On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 15:15:44 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 21:32:19 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:03:43 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 09:24:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Just did some googling, and there are many results where Australians
> >> >are asking where it can be bought. So it's a fairly exotic item here.
> >> >Then there is the small matter of definitions of 'pumpkin', because I
> >> >know what we call 'butternut pumpkins' you guys call it 'squash', for
> >> >example. Pumpkin pie also sounds strange to us too
> >>
> >> Maybe it's a cultural difference. Maybe when an American wants to eat
> >> an apple, they order one canned, from Amazon.com.
> >
> >Do you cook an apple down every time you want apple sauce?
>
> I never eat apple sauce, but I think I would.

I was wondering what you'd do if you were using it as an ingredient
for something else, the way we use canned "pumpkin" for pie or a quick
bread.

--

sf

On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 23:27:34 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 15:39:03 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 21:43:11 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >That's an over simplification, but yes. Pumpkins are the big orange
>> >squash we carve at Halloween. There are other varieties of pumpkin,
>> >but they are only available in the Fall around Halloween and
>> >Thanksgiving.
>>
>> I think this is the only thing that's called squash in an Australian
>> supermarket:
>> <http://fruitandvegetablesmelbourne.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Baby-Yellow-Squash.jpg>
>
>Those are yellow Patty Pan squash. They come in green and white too.
>Zucchini/courgette also come in yellow and green. There is a type
>labeled at the grocery store as Mexican, but the seed companies call
>it "gray" (it's not rare).
>http://www.rareseeds.com/assets/1/14...i-DSC06563.jpg

I used to grow that type a lot. That one, a dark green one (same
colour as your round ones) and a golden type.

>Less commonly found is a round zucchini. It's cute, but why bother
>with it if all you're going to do is slice and steam it? I tried
>stuffing it once, but wasn't impressed with the result.
>http://tinyfarmblog.com/wp-content/u...l_zucchini.jpg

I don't think I've seen that shape.

>Not saying zucchini varieties are limited to the above, but those are
>the most common at my grocery stores. Zucchini is like eggplant and
>bananas. You think you've heard about them all and then you learn
>there's more.
>
>I think the bigger difference between our cultures is that Americans
>don't just say we're having "squash" for dinner the way you say
>"pumpkin". We name the type of squash it is we're talking about and
>I've never seen a Brit or Australian define what they're talking about
>beyond "courgette" or "pumpkin". Co

From the supermarket, I know "Jap Pumpkin" (small ones) and
"Queensland Blue" (big ones). Those, and some others no doubt, are
common here. They're worth being specific about because they're quite
different. I never see courgette specified any further, except for
home growing purposes.

--
Bruce

On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 23:33:47 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 15:15:44 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 21:32:19 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:03:43 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 09:24:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Just did some googling, and there are many results where Australians
>> >> >are asking where it can be bought. So it's a fairly exotic item here.
>> >> >Then there is the small matter of definitions of 'pumpkin', because I
>> >> >know what we call 'butternut pumpkins' you guys call it 'squash', for
>> >> >example. Pumpkin pie also sounds strange to us too
>> >>
>> >> Maybe it's a cultural difference. Maybe when an American wants to eat
>> >> an apple, they order one canned, from Amazon.com.
>> >
>> >Do you cook an apple down every time you want apple sauce?
>>
>> I never eat apple sauce, but I think I would.
>
>I was wondering what you'd do if you were using it as an ingredient
>for something else, the way we use canned "pumpkin" for pie or a quick
>bread.

I think I'd start with a fresh pumpkin or apples.

I'm not sure why I find canned pumpkin strange. But everybody would
probably find canned apple or orange or cabbage strange. Maybe because
they're so cheap and easily available fresh that they don't seem worth
canning?

--
Bruce

On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 7:05:15 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 14:56:09 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 12:12:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
> >
> >> Haven't seen any Libby's on my local store shelf for months, and this
> >> is a store that carries canned pumpkin year round.
> >> My wife checked another store, which confirmed there is a shortage.
> >> Anybody know what's up?
> >
> >I haven't noticed a shortage, but this isn't the time of year people
> >normally shop for canned pumpkin.
>
> Do y'all only eat pumpkin during Thanksgiving?

Canned pumpkin is generally used only for pumpkin pie, which is traditionally
associated with Thanksgiving. It is also used for quick breads or other
desserts flavored with pumpkin, but pie is the characteristic dish.

"Pumpkin" is a particular type of squash:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin>

Let's set aside for a moment the fact that the stuff in the cans is not
pumpkin as depicted above, but another winter squash that is more suitable
for commercial growing and canning.

We have other winter squashes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_squash

These are generally purchased fresh and cooked at home. A popular
one is acorn squash, split in two, seeded, and baked with a sprinkling
of cinnamon. I can't say as I particularly care for the cinnamon on it,
but if someone serves it to me I don't fuss. Any road, acorn squash
is a smaller variety, more suited to today's small families.

Cindy Hamilton

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 2:59:15 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 23:33:47 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 15:15:44 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 21:32:19 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:03:43 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 09:24:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Just did some googling, and there are many results where Australians
> >> >> >are asking where it can be bought. So it's a fairly exotic item here.
> >> >> >Then there is the small matter of definitions of 'pumpkin', because I
> >> >> >know what we call 'butternut pumpkins' you guys call it 'squash', for
> >> >> >example. Pumpkin pie also sounds strange to us too
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe it's a cultural difference. Maybe when an American wants to eat
> >> >> an apple, they order one canned, from Amazon.com.
> >> >
> >> >Do you cook an apple down every time you want apple sauce?
> >>
> >> I never eat apple sauce, but I think I would.
> >
> >I was wondering what you'd do if you were using it as an ingredient
> >for something else, the way we use canned "pumpkin" for pie or a quick
> >bread.
>
> I think I'd start with a fresh pumpkin or apples.
>
> I'm not sure why I find canned pumpkin strange. But everybody would
> probably find canned apple or orange or cabbage strange. Maybe because
> they're so cheap and easily available fresh that they don't seem worth
> canning?

Convenience. Canned pumpkin provides a smooth puree suitable for
pies with no effort. Use of canned pumpkin predates food processors.
If you want a really smooth pumpkin puree, why not canned? Plus, the
cans are sized expressly so that one can makes one pie. You can't
get that kind of precision with whole pumpkins.

Cindy Hamilton

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/3/2016 7:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>
>> Do y'all only eat pumpkin during Thanksgiving?
>>
>
> Not me. I don't eat it year round.

Nor do I, ever. I buy canned stuff for my dog when she has stomach problems
but we don't eat it.

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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 20:22:17 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 09:04:47 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 14:56:09 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 12:12:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Haven't seen any Libby's on my local store shelf for months, and this
>>> >> is a store that carries canned pumpkin year round.
>>> >> My wife checked another store, which confirmed there is a shortage.
>>> >> Anybody know what's up?
>>> >
>>> >I haven't noticed a shortage, but this isn't the time of year people
>>> >normally shop for canned pumpkin.
>>>
>>> Do y'all only eat pumpkin during Thanksgiving?
>>
>>The short answer is yes (that's when it's most popular), but we have
>>lots of other squashes that we eat "year round" or in season. I
>>suspect that you call every winter squash a pumpkin.
>
> Yes, I believe so. And you have winter squash (our pumpkin), summer
> squash (our zucchini/courgette) and a party vegetable for Halloween
> (also pumpkin here)?
>

Is courgette called summer squash?

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 15:39:03 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 21:43:11 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:05:52 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 20:22:17 -0700, sf > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 09:04:47 +1000, Bruce >
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 14:56:09 -0700, sf > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 12:12:57 -0700 (PDT),
>> >> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Haven't seen any Libby's on my local store shelf for months, and
>> >> >> >> this
>> >> >> >> is a store that carries canned pumpkin year round.
>> >> >> >> My wife checked another store, which confirmed there is a
>> >> >> >> shortage.
>> >> >> >> Anybody know what's up?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I haven't noticed a shortage, but this isn't the time of year
>> >> >> >people
>> >> >> >normally shop for canned pumpkin.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Do y'all only eat pumpkin during Thanksgiving?
>> >> >
>> >> >The short answer is yes (that's when it's most popular), but we have
>> >> >lots of other squashes that we eat "year round" or in season. I
>> >> >suspect that you call every winter squash a pumpkin.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, I believe so. And you have winter squash (our pumpkin), summer
>> >> squash (our zucchini/courgette) and a party vegetable for Halloween
>> >> (also pumpkin here)?
>> >
>> >That's an over simplification, but yes. Pumpkins are the big orange
>> >squash we carve at Halloween. There are other varieties of pumpkin,
>> >but they are only available in the Fall around Halloween and
>> >Thanksgiving.
>>
>> I think this is the only thing that's called squash in an Australian
>> supermarket:
>> <http://fruitandvegetablesmelbourne.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Baby-Yellow-Squash.jpg>
>
> Those are yellow Patty Pan squash. They come in green and white too.
> Zucchini/courgette also come in yellow and green. There is a type
> labeled at the grocery store as Mexican, but the seed companies call
> it "gray" (it's not rare).
> http://www.rareseeds.com/assets/1/14...i-DSC06563.jpg
>
> Less commonly found is a round zucchini. It's cute, but why bother
> with it if all you're going to do is slice and steam it? I tried
> stuffing it once, but wasn't impressed with the result.
> http://tinyfarmblog.com/wp-content/u...l_zucchini.jpg
>
> Not saying zucchini varieties are limited to the above, but those are
> the most common at my grocery stores. Zucchini is like eggplant and
> bananas. You think you've heard about them all and then you learn
> there's more.
>
> I think the bigger difference between our cultures is that Americans
> don't just say we're having "squash" for dinner the way you say
> "pumpkin". We name the type of squash it is we're talking about and
> I've never seen a Brit or Australian define what they're talking about
> beyond "courgette" or "pumpkin". Co
>

I just grow regular ones, yellow or green. I've never seen a big round one
like that. Was it not seedy?


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On 4/4/2016 7:05 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote
>> On 4/3/2016 7:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> Do y'all only eat pumpkin during Thanksgiving?
>>>
>> Not me. I don't eat it year round.
>
> Nor do I, ever. I buy canned stuff for my dog when she has stomach
> problems but we don't eat it.
>
My daughter and I worked out a recipe for pumpkin-chocolate-chip cookies
- delicious!

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 03:53:59 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 2:59:15 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 23:33:47 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 15:15:44 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 21:32:19 -0700, sf > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:03:43 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 09:24:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Just did some googling, and there are many results where Australians
>> >> >> >are asking where it can be bought. So it's a fairly exotic item here.
>> >> >> >Then there is the small matter of definitions of 'pumpkin', because I
>> >> >> >know what we call 'butternut pumpkins' you guys call it 'squash', for
>> >> >> >example. Pumpkin pie also sounds strange to us too
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Maybe it's a cultural difference. Maybe when an American wants to eat
>> >> >> an apple, they order one canned, from Amazon.com.
>> >> >
>> >> >Do you cook an apple down every time you want apple sauce?
>> >>
>> >> I never eat apple sauce, but I think I would.
>> >
>> >I was wondering what you'd do if you were using it as an ingredient
>> >for something else, the way we use canned "pumpkin" for pie or a quick
>> >bread.
>>
>> I think I'd start with a fresh pumpkin or apples.
>>
>> I'm not sure why I find canned pumpkin strange. But everybody would
>> probably find canned apple or orange or cabbage strange. Maybe because
>> they're so cheap and easily available fresh that they don't seem worth
>> canning?
>
>Convenience. Canned pumpkin provides a smooth puree suitable for
>pies with no effort. Use of canned pumpkin predates food processors.
>If you want a really smooth pumpkin puree, why not canned? Plus, the
>cans are sized expressly so that one can makes one pie.

Ok, I had never heard of using pumpkin puree for pies.

> You can't get that kind of precision with whole pumpkins.

A pair of scales and a unit of measure for weight should get you
pretty close.

--
Bruce

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 03:49:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 7:05:15 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 14:56:09 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 12:12:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>> >
>> >> Haven't seen any Libby's on my local store shelf for months, and this
>> >> is a store that carries canned pumpkin year round.
>> >> My wife checked another store, which confirmed there is a shortage.
>> >> Anybody know what's up?
>> >
>> >I haven't noticed a shortage, but this isn't the time of year people
>> >normally shop for canned pumpkin.
>>
>> Do y'all only eat pumpkin during Thanksgiving?
>
>Canned pumpkin is generally used only for pumpkin pie, which is traditionally
>associated with Thanksgiving. It is also used for quick breads or other
>desserts flavored with pumpkin, but pie is the characteristic dish.

Using them for pies, breads or deserts is new to me.

>"Pumpkin" is a particular type of squash:
>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin>
>
>Let's set aside for a moment the fact that the stuff in the cans is not
>pumpkin as depicted above, but another winter squash that is more suitable
>for commercial growing and canning.
>
>We have other winter squashes:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_squash
>
>These are generally purchased fresh and cooked at home. A popular
>one is acorn squash, split in two, seeded, and baked with a sprinkling
>of cinnamon. I can't say as I particularly care for the cinnamon on it,
>but if someone serves it to me I don't fuss. Any road, acorn squash
>is a smaller variety, more suited to today's small families.

I think that's all called pumpkin/pompoen where I'm from.

--
Bruce

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:08:58 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 20:22:17 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 09:04:47 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 14:56:09 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 12:12:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Haven't seen any Libby's on my local store shelf for months, and this
>>>> >> is a store that carries canned pumpkin year round.
>>>> >> My wife checked another store, which confirmed there is a shortage.
>>>> >> Anybody know what's up?
>>>> >
>>>> >I haven't noticed a shortage, but this isn't the time of year people
>>>> >normally shop for canned pumpkin.
>>>>
>>>> Do y'all only eat pumpkin during Thanksgiving?
>>>
>>>The short answer is yes (that's when it's most popular), but we have
>>>lots of other squashes that we eat "year round" or in season. I
>>>suspect that you call every winter squash a pumpkin.
>>
>> Yes, I believe so. And you have winter squash (our pumpkin), summer
>> squash (our zucchini/courgette) and a party vegetable for Halloween
>> (also pumpkin here)?
>>
>
>Is courgette called summer squash?

I thought so.

--
Bruce

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 2:59:15 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 23:33:47 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >
> > >On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 15:15:44 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 21:32:19 -0700, sf > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:03:43 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 09:24:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >Just did some googling, and there are many results where Australians
> > >> >> >are asking where it can be bought. So it's a fairly exotic item here.
> > >> >> >Then there is the small matter of definitions of 'pumpkin', because I
> > >> >> >know what we call 'butternut pumpkins' you guys call it 'squash', for
> > >> >> >example. Pumpkin pie also sounds strange to us too
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Maybe it's a cultural difference. Maybe when an American wants to eat
> > >> >> an apple, they order one canned, from Amazon.com.
> > >> >
> > >> >Do you cook an apple down every time you want apple sauce?
> > >>
> > >> I never eat apple sauce, but I think I would.
> > >
> > >I was wondering what you'd do if you were using it as an ingredient
> > >for something else, the way we use canned "pumpkin" for pie or a quick
> > >bread.
> >
> > I think I'd start with a fresh pumpkin or apples.
> >
> > I'm not sure why I find canned pumpkin strange. But everybody would
> > probably find canned apple or orange or cabbage strange. Maybe because
> > they're so cheap and easily available fresh that they don't seem worth
> > canning?
>
> Convenience. Canned pumpkin provides a smooth puree suitable for
> pies with no effort. Use of canned pumpkin predates food processors.
> If you want a really smooth pumpkin puree, why not canned? Plus, the
> cans are sized expressly so that one can makes one pie. You can't
> get that kind of precision with whole pumpkins.
>

Many years ago, I switched to sweet potato pies. Tastes the same as
pumpkin without all the hassle. I can make them from scratch (using
pumpkin from scratch is a real PITA). I usually make a couple for
Thanksgiving or Christmas.

On 2016-04-04 1:11 AM, sf wrote:

>>> Do you cook an apple down every time you want apple sauce?
>>
>> Oh yes. That's something that is really easy in the microwave.
>> Janet US
>
> You'd cook an apple down if you wanted applesauce to make a cake? I
> often take extra steps - that isn't one of them.
>


I like applesauce with pork. My wife usually used an apple or two to
make some.

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 8:00:30 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 03:53:59 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 2:59:15 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 23:33:47 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 15:15:44 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 21:32:19 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:03:43 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 09:24:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Just did some googling, and there are many results where Australians
> >> >> >> >are asking where it can be bought. So it's a fairly exotic item here.
> >> >> >> >Then there is the small matter of definitions of 'pumpkin', because I
> >> >> >> >know what we call 'butternut pumpkins' you guys call it 'squash', for
> >> >> >> >example. Pumpkin pie also sounds strange to us too
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Maybe it's a cultural difference. Maybe when an American wants to eat
> >> >> >> an apple, they order one canned, from Amazon.com.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Do you cook an apple down every time you want apple sauce?
> >> >>
> >> >> I never eat apple sauce, but I think I would.
> >> >
> >> >I was wondering what you'd do if you were using it as an ingredient
> >> >for something else, the way we use canned "pumpkin" for pie or a quick
> >> >bread.
> >>
> >> I think I'd start with a fresh pumpkin or apples.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure why I find canned pumpkin strange. But everybody would
> >> probably find canned apple or orange or cabbage strange. Maybe because
> >> they're so cheap and easily available fresh that they don't seem worth
> >> canning?
> >
> >Convenience. Canned pumpkin provides a smooth puree suitable for
> >pies with no effort. Use of canned pumpkin predates food processors.
> >If you want a really smooth pumpkin puree, why not canned? Plus, the
> >cans are sized expressly so that one can makes one pie.
>
> Ok, I had never heard of using pumpkin puree for pies.
>
> > You can't get that kind of precision with whole pumpkins.
>
> A pair of scales and a unit of measure for weight should get you
> pretty close.

Most folks would have no use for leftover pumpkin. Millions of
Americans eat no winter squash except in pumpkin pie.

Forbes reports that enough canned pumpkin is sold every year to
make 90 million pies.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 09:06:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-04-04 1:11 AM, sf wrote:
>
>>>> Do you cook an apple down every time you want apple sauce?
>>>
>>> Oh yes. That's something that is really easy in the microwave.
>>> Janet US
>>
>> You'd cook an apple down if you wanted applesauce to make a cake? I
>> often take extra steps - that isn't one of them.
>>
>
>
>I like applesauce with pork. My wife usually used an apple or two to
>make some.
>
That's another thing I make in the microwave - too too easy.

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/4/2016 7:05 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote
>>> On 4/3/2016 7:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> Do y'all only eat pumpkin during Thanksgiving?
>>>>
>>> Not me. I don't eat it year round.
>>
>> Nor do I, ever. I buy canned stuff for my dog when she has stomach
>> problems but we don't eat it.
>>
> My daughter and I worked out a recipe for pumpkin-chocolate-chip cookies -
> delicious!

Get thee behind me ...

;-)
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Two years ago I couldn't find canned pumpkin anywhere and went to at least a half dozen different stores. At each place I was told there was a pumpkin shortage and there wouldn't be more till Fall. It's still in my stores at the moment.


Denise in NH

On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 16:58:46 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

> think I'd start with a fresh pumpkin or apples.

Apples don't need to be processed other than cutting when starting
with fresh so that's not an issue. Pumpkin, the one we call pumpkin,
needs to be cooked first and then lots and lots of drain to get a nice
solid puree (takes at least 24 hours and the longer, the better) -
otherwise the pie is loose and sloppy. BTDT, over it. I'm not
pretending to be a back to basics Little Suzy Homemaker and prefer to
open a can to eliminate two days of pumpkin preparation.
>
> I'm not sure why I find canned pumpkin strange. But everybody would
> probably find canned apple or orange or cabbage strange. Maybe because
> they're so cheap and easily available fresh that they don't seem worth
> canning?

They aren't available year round, so there's no chance of starting
with fresh and what needs to be done to get a half way decent pie
takes too much time - so reasonable people (who just want to make a
d*man pie or quick bread fast) open a can. I'm actually shocked you
don't use canned pumpkin down under. Do you never eat pumpkin pie?

For the record, canned cabbage is called sauerkraut and nobody finds
it strange. Mandarin oranges are canned and you'll also find apple
pie filling on the store shelf.

--

sf

On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 21:59:58 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 03:53:59 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 2:59:15 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 23:33:47 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 15:15:44 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 21:32:19 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:03:43 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 09:24:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Just did some googling, and there are many results where Australians
> >> >> >> >are asking where it can be bought. So it's a fairly exotic item here.
> >> >> >> >Then there is the small matter of definitions of 'pumpkin', because I
> >> >> >> >know what we call 'butternut pumpkins' you guys call it 'squash', for
> >> >> >> >example. Pumpkin pie also sounds strange to us too
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Maybe it's a cultural difference. Maybe when an American wants to eat
> >> >> >> an apple, they order one canned, from Amazon.com.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Do you cook an apple down every time you want apple sauce?
> >> >>
> >> >> I never eat apple sauce, but I think I would.
> >> >
> >> >I was wondering what you'd do if you were using it as an ingredient
> >> >for something else, the way we use canned "pumpkin" for pie or a quick
> >> >bread.
> >>
> >> I think I'd start with a fresh pumpkin or apples.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure why I find canned pumpkin strange. But everybody would
> >> probably find canned apple or orange or cabbage strange. Maybe because
> >> they're so cheap and easily available fresh that they don't seem worth
> >> canning?
> >
> >Convenience. Canned pumpkin provides a smooth puree suitable for
> >pies with no effort. Use of canned pumpkin predates food processors.
> >If you want a really smooth pumpkin puree, why not canned? Plus, the
> >cans are sized expressly so that one can makes one pie.
>
> Ok, I had never heard of using pumpkin puree for pies.
>
> > You can't get that kind of precision with whole pumpkins.
>
> A pair of scales and a unit of measure for weight should get you
> pretty close.

What are you going to do with the excess or how will you make up a
lack of weight? That's more work for the cook.

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sf

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 09:24:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 16:12:10 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 3:25:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never seen canned pumpkin in my entire life.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>WOW! You need to get out more!
>>>
>>>I'm honestly not sure if it is sold in Australia?
>>>A bit presumptuous of me, but I think most Australia's would regard
>>>canning pumpkin to be odd thing to do. We treat it more as a fresh
>>>vegetable.
>>>
>>>Just did some googling, and there are many results where Australians
>>>are asking where it can be bought. So it's a fairly exotic item here.
>>>Then there is the small matter of definitions of 'pumpkin', because I
>>>know what we call 'butternut pumpkins' you guys call it 'squash', for
>>>example. Pumpkin pie also sounds strange to us too
>>
>> Maybe it's a cultural difference. Maybe when an American wants to eat
>> an apple, they order one canned, from Amazon.com.
>
> Hardly.

I use canned pumpkin year round and have never had any problem finding it on
the grocery shelves.

Cheri

On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 08:35:42 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>
> Many years ago, I switched to sweet potato pies. Tastes the same as
> pumpkin without all the hassle. I can make them from scratch (using
> pumpkin from scratch is a real PITA). I usually make a couple for
> Thanksgiving or Christmas.

I beg to differ. They are vastly different. I made one once and
threw most of it away. It's definitely heavier, the texture is
different and tastes very different in spite of using the same recipe
I would have used for pumpkin pie. The result wasn't even close and
would have fooled no one who was a real pumpkin pie eater. We were
prepared to like it, but it was a waste of time and I will never do
that again. I don't mind using a little leftover baked sweet potato
to make up for the smaller modern day cans of pumpkin, but a pie
that's entirely sweet potato is off the table.

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sf

On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 22:11:25 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 22:49:32 -0600, Janet B >
>wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 21:32:19 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:03:43 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 09:24:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 16:12:10 -0700 (PDT), "
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 3:25:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I've never seen canned pumpkin in my entire life.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>WOW! You need to get out more!
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm honestly not sure if it is sold in Australia?
>> >> >A bit presumptuous of me, but I think most Australia's would regard
>> >> >canning pumpkin to be odd thing to do. We treat it more as a fresh
>> >> >vegetable.
>> >> >
>> >> >Just did some googling, and there are many results where Australians
>> >> >are asking where it can be bought. So it's a fairly exotic item here.
>> >> >Then there is the small matter of definitions of 'pumpkin', because I
>> >> >know what we call 'butternut pumpkins' you guys call it 'squash', for
>> >> >example. Pumpkin pie also sounds strange to us too
>> >>
>> >> Maybe it's a cultural difference. Maybe when an American wants to eat
>> >> an apple, they order one canned, from Amazon.com.
>> >
>> >Do you cook an apple down every time you want apple sauce?
>>
>> Oh yes. That's something that is really easy in the microwave.
>> Janet US
>
>You'd cook an apple down if you wanted applesauce to make a cake? I
>often take extra steps - that isn't one of them.

for me the extra step would be going to the store to buy a can of
applesauce and having some of it hang around after I'd used what I
needed. Besides, canned applesauce is kind of like a McDonalds
hamburger. It's called a hamburger but tastes nothing like a real
hamburger.
Janet US

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 07:40:04 -0400, S Viemeister
> wrote:

> On 4/4/2016 7:05 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote
> >> On 4/3/2016 7:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >>> Do y'all only eat pumpkin during Thanksgiving?
> >>>
> >> Not me. I don't eat it year round.
> >
> > Nor do I, ever. I buy canned stuff for my dog when she has stomach
> > problems but we don't eat it.
> >
> My daughter and I worked out a recipe for pumpkin-chocolate-chip cookies
> - delicious!

Have you ever tried peanut butter-oatmeal-chocolate chip? I haven't
yet, but it sounds very tasty - all my favorite components.

--

sf

"Gary" > wrote in message ...

> Many years ago, I switched to sweet potato pies. Tastes the same as
> pumpkin without all the hassle. I can make them from scratch (using
> pumpkin from scratch is a real PITA). I usually make a couple for
> Thanksgiving or Christmas.

It doesn't taste at all the same to me, different texture, but some people
do like them more than pumpkin. I don't really know what you mean by hassle
with pumpkin pie unless you are using fresh pumpkin?

Cheri

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:11:31 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
> I just grow regular ones, yellow or green. I've never seen a big round one
> like that.

It's not big... 3-4 inches around at the most. 4 would be on the
large side. They probably can get a lot bigger, just like an
undiscovered zucchini grows into a marrow virtually overnight.

> Was it not seedy?

I'd say what I bought was less seedy than a regular oblong zucchini.

--

sf

On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 22:02:09 +1000, Bruce > wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 03:49:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 7:05:15 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 14:56:09 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 12:12:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Haven't seen any Libby's on my local store shelf for months, and this
> >> >> is a store that carries canned pumpkin year round.
> >> >> My wife checked another store, which confirmed there is a shortage.
> >> >> Anybody know what's up?
> >> >
> >> >I haven't noticed a shortage, but this isn't the time of year people
> >> >normally shop for canned pumpkin.
> >>
> >> Do y'all only eat pumpkin during Thanksgiving?
> >
> >Canned pumpkin is generally used only for pumpkin pie, which is traditionally
> >associated with Thanksgiving. It is also used for quick breads or other
> >desserts flavored with pumpkin, but pie is the characteristic dish.
>
> Using them for pies, breads or deserts is new to me.
>
> >"Pumpkin" is a particular type of squash:
> >
> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpkin>
> >
> >Let's set aside for a moment the fact that the stuff in the cans is not
> >pumpkin as depicted above, but another winter squash that is more suitable
> >for commercial growing and canning.
> >
> >We have other winter squashes:
> >
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_squash
> >
> >These are generally purchased fresh and cooked at home. A popular
> >one is acorn squash, split in two, seeded, and baked with a sprinkling
> >of cinnamon. I can't say as I particularly care for the cinnamon on it,
> >but if someone serves it to me I don't fuss. Any road, acorn squash
> >is a smaller variety, more suited to today's small families.
>
> I think that's all called pumpkin/pompoen where I'm from.

Which confuses Americans, because we separate our squashes by
category. If we buy an Acorn, Butternut, Hub bard or Delicata, we
call it by name - not simply "squash".
http://www.realsimple.com/food-recip...squash/pumpkin

--

sf

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 09:06:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2016-04-04 1:11 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >>> Do you cook an apple down every time you want apple sauce?
> >>
> >> Oh yes. That's something that is really easy in the microwave.
> >> Janet US
> >
> > You'd cook an apple down if you wanted applesauce to make a cake? I
> > often take extra steps - that isn't one of them.
> >
>
>
> I like applesauce with pork. My wife usually used an apple or two to
> make some.
>
You're stopping at the applesauce part. So far, exactly no one has
said they'd do it to use in a recipe such as an applesauce cake.

--

sf

On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 08:30:26 -0600, Janet B >
wrote:

> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 22:11:25 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 22:49:32 -0600, Janet B >
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 21:32:19 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:03:43 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 09:24:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 16:12:10 -0700 (PDT), "
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 3:25:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> I've never seen canned pumpkin in my entire life.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>WOW! You need to get out more!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I'm honestly not sure if it is sold in Australia?
> >> >> >A bit presumptuous of me, but I think most Australia's would regard
> >> >> >canning pumpkin to be odd thing to do. We treat it more as a fresh
> >> >> >vegetable.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Just did some googling, and there are many results where Australians
> >> >> >are asking where it can be bought. So it's a fairly exotic item here.
> >> >> >Then there is the small matter of definitions of 'pumpkin', because I
> >> >> >know what we call 'butternut pumpkins' you guys call it 'squash', for
> >> >> >example. Pumpkin pie also sounds strange to us too
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe it's a cultural difference. Maybe when an American wants to eat
> >> >> an apple, they order one canned, from Amazon.com.
> >> >
> >> >Do you cook an apple down every time you want apple sauce?
> >>
> >> Oh yes. That's something that is really easy in the microwave.
> >> Janet US
> >
> >You'd cook an apple down if you wanted applesauce to make a cake? I
> >often take extra steps - that isn't one of them.
>
> for me the extra step would be going to the store to buy a can of
> applesauce and having some of it hang around after I'd used what I
> needed. Besides, canned applesauce is kind of like a McDonalds
> hamburger. It's called a hamburger but tastes nothing like a real
> hamburger.
> Janet US

So you're saying you would cook a bunch of apples to make applesauce
to use in a cake recipe? How often have you done that and how do you
make exactly the amount you need?


--

sf

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 07:13:24 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

> Two years ago I couldn't find canned pumpkin anywhere and went to at least a half dozen different stores. At each place I was told there was a pumpkin shortage and there wouldn't be more till Fall. It's still in my stores at the moment.
>
>
There *was* a canned pumpkin shortage one year, but not anymore.

--

sf

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:11:31 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I just grow regular ones, yellow or green. I've never seen a big round
>> one
>> like that.
>
> It's not big... 3-4 inches around at the most. 4 would be on the
> large side. They probably can get a lot bigger, just like an
> undiscovered zucchini grows into a marrow virtually overnight.
>
>> Was it not seedy?
>
> I'd say what I bought was less seedy than a regular oblong zucchini.

Ok I don't let mine grow big enough to be seedy though.

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On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:04:36 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:11:31 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I just grow regular ones, yellow or green. I've never seen a big round
> >> one
> >> like that.
> >
> > It's not big... 3-4 inches around at the most. 4 would be on the
> > large side. They probably can get a lot bigger, just like an
> > undiscovered zucchini grows into a marrow virtually overnight.
> >
> >> Was it not seedy?
> >
> > I'd say what I bought was less seedy than a regular oblong zucchini.
>
> Ok I don't let mine grow big enough to be seedy though.

Even the tiniest ones have seeds.

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sf

On 4/4/2016 9:13 AM, wrote:
>
> Two years ago I couldn't find canned pumpkin anywhere and went to at
> least a half dozen different stores. At each place I was told there
> was a pumpkin shortage and there wouldn't be more till Fall. It's
> still in my stores at the moment.

IIRC, the shortage of pumpkins two-plus years ago was due to severe
drought (?). Recently, I learned that Illinois grows the largest
crop(s) of pumpkins in the USA (and the planet?).

Sky

================================
Kitchen Rule #1 - Use the timer!
Kitchen Rule #2 - Cook's choice!
================================

On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 11:06:20 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> Yes, I believe so. And you have winter squash (our pumpkin), summer
> squash (our zucchini/courgette) and a party vegetable for Halloween
> (also pumpkin here)?
>
> --
> Bruce
>
>
Zukes are grown in abundance here but not a favorite
with me but many enjoy them. For a 'summer' squash
I prefer the yellow crook neck. Pumpkin is too bland
for me even when spiced up. Unless mistaken the ones
that are grown for pies are known as sugar pumpkins.

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 12:16:12 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> I never eat apple sauce, but I think I would.
>
> --
> Bruce
>
>
Tasty stuff with the right food.

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 9:13:29 AM UTC-5, wrote:
>
> Two years ago I couldn't find canned pumpkin anywhere and went to at least a half dozen different stores. At each place I was told there was a pumpkin shortage and there wouldn't be more till Fall. It's still in my stores at the moment.
>
>
> Denise in NH
>
>
I read about that, here?, and was all but stumbling over
cases of pumpkin at the local stores here. Strange!

On 4/4/2016 10:30 AM, sf wrote:
> > wrote:
>> On 4/4/2016 7:05 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote
>>>> On 4/3/2016 7:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> Do y'all only eat pumpkin during Thanksgiving?
>>>> Not me. I don't eat it year round.
>>> Nor do I, ever. I buy canned stuff for my dog when she has stomach
>>> problems but we don't eat it.
>>>
>> My daughter and I worked out a recipe for pumpkin-chocolate-chip cookies
>> - delicious!
>
> Have you ever tried peanut butter-oatmeal-chocolate chip? I haven't
> yet, but it sounds very tasty - all my favorite components.
>
No, and not likely to - I get a really nasty rash from even _tiny_
amounts of oats.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:04:36 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:11:31 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I just grow regular ones, yellow or green. I've never seen a big
>> >> round
>> >> one
>> >> like that.
>> >
>> > It's not big... 3-4 inches around at the most. 4 would be on the
>> > large side. They probably can get a lot bigger, just like an
>> > undiscovered zucchini grows into a marrow virtually overnight.
>> >
>> >> Was it not seedy?
>> >
>> > I'd say what I bought was less seedy than a regular oblong zucchini.
>>
>> Ok I don't let mine grow big enough to be seedy though.
>
> Even the tiniest ones have seeds.

Sigh.

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On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 19:31:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2016-04-03 7:24 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>> Just did some googling, and there are many results where Australians
>> are asking where it can be bought. So it's a fairly exotic item here.
>> Then there is the small matter of definitions of 'pumpkin', because I
>> know what we call 'butternut pumpkins' you guys call it 'squash', for
>> example. Pumpkin pie also sounds strange to us too
>
>What Australians and New Zealanders call butternut pumpkin we call
>butternut squash. Our pumpkin is a different pumpkin cultivar. They are
>orange and get very big. I don't think many people actually eat them
>and that most pumpkins end up being carved up into Jack O'Lanterns at
>Halloween. Most canned pumpkin is actually squash.

The differences do complicate things, because we also have pumpkins
such as the Queensland Blue, very popular here and is quite a large,
bluey/grey colour.

On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 18:23:53 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 16:12:10 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 3:25:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've never seen canned pumpkin in my entire life.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>WOW! You need to get out more!
>>
>> I'm honestly not sure if it is sold in Australia?
>> A bit presumptuous of me, but I think most Australia's would regard
>> canning pumpkin to be odd thing to do. We treat it more as a fresh
>> vegetable.
>
>It is sold there but... What you call pumkin is not what we call pumpkin.
>>
>> Just did some googling, and there are many results where Australians
>> are asking where it can be bought. So it's a fairly exotic item here.
>> Then there is the small matter of definitions of 'pumpkin', because I
>> know what we call 'butternut pumpkins' you guys call it 'squash', for
>> example. Pumpkin pie also sounds strange to us too
>
>What about sweet potato pie?

Nope, nothing like that here. 'Sweet potato' is yet *another* vague
description for a variety of root vegetables too... We ate a lot of
sweet potato when I was a kid living in the tropics.