"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 08:14:07 -0600, Janet B >
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 02:58:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
>>>Of course you can. But those are one thing that my farmer grandpa
>>>refused
>>>to grow. Why? You can buy them for cheap. Now if you want some variety
>>>that you can't get in a store, then it might be worth it. Otherwise,
>>>probably not.
>>
>>
>>The potato post is for someone with curiosity, someone who wants to
>>try something new. someone who wants to explore, someone who wants to
>>have fun, someone with an open mind.
>>There are many things of value other than 'getting it for cheap.'
>>I've said before. What I post has nothing to do with you or anything
>>you would understand or appreciate.
>
> Snooty woman.
>
> If I was going to grow one thing only, potatoes would be very low on
> my list. They're cheap and I don't find the quality difference between
> store bought and home grown that big. I'd only grow them if I was
> trying to grow all my food myself.

Thanks. I just didn't want some newbie gardener to be disappointed with
their yield. Oh but what I say has to be wrong, doesn't matter...blah,
blah, blah...

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 21:47:02 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 16:23:01 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>"Janet" > wrote in message
...
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>
>>>>> You might be surprised at what you get! I did not realize that you're
>>>>> not
>>>>> supposed to do that. It can encourage diseases and somehow the seed
>>>>> can
>>>>> mutate.
>>>>
>>>> OFGS Julie, time to shut up before you reveal more stupidity.
>>>
>>>http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussi...ar-self-seeded
>>>
>>>Who's stupid now?
>>
>> You must be, if you think anyone is going to swallow that diversion
>> away from your 'mutation' claim.
>
>Okay then. I will look again. Here you go:
>
>http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extnews/hor...veg/tomato.htm
>
>Specifically: "
>Q: My grandma has had a problem with her tomatoes getting black spots and
>rotting a day after they are picked. Most of the tomatoes can't be eaten.
>She said she is rotating the plants. She also grows pepper plants. They are
>always good. She doesn't water with a hose or sprinkler. She uses a bucket
>and waters with a pan, so there is no splashing. (Springfield, Ohio)
>
> A: It sounds like your grandma is using seed she saved from the previous
>year. If so, she should purchase fresh seed each year because many diseases
>can be carried over in the seed of infected tomatoes. If that isn't the
>case, then tell her to get hybrid tomatoes with the letters VFHNT after
>their names. These are tomatoes bred for resistance to the most common
>bacterial, fungal and virus diseases."

Do you even know what it is you're supposed to be refuting here?

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 18:58:20 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 6:58:38 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:48:55 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 1:17:01 AM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> >> You might be surprised at what you get! I did not realize that you're
>>> >> not
>>> >> supposed to do that. It can encourage diseases and somehow the seed
>>> >> can
>>> >> mutate. I did get tomatoes but they were weird looking and inedible
>>> >> due to
>>> >> too much rain that year.
>>> >
>>> >"It can encourage diseases and somehow the seed can
>>> >mutate."
>>> >
>>> >Absolute BS on both counts. Julie, where do you come up with such
>>> >drivel? Stick with what you know...namely "quack medicine", you'll be
>>> >better off.
>>>
>>> Julie used to be a garden shop manager, how dare you question her
>>> expertise.
>>
>>What she doesn't know, she makes up...but I've gardened for sixty years,
>>so I've got her beat.
>>I understand that she had a part-time gardener, but let him go.
>>Some day she will tell all about that experience...you can bet on it.
>
> IIRC, Julie already has. We're overdue for a good story at this stage.
> May I request something involving the gardener, crystal meth and
> leftovers please, Jools?

I said nothing of the sort and you are a nasty, nasty person. I had a very
good gardener and he passed away recently. How dare you even say anything
of the sort. You sick person. And no. I am not going to tell the tale of
his death here. It's nobody's business. B-Hole.

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 23:36:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Anyone who thinks it is a good idea to self seed tomatoes is clueless. But
>they can just see for themselves.

Stop talking absolute crap Julie. The fact that people have been
saving their own tomato seed and successfully growing tomatoes for
centuries (millennia?) doesn't mean anything to you?

My grandparents did it for something like 60 years and always had
excellent tomatoes. In fact, they were a damned sight better than most
of the commercial seed product.

Just because some tards out there put out fear mongering about
diseases, doesn't mean you can't save your own tomato seeds without
problems. Probably shills for the seed companies anyway.

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 23:35:29 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>I didn't make anything up. And I didn't let my gardener go you B-Hole! He
>was severely injured when his trailer fell on his foot and he is now dead.
>Not because of that but I am not going to get into that.

Oh god... here we go

>Angela and I also have severe grass allergies so... Shup.

This is another new one guys, or did I miss it previously?

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 23:27:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>I did quit growing the greens as I just kept
>getting too many and so did everyone else I knew. I then grew radishes
>instead.

Were the radishes good to eat?

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:03:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 18:58:20 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 6:58:38 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:48:55 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 1:17:01 AM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> >> You might be surprised at what you get! I did not realize that you're
>>>> >> not
>>>> >> supposed to do that. It can encourage diseases and somehow the seed
>>>> >> can
>>>> >> mutate. I did get tomatoes but they were weird looking and inedible
>>>> >> due to
>>>> >> too much rain that year.
>>>> >
>>>> >"It can encourage diseases and somehow the seed can
>>>> >mutate."
>>>> >
>>>> >Absolute BS on both counts. Julie, where do you come up with such
>>>> >drivel? Stick with what you know...namely "quack medicine", you'll be
>>>> >better off.
>>>>
>>>> Julie used to be a garden shop manager, how dare you question her
>>>> expertise.
>>>
>>>What she doesn't know, she makes up...but I've gardened for sixty years,
>>>so I've got her beat.
>>>I understand that she had a part-time gardener, but let him go.
>>>Some day she will tell all about that experience...you can bet on it.
>>
>> IIRC, Julie already has. We're overdue for a good story at this stage.
>> May I request something involving the gardener, crystal meth and
>> leftovers please, Jools?
>
>I said nothing of the sort and you are a nasty, nasty person.

I never said you said... hang on, what??

>I had a very
>good gardener and he passed away recently. How dare you even say anything
>of the sort.

How dare I say what?

>You sick person. And no. I am not going to tell the tale of
>his death here. It's nobody's business. B-Hole.

I didnt know about his death until a post you made a few minutes ago.
So how would I have even known he's dead? You're such a space cadet.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 23:35:29 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>I didn't make anything up. And I didn't let my gardener go you B-Hole!
>>He
>>was severely injured when his trailer fell on his foot and he is now dead.
>>Not because of that but I am not going to get into that.
>
> Oh god... here we go
>
>>Angela and I also have severe grass allergies so... Shup.
>
> This is another new one guys, or did I miss it previously?

Not new. I know you people think I speak of every little life detail here.
I don't. *sigh*

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 23:36:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>Anyone who thinks it is a good idea to self seed tomatoes is clueless.
>>But
>>they can just see for themselves.
>
> Stop talking absolute crap Julie. The fact that people have been
> saving their own tomato seed and successfully growing tomatoes for
> centuries (millennia?) doesn't mean anything to you?

Saving and self seeding is not the same thing at all.
>
> My grandparents did it for something like 60 years and always had
> excellent tomatoes. In fact, they were a damned sight better than most
> of the commercial seed product.
>
> Just because some tards out there put out fear mongering about
> diseases, doesn't mean you can't save your own tomato seeds without
> problems. Probably shills for the seed companies anyway.

If your tomatoes are good and have no diseases, then you can save the seeds
for the following year.

Self seeding means leaving a tomato to rot and then letting whatever comes
up, come up. You can self seed most things if you live in a climate that
allows for it. I have done it with parsley and cilantro and I even did it
with a tomato but not on purpose.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:03:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 18:58:20 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 6:58:38 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:48:55 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 1:17:01 AM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> >> You might be surprised at what you get! I did not realize that
>>>>> >> you're
>>>>> >> not
>>>>> >> supposed to do that. It can encourage diseases and somehow the
>>>>> >> seed
>>>>> >> can
>>>>> >> mutate. I did get tomatoes but they were weird looking and
>>>>> >> inedible
>>>>> >> due to
>>>>> >> too much rain that year.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >"It can encourage diseases and somehow the seed can
>>>>> >mutate."
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Absolute BS on both counts. Julie, where do you come up with such
>>>>> >drivel? Stick with what you know...namely "quack medicine", you'll be
>>>>> >better off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie used to be a garden shop manager, how dare you question her
>>>>> expertise.
>>>>
>>>>What she doesn't know, she makes up...but I've gardened for sixty years,
>>>>so I've got her beat.
>>>>I understand that she had a part-time gardener, but let him go.
>>>>Some day she will tell all about that experience...you can bet on it.
>>>
>>> IIRC, Julie already has. We're overdue for a good story at this stage.
>>> May I request something involving the gardener, crystal meth and
>>> leftovers please, Jools?
>>
>>I said nothing of the sort and you are a nasty, nasty person.
>
> I never said you said... hang on, what??
>
>>I had a very
>>good gardener and he passed away recently. How dare you even say anything
>>of the sort.
>
> How dare I say what?
>
>>You sick person. And no. I am not going to tell the tale of
>>his death here. It's nobody's business. B-Hole.
>
> I didnt know about his death until a post you made a few minutes ago.
> So how would I have even known he's dead? You're such a space cadet.

I don't know what you know or don't know. But I do know you're a B-Hole.

"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...

>Anyone who thinks it is a good idea to self seed tomatoes is clueless. But
>they can just see for themselves.

OMG you just dis mother nature.


Robert

In article >,
says...
>
> On 4/17/2016 2:27 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2016-04-17 10:30 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 4/17/2016 9:21 AM, Janet B wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> When we were kids we had a peach tree. No matter how much you like
> >> peaches there is a limit to how many you can eat or freeze.
> >
> > I don't know. My mother used to buy a lot of peaches in season and put
> > them up for the winter. She used to can them, but later on we got a
> > freezer and some got canned and some got frozen.
> >
> >> We'd bag them and accost people walking down the street.
> >
> > Your own peaches? I know we used to do that with apples from nearby
> > orchards. I don't remember the farm kids wasting their hard work.


> We were city kids with one prolific tree. We did not have a freezer so
> only a few quarts got put up in the one in the refrigerator. Wasn't that
> much work to fill a bag or three.

People here do the same thing (different fruit). In a home garden,
excess or fallen soft fruit can be a nuisance as it rots, ferments,
attracts wasps who crawl around drunkenly, easy for gardeners children
or pets to get stung.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> "Janet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, says...
> >>
> >> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> >
> >> >> On 4/16/2016 8:24 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Okay, lady. You can't/won't grow a garden. So don't.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Jill
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I had no intention of growing potatoes, but now after reading this
> >> >> thread I feel obligated.
> >> >
> >> > Snicker!
> >> >
> >> > I have a bed of Jeruselem Artichokes at the side of the house. They
> >> > are kept in control because they are bordered by a sidewalk and a bunch
> >> > of brick underlayment.
> >> >
> >> > Now my container garden suffered a failure. We took a hard frost late
> >> > for us just as some peppers and other things were sprouting. Oh well.
> >> > I have time to replant them.
> >> >
> >> > We took the tomatoes in though to the laundry room on those 32F and
> >> > below nights and they are fine and finally we seem past worry on such
> >> > here.
> >> >
> >> > Want funny? We had some heirloom tomato gifts late last year. We put
> >> > them at the front of the house. Some of the fruit was let fall due to
> >> > ants and such nibbling it. We now have a baby natural seeded tomato in
> >> > the flower garden. It's sheltering behind a begonia but I bet the
> >> > begonia will lose the height battle soon.
> >>
> >> You might be surprised at what you get! I did not realize that you're not
> >> supposed to do that. It can encourage diseases and somehow the seed can
> >> mutate.
> >
> > OFGS Julie, time to shut up before you reveal more stupidity.
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussi...ar-self-seeded
>
> Who's stupid now?

Still you, because you confused open pollination (natural, normal,
unpredictable, totally harmless) with "mutated" and think it means some
scary danger.

Just how do you think "heirloom" tomatoes began?

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >>
> >> "Janet" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > says...
> >> > >
> >> >>"cshenk" > wrote in message
> >> > > ...
> >> >>> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> > > >
> >> >>>> On 4/16/2016 8:24 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> >>>> > Okay, lady. You can't/won't grow a garden. So don't.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Jill
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> >>>> I had no intention of growing potatoes, but now after reading
> >> this >>>> thread I feel obligated.
> >> > > >
> >> >>> Snicker!
> >> > > >
> >> >>> I have a bed of Jeruselem Artichokes at the side of the house.
> >> They >>> are kept in control because they are bordered by a sidewalk
> >> and a bunch >>> of brick underlayment.
> >> > > >
> >> >>> Now my container garden suffered a failure. We took a hard frost
> >> late >>> for us just as some peppers and other things were sprouting.
> >> Oh well. >>> I have time to replant them.
> >> > > >
> >> >>> We took the tomatoes in though to the laundry room on those 32F
> >> and >>> below nights and they are fine and finally we seem past worry
> >> on such >>> here.
> >> > > >
> >> >>> Want funny? We had some heirloom tomato gifts late last year.
> >> We put >>> them at the front of the house. Some of the fruit was let
> >> fall due to >>> ants and such nibbling it. We now have a baby
> >> natural seeded tomato in >>> the flower garden. It's sheltering
> >> behind a begonia but I bet the >>> begonia will lose the height
> >> battle soon.
> >> > >
> >> > > You might be surprised at what you get! I did not realize that
> >> > > you're not supposed to do that. It can encourage diseases and
> >> > > somehow the seed can mutate.
> >> >
> >> > OFGS Julie, time to shut up before you reveal more stupidity.
> >> >
> >> > Janet UK
> >>
> >> http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussi...-from-last-yea
> >> r-self-seeded
> >>
> >> Who's stupid now? I know it's a forum but I haven't got time to put
> >> up another link. I have things to do. Buh bye.
> >
> > Good lord, how much google time do you waste looking for a negative
> > reply on a tomato that self seeds like a normal plant?
> >
> > Julie, I like you but why are you so negative all the time?
>
> I spent like a second. I know I am right on this. I no longer have it but
> I used to have a very expensive book that was likely more than anyone wants
> to know about tomatoes.

Wow, you think it's unusual to own gardening books?

Unlike you, other people can read and understand books so don't throw
them away.

This is likely where I first learned that it is not
> wise to self seed tomatoes.

Didn't it teach you what an heirloom tomato is?

But I have attended many lectures from master
> gardeners and attended garden conventions.

yet you still don't know the most basic plant biology.


I know what I say is true. And
> I have proven it. It's not negative. It's a fact. If you let the tomato
> self seed, the end result may be okay or it may not. Tomatoes are not like
> other seeds in this regard.

Self fertilisation, cross fertilisation and hybridisation work exactly
the same way in other seeds, you idiot.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
I too have a
> friend who has a great garden. In fact she bought a farm that was over 100
> years old.

FGS Julie don't you realise that your pathetic third party boasts only
underline your dire personal lack of skills, experience and
accomplishments. You are a one-woman cultural desert.

You know all about the rest of America because you live in Bothell;
all about Latin because your dad did it at school; you know all about
pasta because you have an Italian married name; you know all about
growing potatoes because your grandfather didn't grow them and now you
know all about gardening because your friend bought a farm.

Janet UK

In article >, says...


> Anyone who thinks it is a good idea to self seed tomatoes is clueless. But
> they can just see for themselves.

Tell that to the heirloom/heritage tomato industry.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heirloom_tomato

"An heirloom tomato (also called heritage tomato in the UK) is an
open-pollinated (non-hybrid) heirloom cultivar of tomato. Heirloom
tomatoes have become increasingly popular and more readily available in
recent years. According to tomato experts Craig LeHoullier and Carolyn
Male, heirloom tomatoes can be classified into four categories: family
heirlooms, commercial heirlooms, mystery heirlooms, and created
heirlooms. They are grown for a variety of reasons, such as historical
interest, access to wider varieties, and by people who wish to save
seeds from year to year, as well as for their taste, which is widely
perceived to be better than modern tomatoes. They usually have a shorter
shelf life, but are generally more disease resistant than most
commercial tomatoes"

"Heirloom seeds "breed true," unlike the seeds of hybridized plants.
Both sides of the DNA in an heirloom variety come from a common stable
cultivar, in contrast to hybridized seeds, which combine different
cultivars. The hybrids often exhibit "hybrid vigor" in the first
generation, but the second generation tends to exhibit many undesirable
recessive traits. Heirloom tomato varieties are "open pollinating", and
cross-pollination is common without human intervention.

Heirloom seeds can be easily collected and usually almost all seeds will
continue to show the traits of the original seed because this family of
tomatoes almost always self-pollinates"

You'd think anyone who ever had A Big Book of Tomatoes would know
that.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 18:58:20 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 6:58:38 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:48:55 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 1:17:01 AM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>> >> You might be surprised at what you get! I did not realize that you're
> >>> >> not
> >>> >> supposed to do that. It can encourage diseases and somehow the seed
> >>> >> can
> >>> >> mutate. I did get tomatoes but they were weird looking and inedible
> >>> >> due to
> >>> >> too much rain that year.
> >>> >
> >>> >"It can encourage diseases and somehow the seed can
> >>> >mutate."
> >>> >
> >>> >Absolute BS on both counts. Julie, where do you come up with such
> >>> >drivel? Stick with what you know...namely "quack medicine", you'll be
> >>> >better off.
> >>>
> >>> Julie used to be a garden shop manager, how dare you question her
> >>> expertise.
> >>
> >>What she doesn't know, she makes up...but I've gardened for sixty years,
> >>so I've got her beat.
> >>I understand that she had a part-time gardener, but let him go.
> >>Some day she will tell all about that experience...you can bet on it.
> >
> > IIRC, Julie already has. We're overdue for a good story at this stage.
> > May I request something involving the gardener, crystal meth and
> > leftovers please, Jools?
>
> I said nothing of the sort and you are a nasty, nasty person. I had a very
> good gardener and he passed away recently. How dare you even say anything
> of the sort. You sick person. And no. I am not going to tell the tale of
> his death here. It's nobody's business. B-Hole.

Killer possums dragged him away. We already heard it from the pet
psychic.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:03:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 18:58:20 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 6:58:38 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
> >>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:48:55 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> >On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 1:17:01 AM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>> >> You might be surprised at what you get! I did not realize that
> >>>>> >> you're
> >>>>> >> not
> >>>>> >> supposed to do that. It can encourage diseases and somehow the
> >>>>> >> seed
> >>>>> >> can
> >>>>> >> mutate. I did get tomatoes but they were weird looking and
> >>>>> >> inedible
> >>>>> >> due to
> >>>>> >> too much rain that year.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >"It can encourage diseases and somehow the seed can
> >>>>> >mutate."
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >Absolute BS on both counts. Julie, where do you come up with such
> >>>>> >drivel? Stick with what you know...namely "quack medicine", you'll be
> >>>>> >better off.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Julie used to be a garden shop manager, how dare you question her
> >>>>> expertise.
> >>>>
> >>>>What she doesn't know, she makes up...but I've gardened for sixty years,
> >>>>so I've got her beat.
> >>>>I understand that she had a part-time gardener, but let him go.
> >>>>Some day she will tell all about that experience...you can bet on it.
> >>>
> >>> IIRC, Julie already has. We're overdue for a good story at this stage.
> >>> May I request something involving the gardener, crystal meth and
> >>> leftovers please, Jools?
> >>
> >>I said nothing of the sort and you are a nasty, nasty person.
> >
> > I never said you said... hang on, what??
> >
> >>I had a very
> >>good gardener and he passed away recently. How dare you even say anything
> >>of the sort.
> >
> > How dare I say what?
> >
> >>You sick person. And no. I am not going to tell the tale of
> >>his death here. It's nobody's business. B-Hole.
> >
> > I didnt know about his death until a post you made a few minutes ago.
> > So how would I have even known he's dead? You're such a space cadet.
>
> I don't know what you know or don't know. But I do know you're a B-Hole.

I don't know what a B-hole is. Maybe they only exist in B-othell.

Janet UK

In article >,
lid says...
>
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 08:14:07 -0600, Janet B >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 02:58:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Of course you can. But those are one thing that my farmer grandpa refused
> >>to grow. Why? You can buy them for cheap. Now if you want some variety
> >>that you can't get in a store, then it might be worth it. Otherwise,
> >>probably not.
> >
> >
> >The potato post is for someone with curiosity, someone who wants to
> >try something new. someone who wants to explore, someone who wants to
> >have fun, someone with an open mind.
> >There are many things of value other than 'getting it for cheap.'
> >I've said before. What I post has nothing to do with you or anything
> >you would understand or appreciate.
>
> Snooty woman

> If I was going to grow one thing only, potatoes would be very low on
> my list. They're cheap and I don't find the quality difference between
> store bought and home grown that big. I'd only grow them if I was
> trying to grow all my food myself.

No doubt you know even less about growing food than you do about
cooking it.

Janet UK

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >, says...
>> >>
>> >> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 4/16/2016 8:24 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Okay, lady. You can't/won't grow a garden. So don't.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Jill
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I had no intention of growing potatoes, but now after reading this
>> >> >> thread I feel obligated.
>> >> >
>> >> > Snicker!
>> >> >
>> >> > I have a bed of Jeruselem Artichokes at the side of the house. They
>> >> > are kept in control because they are bordered by a sidewalk and a
>> >> > bunch
>> >> > of brick underlayment.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now my container garden suffered a failure. We took a hard frost
>> >> > late
>> >> > for us just as some peppers and other things were sprouting. Oh
>> >> > well.
>> >> > I have time to replant them.
>> >> >
>> >> > We took the tomatoes in though to the laundry room on those 32F and
>> >> > below nights and they are fine and finally we seem past worry on
>> >> > such
>> >> > here.
>> >> >
>> >> > Want funny? We had some heirloom tomato gifts late last year. We
>> >> > put
>> >> > them at the front of the house. Some of the fruit was let fall due
>> >> > to
>> >> > ants and such nibbling it. We now have a baby natural seeded tomato
>> >> > in
>> >> > the flower garden. It's sheltering behind a begonia but I bet the
>> >> > begonia will lose the height battle soon.
>> >>
>> >> You might be surprised at what you get! I did not realize that you're
>> >> not
>> >> supposed to do that. It can encourage diseases and somehow the seed
>> >> can
>> >> mutate.
>> >
>> > OFGS Julie, time to shut up before you reveal more stupidity.
>> >
>> > Janet UK
>>
>> http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussi...ar-self-seeded
>>
>> Who's stupid now?
>
> Still you, because you confused open pollination (natural, normal,
> unpredictable, totally harmless) with "mutated" and think it means some
> scary danger.
>
> Just how do you think "heirloom" tomatoes began?
>
> Janet UK

Uh, no. Not a scary danger. Just that you may not get something edible. I
don't think heirloom means self seeded. I will look it up. They are seeds
from the original cultivars. Does not mean self seeded.

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > says...
>> >> > >
>> >> >>"cshenk" > wrote in message
>> >> > > ...
>> >> >>> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >> > > >
>> >> >>>> On 4/16/2016 8:24 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> >>>> > Okay, lady. You can't/won't grow a garden. So don't.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > Jill
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> >>>> I had no intention of growing potatoes, but now after reading
>> >> this >>>> thread I feel obligated.
>> >> > > >
>> >> >>> Snicker!
>> >> > > >
>> >> >>> I have a bed of Jeruselem Artichokes at the side of the house.
>> >> They >>> are kept in control because they are bordered by a sidewalk
>> >> and a bunch >>> of brick underlayment.
>> >> > > >
>> >> >>> Now my container garden suffered a failure. We took a hard frost
>> >> late >>> for us just as some peppers and other things were sprouting.
>> >> Oh well. >>> I have time to replant them.
>> >> > > >
>> >> >>> We took the tomatoes in though to the laundry room on those 32F
>> >> and >>> below nights and they are fine and finally we seem past worry
>> >> on such >>> here.
>> >> > > >
>> >> >>> Want funny? We had some heirloom tomato gifts late last year.
>> >> We put >>> them at the front of the house. Some of the fruit was let
>> >> fall due to >>> ants and such nibbling it. We now have a baby
>> >> natural seeded tomato in >>> the flower garden. It's sheltering
>> >> behind a begonia but I bet the >>> begonia will lose the height
>> >> battle soon.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > You might be surprised at what you get! I did not realize that
>> >> > > you're not supposed to do that. It can encourage diseases and
>> >> > > somehow the seed can mutate.
>> >> >
>> >> > OFGS Julie, time to shut up before you reveal more stupidity.
>> >> >
>> >> > Janet UK
>> >>
>> >> http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussi...-from-last-yea
>> >> r-self-seeded
>> >>
>> >> Who's stupid now? I know it's a forum but I haven't got time to put
>> >> up another link. I have things to do. Buh bye.
>> >
>> > Good lord, how much google time do you waste looking for a negative
>> > reply on a tomato that self seeds like a normal plant?
>> >
>> > Julie, I like you but why are you so negative all the time?
>>
>> I spent like a second. I know I am right on this. I no longer have it
>> but
>> I used to have a very expensive book that was likely more than anyone
>> wants
>> to know about tomatoes.
>
> Wow, you think it's unusual to own gardening books?
>
> Unlike you, other people can read and understand books so don't throw
> them away.
>
> This is likely where I first learned that it is not
>> wise to self seed tomatoes.
>
> Didn't it teach you what an heirloom tomato is?
>
> But I have attended many lectures from master
>> gardeners and attended garden conventions.
>
> yet you still don't know the most basic plant biology.
>
>
> I know what I say is true. And
>> I have proven it. It's not negative. It's a fact. If you let the
>> tomato
>> self seed, the end result may be okay or it may not. Tomatoes are not
>> like
>> other seeds in this regard.
>
> Self fertilisation, cross fertilisation and hybridisation work exactly
> the same way in other seeds, you idiot.

That is *not* what I am talking about. I am specifically talking about self
seeding. As in letting a tomato fall, rot and then replant itself. Of
course you can do this and in my case it happened and I didn't even know it.
Heck an animal can poop out a seed and it might grow. But if the plant that
the seed came from had any sort of disease, then it will reoccur in
subsequent plants.

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>>
> I too have a
>> friend who has a great garden. In fact she bought a farm that was over
>> 100
>> years old.
>
> FGS Julie don't you realise that your pathetic third party boasts only
> underline your dire personal lack of skills, experience and
> accomplishments. You are a one-woman cultural desert.

Where did I boast? About the farm? Hardly a boast. Perhaps where you come
from, something like that is desirable. But here? Not at all. But it was
the only place they could afford. I was merely pointing out that even
though we live in the same gardening zone, we can not necessarily grow the
same things. I have a small, shady yard. She has a very large yard with
quite a large area that has been cleared for planting.

I don't even know what the rest of that drivel means and I'm sure I don't
care. Just another one of your insults.
>
> You know all about the rest of America because you live in Bothell;
> all about Latin because your dad did it at school; you know all about
> pasta because you have an Italian married name; you know all about
> growing potatoes because your grandfather didn't grow them and now you
> know all about gardening because your friend bought a farm.

No. I don't know about the rest of America and I never said that I did. I
certainly don't know all about Latin but my dad did speak it at home so I do
know some words. I probably know the same amount as I do of French and
Spanish which isn't a lot. I am no good at foreign languages. I don't know
all about...anything. Never claimed that I did. I do know that you're an
B-Hole too. And if you truly don't know what that means, you're not
thinking very well. Why B? I don't think you deserve an A. Heh.

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>
>
>> Anyone who thinks it is a good idea to self seed tomatoes is clueless.
>> But
>> they can just see for themselves.
>
> Tell that to the heirloom/heritage tomato industry.
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heirloom_tomato
>
> "An heirloom tomato (also called heritage tomato in the UK) is an
> open-pollinated (non-hybrid) heirloom cultivar of tomato. Heirloom
> tomatoes have become increasingly popular and more readily available in
> recent years. According to tomato experts Craig LeHoullier and Carolyn
> Male, heirloom tomatoes can be classified into four categories: family
> heirlooms, commercial heirlooms, mystery heirlooms, and created
> heirlooms. They are grown for a variety of reasons, such as historical
> interest, access to wider varieties, and by people who wish to save
> seeds from year to year, as well as for their taste, which is widely
> perceived to be better than modern tomatoes. They usually have a shorter
> shelf life, but are generally more disease resistant than most
> commercial tomatoes"
>
> "Heirloom seeds "breed true," unlike the seeds of hybridized plants.
> Both sides of the DNA in an heirloom variety come from a common stable
> cultivar, in contrast to hybridized seeds, which combine different
> cultivars. The hybrids often exhibit "hybrid vigor" in the first
> generation, but the second generation tends to exhibit many undesirable
> recessive traits. Heirloom tomato varieties are "open pollinating", and
> cross-pollination is common without human intervention.
>
> Heirloom seeds can be easily collected and usually almost all seeds will
> continue to show the traits of the original seed because this family of
> tomatoes almost always self-pollinates"
>
> You'd think anyone who ever had A Big Book of Tomatoes would know
> that.
>
> Janet UK

And that has nothing whatever to do with self seeding. So why even bring it
up?

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 11:52:11 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>> Tell that to the heirloom/heritage tomato industry.
>
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heirloom_tomato
>>
>> "An heirloom tomato (also called heritage tomato in the UK) is an
>>open-pollinated (non-hybrid) heirloom cultivar of tomato. Heirloom
>>tomatoes have become increasingly popular and more readily available in
>>recent years. According to tomato experts Craig LeHoullier and Carolyn
>>Male, heirloom tomatoes can be classified into four categories: family
>>heirlooms, commercial heirlooms, mystery heirlooms, and created
>>heirlooms. They are grown for a variety of reasons, such as historical
>>interest, access to wider varieties, and by people who wish to save
>>seeds from year to year, as well as for their taste, which is widely
>>perceived to be better than modern tomatoes. They usually have a shorter
>>shelf life, but are generally more disease resistant than most
>>commercial tomatoes"
>>
>>"Heirloom seeds "breed true," unlike the seeds of hybridized plants.
>>Both sides of the DNA in an heirloom variety come from a common stable
>>cultivar, in contrast to hybridized seeds, which combine different
>>cultivars. The hybrids often exhibit "hybrid vigor" in the first
>>generation, but the second generation tends to exhibit many undesirable
>>recessive traits. Heirloom tomato varieties are "open pollinating", and
>>cross-pollination is common without human intervention.
>>
>>Heirloom seeds can be easily collected and usually almost all seeds will
>>continue to show the traits of the original seed because this family of
>>tomatoes almost always self-pollinates"
>>
>> You'd think anyone who ever had A Big Book of Tomatoes would know
>>that.
>
> You're posting quite frantically at the moment. Are you having a
> psychotic episode? Is there someone you can contact?

Maybe sw can help her. He got his psych. degree back un the 80's. I only
took pysche. 101. But I am starting to think that the term "self seeding"
means something else in the US than it does in the UK.

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 18:58:20 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 6:58:38 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:48:55 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >On Sunday, April 17, 2016 at 1:17:01 AM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>> >> You might be surprised at what you get! I did not realize that
>> >>> >> you're
>> >>> >> not
>> >>> >> supposed to do that. It can encourage diseases and somehow the
>> >>> >> seed
>> >>> >> can
>> >>> >> mutate. I did get tomatoes but they were weird looking and
>> >>> >> inedible
>> >>> >> due to
>> >>> >> too much rain that year.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >"It can encourage diseases and somehow the seed can
>> >>> >mutate."
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Absolute BS on both counts. Julie, where do you come up with such
>> >>> >drivel? Stick with what you know...namely "quack medicine", you'll
>> >>> >be
>> >>> >better off.
>> >>>
>> >>> Julie used to be a garden shop manager, how dare you question her
>> >>> expertise.
>> >>
>> >>What she doesn't know, she makes up...but I've gardened for sixty
>> >>years,
>> >>so I've got her beat.
>> >>I understand that she had a part-time gardener, but let him go.
>> >>Some day she will tell all about that experience...you can bet on it.
>> >
>> > IIRC, Julie already has. We're overdue for a good story at this stage.
>> > May I request something involving the gardener, crystal meth and
>> > leftovers please, Jools?
>>
>> I said nothing of the sort and you are a nasty, nasty person. I had a
>> very
>> good gardener and he passed away recently. How dare you even say
>> anything
>> of the sort. You sick person. And no. I am not going to tell the tale
>> of
>> his death here. It's nobody's business. B-Hole.
>
> Killer possums dragged him away. We already heard it from the pet
> psychic.
>
> Janet UK

Maybe they'll drag you away. I guess I can always hope.

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> lid says...
>>
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 08:14:07 -0600, Janet B >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 02:58:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>Of course you can. But those are one thing that my farmer grandpa
>> >>refused
>> >>to grow. Why? You can buy them for cheap. Now if you want some
>> >>variety
>> >>that you can't get in a store, then it might be worth it. Otherwise,
>> >>probably not.
>> >
>> >
>> >The potato post is for someone with curiosity, someone who wants to
>> >try something new. someone who wants to explore, someone who wants to
>> >have fun, someone with an open mind.
>> >There are many things of value other than 'getting it for cheap.'
>> >I've said before. What I post has nothing to do with you or anything
>> >you would understand or appreciate.
>>
>> Snooty woman
>
>> If I was going to grow one thing only, potatoes would be very low on
>> my list. They're cheap and I don't find the quality difference between
>> store bought and home grown that big. I'd only grow them if I was
>> trying to grow all my food myself.
>
> No doubt you know even less about growing food than you do about
> cooking it.

Dang! Who cross you with Sheldon? Now that's a hybrid that I don't want to
see.

Janet wrote:
>
> julie wrote:
> > I don't know what you know or don't know. But I do know you're a B-Hole.
>
> I don't know what a B-hole is. Maybe they only exist in B-othell.

You mispelled Butt-othell.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 04:47:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 11:52:11 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> <long rant>
>
>>> You're posting quite frantically at the moment. Are you having a
>>> psychotic episode? Is there someone you can contact?
>>
>>Maybe sw can help her. He got his psych. degree back un the 80's. I only
>>took pysche. 101. But I am starting to think that the term "self seeding"
>>means something else in the US than it does in the UK.
>
> I think this is how they have fun. They're feeding off each other.

Seems that way. And I am not allowed to have an opinion.

In article >, says...
>
> "Janet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, says...
> >>
> >> "Janet" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >, says...
> >> >>
> >> >> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On 4/16/2016 8:24 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Okay, lady. You can't/won't grow a garden. So don't.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Jill
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I had no intention of growing potatoes, but now after reading this
> >> >> >> thread I feel obligated.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Snicker!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have a bed of Jeruselem Artichokes at the side of the house. They
> >> >> > are kept in control because they are bordered by a sidewalk and a
> >> >> > bunch
> >> >> > of brick underlayment.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Now my container garden suffered a failure. We took a hard frost
> >> >> > late
> >> >> > for us just as some peppers and other things were sprouting. Oh
> >> >> > well.
> >> >> > I have time to replant them.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We took the tomatoes in though to the laundry room on those 32F and
> >> >> > below nights and they are fine and finally we seem past worry on
> >> >> > such
> >> >> > here.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Want funny? We had some heirloom tomato gifts late last year. We
> >> >> > put
> >> >> > them at the front of the house. Some of the fruit was let fall due
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > ants and such nibbling it. We now have a baby natural seeded tomato
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > the flower garden. It's sheltering behind a begonia but I bet the
> >> >> > begonia will lose the height battle soon.
> >> >>
> >> >> You might be surprised at what you get! I did not realize that you're
> >> >> not
> >> >> supposed to do that. It can encourage diseases and somehow the seed
> >> >> can
> >> >> mutate.
> >> >
> >> > OFGS Julie, time to shut up before you reveal more stupidity.
> >> >
> >> > Janet UK
> >>
> >> http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussi...ar-self-seeded
> >>
> >> Who's stupid now?
> >
> > Still you, because you confused open pollination (natural, normal,
> > unpredictable, totally harmless) with "mutated" and think it means some
> > scary danger.
> >
> > Just how do you think "heirloom" tomatoes began?
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> Uh, no. Not a scary danger. Just that you may not get something edible. I
> don't think heirloom means self seeded. I will look it up. They are seeds
> from the original cultivars. Does not mean self seeded.

Jeesus christ.

JanetUK

In article >, says...
>
> "Janet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > [quoted text muted]
> >> like
> >> other seeds in this regard.
> >
> > Self fertilisation, cross fertilisation and hybridisation work exactly
> > the same way in other seeds, you idiot.
>
> That is *not* what I am talking about. I am specifically talking about self
> seeding. As in letting a tomato fall, rot and then replant itself.

fecrying out loud, you don't comprehend "self seeding".

the tomato plant's flower had to be fertilised to make a fruit
containing seeds so when the fruit fell and rotted the seeds in it would
grow.

To make those seeds the tomato plant either, self fertilised, or was
cross fertilised from flowers on another tomato plant.

Janet UK

On 4/17/2016 9:18 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-04-17 9:02 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:27:16 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>
>> I just saw dandelion leaves for the first time (at the farmer's
>> market) and they came in two colors! Some had green stems and others
>> were red.
>>
> You haven't seen dandelion leaves before, or you haven't seen them for
> sale in a store? It is spring here. I am guaranteed to see lots of
> dandelions within the next few days and weeks.

My next door neighbors have a lovely display of them! I have taken to
picking the yellow flowers on the ones spreading to my lawn to keep
them from going to seed. I have enough lawn problems without having
a million of those.

> Endive looks a bit like dandelion. The first time i went to France, we
> encountered a salad that we all really liked. It consisted of a piece of
> toast, some endive, a vinagrette and chevre.

Sounds delicious.

nancy

On 2016-04-18 9:17 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 4/17/2016 9:18 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-04-17 9:02 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:27:16 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>
>>> I just saw dandelion leaves for the first time (at the farmer's
>>> market) and they came in two colors! Some had green stems and others
>>> were red.
>>>
>> You haven't seen dandelion leaves before, or you haven't seen them for
>> sale in a store? It is spring here. I am guaranteed to see lots of
>> dandelions within the next few days and weeks.
>
> My next door neighbors have a lovely display of them! I have taken to
> picking the yellow flowers on the ones spreading to my lawn to keep
> them from going to seed. I have enough lawn problems without having
> a million of those.

I would recommend the Ground Hog for removing them. I bought one a few
years ago and it works great on dandelions and other weeds. It has a
series of spikes in a circle and slanted toward the centre. Place the
tool over the weed, step on the lower bar and the spikes stick into the
ground like a miniature tree spade. Twist it and pop out the weed. I
go only weed patrol daily and keep most of them under control with it.


No need for poisons, so anyone interesting in eating dandelions has a
safe and easy way to harvest them.



>

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:44:37 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> On 4/17/2016 2:27 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > On 2016-04-17 10:30 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> On 4/17/2016 9:21 AM, Janet B wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> When we were kids we had a peach tree. No matter how much you like
>> >> peaches there is a limit to how many you can eat or freeze.
>> >
>> > I don't know. My mother used to buy a lot of peaches in season and put
>> > them up for the winter. She used to can them, but later on we got a
>> > freezer and some got canned and some got frozen.
>> >
>> >> We'd bag them and accost people walking down the street.
>> >
>> > Your own peaches? I know we used to do that with apples from nearby
>> > orchards. I don't remember the farm kids wasting their hard work.
>
>
>> We were city kids with one prolific tree. We did not have a freezer so
>> only a few quarts got put up in the one in the refrigerator. Wasn't that
>> much work to fill a bag or three.
>
> People here do the same thing (different fruit). In a home garden,
>excess or fallen soft fruit can be a nuisance as it rots, ferments,
>attracts wasps who crawl around drunkenly, easy for gardeners children
>or pets to get stung.
>
> Janet UK

I like the picture of drunken wasps I always think of bees as the
drunk ones as they stagger from flower to flower. One winter we had a
huge flock of cedar waxwings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedar_waxwing
stop by a very large mountain ash tree
http://tinyurl.com/gnxqycf
in our backyard. The berries were still on the tree but had
fermented. Talk about drunk. Those birds couldn't hold onto a
utility pole wire. And raucous! You could hear them from a block
away. Lotta drunken behavior going on out there in nature
Janet US

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 11:52:11 +0100, Janet > wrote:
snip
>
> You'd think anyone who ever had A Big Book of Tomatoes would know
>that.
>
> Janet UK
>
She ate the Crayons that came with it
Janet US

On 18/04/2016 7:17 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 4/17/2016 9:18 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-04-17 9:02 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:27:16 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>
>>> I just saw dandelion leaves for the first time (at the farmer's
>>> market) and they came in two colors! Some had green stems and others
>>> were red.
>>>
>> You haven't seen dandelion leaves before, or you haven't seen them for
>> sale in a store? It is spring here. I am guaranteed to see lots of
>> dandelions within the next few days and weeks.
>
> My next door neighbors have a lovely display of them! I have taken to
> picking the yellow flowers on the ones spreading to my lawn to keep
> them from going to seed. I have enough lawn problems without having
> a million of those.
>
>> Endive looks a bit like dandelion. The first time i went to France, we
>> encountered a salad that we all really liked. It consisted of a piece of
>> toast, some endive, a vinagrette and chevre.
>
> Sounds delicious.
>
> nancy
>
Since there is no fence between my neighbours and I and their 2 young
children are often on my lawn, I pick the flowers so they don't seed and
wait until they go on vacation before I spot spray.

On 4/18/2016 1:06 AM, Je�us wrote:
> Just because some tards out there put out fear mongering

**** off and die, auztard.

On 4/18/2016 1:09 AM, Je�us wrote:
> This is another new one guys
**** off and die, auztard.

On 4/18/2016 1:11 AM, Je�us wrote:
> Were the radishes good to eat?
**** off and die, auztard.

On 4/18/2016 1:19 AM, Je�us wrote:
> How dare I say what?
**** off and die, auztard.

On 4/18/2016 3:54 AM, Janet wrote:
> Just how do you think "heirloom" tomatoes began?

Jerry made them, then he bombed the Unfree Kingdom!