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> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:12:55 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:
>
>> On 4/6/2016 3:06 PM, sf wrote:
>> > On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:55:05 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 4/6/2016 1:45 PM, sf wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:42:31 -0600, graham > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Some spices however,
>> >>>> are cheap enough in those 3"x4" packets that most supermarkets
>> >>>> carry.
>> >>>
>> >>> No idea what packets you're talking about. My stores have spices in
>> >>> bottles.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ques lastima!
>> >>
>> >> Y entonces, lo mas fino:
>> >>
>> >> https://www.instacart.com/safeway/pr...partment_id=43
>> >>
>> >> http://www.mexgrocer.com/brand-el-guapo.html
>> >
>> > Aha. Okay. Not a very wide choice in that section, mainly whatever
>> > is deemed necessary for Mexican cooking and not a wide choice there
>> > either. I'd rather buy other oregano anyway. Tried that, didn't like
>> > it.
>> >

>>
>> It's a GREAT selection!
>>
>> Where else will you find achiote, chamomile flowers, epazote, cat's
>> claw, damiana, or horehound?
>>
>> Not from McCormicks!
>>
>> There's roughly 60 different spices and products.

>
> Not hanging in blister packs where I shop!


I'll bet they are. On the Mexican food aisle.

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> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 10:18:13 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
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>> On 2016-04-06 10:07 AM, Janet B wrote:
>>
>> > I get baking soda and baking powder in the bulk section at Winco.
>> > Buying that way makes it so much easier to keep everything fresh and
>> > it is less expensive.
>> >

>>
>> I find a lot of things much cheaper in bulk. Last week I got enough
>> oregano, dried parsley and dried mint to refill my little metal
>> canisters and the total was 65 cents. They would have been at least $3
>> each to buy them in packages in the grocery store.

>
> You have to pay attention with bulk items because they might be less
> expensive, but the quality isn't as good either. Oregano is one of
> them. I'd rather pay more and have something that is fresher and has
> less debris. I rarely use fresh parsley and never use dried, so no
> comment.


Spices are not something I would buy in bulk. Exception might be something
I didn't normally use.

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> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 00:50:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
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>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
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>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:00:32 -0400, William > wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is your method of rotating foods including leftovers into the
>>>> refrigerator and out to be eaten or dumped into the garbage?
>>>>
>>> I buy food for 3 days which usually expands to 5 and try not to cook
>>> more than will be consumed by dinner the following day. At least
>>> that's the plan. Very little goes into the garbage and there are no
>>> science experiments in my refrigerator.

>>
>>That would be doable here except for the winter. Although we haven't been
>>snowed in for several years, it can happen. So I need to keep a stockpile
>>for winter. Also with things that I buy at Costco like pasta, there will
>>be
>>far more than we can eat in that length of time.
>>

> Dried pasta will last for a long, long time, (years?). No need to
> throw it out unless you are talking about leftover cooked pasta.
> Leftover naked cooked pasta is a wonderful thing. It's good hot or
> cold, salad or main dish and depending on the amount it is good for
> lunch or dinner. So many ways to dress it up
> Janet US


Dur...

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On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 12:41:23 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 08:07:34 -0600, Janet B >
>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 23:57:17 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 12:55:51 -0400, Doris Night
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:00:32 -0400, William > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >What is your method of rotating foods including leftovers into the
>> >> >refrigerator and out to be eaten or dumped into the garbage?
>> >> >
>> >> >William
>> >>
>> >> I keep a black marker in my kitchen drawer, and whenever I open
>> >> something and only use part of it, like a box of chicken stock or a
>> >> jar of pasata, I write the day I opened it on the top of the
>> >> container. Boxed stock is supposed to be used within 2 weeks of
>> >> opening, so this way you don't have to worry about remembering when is
>> >> has to be used.
>> >>
>> >Good idea! I need to get better about marking dates. I try to
>> >remember to label my baking soda and baking powder because I use them
>> >so slowly, but often forget.

>>
>> I get baking soda and baking powder in the bulk section at Winco.
>> Buying that way makes it so much easier to keep everything fresh and
>> it is less expensive.
>> Janet US

>
>No Winco here and I haven't ever seen them in a bulk section. They're
>cheap enough that I don't mind replacing them, but I need to be better
>about putting a date on the package. I was caught off guard once with
>the baking soda - everything was fresh, but whatever it was didn't
>turn out the way it should have - so I looked at the box and it was a
>year or two out of date. I've gotten much better about refreshing
>them since then.


I mentioned baking soda going out of date once and the men here
informed me that baking soda had no reason to fail. Maybe everyone
who addressed me at time is no longer here.
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> On 4/6/2016 3:17 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 1:23:15 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>
>>> Epsom salt? I can't speak for Gary. I don't happen to have any. I
>>> associate that with needing to soak tired feet in a basin. No, I've
>>> never done that.

>>
>> I have some because my doctor's PA recommended an Epsom salts
>> soak after I stepped on a nail. The container looks just
>> like an old paper half-gallon milk carton.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>

> I didn't say I've never seen it. I said I don't have any.


Old Epsom Salt will form a hard cake. So the problem there is that if you
need to use it in specific proportions, you might not be able to get the
right amount.



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On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 12:44:04 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 10:18:13 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-04-06 10:07 AM, Janet B wrote:
>>
>> > I get baking soda and baking powder in the bulk section at Winco.
>> > Buying that way makes it so much easier to keep everything fresh and
>> > it is less expensive.
>> >

>>
>> I find a lot of things much cheaper in bulk. Last week I got enough
>> oregano, dried parsley and dried mint to refill my little metal
>> canisters and the total was 65 cents. They would have been at least $3
>> each to buy them in packages in the grocery store.

>
>You have to pay attention with bulk items because they might be less
>expensive, but the quality isn't as good either. Oregano is one of
>them. I'd rather pay more and have something that is fresher and has
>less debris. I rarely use fresh parsley and never use dried, so no
>comment.


My store fills the bulk items from the same companies that provide the
packaged stuff. I'm there early in the a.m. and have seen the
refilling.
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:41:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Janet B" > wrote in message
>news
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 00:50:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"sf" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:00:32 -0400, William > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What is your method of rotating foods including leftovers into the
>>>>> refrigerator and out to be eaten or dumped into the garbage?
>>>>>
>>>> I buy food for 3 days which usually expands to 5 and try not to cook
>>>> more than will be consumed by dinner the following day. At least
>>>> that's the plan. Very little goes into the garbage and there are no
>>>> science experiments in my refrigerator.
>>>
>>>That would be doable here except for the winter. Although we haven't been
>>>snowed in for several years, it can happen. So I need to keep a stockpile
>>>for winter. Also with things that I buy at Costco like pasta, there will
>>>be
>>>far more than we can eat in that length of time.
>>>

>> Dried pasta will last for a long, long time, (years?). No need to
>> throw it out unless you are talking about leftover cooked pasta.
>> Leftover naked cooked pasta is a wonderful thing. It's good hot or
>> cold, salad or main dish and depending on the amount it is good for
>> lunch or dinner. So many ways to dress it up
>> Janet US

>
>Dur...


Apparently you meant to express something with a sneer but were unable
to formulate a thought. Now we have no idea if you mean dried pasta
needs to be thrown away quickly or if you believe there is no use for
leftover cooked pasta.
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On 4/6/2016 11:30 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/6/2016 11:20 AM, Janet B wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:16:10 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> Janet B wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 23:44:27 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:47:04 -0400, William > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I fried bacon ten days ago and stored it in a Ziplock bag in the
>>>>>> refrigerator. It still looks good and smells ok. I like to take out a
>>>>>> couple of strips and heat 30 seconds in the Microwave.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if I should store it cooked in the freezer to keep it
>>>>>> longer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I would have put that in the freezer. It's easy enough to freeze in
>>>>> 2-3 day batches or put them on a sheet pan to freeze individually and
>>>>> store in a gallon bag.
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to have to start doing that. We used to eat bacon. Now I
>>>> only use a couple of slices for something and the rest goes rancid
>>>> before I get back to it.
>>>
>>> Packaged bacon lasts a long time but once you open it, it goes bad
>>> within days. Once, I cooked about half of a package and froze the rest
>>> raw. Only about a week later, the frozen raw bacon had that off/rotten
>>> smell and taste. ugghh.
>>>
>>> Best to cook it all at once and freeze *cooked* leftover bacon.

>>
>> I don't know why, but it seems to me (and Alton Brown) that raw pork
>> easily picks up funky flavors and smells from the fridge/freezer.
>> Janet US
>>

> Not if it's well wrapped.
>
> Jill


Right, I was confused by Gary's reply, but if it isn't wrapped well it
might go bad that quickly in the freezer. I use my foodsaver all the
time for things like that. I never get any off tastes or smells even if
it is frozen raw or cooked for a year.

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On 4/6/2016 3:38 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:12:55 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:
>
>> On 4/6/2016 3:06 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:55:05 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/6/2016 1:45 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:42:31 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Some spices however,
>>>>>> are cheap enough in those 3"x4" packets that most supermarkets carry.
>>>>>
>>>>> No idea what packets you're talking about. My stores have spices in
>>>>> bottles.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ques lastima!
>>>>
>>>> Y entonces, lo mas fino:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.instacart.com/safeway/pr...partment_id=43
>>>>
>>>> http://www.mexgrocer.com/brand-el-guapo.html
>>>
>>> Aha. Okay. Not a very wide choice in that section, mainly whatever
>>> is deemed necessary for Mexican cooking and not a wide choice there
>>> either. I'd rather buy other oregano anyway. Tried that, didn't like
>>> it.
>>>

>>
>> It's a GREAT selection!
>>
>> Where else will you find achiote, chamomile flowers, epazote, cat's
>> claw, damiana, or horehound?
>>
>> Not from McCormicks!
>>
>> There's roughly 60 different spices and products.

>
> Not hanging in blister packs where I shop!
>


How can this be?

Did Frisco suddenly go all Anglo?
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On 4/6/2016 3:39 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 14:40:35 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 06/04/2016 1:45 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:42:31 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Some spices however,
>>>> are cheap enough in those 3"x4" packets that most supermarkets carry.
>>>
>>> No idea what packets you're talking about. My stores have spices in
>>> bottles.
>>>

>> It's usual in the SMs here to have a display of a dozen or so bulk
>> spices and herbs, usually the most commonly used things like cinnamon,
>> cumin, oregano, paprika etc. in large packets right next to the fancy
>> little jars.
>> Graham

>
> Not where I shop.
>


I'm starting to wonder what on earth has happened to your stores, urban
desert?

They say that is a city thing.


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On 4/6/2016 3:40 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:02:28 -0600, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/6/2016 11:29 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 10:37:50 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd have rolled it in bird seed and slapped it on a tree branch. I
>>>>> never trash any foods the critters can eat.
>>>>
>>>> I could have tossed it off my back porch.
>>>> The seagulls have radar here for tossed food.
>>>> One shows up quickly then many show up within minutes.
>>>
>>> Here the crows do that.
>>>

>> How are they on pizza?

>
> Crows eat everything, especially road kill... crows scoff up pizza
> like a guido. In fact tonight's dinner is pizza.
>


Do they eat panties?
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On 4/6/2016 4:37 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

>>>> Ques lastima!
>>>>
>>>> Y entonces, lo mas fino:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.instacart.com/safeway/pr...partment_id=43
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.mexgrocer.com/brand-el-guapo.html
>>>
>>> Aha. Okay. Not a very wide choice in that section, mainly whatever
>>> is deemed necessary for Mexican cooking and not a wide choice there
>>> either. I'd rather buy other oregano anyway. Tried that, didn't like
>>> it.
>>>

>>
>> It's a GREAT selection!
>>
>> Where else will you find achiote, chamomile flowers, epazote, cat's
>> claw, damiana, or horehound?
>>
>> Not from McCormicks!
>>
>> There's roughly 60 different spices and products.

>
> From a health food store?


Yes, Sprouts and Natural Grocers, and some Whole Foods.
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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
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>> > On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:00:32 -0400, William > wrote:
>> >
>> >> What is your method of rotating foods including leftovers into the
>> >> refrigerator and out to be eaten or dumped into the garbage?
>> >>
>> > I buy food for 3 days which usually expands to 5 and try not to cook
>> > more than will be consumed by dinner the following day. At least
>> > that's the plan. Very little goes into the garbage and there are no
>> > science experiments in my refrigerator.

>>
>> That would be doable here except for the winter. Although we haven't
>> been
>> snowed in for several years, it can happen. So I need to keep a
>> stockpile
>> for winter. Also with things that I buy at Costco like pasta, there will
>> be
>> far more than we can eat in that length of time.

>
> Julie...a question for you. You often mention "stockpiling" food.
> Just how much do you stockpile? For how many weeks or months or years?
>
> In other words, if food availability stopped right now, how long could
> you and the two others last without buying more food?


Well, my stockpile isn't full right now. Not the canned goods anyway. When
full, I figure we could probably eat a balanced and somewhat varied diet for
a month. After that, we could maybe eat for another month but meals might
start lacking in variety and might not be balanced.

I have a shelving unit in the garage for canned goods. I have can holders
on it that are designed to hold 12 cans of approx. 14 oz. each. I can
sometimes put a 13th can in the middle.

I will keep one full holder of tomato products. Chopped, stewed, sauce.
Usually more small cans of sauce and perhaps a larger can or two of sauce or
puree. Might also have a few cans of Rotel or similar.

Two full holders of assorted dried beans. But might also have a few cans of
prepared baked beans.

I don't have a holder for refried beans, but I usually keep at least 24 cans
through the winter. Regular, vegetarian, spicy jalapeno or salsa, chile
lime, sometimes black. Might have a larger can or two if I find a good
sale.

I try to keep 24 cans of assorted green/wax beans for the winter. The
approx. 14 oz. size. There might be more if I find a really good sale.
Sometimes a couple of larger cans if I find a good sale. Usually at Big
Lots. I also like to keep a few smaller cans or single serve cups but I
will only buy those on sale/clearance so I don't always have that size.

Probably 8-10 cans of the approx. 14 oz. size of peas and also corn. I
currently have two cans of baby corn and one of Mexi corn. Might sometimes
have creamed corn. And will keep smaller cans of peas and corn if I find a
good price.

Things I have less of would be zucchini, potatoes, peas and carrots,
carrots, mixed veg. If I have any of these at all it is likely no more than
two cans.

I keep 24 cans of black olives. At least one jar of green stuffed. And I
may have others. Apparently I was craving olives for a time because I think
I have about 8 jars of various kinds with pits.

Other things I may or may not have are enchilada sauce, pizza sauce, pasta
sauce, jalapenos and chiles. I can do without all of these things but I
might buy if I see a good price. But if I do have them, I wouldn't have
very many. I do currently have three jars of Marinara because that's the
way they are sold at Costco.

I also try to keep a jar or two of salsa. I currently have much more
because I kept happening onto deals where they were giving away a jar of
salsa. I try to keep an extra jar or two (depending on size) of peanut
butter. An extra jar of fruit spread. Maybe more if I find a good sale. A
yellow, honey and hot mustard. An extra ketchup. An extra jar of each kind
of pickles and relish. Also extra mayo. And now I can keep an extra tube
of tomato paste. I currently have two jars of chili sauce but I wouldn't
normally keep those. I suspect that I bought too much the last time that I
made meatloaf. Also a container of olive oil and some other oil. Currently
corn. May have extra coconut oil.

We are not big on canned fruit but I will keep a jar and/or some single
serve cups of applesauce. At least 12 servings. That can come in handy
when someone is sick. Maybe 2 cans of pineapple. And some pears. How many
pears depends on what I can find but usually at least 12 servings. Maybe a
can or two of Mandarin oranges.

Also perhaps 6 cans of tomato juice or a large jar or two. And perhaps two
cans of V8. And of course plenty of other drinks. I think I have 5 gallons
of water in large containers.

I have this cart full of drinks:

http://smile.amazon.com/LUXOR-BUSTC1...ilpage_o00_s00

Mostly bottles of water in assorted sizes. Some canned tea, sports drinks,
small bottles of juice.

I also keep cans of soda. Those I try to keep a week's worth for each of
us. Sometimes two weeks such as when I knew I was having the operation.
The other two are big coffee drinkers so drink less soda than I do. And
perhaps 4 boxes of milk.

I think that sums up what I have in the garage.

In the house, I keep a large container of dried onion, celery and bell
pepper. Also a large bag of popcorn. Some form of shelf stable cheese.
That would currently be aerosol but I also have a few cans/jars of Mexican
style cheese dip.

Since I can't eat rice, I will stock less of that. I think I have about 6
boxes of some kind of rice mix. Mexican/Spanish or like A Roni but not that
brand. One jar of Texmati (mostly used) and two med./large bags of long
grain. I think I have 8 cans left of the wild rice and perhaps 6 packages
of wild but some are very small packages. Perhaps a dozen bags/boxes of
various pasta and perhaps 10 of the smaller bags of Mexican bowties which I
like for soup. I have used most of my dried beans but I would likely keep
at least one bag of pinto, black and some form of white bean. Perhaps
others if I see a good price or something looks really appealing. 6 boxes
of macaroni and cheese. For winter I would also have at least two boxes of a
stuffing mix. And a large box of instant potatoes.

I also have perhaps 6 boxes each of beef gravy and turkey gravy. Also
turkey broth which I will likely never buy again. Nothing wrong with it but
I had bought it for me and turkey seems to be making me ill. I also keep
canned turkey. Had been 6 cans since I was having to mail order. Used to
be able to buy it in the store. Perhaps 12 cans of chicken. Currently a
can of roast beef, but might have a ham and and some Treat or Spam.
Currently have a can of Vienna sausages.

Perhaps 12 cans of various soup, 12 cans of chili. Lesser amounts of
various canned pasta. Maybe a can of stew. Really depends on what sales I
find and what the others are eating. One was big into canned ravioli but
then stopped eating it. I buy powdered broth now so keep one extra not
opened jar of beef and chicken.

Will usually keep a package of par baked bread.

I think that pretty much sums it up. Might have a few other things if I see
good deals.


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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
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> On 2016-04-06 10:27 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:00:32 -0400, William > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What is your method of rotating foods including leftovers into the
>>>>> refrigerator and out to be eaten or dumped into the garbage?
>>>>>
>>>> I buy food for 3 days which usually expands to 5 and try not to cook
>>>> more than will be consumed by dinner the following day. At least
>>>> that's the plan. Very little goes into the garbage and there are no
>>>> science experiments in my refrigerator.
>>>
>>> That would be doable here except for the winter. Although we haven't
>>> been
>>> snowed in for several years, it can happen. So I need to keep a
>>> stockpile
>>> for winter. Also with things that I buy at Costco like pasta, there
>>> will be
>>> far more than we can eat in that length of time.

>>
>> Julie...a question for you. You often mention "stockpiling" food.
>> Just how much do you stockpile? For how many weeks or months or years?
>>
>> In other words, if food availability stopped right now, how long could
>> you and the two others last without buying more food?
>>

>
>
> It sort of makes you wonder why she was worried about her husband and
> daughter being incapable of doing a little shopping while she was laid up
> with a foot problem.


I wasn't worried. I just won't send them. And I don't know about you, but
I like to eat fresh food. At least sometimes. You know... Stuff like
green salad. Can't stockpile that!

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Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:00:32 -0400, William > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> What is your method of rotating foods including leftovers into the
>>> >> refrigerator and out to be eaten or dumped into the garbage?
>>> >>
>>> > I buy food for 3 days which usually expands to 5 and try not to cook
>>> > more than will be consumed by dinner the following day. At least
>>> > that's the plan. Very little goes into the garbage and there are no
>>> > science experiments in my refrigerator.
>>>
>>> That would be doable here except for the winter. Although we
>>> haven't been
>>> snowed in for several years, it can happen. So I need to keep a
>>> stockpile
>>> for winter. Also with things that I buy at Costco like pasta, there
>>> will be
>>> far more than we can eat in that length of time.

>>
>> Julie...a question for you. You often mention "stockpiling" food.
>> Just how much do you stockpile? For how many weeks or months or years?
>>
>> In other words, if food availability stopped right now, how long could
>> you and the two others last without buying more food?

>
> Well, my stockpile isn't full right now. Not the canned goods
> anyway. When full, I figure we could probably eat a balanced and
> somewhat varied diet for a month. After that, we could maybe eat for
> another month but meals might start lacking in variety and might not
> be balanced.
>
> I have a shelving unit in the garage for canned goods. I have can
> holders on it that are designed to hold 12 cans of approx. 14 oz.
> each. I can sometimes put a 13th can in the middle.
>
> I will keep one full holder of tomato products. Chopped, stewed,
> sauce. Usually more small cans of sauce and perhaps a larger can or
> two of sauce or puree. Might also have a few cans of Rotel or similar.
>
> Two full holders of assorted dried beans. But might also have a few
> cans of prepared baked beans.
>
> I don't have a holder for refried beans, but I usually keep at least
> 24 cans through the winter. Regular, vegetarian, spicy jalapeno or
> salsa, chile lime, sometimes black. Might have a larger can or two if
> I find a good sale.
>
> I try to keep 24 cans of assorted green/wax beans for the winter. The
> approx. 14 oz. size. There might be more if I find a really good
> sale. Sometimes a couple of larger cans if I find a good sale.
> Usually at Big Lots. I also like to keep a few smaller cans or single
> serve cups but I will only buy those on sale/clearance so I don't
> always have that size.
>
> Probably 8-10 cans of the approx. 14 oz. size of peas and also corn.
> I currently have two cans of baby corn and one of Mexi corn. Might
> sometimes have creamed corn. And will keep smaller cans of peas and
> corn if I find a good price.
>
> Things I have less of would be zucchini, potatoes, peas and carrots,
> carrots, mixed veg. If I have any of these at all it is likely no
> more than two cans.
>
> I keep 24 cans of black olives. At least one jar of green stuffed.
> And I may have others. Apparently I was craving olives for a time
> because I think I have about 8 jars of various kinds with pits.
>
> Other things I may or may not have are enchilada sauce, pizza sauce,
> pasta sauce, jalapenos and chiles. I can do without all of these
> things but I might buy if I see a good price. But if I do have them,
> I wouldn't have very many. I do currently have three jars of Marinara
> because that's the way they are sold at Costco.
>
> I also try to keep a jar or two of salsa. I currently have much more
> because I kept happening onto deals where they were giving away a jar
> of salsa. I try to keep an extra jar or two (depending on size) of
> peanut butter. An extra jar of fruit spread. Maybe more if I find a
> good sale. A yellow, honey and hot mustard. An extra ketchup. An
> extra jar of each kind of pickles and relish. Also extra mayo. And
> now I can keep an extra tube of tomato paste. I currently have two
> jars of chili sauce but I wouldn't normally keep those. I suspect
> that I bought too much the last time that I made meatloaf. Also a
> container of olive oil and some other oil. Currently corn. May have
> extra coconut oil.
>
> We are not big on canned fruit but I will keep a jar and/or some
> single serve cups of applesauce. At least 12 servings. That can come
> in handy when someone is sick. Maybe 2 cans of pineapple. And some
> pears. How many pears depends on what I can find but usually at least
> 12 servings. Maybe a can or two of Mandarin oranges.
>
> Also perhaps 6 cans of tomato juice or a large jar or two. And
> perhaps two cans of V8. And of course plenty of other drinks. I
> think I have 5 gallons of water in large containers.
>
> I have this cart full of drinks:
>
> http://smile.amazon.com/LUXOR-BUSTC1...ilpage_o00_s00
>
>
> Mostly bottles of water in assorted sizes. Some canned tea, sports
> drinks, small bottles of juice.
>
> I also keep cans of soda. Those I try to keep a week's worth for each
> of us. Sometimes two weeks such as when I knew I was having the
> operation. The other two are big coffee drinkers so drink less soda
> than I do. And perhaps 4 boxes of milk.
>
> I think that sums up what I have in the garage.
>
> In the house, I keep a large container of dried onion, celery and bell
> pepper. Also a large bag of popcorn. Some form of shelf stable
> cheese. That would currently be aerosol but I also have a few
> cans/jars of Mexican style cheese dip.
>
> Since I can't eat rice, I will stock less of that. I think I have
> about 6 boxes of some kind of rice mix. Mexican/Spanish or like A
> Roni but not that brand. One jar of Texmati (mostly used) and two
> med./large bags of long grain. I think I have 8 cans left of the wild
> rice and perhaps 6 packages of wild but some are very small packages.
> Perhaps a dozen bags/boxes of various pasta and perhaps 10 of the
> smaller bags of Mexican bowties which I like for soup. I have used
> most of my dried beans but I would likely keep at least one bag of
> pinto, black and some form of white bean. Perhaps others if I see a
> good price or something looks really appealing. 6 boxes of macaroni
> and cheese. For winter I would also have at least two boxes of a
> stuffing mix. And a large box of instant potatoes.
>
> I also have perhaps 6 boxes each of beef gravy and turkey gravy. Also
> turkey broth which I will likely never buy again. Nothing wrong with
> it but I had bought it for me and turkey seems to be making me ill. I
> also keep canned turkey. Had been 6 cans since I was having to mail
> order. Used to be able to buy it in the store. Perhaps 12 cans of
> chicken. Currently a can of roast beef, but might have a ham and and
> some Treat or Spam. Currently have a can of Vienna sausages.
>
> Perhaps 12 cans of various soup, 12 cans of chili. Lesser amounts of
> various canned pasta. Maybe a can of stew. Really depends on what
> sales I find and what the others are eating. One was big into canned
> ravioli but then stopped eating it. I buy powdered broth now so keep
> one extra not opened jar of beef and chicken.
>
> Will usually keep a package of par baked bread.
>
> I think that pretty much sums it up. Might have a few other things if
> I see good deals.
>
>


Soda has a relatively short shelf life. A Diet Coke, for example, will
be tasteless two months after the expiration date.



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> On 4/6/2016 3:38 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:12:55 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/6/2016 3:06 PM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:55:05 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/6/2016 1:45 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:42:31 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some spices however,
>>>>>>> are cheap enough in those 3"x4" packets that most supermarkets
>>>>>>> carry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No idea what packets you're talking about. My stores have spices in
>>>>>> bottles.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ques lastima!
>>>>>
>>>>> Y entonces, lo mas fino:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.instacart.com/safeway/pr...partment_id=43
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.mexgrocer.com/brand-el-guapo.html
>>>>
>>>> Aha. Okay. Not a very wide choice in that section, mainly whatever
>>>> is deemed necessary for Mexican cooking and not a wide choice there
>>>> either. I'd rather buy other oregano anyway. Tried that, didn't like
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's a GREAT selection!
>>>
>>> Where else will you find achiote, chamomile flowers, epazote, cat's
>>> claw, damiana, or horehound?
>>>
>>> Not from McCormicks!
>>>
>>> There's roughly 60 different spices and products.

>>
>> Not hanging in blister packs where I shop!
>>

>
> How can this be?
>
> Did Frisco suddenly go all Anglo?


She didn't think they had Boca Burgers either.

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> cshenk wrote:
> >
> > Many of thse dates are actually 'best used by' (for taste or a minor
> > drop in nutrition) and many are artificial. Grin, my salt has an
> > expiration on it. Really?

>
> OMG...how funny is that? I just looked and you are correct.
> My salt was created millions of years ago and it expires
> in just 4 years from now. lol.


Yup! My sea salt expired in 2005. Really? It big crystals with
nothing added even to make it pour neatly (you put in a fricking
grinder!)

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On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:44:28 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 4/6/2016 3:17 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 1:23:15 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>
>>>> Epsom salt? I can't speak for Gary. I don't happen to have any. I
>>>> associate that with needing to soak tired feet in a basin. No, I've
>>>> never done that.
>>>
>>> I have some because my doctor's PA recommended an Epsom salts
>>> soak after I stepped on a nail. The container looks just
>>> like an old paper half-gallon milk carton.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>

>> I didn't say I've never seen it. I said I don't have any.

>
>Old Epsom Salt will form a hard cake. So the problem there is that if you
>need to use it in specific proportions, you might not be able to get the
>right amount.


I *love* an Epsom salt bath. Very soothing after exercising or doing
other strenuous things. The magnesium is good for muscle cramps. I buy
it in a 4 kilogram container, and use that to fill up a pretty glass
cannister in my bathroom.

I've never heard of needing to use it in specific proportions - I
generally throw about 2 cups of the stuff into the tub before filling
it up.

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On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 17:36:00 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:

> On 4/6/2016 3:38 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:12:55 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/6/2016 3:06 PM, sf wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:55:05 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 4/6/2016 1:45 PM, sf wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:42:31 -0600, graham > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Some spices however,
> >>>>>> are cheap enough in those 3"x4" packets that most supermarkets carry.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No idea what packets you're talking about. My stores have spices in
> >>>>> bottles.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ques lastima!
> >>>>
> >>>> Y entonces, lo mas fino:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.instacart.com/safeway/pr...partment_id=43
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.mexgrocer.com/brand-el-guapo.html
> >>>
> >>> Aha. Okay. Not a very wide choice in that section, mainly whatever
> >>> is deemed necessary for Mexican cooking and not a wide choice there
> >>> either. I'd rather buy other oregano anyway. Tried that, didn't like
> >>> it.
> >>>
> >>
> >> It's a GREAT selection!
> >>
> >> Where else will you find achiote, chamomile flowers, epazote, cat's
> >> claw, damiana, or horehound?
> >>
> >> Not from McCormicks!
> >>
> >> There's roughly 60 different spices and products.

> >
> > Not hanging in blister packs where I shop!
> >

>
> How can this be?
>
> Did Frisco suddenly go all Anglo?


It's more Asian than Hispanic where I shop. I had great hopes when
Safeway merged with Albertson's, because I was able to buy a 5lb bag
of premade masa during the Christmas season - but they were just
feeling out the customer base and it turns out that not many Asians
make tamales.

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"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 17:26:01 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-04-06 10:27 AM, Gary wrote:
>> > Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:00:32 -0400, William > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> What is your method of rotating foods including leftovers into the
>> >>>> refrigerator and out to be eaten or dumped into the garbage?
>> >>>>
>> >>> I buy food for 3 days which usually expands to 5 and try not to cook
>> >>> more than will be consumed by dinner the following day. At least
>> >>> that's the plan. Very little goes into the garbage and there are no
>> >>> science experiments in my refrigerator.
>> >>
>> >> That would be doable here except for the winter. Although we haven't
>> >> been
>> >> snowed in for several years, it can happen. So I need to keep a
>> >> stockpile
>> >> for winter. Also with things that I buy at Costco like pasta, there
>> >> will be
>> >> far more than we can eat in that length of time.
>> >
>> > Julie...a question for you. You often mention "stockpiling" food.
>> > Just how much do you stockpile? For how many weeks or months or years?
>> >
>> > In other words, if food availability stopped right now, how long could
>> > you and the two others last without buying more food?
>> >

>>
>>
>> It sort of makes you wonder why she was worried about her husband and
>> daughter being incapable of doing a little shopping while she was laid
>> up with a foot problem.

>
> Ha.


I wasn't worried. I tend not to worry about things. There is no point.



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"Janet B" > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:41:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 00:50:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"sf" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:00:32 -0400, William > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What is your method of rotating foods including leftovers into the
>>>>>> refrigerator and out to be eaten or dumped into the garbage?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I buy food for 3 days which usually expands to 5 and try not to cook
>>>>> more than will be consumed by dinner the following day. At least
>>>>> that's the plan. Very little goes into the garbage and there are no
>>>>> science experiments in my refrigerator.
>>>>
>>>>That would be doable here except for the winter. Although we haven't
>>>>been
>>>>snowed in for several years, it can happen. So I need to keep a
>>>>stockpile
>>>>for winter. Also with things that I buy at Costco like pasta, there
>>>>will
>>>>be
>>>>far more than we can eat in that length of time.
>>>>
>>> Dried pasta will last for a long, long time, (years?). No need to
>>> throw it out unless you are talking about leftover cooked pasta.
>>> Leftover naked cooked pasta is a wonderful thing. It's good hot or
>>> cold, salad or main dish and depending on the amount it is good for
>>> lunch or dinner. So many ways to dress it up
>>> Janet US

>>
>>Dur...

>
> Apparently you meant to express something with a sneer but were unable
> to formulate a thought. Now we have no idea if you mean dried pasta
> needs to be thrown away quickly or if you believe there is no use for
> leftover cooked pasta.
> Janet US


I meant that you were pointing out the obvious.

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"Alex" > wrote in message
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> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:00:32 -0400, William > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> What is your method of rotating foods including leftovers into the
>>>> >> refrigerator and out to be eaten or dumped into the garbage?
>>>> >>
>>>> > I buy food for 3 days which usually expands to 5 and try not to cook
>>>> > more than will be consumed by dinner the following day. At least
>>>> > that's the plan. Very little goes into the garbage and there are no
>>>> > science experiments in my refrigerator.
>>>>
>>>> That would be doable here except for the winter. Although we haven't
>>>> been
>>>> snowed in for several years, it can happen. So I need to keep a
>>>> stockpile
>>>> for winter. Also with things that I buy at Costco like pasta, there
>>>> will be
>>>> far more than we can eat in that length of time.
>>>
>>> Julie...a question for you. You often mention "stockpiling" food.
>>> Just how much do you stockpile? For how many weeks or months or years?
>>>
>>> In other words, if food availability stopped right now, how long could
>>> you and the two others last without buying more food?

>>
>> Well, my stockpile isn't full right now. Not the canned goods anyway.
>> When full, I figure we could probably eat a balanced and somewhat varied
>> diet for a month. After that, we could maybe eat for another month but
>> meals might start lacking in variety and might not be balanced.
>>
>> I have a shelving unit in the garage for canned goods. I have can
>> holders on it that are designed to hold 12 cans of approx. 14 oz. each.
>> I can sometimes put a 13th can in the middle.
>>
>> I will keep one full holder of tomato products. Chopped, stewed, sauce.
>> Usually more small cans of sauce and perhaps a larger can or two of sauce
>> or puree. Might also have a few cans of Rotel or similar.
>>
>> Two full holders of assorted dried beans. But might also have a few cans
>> of prepared baked beans.
>>
>> I don't have a holder for refried beans, but I usually keep at least 24
>> cans through the winter. Regular, vegetarian, spicy jalapeno or salsa,
>> chile lime, sometimes black. Might have a larger can or two if I find a
>> good sale.
>>
>> I try to keep 24 cans of assorted green/wax beans for the winter. The
>> approx. 14 oz. size. There might be more if I find a really good sale.
>> Sometimes a couple of larger cans if I find a good sale. Usually at Big
>> Lots. I also like to keep a few smaller cans or single serve cups but I
>> will only buy those on sale/clearance so I don't always have that size.
>>
>> Probably 8-10 cans of the approx. 14 oz. size of peas and also corn. I
>> currently have two cans of baby corn and one of Mexi corn. Might
>> sometimes have creamed corn. And will keep smaller cans of peas and corn
>> if I find a good price.
>>
>> Things I have less of would be zucchini, potatoes, peas and carrots,
>> carrots, mixed veg. If I have any of these at all it is likely no more
>> than two cans.
>>
>> I keep 24 cans of black olives. At least one jar of green stuffed. And
>> I may have others. Apparently I was craving olives for a time because I
>> think I have about 8 jars of various kinds with pits.
>>
>> Other things I may or may not have are enchilada sauce, pizza sauce,
>> pasta sauce, jalapenos and chiles. I can do without all of these things
>> but I might buy if I see a good price. But if I do have them, I wouldn't
>> have very many. I do currently have three jars of Marinara because
>> that's the way they are sold at Costco.
>>
>> I also try to keep a jar or two of salsa. I currently have much more
>> because I kept happening onto deals where they were giving away a jar of
>> salsa. I try to keep an extra jar or two (depending on size) of peanut
>> butter. An extra jar of fruit spread. Maybe more if I find a good sale.
>> A yellow, honey and hot mustard. An extra ketchup. An extra jar of each
>> kind of pickles and relish. Also extra mayo. And now I can keep an extra
>> tube of tomato paste. I currently have two jars of chili sauce but I
>> wouldn't normally keep those. I suspect that I bought too much the last
>> time that I made meatloaf. Also a container of olive oil and some other
>> oil. Currently corn. May have extra coconut oil.
>>
>> We are not big on canned fruit but I will keep a jar and/or some single
>> serve cups of applesauce. At least 12 servings. That can come in handy
>> when someone is sick. Maybe 2 cans of pineapple. And some pears. How
>> many pears depends on what I can find but usually at least 12 servings.
>> Maybe a can or two of Mandarin oranges.
>>
>> Also perhaps 6 cans of tomato juice or a large jar or two. And perhaps
>> two cans of V8. And of course plenty of other drinks. I think I have 5
>> gallons of water in large containers.
>>
>> I have this cart full of drinks:
>>
>> http://smile.amazon.com/LUXOR-BUSTC1...ilpage_o00_s00
>>
>> Mostly bottles of water in assorted sizes. Some canned tea, sports
>> drinks, small bottles of juice.
>>
>> I also keep cans of soda. Those I try to keep a week's worth for each of
>> us. Sometimes two weeks such as when I knew I was having the operation.
>> The other two are big coffee drinkers so drink less soda than I do. And
>> perhaps 4 boxes of milk.
>>
>> I think that sums up what I have in the garage.
>>
>> In the house, I keep a large container of dried onion, celery and bell
>> pepper. Also a large bag of popcorn. Some form of shelf stable cheese.
>> That would currently be aerosol but I also have a few cans/jars of
>> Mexican style cheese dip.
>>
>> Since I can't eat rice, I will stock less of that. I think I have about
>> 6 boxes of some kind of rice mix. Mexican/Spanish or like A Roni but not
>> that brand. One jar of Texmati (mostly used) and two med./large bags of
>> long grain. I think I have 8 cans left of the wild rice and perhaps 6
>> packages of wild but some are very small packages. Perhaps a dozen
>> bags/boxes of various pasta and perhaps 10 of the smaller bags of Mexican
>> bowties which I like for soup. I have used most of my dried beans but I
>> would likely keep at least one bag of pinto, black and some form of white
>> bean. Perhaps others if I see a good price or something looks really
>> appealing. 6 boxes of macaroni and cheese. For winter I would also have
>> at least two boxes of a stuffing mix. And a large box of instant
>> potatoes.
>>
>> I also have perhaps 6 boxes each of beef gravy and turkey gravy. Also
>> turkey broth which I will likely never buy again. Nothing wrong with it
>> but I had bought it for me and turkey seems to be making me ill. I also
>> keep canned turkey. Had been 6 cans since I was having to mail order.
>> Used to be able to buy it in the store. Perhaps 12 cans of chicken.
>> Currently a can of roast beef, but might have a ham and and some Treat or
>> Spam. Currently have a can of Vienna sausages.
>>
>> Perhaps 12 cans of various soup, 12 cans of chili. Lesser amounts of
>> various canned pasta. Maybe a can of stew. Really depends on what sales
>> I find and what the others are eating. One was big into canned ravioli
>> but then stopped eating it. I buy powdered broth now so keep one extra
>> not opened jar of beef and chicken.
>>
>> Will usually keep a package of par baked bread.
>>
>> I think that pretty much sums it up. Might have a few other things if I
>> see good deals.
>>
>>

>
> Soda has a relatively short shelf life. A Diet Coke, for example, will be
> tasteless two months after the expiration date.


Yep. That and storage space is why I generally don't buy it for more than
two weeks at a time.

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"Doris Night" > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:44:28 -0700, "Julie Bove"
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>
>>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
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>>> On 4/6/2016 3:17 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 1:23:15 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Epsom salt? I can't speak for Gary. I don't happen to have any. I
>>>>> associate that with needing to soak tired feet in a basin. No, I've
>>>>> never done that.
>>>>
>>>> I have some because my doctor's PA recommended an Epsom salts
>>>> soak after I stepped on a nail. The container looks just
>>>> like an old paper half-gallon milk carton.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> I didn't say I've never seen it. I said I don't have any.

>>
>>Old Epsom Salt will form a hard cake. So the problem there is that if you
>>need to use it in specific proportions, you might not be able to get the
>>right amount.

>
> I *love* an Epsom salt bath. Very soothing after exercising or doing
> other strenuous things. The magnesium is good for muscle cramps. I buy
> it in a 4 kilogram container, and use that to fill up a pretty glass
> cannister in my bathroom.
>
> I've never heard of needing to use it in specific proportions - I
> generally throw about 2 cups of the stuff into the tub before filling
> it up.


Because I am diabetic, I was given specific proportions for soaking my feet.
I was to use barely warm water and much less salt than one might normally
use. Also a very brief soak.

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On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 00:09:12 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Janet B" > wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:41:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
>>>news >>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 00:50:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"sf" > wrote in message
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>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:00:32 -0400, William > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is your method of rotating foods including leftovers into the
>>>>>>> refrigerator and out to be eaten or dumped into the garbage?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I buy food for 3 days which usually expands to 5 and try not to cook
>>>>>> more than will be consumed by dinner the following day. At least
>>>>>> that's the plan. Very little goes into the garbage and there are no
>>>>>> science experiments in my refrigerator.
>>>>>
>>>>>That would be doable here except for the winter. Although we haven't
>>>>>been
>>>>>snowed in for several years, it can happen. So I need to keep a
>>>>>stockpile
>>>>>for winter. Also with things that I buy at Costco like pasta, there
>>>>>will
>>>>>be
>>>>>far more than we can eat in that length of time.
>>>>>
>>>> Dried pasta will last for a long, long time, (years?). No need to
>>>> throw it out unless you are talking about leftover cooked pasta.
>>>> Leftover naked cooked pasta is a wonderful thing. It's good hot or
>>>> cold, salad or main dish and depending on the amount it is good for
>>>> lunch or dinner. So many ways to dress it up
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>>Dur...

>>
>> Apparently you meant to express something with a sneer but were unable
>> to formulate a thought. Now we have no idea if you mean dried pasta
>> needs to be thrown away quickly or if you believe there is no use for
>> leftover cooked pasta.
>> Janet US

>
>I meant that you were pointing out the obvious.


didn't seem obvious to me when you said "I need to keep a
>>>>>stockpile
>>>>>for winter. Also with things that I buy at Costco like pasta, there
>>>>>will
>>>>>be
>>>>>far more than we can eat in that length of time."

You appear to be saying
that either that the amount of dry pasta from Costco is beyond your
family ability to eat before it goes bad or that your family can't eat
the cooked pasta before it goes bad.
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On 4/6/2016 6:58 PM, Janet B wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:41:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
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>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 00:50:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That would be doable here except for the winter. Although we haven't been
>>>> snowed in for several years, it can happen. So I need to keep a stockpile
>>>> for winter. Also with things that I buy at Costco like pasta, there will
>>>> be
>>>> far more than we can eat in that length of time.
>>>>
>>> Dried pasta will last for a long, long time, (years?). No need to
>>> throw it out unless you are talking about leftover cooked pasta.
>>> Leftover naked cooked pasta is a wonderful thing. It's good hot or
>>> cold, salad or main dish and depending on the amount it is good for
>>> lunch or dinner. So many ways to dress it up
>>> Janet US

>>
>> Dur...

>
> Apparently you meant to express something with a sneer but were unable
> to formulate a thought. Now we have no idea if you mean dried pasta
> needs to be thrown away quickly or if you believe there is no use for
> leftover cooked pasta.
> Janet US
>

She completely ignored your dried pasta reference. If she buys large
amounts of dried pasta (which is what I inferred from the Costco
reference) it certainly doesn't need to be tossed out based on some
random date on the box or bag. Who knows if she was ambling off in her
visions of Costco *cooked* pasta.

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On 2016-04-07 11:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/6/2016 6:58 PM, Janet B wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:41:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>

> She completely ignored your dried pasta reference. If she buys large
> amounts of dried pasta (which is what I inferred from the Costco
> reference) it certainly doesn't need to be tossed out based on some
> random date on the box or bag. Who knows if she was ambling off in her
> visions of Costco *cooked* pasta.


Don't forget that she is the one who said that she had to throw out the
contents of her freezer because the power went out for a few hours.

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On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 13:22:09 -0400, Dave Smith
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>On 2016-04-07 11:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 4/6/2016 6:58 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:41:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>

>> She completely ignored your dried pasta reference. If she buys large
>> amounts of dried pasta (which is what I inferred from the Costco
>> reference) it certainly doesn't need to be tossed out based on some
>> random date on the box or bag. Who knows if she was ambling off in her
>> visions of Costco *cooked* pasta.

>
>Don't forget that she is the one who said that she had to throw out the
>contents of her freezer because the power went out for a few hours.


yes. Given that history, I posted info that I thought would be
helpful.
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On 4/6/2016 11:43 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 17:36:00 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:
>
>> On 4/6/2016 3:38 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:12:55 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/6/2016 3:06 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:55:05 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/6/2016 1:45 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:42:31 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some spices however,
>>>>>>>> are cheap enough in those 3"x4" packets that most supermarkets carry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No idea what packets you're talking about. My stores have spices in
>>>>>>> bottles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ques lastima!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Y entonces, lo mas fino:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.instacart.com/safeway/pr...partment_id=43
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.mexgrocer.com/brand-el-guapo.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Aha. Okay. Not a very wide choice in that section, mainly whatever
>>>>> is deemed necessary for Mexican cooking and not a wide choice there
>>>>> either. I'd rather buy other oregano anyway. Tried that, didn't like
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's a GREAT selection!
>>>>
>>>> Where else will you find achiote, chamomile flowers, epazote, cat's
>>>> claw, damiana, or horehound?
>>>>
>>>> Not from McCormicks!
>>>>
>>>> There's roughly 60 different spices and products.
>>>
>>> Not hanging in blister packs where I shop!
>>>

>>
>> How can this be?
>>
>> Did Frisco suddenly go all Anglo?

>
> It's more Asian than Hispanic where I shop.


Well that splains it!

> I had great hopes when
> Safeway merged with Albertson's, because I was able to buy a 5lb bag
> of premade masa during the Christmas season - but they were just
> feeling out the customer base and it turns out that not many Asians
> make tamales.


Logical.

I still await the dreaded hybrid Asian tamale - maybe it's a cross
between a steam bun and a masa delivery mechanism, hard to say, but you
know it's coming...

They're not up your way, but wow what a place to shop!

https://www.losaltosranchmarket.com/



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> On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 12:31:04 -0700, sf > wrote:
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> > On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 09:20:33 -0600, Janet B >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I don't know why, but it seems to me (and Alton Brown) that raw

> pork >> easily picks up funky flavors and smells from the
> fridge/freezer.
> >
> > I don't own a vacuum seal machine. If you do, have you tried that
> > method?

>
> no I don't own one either. It might just be that my nose is more
> sensitive. I have been successful double or triple wrapping with
> cling film and overwrapping with foil or putting the packages inside a
> over bag.
> Janet US


Vacuum seal machines of reasonable quality are about 150$ but the bags
are very cheap in bulk at amazon.com. I wouldnt use them for something
I would freeze for just 4 weeks or so, but when I hit a good sale, I
might get 4 months worth at a time for the spare freezer and then, it's
vacuum seal time.

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> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:44:28 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On 4/6/2016 3:17 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 1:23:15 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Epsom salt? I can't speak for Gary. I don't happen to
> > > > > > have any. I associate that with needing to soak tired feet
> > > > > > in a basin. No, I've never done that.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have some because my doctor's PA recommended an Epsom salts
> > > > > soak after I stepped on a nail. The container looks just
> > > > > like an old paper half-gallon milk carton.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > > > >
> > > > I didn't say I've never seen it. I said I don't have any.
> > >
> > > Old Epsom Salt will form a hard cake. So the problem there is
> > > that if you need to use it in specific proportions, you might not
> > > be able to get the right amount.

> >
> > I love an Epsom salt bath. Very soothing after exercising or doing
> > other strenuous things. The magnesium is good for muscle cramps. I
> > buy it in a 4 kilogram container, and use that to fill up a pretty
> > glass cannister in my bathroom.
> >
> > I've never heard of needing to use it in specific proportions - I
> > generally throw about 2 cups of the stuff into the tub before
> > filling it up.

>
> Because I am diabetic, I was given specific proportions for soaking
> my feet. I was to use barely warm water and much less salt than one
> might normally use. Also a very brief soak.


You need to fire that person who advised something silly like that. The
only thing you have to watch for is neural apathy (lack of feeling) and
the water too hot so you burn yourself.

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On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 15:22:29 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:

> They're not up your way, but wow what a place to shop!
>
> https://www.losaltosranchmarket.com/
>
>

My DD has a wonderful Mexican market not too far away from her house
that I try hit every time we're down there. Such a selection! It's
the kind of place where you tell the butcher how much masa you want
when you arrive and they make it to order while you shop. If you're
there at the right time, you can even watch them cutting the avocados
for guacamole. Considering the price of a whole avocado, they barely
tack any labor & profit onto it. I must interject here that although
they do have an impressive array of spices in blister packs (focusing
on various ground chiles and a few basic herb & spices), they stock
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On 4/7/2016 5:43 PM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 15:22:29 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:
>
>> They're not up your way, but wow what a place to shop!
>>
>> https://www.losaltosranchmarket.com/
>>
>>

> My DD has a wonderful Mexican market not too far away from her house
> that I try hit every time we're down there. Such a selection! It's
> the kind of place where you tell the butcher how much masa you want
> when you arrive and they make it to order while you shop. If you're
> there at the right time, you can even watch them cutting the avocados
> for guacamole. Considering the price of a whole avocado, they barely
> tack any labor & profit onto it. I must interject here that although
> they do have an impressive array of spices in blister packs (focusing
> on various ground chiles and a few basic herb & spices), they stock
> nowhere near the 60 you mentioned.
>


LOl, well, my estimate was a tad high, I think it was closer to 50.

But a good Mexican market is priceless, the array of meat cuts that your
"normal" market might never stock is the clincher.

And oh the in-store restaurants, I think maybe they have not figured out
that stuffed customers buy less ;-)

And fresh masa - aw shoot, I'm getting hungry as I key this...


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On 4/7/2016 1:22 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-04-07 11:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 4/6/2016 6:58 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:41:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>

>> She completely ignored your dried pasta reference. If she buys large
>> amounts of dried pasta (which is what I inferred from the Costco
>> reference) it certainly doesn't need to be tossed out based on some
>> random date on the box or bag. Who knows if she was ambling off in her
>> visions of Costco *cooked* pasta.

>
> Don't forget that she is the one who said that she had to throw out the
> contents of her freezer because the power went out for a few hours.
>

Tongue-in-cheek: I thought *everyone* knew the contents of the freezer
will spoil if the power is out for a few hours! Throw it away!

Nope, not even after 24 hours or more, assuming the freezer is at proper
temp and you aren't opening the freezer door constantly. Meanwhile,
you'd better be contacting the power company. They can usually tell you
why there is an outage and give estimates as to when it will be restored.

She'll probably say she didn't mean dried pasta, but again Costco and
large amounts seem to go hand in hand. It would not surprise me if she
threw away dried pasta based on some random date. She's really big into
the expiration date thing.

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On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 18:11:12 -0600, carnal asada > wrote:

>
> LOl, well, my estimate was a tad high, I think it was closer to 50.


Forgiven.
>
> But a good Mexican market is priceless, the array of meat cuts that your
> "normal" market might never stock is the clincher.


I have to hold back, because (I think you've noticed) I don't have
freezer space for that.
>
> And oh the in-store restaurants, I think maybe they have not figured out
> that stuffed customers buy less ;-)


No in store restaurants here, except for the sections where you'd sit
to eat deli food and no Mexican grocery store in this area I can think
of has anything like that.
>
> And fresh masa - aw shoot, I'm getting hungry as I key this...


Me too! Have I ever mentioned cup tamales? They used to be very San
Francisco, but are virtually unheard of now. I call them the lazy
man's tamale, and (IMO) they are every bit as tasty as the real thing.
I make mine in a regular sized cupcake pan, which makes just enough
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"Janet B" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 00:09:12 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:41:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Janet B" > wrote in message
>>>>news >>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 00:50:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"sf" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news:geb9gblrnq014st25ror2mnfng6h33s1l3@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:00:32 -0400, William > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is your method of rotating foods including leftovers into the
>>>>>>>> refrigerator and out to be eaten or dumped into the garbage?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I buy food for 3 days which usually expands to 5 and try not to cook
>>>>>>> more than will be consumed by dinner the following day. At least
>>>>>>> that's the plan. Very little goes into the garbage and there are no
>>>>>>> science experiments in my refrigerator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That would be doable here except for the winter. Although we haven't
>>>>>>been
>>>>>>snowed in for several years, it can happen. So I need to keep a
>>>>>>stockpile
>>>>>>for winter. Also with things that I buy at Costco like pasta, there
>>>>>>will
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>far more than we can eat in that length of time.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Dried pasta will last for a long, long time, (years?). No need to
>>>>> throw it out unless you are talking about leftover cooked pasta.
>>>>> Leftover naked cooked pasta is a wonderful thing. It's good hot or
>>>>> cold, salad or main dish and depending on the amount it is good for
>>>>> lunch or dinner. So many ways to dress it up
>>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>>>Dur...
>>>
>>> Apparently you meant to express something with a sneer but were unable
>>> to formulate a thought. Now we have no idea if you mean dried pasta
>>> needs to be thrown away quickly or if you believe there is no use for
>>> leftover cooked pasta.
>>> Janet US

>>
>>I meant that you were pointing out the obvious.

>
> didn't seem obvious to me when you said "I need to keep a
>>>>>>stockpile
>>>>>>for winter. Also with things that I buy at Costco like pasta, there
>>>>>>will
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>far more than we can eat in that length of time."

> You appear to be saying
> that either that the amount of dry pasta from Costco is beyond your
> family ability to eat before it goes bad or that your family can't eat
> the cooked pasta before it goes bad.
> Janet US


Apparently you missed where I was specifically replying to sf's remark about
buying food for three days at a time. And pasta would be but one example of
things you can buy at Costco that would come in quantities larger than that.
Unless of course, you have a very large family. For us, half a bag of
Costco pasta is a meal plus perhaps one serving leftover.

What I was saying was that if you buy pasta there, unless your family is
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>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:41:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Janet B" > wrote in message
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>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That would be doable here except for the winter. Although we haven't
>>>>> been
>>>>> snowed in for several years, it can happen. So I need to keep a
>>>>> stockpile
>>>>> for winter. Also with things that I buy at Costco like pasta, there
>>>>> will
>>>>> be
>>>>> far more than we can eat in that length of time.
>>>>>
>>>> Dried pasta will last for a long, long time, (years?). No need to
>>>> throw it out unless you are talking about leftover cooked pasta.
>>>> Leftover naked cooked pasta is a wonderful thing. It's good hot or
>>>> cold, salad or main dish and depending on the amount it is good for
>>>> lunch or dinner. So many ways to dress it up
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>> Dur...

>>
>> Apparently you meant to express something with a sneer but were unable
>> to formulate a thought. Now we have no idea if you mean dried pasta
>> needs to be thrown away quickly or if you believe there is no use for
>> leftover cooked pasta.
>> Janet US
>>

> She completely ignored your dried pasta reference. If she buys large
> amounts of dried pasta (which is what I inferred from the Costco
> reference) it certainly doesn't need to be tossed out based on some random
> date on the box or bag. Who knows if she was ambling off in her visions of
> Costco *cooked* pasta.


And you too missed what I replied to. I don't toss out pasta. And I don't
buy cooked pasta.

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> On 2016-04-07 11:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 4/6/2016 6:58 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:41:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>

>> She completely ignored your dried pasta reference. If she buys large
>> amounts of dried pasta (which is what I inferred from the Costco
>> reference) it certainly doesn't need to be tossed out based on some
>> random date on the box or bag. Who knows if she was ambling off in her
>> visions of Costco *cooked* pasta.

>
> Don't forget that she is the one who said that she had to throw out the
> contents of her freezer because the power went out for a few hours.


It was longer than a few hours. I do have a thermometer and the food was at
an unsafe temp.

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>>On 2016-04-07 11:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 4/6/2016 6:58 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:41:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>> She completely ignored your dried pasta reference. If she buys large
>>> amounts of dried pasta (which is what I inferred from the Costco
>>> reference) it certainly doesn't need to be tossed out based on some
>>> random date on the box or bag. Who knows if she was ambling off in her
>>> visions of Costco *cooked* pasta.

>>
>>Don't forget that she is the one who said that she had to throw out the
>>contents of her freezer because the power went out for a few hours.

>
> yes. Given that history, I posted info that I thought would be
> helpful.
> Janet US


No. You're just an idiot who can't follow a thread.

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>> On 2016-04-07 11:27 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 4/6/2016 6:58 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:41:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>> She completely ignored your dried pasta reference. If she buys large
>>> amounts of dried pasta (which is what I inferred from the Costco
>>> reference) it certainly doesn't need to be tossed out based on some
>>> random date on the box or bag. Who knows if she was ambling off in her
>>> visions of Costco *cooked* pasta.

>>
>> Don't forget that she is the one who said that she had to throw out the
>> contents of her freezer because the power went out for a few hours.
>>

> Tongue-in-cheek: I thought *everyone* knew the contents of the freezer
> will spoil if the power is out for a few hours! Throw it away!
>
> Nope, not even after 24 hours or more, assuming the freezer is at proper
> temp and you aren't opening the freezer door constantly. Meanwhile, you'd
> better be contacting the power company. They can usually tell you why
> there is an outage and give estimates as to when it will be restored.
>
> She'll probably say she didn't mean dried pasta, but again Costco and
> large amounts seem to go hand in hand. It would not surprise me if she
> threw away dried pasta based on some random date. She's really big into
> the expiration date thing.


You're an idiot too! I have a freezer thermometer. I know how to use it.
One for the fridge too.

And nobody threw any pasta away. I was replying to sf saying that she only
bought for three days at a time. That wouldn't be prudent for many people
in terms of money spent. Nor would it be prudent if they live in a area
where they could get snowed in.

Now STFU before you make yourself look even more stupid.

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>>
>> LOl, well, my estimate was a tad high, I think it was closer to 50.

>
> Forgiven.
>>
>> But a good Mexican market is priceless, the array of meat cuts that your
>> "normal" market might never stock is the clincher.

>
> I have to hold back, because (I think you've noticed) I don't have
> freezer space for that.
>>
>> And oh the in-store restaurants, I think maybe they have not figured out
>> that stuffed customers buy less ;-)

>
> No in store restaurants here, except for the sections where you'd sit
> to eat deli food and no Mexican grocery store in this area I can think
> of has anything like that.
>>
>> And fresh masa - aw shoot, I'm getting hungry as I key this...

>
> Me too! Have I ever mentioned cup tamales? They used to be very San
> Francisco, but are virtually unheard of now. I call them the lazy
> man's tamale, and (IMO) they are every bit as tasty as the real thing.
> I make mine in a regular sized cupcake pan, which makes just enough
> for dinner and couple of lunches/snacks.


I still haven't made them but I do have the recipe. Need to work my way
through the Maseca first.

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