it, Norwegians are excellent
> > > carpenters.
> > > Brazilian cherry darkens when exposed to sunlight but we've gotten
> > > used to the changes and move the area rug under the table occasionally
> > > so it all evened out. We have no wall to wall carpeting anywhere,
> > > instead we use area rugs and some very nice oriental rugs that get
> > > moved about periodically. If you decide on real hardwood be certain
> > > the intaller you choose knows his stuff, do your research and inspect
> > > his jobs in person, do not rely on photos. Real hardwood is a
> > > lifetime investment so choose carefully... don't let anyone talk you
> > > into laminate. If you have questions I'll be happy to share what I
> > > know.

> >
> > Absolutely gorgeous, Sheldon. You are rightly proud of it.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > =========
> >
> > It is indeed. Beautiful!

>
> Personally, I think it looks like a 1960's kitchen and very yawn and
> very out of date. He should photoshop June Cleaver into those kitchen
> pics. But hey...if he still likes it, no problem. His wife's opinion
> doesn't even count since he never lets anyone into HIS kitchen. lol


Mind you, a 1960's kitchen is ultramodern for him.
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> Mind you, a 1960's kitchen is ultramodern for him.


Is your Asstrailer cave even furnished yet?
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Larty Bodine wrote:
>Gary wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> had Brazilian
>>>>>> cherry T&G hardwood installed directly over it, looks far more
>>>>>> attractive and very easy to maintain... also cost less than ceramic
>>>>>> tile as the 3/4" thick solid hardwood flooring didn't require any
>>>>>> floor prep, no mud floor needed. Some people thought it would be
>>>>>> difficult to maintain in wet areas but that's not true, the new water
>>>>>> based sealer seal extremely well, dries fast, and hardly any odor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Was your installed bare wood and then finished in place?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>>> We're looking at remodeling our kitchen and are having a hard time
>>>>> figuring out what to do with the floor. Hard tile is out of the
>>>>> question. We were considering sheet vinyl, but everything we've seen
>>>>> looks terrible. Hardwood is an appealing option, and those pre-finished
>>>>> planks with the UV-cured finish are interesting, but I'd be afraid
>>>>> that debris would fall down between the boards. Then again, our
>>>>> floors are pretty bouncy (and the kitchen is over a bunch of
>>>>> mechanicals, so it would be difficult to sister the joists), so
>>>>> a finish applied in situ might well crack anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Our kitchen floor was a bit bouncy too but after the 3/4" T&G hardwood
>>>> was installed no more bounce. The fella that did it knew his stuff,
>>>> his father installed all the hardwood floors here more tham fifty
>>>> years ago and retired, but now his son took over. He had all the
>>>> proper tools, a special pneumatic nailer that nailed on a bias, no
>>>> glue... real hardwood flooring is NEVER glued, that would be sinful.
>>>> His sander was laser driven, floor turned out as flat and level as a
>>>> pro billiard table. There are no spaces between the boards, all the
>>>> appliances were moved out so the flooring was installed there too, and
>>>> inside closets. All the molding was carefully removed and replaced
>>>> after the flooring was installed. Where there were transitions he
>>>> custom made saddles. I have no complaints, and everyone who sees it
>>>> loves it.
>>>> Starting:
>>>> http://i65.tinypic.com/2dvk83k.jpg
>>>> A custom made on site transition saddle:
>>>> http://i68.tinypic.com/14acvx3.jpg
>>>> The only down side to installing real hardwood flooring is that
>>>> sanding is messy, but he sealed all the other rooms with plastic
>>>> sheeting and when he was done he vacuumed up all the dust, his sander
>>>> had a dust collection feature but not perfect, we had to do some clean
>>>> up too.
>>>> http://i66.tinypic.com/16rjx5.jpg
>>>> What's not to like:
>>>> http://i64.tinypic.com/2vu0nix.jpg
>>>> I have lots more pictures but I think you get the idea, I have no
>>>> regrets, none:
>>>> http://i63.tinypic.com/20hoift.jpg
>>>> I love my kitchen, perfectly designed. Every stick of lumber in this
>>>> house came from trees on this property, all the cabinets and paneling
>>>> too. The whole family helped build it, Norwegians are excellent
>>>> carpenters.
>>>> Brazilian cherry darkens when exposed to sunlight but we've gotten
>>>> used to the changes and move the area rug under the table occasionally
>>>> so it all evened out. We have no wall to wall carpeting anywhere,
>>>> instead we use area rugs and some very nice oriental rugs that get
>>>> moved about periodically. If you decide on real hardwood be certain
>>>> the intaller you choose knows his stuff, do your research and inspect
>>>> his jobs in person, do not rely on photos. Real hardwood is a
>>>> lifetime investment so choose carefully... don't let anyone talk you
>>>> into laminate. If you have questions I'll be happy to share what I
>>>> know.
>>>
>>> Absolutely gorgeous, Sheldon. You are rightly proud of it.
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>> =========
>>> It is indeed. Beautiful!

>>
>> Personally, I think it looks like a 1960's kitchen and very yawn and
>> very out of date.

>
>It's a classic look, regardless of the decade chosen.
>> He should photoshop June Cleaver into those kitchen
>> pics.

>
>She would feel at home , yes.
>
>> But hey...if he still likes it, no problem. His wife's opinion
>> doesn't even count since he never lets anyone into HIS kitchen. lol


My wife is very happy not to cook, not her thing, that's the main
reson we get along so well, because I do all the cooking.

>Well aren't we feeling frisky today!


No one will ever see Gary's kitchen, just a $10 microwave oven from a
yard sale, greasy-filthy. His kitchen sink is down the hall in the
shared communal terlit. I saw those pics where he lives, those are
WWII barracks, all crackhead occupants share the latrine in the
partial basement. In fact I don't believe he has an apartment, Gary
has a corrogated cardboard pallet in the abandoned coal bin in that
partial basement... that's why he kept a ferret, because of the rats
gnawing on his toes. LOL-LOL
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>> I use my (hand) mixer once or twice a month. I use my FP one or twice a
>> year. It has to be for something that is enough work to make it worth
>> digging it out cleaning it and putting it away again. Those are the
>> occasions where there really is no substitute. One of the chores I use
>> it for is cutting Seville orange peels for marmalade. It would easily
>> take 20 minutes or more to slice them all up fine enough to make
>> marmalade. The FP can cut them up in a minute.

>
> I somewhat recently rediscovered orange marmalade. YUM.
> That said, as little as I'd use it, just buying a small
> jar works for me.
>


Did you are least try a good one? There are lots of relatively cheap
marmalades on the market. Do yourself a favour and try a nice Seville
Orange Marmalade. The good ones come in small bottles ;-)
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On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 Dave Smith wrote:
>On 2016-11-23 4:07 p.m., Gary wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:

>
>>> I use my (hand) mixer once or twice a month. I use my FP one or twice a
>>> year. It has to be for something that is enough work to make it worth
>>> digging it out cleaning it and putting it away again. Those are the
>>> occasions where there really is no substitute. One of the chores I use
>>> it for is cutting Seville orange peels for marmalade. It would easily
>>> take 20 minutes or more to slice them all up fine enough to make
>>> marmalade. The FP can cut them up in a minute.


For chopping citrus peels I use my meat grinder with a large hole
plate... I don't own a food processer, I have no use for one.
A meat grinder does a much better job of making all the pieces evenly
sized as they all pass through just once.
I no longer have a stand mixer my Kitchen
Aid hand mixer is more than adequate for two person sized recipes and
Kitchen Aid stand mixers are too small for large batches. I used to
have a 12 quart Hobart. But now if I want to bake a loaf of bread my
ABM is more than adequate... or I can knead bt hand. When I was young
I entertained so the 12 quart Hobart worked well, but these days we
rarely entertain more than another couple... and we have no relatives
still living... that's a negative of growing old, most everyone we
used to know from our young days is gone or in nursing homes far away.
There are only two guys I still correspond with from the Navy and they
are older than me and in very poor health, one in Texas, one in
Washington State. Where I worked for 25 years I was the youngest one,
only one remains that I knew and he lives in Florida... we phone each
other about once every two months but mostly it's about ancient shop
talk... Charlie The Actor lost his wife about three years ago but has
a son living in Florida.... Charlie was in the acting club at work, a
very handsome man with a great voice. he should have been in
Hollywood.



>> I somewhat recently rediscovered orange marmalade. YUM.
>> That said, as little as I'd use it, just buying a small
>> jar works for me.
>>

>
>Did you are least try a good one? There are lots of relatively cheap
>marmalades on the market. Do yourself a favour and try a nice Seville
>Orange Marmalade. The good ones come in small bottles ;-)



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> Did you are least try a good one? There are lots of relatively cheap
> marmalades on the market. Do yourself a favour and try a nice Seville
> Orange Marmalade. The good ones come in small bottles ;-)


I keep that in fridge always for the last few years.
Always comes in small jars. Some better than others.

I need more now and I'll look for your recommendation.
I do like it.
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>Dave Smith wrote: (about marmalade)
>
>> Did you are least try a good one? There are lots of relatively cheap
>> marmalades on the market. Do yourself a favour and try a nice Seville
>> Orange Marmalade. The good ones come in small bottles ;-)

>
>I keep that in fridge always for the last few years.
>Always comes in small jars. Some better than others.
>
>I need more now and I'll look for your recommendation.
>I do like it.


I find inexpensive store brand orange marmalade very adequate and
works well for my uses, mostly added to cake batter and I add it to
marinades. Orange marmalde is excelent added to chocolate cake
batter, so is raspberry jam. Orange marmalade is perfect for Oriental
marinades... great for pork, chicken, beef. even most vegetables. A
tablespoon of orange marmalade added to Chinese hot and sour soup
makes it wonderful.


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>> I find inexpensive store brand orange marmalade very adequate and
>> works well for my uses, mostly added to cake batter and I add it to
>> marinades. Orange marmalde is excelent added to chocolate cake
>> batter, so is raspberry jam. Orange marmalade is perfect for Oriental
>> marinades... great for pork, chicken, beef. even most vegetables. A
>> tablespoon of orange marmalade added to Chinese hot and sour soup
>> makes it wonderful.

>
>I like it spread on buttered toast.
>Also good spread on oven roasted chicken thighs but do use
>it sparingly. It can easily overpower the chicken taste.


I prefer duck sauce
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wrote:
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>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 08:51:25 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I find inexpensive store brand orange marmalade very adequate and
>> >> works well for my uses, mostly added to cake batter and I add it to
>> >> marinades. Orange marmalde is excelent added to chocolate cake
>> >> batter, so is raspberry jam. Orange marmalade is perfect for Oriental
>> >> marinades... great for pork, chicken, beef. even most vegetables. A
>> >> tablespoon of orange marmalade added to Chinese hot and sour soup
>> >> makes it wonderful.
>> >
>> >I like it spread on buttered toast.
>> >Also good spread on oven roasted chicken thighs but do use
>> >it sparingly. It can easily overpower the chicken taste.

>>
>> I prefer duck sauce

>
>
>Duck sauce (a good brand) is "da man" for fried chicken nuggets
>and also asian spring rolls. I have the tastiest here now (small
>packets stolen from 7-11). Hey, I showed them and offered to pay
>but they just said take them. They had no price for condiments.
>
>Anyway, brand is.... MINH sweet and sour sauce. If I ever see a
>large jar, I'll buy it.


https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=duck%20sauce
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=duck+sauc..._sb_ss_sc_7_10


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