On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 12:18:16 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 11:53:46 AM UTC-4, Questa wrote:
> >> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 7:22:01 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> One thing I certainly do no believe in is the word "twaddle." As far as
> >>>> Chi goes, can bajillions of Chinese be wong? Er... I mean "wrong?"
> >>>
> >>> Yes, they can. It's a logical fallacy called Argumentum ad populum.
> >>> It doesn't matter how many people believe it; if it's wrong, it's wrong.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>
> >>
> >> PROVE that is IS wrong, take all the screens you need.
> >
> > It's up to those who believe in it to prove its efficacy.
>
> Did and done.
>
> http://www.wofs.com/index.php/feng-s...-works-part-ii
>
> In this series of articles, well known feng shui expert/consultant-Paul
> Darby-The Feng Shui Doctor, from British TV, tells us why feng shui is
> scientific, explains how and why it works!!
===
Feng Shui is complete bullshit IMHO. Total waste of time, effort, space and effect.
=====

On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 1:48:40 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> >> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 13:21:58 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 10/17/2015 12:50 PM, graham wrote:
> >>>> On 16/10/2015 2:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> When I designed my old office, I just couldn't allow the hallway to have
> >>>>> a dead end. That would be a major design mistake. Having all the chi
> >>>>> just hitting that dead spot would be just asking for trouble.
> >>>>
> >>>> Chi? Surely you don't believe in that twaddle, do you?
> >>>> Graham
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> One thing I certainly do no believe in is the word "twaddle." As far as
> >>> Chi goes, can bajillions of Chinese be wong? Er... I mean "wrong?"
> >>>
> >>> But seriously folks, I see no reason to not to use the concept as far as
> >>> architectural design goes. How we relate/interact to our environment and
> >>> how our surroundings affect us is certainly buried deep within our
> >>> psyche and originates to a time when we were living like wild animals..
> >>> These apprehensions about our environment is baggage we carry still. I'm
> >>> Asian so I can attribute the flow of energy in a room to qi and having
> >>> that energy hit a dead end is unacceptable.
> >>>
> >>> This is a lot better than relying on some vague, unknown, feeling of
> >>> unease when describing uncomfortable spaces. We got a system in place
> >>> for this and Westerners got nothing.
> >>>
> >>> OTOH, the building I'm in has 4 crystal balls on the corners of the
> >>> building - that's a lot of twaddle! Ahahahahaha!
> >>
> >> Fung shui boils down to practical design elements with a little
> >> mystical hocus pocus attached for added flair.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> sf
> >
> > Personally, I don't mind a bit of the mystical and unknown in our lives but it doesn't matter if one believes that there's energy flowing through the room or if the fire and water elements have to be in balance. I will not have any hallway that I design end in such an ungraceful way. To see something like that every day would be too depressing.
> >
> But there is some provable physics to it.
>
> Just like with acupuncture.

Acupuncture is an easy way to get infections. They are as effective as rubbing your chest
with vapor-rub...as in not very.
=====

Roy wrote:
> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 12:18:16 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 11:53:46 AM UTC-4, Questa wrote:
>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 7:22:01 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing I certainly do no believe in is the word "twaddle." As far as
>>>>>> Chi goes, can bajillions of Chinese be wong? Er... I mean "wrong?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, they can. It's a logical fallacy called Argumentum ad populum.
>>>>> It doesn't matter how many people believe it; if it's wrong, it's wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PROVE that is IS wrong, take all the screens you need.
>>>
>>> It's up to those who believe in it to prove its efficacy.
>>
>> Did and done.
>>
>> http://www.wofs.com/index.php/feng-s...-works-part-ii
>>
>> In this series of articles, well known feng shui expert/consultant-Paul
>> Darby-The Feng Shui Doctor, from British TV, tells us why feng shui is
>> scientific, explains how and why it works!!
> ===
> Feng Shui is complete bullshit IMHO. Total waste of time, effort, space and effect.
> =====
>
Your opinion is discarded.

Roy wrote:
> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 1:48:40 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 13:21:58 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/17/2015 12:50 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>> On 16/10/2015 2:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I designed my old office, I just couldn't allow the hallway to have
>>>>>>> a dead end. That would be a major design mistake. Having all the chi
>>>>>>> just hitting that dead spot would be just asking for trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chi? Surely you don't believe in that twaddle, do you?
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I certainly do no believe in is the word "twaddle." As far as
>>>>> Chi goes, can bajillions of Chinese be wong? Er... I mean "wrong?"
>>>>>
>>>>> But seriously folks, I see no reason to not to use the concept as far as
>>>>> architectural design goes. How we relate/interact to our environment and
>>>>> how our surroundings affect us is certainly buried deep within our
>>>>> psyche and originates to a time when we were living like wild animals.
>>>>> These apprehensions about our environment is baggage we carry still. I'm
>>>>> Asian so I can attribute the flow of energy in a room to qi and having
>>>>> that energy hit a dead end is unacceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a lot better than relying on some vague, unknown, feeling of
>>>>> unease when describing uncomfortable spaces. We got a system in place
>>>>> for this and Westerners got nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> OTOH, the building I'm in has 4 crystal balls on the corners of the
>>>>> building - that's a lot of twaddle! Ahahahahaha!
>>>>
>>>> Fung shui boils down to practical design elements with a little
>>>> mystical hocus pocus attached for added flair.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> sf
>>>
>>> Personally, I don't mind a bit of the mystical and unknown in our lives but it doesn't matter if one believes that there's energy flowing through the room or if the fire and water elements have to be in balance. I will not have any hallway that I design end in such an ungraceful way. To see something like that every day would be too depressing.
>>>
>> But there is some provable physics to it.
>>
>> Just like with acupuncture.
>
> Acupuncture is an easy way to get infections.

Any licensed acupuncturist uses clean disposable needles in a sealed
package.

You dolt.

> They are as effective as rubbing your chest
> with vapor-rub...as in not very.
> =====

Ya know Roy, you really are as dumb as a stump.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Acupunc.../Evidence.aspx

What evidence is there for acupuncture?
One of the largest and most respected organisations that carries out and
publishes systematic reviews into the effectiveness of medical
treatments is The Cochrane Collaboration.
A number of systematic reviews into the effectiveness of acupuncture
have been published by The Cochrane Collaboration, and the basic results
are summarised below.
Some positive evidence
Systematic reviews carried out by The Cochrane Collaboration have found
there is some evidence acupuncture may have a beneficial effect on the
following conditions:
chronic lower back pain
tension-type headaches
migraines
nausea and vomiting after chemotherapy
nausea and vomiting after surgery
osteoarthritis
neck pain
irritable bowel syndrome (IBS)

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 13:40:37 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote:

>Feng Shui is complete bullshit IMHO. Total waste of time, effort, space and effect.

Fancy that. You have something in common with that which you hate.

On 18/10/2015 2:44 PM, Roy wrote:
> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 1:48:40 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 13:21:58 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/17/2015 12:50 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>> On 16/10/2015 2:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I designed my old office, I just couldn't allow the hallway to have
>>>>>>> a dead end. That would be a major design mistake. Having all the chi
>>>>>>> just hitting that dead spot would be just asking for trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chi? Surely you don't believe in that twaddle, do you?
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I certainly do no believe in is the word "twaddle." As far as
>>>>> Chi goes, can bajillions of Chinese be wong? Er... I mean "wrong?"
>>>>>
>>>>> But seriously folks, I see no reason to not to use the concept as far as
>>>>> architectural design goes. How we relate/interact to our environment and
>>>>> how our surroundings affect us is certainly buried deep within our
>>>>> psyche and originates to a time when we were living like wild animals.
>>>>> These apprehensions about our environment is baggage we carry still. I'm
>>>>> Asian so I can attribute the flow of energy in a room to qi and having
>>>>> that energy hit a dead end is unacceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a lot better than relying on some vague, unknown, feeling of
>>>>> unease when describing uncomfortable spaces. We got a system in place
>>>>> for this and Westerners got nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> OTOH, the building I'm in has 4 crystal balls on the corners of the
>>>>> building - that's a lot of twaddle! Ahahahahaha!
>>>>
>>>> Fung shui boils down to practical design elements with a little
>>>> mystical hocus pocus attached for added flair.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> sf
>>>
>>> Personally, I don't mind a bit of the mystical and unknown in our lives but it doesn't matter if one believes that there's energy flowing through the room or if the fire and water elements have to be in balance. I will not have any hallway that I design end in such an ungraceful way. To see something like that every day would be too depressing.
>>>
>> But there is some provable physics to it.
>>
>> Just like with acupuncture.
>
> Acupuncture is an easy way to get infections. They are as effective as rubbing your chest
> with vapor-rub...as in not very.
> =====
>
It has also been proven to be a placebo.
Graham

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:52:01 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-10-18 1:43 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> It's up to those who believe in it to prove its efficacy. Preferably
>> with a controlled double-blind study conducted on a randomly selected,
>> statistically-significant-sized sample.
>>
>>
>
>
>Speaking of randomly selected samples.... I have to question the
>validity of the polls whose results are being pulled out all the time. I
>have no faith in them. They are only polling the people they call, which
>means they are only polling the people who were at home, who answered
>the phone and gave their time to answer the questions.

Much less interviewing is done by phone these days than, say, 10 years
or more ago. Lot of crap flies under the wire around election time.
>
>Sometimes people lie. I started lying to pollsters a while ago because
>I was fed up with their constant phones. There are about 35 million of
>us and sample groups typically involve 100-1000 people. It is beyond the
>realm of probability that I could be selected at random 2-3 times a week
>several weeks in a row.

You aren't.

I would wager that a preponderance of the calls you are getting lately
are due to the electioneering, of course, and you may fit into some
group that not only pollsters, but politicians, too, are trying to
reach. A boatload of calls made around election times are not true
opinion polls, but what we call "push polling" - calls made to
encourage voting for a person or cause and disguised to look like real
opinion polls.

>I started giving them contradictory answers. In a poll on our provincial
>with three parties running I was asked which leader I thought would
>make the best premier, which party I thought would give us the best
>government and which candidate I thought would do the best job. I gave
>them one leaders's name, a different party and the candidate from the
>third.

Gee, how cool are you? Wow. We're lucky the world is still turning.
>
>After that, I refused to do their polls. Son of a gun, I was no longer
>being selected at random for the polls.

Political polling is very different from the usual sort of opinion
polling. The poll you have been called for and refused to answer does
not affect the integrity of the random characteristics of a properly
structured sample. The term "random" has lots of rules and regs that
vary whether it is being conducted door to door, by phone, mail, from
a list, or online.

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 15:15:42 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 10/18/2015 2:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> I started giving them contradictory answers. In a poll on our provincial
>> with three parties running I was asked which leader I thought would
>> make the best premier, which party I thought would give us the best
>> government and which candidate I thought would do the best job. I gave
>> them one leaders's name, a different party and the candidate from the
>> third.
>>
>> After that, I refused to do their polls. Son of a gun, I was no longer
>> being selected at random for the polls.
>>
>
>I'd have thought by now that pollsters and telemarketers would have a
>"do not call this asshole" list. I'd be on it.

>
>I got excited when the guy selling solar panels said he could cut my
>electric bill in half. I told him my last bill was $27 and I'd
>appreciate the savings.
>
>Told the car warranty guy I speak only Polish. (I used all ten words
>that I know too)
>
>Kept the Windows scammer on for a log time and asked him to pray for the
>computer with me. He hung up when I told him I was lighting insense and
>chanting.

On 2015-10-18 3:15 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/18/2015 2:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> I started giving them contradictory answers. In a poll on our provincial
>> with three parties running I was asked which leader I thought would
>> make the best premier, which party I thought would give us the best
>> government and which candidate I thought would do the best job. I gave
>> them one leaders's name, a different party and the candidate from the
>> third.
>>
>> After that, I refused to do their polls. Son of a gun, I was no longer
>> being selected at random for the polls.
>>
>
> I'd have thought by now that pollsters and telemarketers would have a
> "do not call this asshole" list. I'd be on it.
>

You should be so lucky.


> I got excited when the guy selling solar panels said he could cut my
> electric bill in half. I told him my last bill was $27 and I'd
> appreciate the savings.
>
> Told the car warranty guy I speak only Polish. (I used all ten words
> that I know too)
>
> Kept the Windows scammer on for a log time and asked him to pray for the
> computer with me. He hung up when I told him I was lighting insense and
> chanting.

I am amazed at how long they can be kept on the line no matter our
sarcastic, condescending, cynical or downright nasty I am am to them. I
figure that as long as I have them on the line they aren't bothering
other people.

A couple months ago I got a call from "the income tax department"
telling me I had been audited and owed them money and had to pay it
immediately. When I asked where exactly he was calling from and his
address and phone number I could here him typing in a search. It took me
about the same amount of time to Google the same information that he was
Googling. He ended up threatening to call the police and they were
going to come and arrest me, which was pretty much a wasted threat at
that point because he should have realized I was not falling for his
scam. I offered him the number for the local police department. He
said he already knew they number. Funny... the local police don't
arrest for income tax issues.

Last week it was the guy from my Windows about a security problem with
my computer. That one led to a threat that my Windows was going to be
disabled. I kept him on the line for another 15 minutes and then asked
if we could reset that disabling back to 30 minutes because we had
wasted 15 minutes. He agreed to rest it to give me 25 minutes before
disabling it. ;-)

graham wrote:
> On 18/10/2015 2:44 PM, Roy wrote:
>> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 1:48:40 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 13:21:58 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/17/2015 12:50 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>> On 16/10/2015 2:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I designed my old office, I just couldn't allow the hallway
>>>>>>>> to have
>>>>>>>> a dead end. That would be a major design mistake. Having all the
>>>>>>>> chi
>>>>>>>> just hitting that dead spot would be just asking for trouble.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chi? Surely you don't believe in that twaddle, do you?
>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing I certainly do no believe in is the word "twaddle." As
>>>>>> far as
>>>>>> Chi goes, can bajillions of Chinese be wong? Er... I mean "wrong?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But seriously folks, I see no reason to not to use the concept as
>>>>>> far as
>>>>>> architectural design goes. How we relate/interact to our
>>>>>> environment and
>>>>>> how our surroundings affect us is certainly buried deep within our
>>>>>> psyche and originates to a time when we were living like wild
>>>>>> animals.
>>>>>> These apprehensions about our environment is baggage we carry
>>>>>> still. I'm
>>>>>> Asian so I can attribute the flow of energy in a room to qi and
>>>>>> having
>>>>>> that energy hit a dead end is unacceptable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a lot better than relying on some vague, unknown, feeling of
>>>>>> unease when describing uncomfortable spaces. We got a system in place
>>>>>> for this and Westerners got nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OTOH, the building I'm in has 4 crystal balls on the corners of the
>>>>>> building - that's a lot of twaddle! Ahahahahaha!
>>>>>
>>>>> Fung shui boils down to practical design elements with a little
>>>>> mystical hocus pocus attached for added flair.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> sf
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I don't mind a bit of the mystical and unknown in our
>>>> lives but it doesn't matter if one believes that there's energy
>>>> flowing through the room or if the fire and water elements have to
>>>> be in balance. I will not have any hallway that I design end in such
>>>> an ungraceful way. To see something like that every day would be too
>>>> depressing.
>>>>
>>> But there is some provable physics to it.
>>>
>>> Just like with acupuncture.
>>
>> Acupuncture is an easy way to get infections. They are as effective as
>> rubbing your chest
>> with vapor-rub...as in not very.
>> =====
>>
> It has also been proven to be a placebo.
> Graham

Nope, you're LYING!

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2...-effective-nhs

You can't get crystal healing on the NHS. The Department of Health
doesn't fund faith healing. And most doctors believe magnets are best
stuck on fridges, not patients. But ask for a treatment in which an
expert examines your tongue, smells your skin and tries to unblock the
flow of life force running through your body with needles and the NHS
will be happy to oblige.

The government declines to say how much the health service spends on
acupuncture each year, but it's estimated to be around £25m. The NHS
rationing body, the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence
(Nice), says that doctors can prescribe acupuncture for lower back pain
and chronic tension headaches. The NHS Choices website says there is
"reasonably good evidence" that acupuncture is effective at treating a
range of conditions, including back pain, dental pain, headache, nausea
after operations and osteoarthritis of the knee. And there are plenty of
anecdotes from patients who swear it works.

Of all the branches of complementary and alternative medicine,
acupuncture has without doubt the most credibility among doctors and
health officials.

On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 2:57:20 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
> Roy wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
> >> dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 1:48:40 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 13:21:58 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 10/17/2015 12:50 PM, graham wrote:
> >>>>>> On 16/10/2015 2:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> When I designed my old office, I just couldn't allow the hallway to have
> >>>>>>> a dead end. That would be a major design mistake. Having all the chi
> >>>>>>> just hitting that dead spot would be just asking for trouble.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Chi? Surely you don't believe in that twaddle, do you?
> >>>>>> Graham
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One thing I certainly do no believe in is the word "twaddle." As far as
> >>>>> Chi goes, can bajillions of Chinese be wong? Er... I mean "wrong?"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But seriously folks, I see no reason to not to use the concept as far as
> >>>>> architectural design goes. How we relate/interact to our environment and
> >>>>> how our surroundings affect us is certainly buried deep within our
> >>>>> psyche and originates to a time when we were living like wild animals.
> >>>>> These apprehensions about our environment is baggage we carry still.. I'm
> >>>>> Asian so I can attribute the flow of energy in a room to qi and having
> >>>>> that energy hit a dead end is unacceptable.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is a lot better than relying on some vague, unknown, feeling of
> >>>>> unease when describing uncomfortable spaces. We got a system in place
> >>>>> for this and Westerners got nothing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> OTOH, the building I'm in has 4 crystal balls on the corners of the
> >>>>> building - that's a lot of twaddle! Ahahahahaha!
> >>>>
> >>>> Fung shui boils down to practical design elements with a little
> >>>> mystical hocus pocus attached for added flair.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> sf
> >>>
> >>> Personally, I don't mind a bit of the mystical and unknown in our lives but it doesn't matter if one believes that there's energy flowing through the room or if the fire and water elements have to be in balance. I will not have any hallway that I design end in such an ungraceful way. To see something like that every day would be too depressing.
> >>>
> >> But there is some provable physics to it.
> >>
> >> Just like with acupuncture.
> >
> > Acupuncture is an easy way to get infections.
>
> Any licensed acupuncturist uses clean disposable needles in a sealed
> package.
>
> You dolt.
>
> > They are as effective as rubbing your chest
> > with vapor-rub...as in not very.
> > =====
>
> Ya know Roy, you really are as dumb as a stump.
>
> http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Acupunc.../Evidence.aspx
>
> What evidence is there for acupuncture?
> One of the largest and most respected organisations that carries out and
> publishes systematic reviews into the effectiveness of medical
> treatments is The Cochrane Collaboration.
> A number of systematic reviews into the effectiveness of acupuncture
> have been published by The Cochrane Collaboration, and the basic results
> are summarised below.
> Some positive evidence
> Systematic reviews carried out by The Cochrane Collaboration have found
> there is some evidence acupuncture may have a beneficial effect on the
> following conditions:
> chronic lower back pain
> tension-type headaches
> migraines
> nausea and vomiting after chemotherapy
> nausea and vomiting after surgery
> osteoarthritis
> neck pain
> irritable bowel syndrome (IBS)

Are you a licensed TROLL, in that you can dispense judgements of legitimate
posters with such abandon? I doubt that anything you say has any worth on this
user-group or any other for that matter.
======

Roy wrote:
> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 2:57:20 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
>> Roy wrote:
>>> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 1:48:40 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 13:21:58 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/17/2015 12:50 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 16/10/2015 2:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I designed my old office, I just couldn't allow the hallway to have
>>>>>>>>> a dead end. That would be a major design mistake. Having all the chi
>>>>>>>>> just hitting that dead spot would be just asking for trouble.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chi? Surely you don't believe in that twaddle, do you?
>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One thing I certainly do no believe in is the word "twaddle." As far as
>>>>>>> Chi goes, can bajillions of Chinese be wong? Er... I mean "wrong?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But seriously folks, I see no reason to not to use the concept as far as
>>>>>>> architectural design goes. How we relate/interact to our environment and
>>>>>>> how our surroundings affect us is certainly buried deep within our
>>>>>>> psyche and originates to a time when we were living like wild animals.
>>>>>>> These apprehensions about our environment is baggage we carry still. I'm
>>>>>>> Asian so I can attribute the flow of energy in a room to qi and having
>>>>>>> that energy hit a dead end is unacceptable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a lot better than relying on some vague, unknown, feeling of
>>>>>>> unease when describing uncomfortable spaces. We got a system in place
>>>>>>> for this and Westerners got nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OTOH, the building I'm in has 4 crystal balls on the corners of the
>>>>>>> building - that's a lot of twaddle! Ahahahahaha!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fung shui boils down to practical design elements with a little
>>>>>> mystical hocus pocus attached for added flair.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sf
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I don't mind a bit of the mystical and unknown in our lives but it doesn't matter if one believes that there's energy flowing through the room or if the fire and water elements have to be in balance. I will not have any hallway that I design end in such an ungraceful way. To see something like that every day would be too depressing.
>>>>>
>>>> But there is some provable physics to it.
>>>>
>>>> Just like with acupuncture.
>>>
>>> Acupuncture is an easy way to get infections.
>>
>> Any licensed acupuncturist uses clean disposable needles in a sealed
>> package.
>>
>> You dolt.
>>
>>> They are as effective as rubbing your chest
>>> with vapor-rub...as in not very.
>>> =====
>>
>> Ya know Roy, you really are as dumb as a stump.
>>
>> http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Acupunc.../Evidence.aspx
>>
>> What evidence is there for acupuncture?
>> One of the largest and most respected organisations that carries out and
>> publishes systematic reviews into the effectiveness of medical
>> treatments is The Cochrane Collaboration.
>> A number of systematic reviews into the effectiveness of acupuncture
>> have been published by The Cochrane Collaboration, and the basic results
>> are summarised below.
>> Some positive evidence
>> Systematic reviews carried out by The Cochrane Collaboration have found
>> there is some evidence acupuncture may have a beneficial effect on the
>> following conditions:
>> chronic lower back pain
>> tension-type headaches
>> migraines
>> nausea and vomiting after chemotherapy
>> nausea and vomiting after surgery
>> osteoarthritis
>> neck pain
>> irritable bowel syndrome (IBS)
>
> Are you a licensed TROLL, in that you can dispense judgements of legitimate
> posters with such abandon?


Define "legitimate".


< I doubt that anything you say has any worth on this
> user-group or any other for that matter.
> ======

Feel free to ignore me then.

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 17:32:25 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>A couple months ago I got a call from "the income tax department"
>telling me I had been audited and owed them money and had to pay it
>immediately.

Heh. We get that one too. I've apparently been in trouble with the tax
department twice so far... the last time, a message was left on my
machine from a 'Scott Thompson' from the Australian Tax Office, who
couldn't have sounded less anglo-saxon if he tried.

On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 3:36:10 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
> Roy wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 2:57:20 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
> >> Roy wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
> >>>> dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 1:48:40 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 13:21:58 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 10/17/2015 12:50 PM, graham wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 16/10/2015 2:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> When I designed my old office, I just couldn't allow the hallway to have
> >>>>>>>>> a dead end. That would be a major design mistake. Having all the chi
> >>>>>>>>> just hitting that dead spot would be just asking for trouble.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Chi? Surely you don't believe in that twaddle, do you?
> >>>>>>>> Graham
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> One thing I certainly do no believe in is the word "twaddle." As far as
> >>>>>>> Chi goes, can bajillions of Chinese be wong? Er... I mean "wrong?"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But seriously folks, I see no reason to not to use the concept as far as
> >>>>>>> architectural design goes. How we relate/interact to our environment and
> >>>>>>> how our surroundings affect us is certainly buried deep within our
> >>>>>>> psyche and originates to a time when we were living like wild animals.
> >>>>>>> These apprehensions about our environment is baggage we carry still. I'm
> >>>>>>> Asian so I can attribute the flow of energy in a room to qi and having
> >>>>>>> that energy hit a dead end is unacceptable.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is a lot better than relying on some vague, unknown, feeling of
> >>>>>>> unease when describing uncomfortable spaces. We got a system in place
> >>>>>>> for this and Westerners got nothing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> OTOH, the building I'm in has 4 crystal balls on the corners of the
> >>>>>>> building - that's a lot of twaddle! Ahahahahaha!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fung shui boils down to practical design elements with a little
> >>>>>> mystical hocus pocus attached for added flair.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> sf
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Personally, I don't mind a bit of the mystical and unknown in our lives but it doesn't matter if one believes that there's energy flowing through the room or if the fire and water elements have to be in balance. I will not have any hallway that I design end in such an ungraceful way. To see something like that every day would be too depressing.
> >>>>>
> >>>> But there is some provable physics to it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just like with acupuncture.
> >>>
> >>> Acupuncture is an easy way to get infections.
> >>
> >> Any licensed acupuncturist uses clean disposable needles in a sealed
> >> package.
> >>
> >> You dolt.
> >>
> >>> They are as effective as rubbing your chest
> >>> with vapor-rub...as in not very.
> >>> =====
> >>
> >> Ya know Roy, you really are as dumb as a stump.
> >>
> >> http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Acupunc.../Evidence.aspx
> >>
> >> What evidence is there for acupuncture?
> >> One of the largest and most respected organisations that carries out and
> >> publishes systematic reviews into the effectiveness of medical
> >> treatments is The Cochrane Collaboration.
> >> A number of systematic reviews into the effectiveness of acupuncture
> >> have been published by The Cochrane Collaboration, and the basic results
> >> are summarised below.
> >> Some positive evidence
> >> Systematic reviews carried out by The Cochrane Collaboration have found
> >> there is some evidence acupuncture may have a beneficial effect on the
> >> following conditions:
> >> chronic lower back pain
> >> tension-type headaches
> >> migraines
> >> nausea and vomiting after chemotherapy
> >> nausea and vomiting after surgery
> >> osteoarthritis
> >> neck pain
> >> irritable bowel syndrome (IBS)
> >
> > Are you a licensed TROLL, in that you can dispense judgements of legitimate
> > posters with such abandon?
>
>
> Define "legitimate".
>
>
> < I doubt that anything you say has any worth on this
> > user-group or any other for that matter.
> > ======
>
> Feel free to ignore me then.

Likewise...but you won't.
====

On 2015-10-18 4:38 PM, graham wrote:

>> Speaking of randomly selected samples.... I have to question the
>> validity of the polls whose results are being pulled out all the time. I
>> have no faith in them. They are only polling the people they call, which
>> means they are only polling the people who were at home, who answered
>> the phone and gave their time to answer the questions.
>>
> Poll methodology
>
> A national dual - frame (land and cell) random telephone survey is
> conducted
> nightly by Nanos Research throughout the campaign using live agents. Each
> evening a *NEW GROUP* of 400 eligible voters are interviewed. An
> oversample of
> 800 interviews was conducted on Friday and Saturday.
>
> The daily tracking figures are based on a three-day rolling sample composed
> of 2,000 interviews. To update the tracking a new day of interviewing is
> added and the oldest day dropped. The margin of error for a survey of 1,825
> decided voters is ±2.3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
>
> *Larger sample*
>
> Today's three-day rolling average is based on 2,000 interviews
> (800 interviews Saturday, 800 interviews Friday and 400 interviews
> Thursday).


I have a degree is a social science so I had to take courses in
probability and statistics. I worked on a number of research projects
at university and was a teaching assistant in a course on experimental
Psychology. I know a thing or two about research and random sampling.
That is why I question their methods. I mean.... over the course of one
month I was getting more than one call a week each week???? Come on.
That was not random.

And the more important issue.. the honesty of answers when people who
hate being pestered with phone calls is questionable.

Je�us wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 17:32:25 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> A couple months ago I got a call from "the income tax department"
>> telling me I had been audited and owed them money and had to pay it
>> immediately.
>
> Heh. We get that one too. I've apparently been in trouble with the tax
> department twice so far... the last time, a message was left on my
> machine from a 'Scott Thompson' from the Australian Tax Office, who
> couldn't have sounded less anglo-saxon if he tried.
>

So what was he, one of those people you call "stinking Abos"?

Roy (Stumpy) wrote:
> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 3:36:10 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
>> Roy wrote:
>>> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 2:57:20 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
>>>> Roy wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
>>>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 1:48:40 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 13:21:58 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/17/2015 12:50 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 16/10/2015 2:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When I designed my old office, I just couldn't allow the hallway to have
>>>>>>>>>>> a dead end. That would be a major design mistake. Having all the chi
>>>>>>>>>>> just hitting that dead spot would be just asking for trouble.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chi? Surely you don't believe in that twaddle, do you?
>>>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One thing I certainly do no believe in is the word "twaddle." As far as
>>>>>>>>> Chi goes, can bajillions of Chinese be wong? Er... I mean "wrong?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But seriously folks, I see no reason to not to use the concept as far as
>>>>>>>>> architectural design goes. How we relate/interact to our environment and
>>>>>>>>> how our surroundings affect us is certainly buried deep within our
>>>>>>>>> psyche and originates to a time when we were living like wild animals.
>>>>>>>>> These apprehensions about our environment is baggage we carry still. I'm
>>>>>>>>> Asian so I can attribute the flow of energy in a room to qi and having
>>>>>>>>> that energy hit a dead end is unacceptable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is a lot better than relying on some vague, unknown, feeling of
>>>>>>>>> unease when describing uncomfortable spaces. We got a system in place
>>>>>>>>> for this and Westerners got nothing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OTOH, the building I'm in has 4 crystal balls on the corners of the
>>>>>>>>> building - that's a lot of twaddle! Ahahahahaha!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fung shui boils down to practical design elements with a little
>>>>>>>> mystical hocus pocus attached for added flair.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally, I don't mind a bit of the mystical and unknown in our lives but it doesn't matter if one believes that there's energy flowing through the room or if the fire and water elements have to be in balance. I will not have any hallway that I design end in such an ungraceful way. To see something like that every day would be too depressing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> But there is some provable physics to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just like with acupuncture.
>>>>>
>>>>> Acupuncture is an easy way to get infections.
>>>>
>>>> Any licensed acupuncturist uses clean disposable needles in a sealed
>>>> package.
>>>>
>>>> You dolt.
>>>>
>>>>> They are as effective as rubbing your chest
>>>>> with vapor-rub...as in not very.
>>>>> =====
>>>>
>>>> Ya know Roy, you really are as dumb as a stump.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Acupunc.../Evidence.aspx
>>>>
>>>> What evidence is there for acupuncture?
>>>> One of the largest and most respected organisations that carries out and
>>>> publishes systematic reviews into the effectiveness of medical
>>>> treatments is The Cochrane Collaboration.
>>>> A number of systematic reviews into the effectiveness of acupuncture
>>>> have been published by The Cochrane Collaboration, and the basic results
>>>> are summarised below.
>>>> Some positive evidence
>>>> Systematic reviews carried out by The Cochrane Collaboration have found
>>>> there is some evidence acupuncture may have a beneficial effect on the
>>>> following conditions:
>>>> chronic lower back pain
>>>> tension-type headaches
>>>> migraines
>>>> nausea and vomiting after chemotherapy
>>>> nausea and vomiting after surgery
>>>> osteoarthritis
>>>> neck pain
>>>> irritable bowel syndrome (IBS)
>>>
>>> Are you a licensed TROLL, in that you can dispense judgements of legitimate
>>> posters with such abandon?
>>
>>
>> Define "legitimate".
>>
>>
>> < I doubt that anything you say has any worth on this
>>> user-group or any other for that matter.
>>> ======
>>
>> Feel free to ignore me then.
>
> Likewise...but you won't.
> ====
>
Eh?

is that a challenge, Stumpy?

Hope you like your new handle...

On 18/10/2015 3:33 PM, Questa wrote:
> graham wrote:
>> On 18/10/2015 2:44 PM, Roy wrote:
>>> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 1:48:40 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 13:21:58 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/17/2015 12:50 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 16/10/2015 2:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I designed my old office, I just couldn't allow the hallway
>>>>>>>>> to have
>>>>>>>>> a dead end. That would be a major design mistake. Having all the
>>>>>>>>> chi
>>>>>>>>> just hitting that dead spot would be just asking for trouble.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chi? Surely you don't believe in that twaddle, do you?
>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One thing I certainly do no believe in is the word "twaddle." As
>>>>>>> far as
>>>>>>> Chi goes, can bajillions of Chinese be wong? Er... I mean "wrong?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But seriously folks, I see no reason to not to use the concept as
>>>>>>> far as
>>>>>>> architectural design goes. How we relate/interact to our
>>>>>>> environment and
>>>>>>> how our surroundings affect us is certainly buried deep within our
>>>>>>> psyche and originates to a time when we were living like wild
>>>>>>> animals.
>>>>>>> These apprehensions about our environment is baggage we carry
>>>>>>> still. I'm
>>>>>>> Asian so I can attribute the flow of energy in a room to qi and
>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>> that energy hit a dead end is unacceptable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a lot better than relying on some vague, unknown, feeling of
>>>>>>> unease when describing uncomfortable spaces. We got a system in
>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>> for this and Westerners got nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OTOH, the building I'm in has 4 crystal balls on the corners of the
>>>>>>> building - that's a lot of twaddle! Ahahahahaha!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fung shui boils down to practical design elements with a little
>>>>>> mystical hocus pocus attached for added flair.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sf
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I don't mind a bit of the mystical and unknown in our
>>>>> lives but it doesn't matter if one believes that there's energy
>>>>> flowing through the room or if the fire and water elements have to
>>>>> be in balance. I will not have any hallway that I design end in such
>>>>> an ungraceful way. To see something like that every day would be too
>>>>> depressing.
>>>>>
>>>> But there is some provable physics to it.
>>>>
>>>> Just like with acupuncture.
>>>
>>> Acupuncture is an easy way to get infections. They are as effective as
>>> rubbing your chest
>>> with vapor-rub...as in not very.
>>> =====
>>>
>> It has also been proven to be a placebo.
>> Graham
>
> Nope, you're LYING!
>
You clearly don't read SCIENTIFIC literature but only the crap in the
aisles of "health" food stores.
Your arguments have absolutely NO credibility. Stay happy in your dream
world.

graham wrote:
> On 18/10/2015 3:33 PM, Questa wrote:
>> graham wrote:
>>> On 18/10/2015 2:44 PM, Roy wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
>>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 1:48:40 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 13:21:58 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/17/2015 12:50 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 16/10/2015 2:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When I designed my old office, I just couldn't allow the hallway
>>>>>>>>>> to have
>>>>>>>>>> a dead end. That would be a major design mistake. Having all the
>>>>>>>>>> chi
>>>>>>>>>> just hitting that dead spot would be just asking for trouble.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chi? Surely you don't believe in that twaddle, do you?
>>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One thing I certainly do no believe in is the word "twaddle." As
>>>>>>>> far as
>>>>>>>> Chi goes, can bajillions of Chinese be wong? Er... I mean "wrong?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But seriously folks, I see no reason to not to use the concept as
>>>>>>>> far as
>>>>>>>> architectural design goes. How we relate/interact to our
>>>>>>>> environment and
>>>>>>>> how our surroundings affect us is certainly buried deep within our
>>>>>>>> psyche and originates to a time when we were living like wild
>>>>>>>> animals.
>>>>>>>> These apprehensions about our environment is baggage we carry
>>>>>>>> still. I'm
>>>>>>>> Asian so I can attribute the flow of energy in a room to qi and
>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>> that energy hit a dead end is unacceptable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is a lot better than relying on some vague, unknown,
>>>>>>>> feeling of
>>>>>>>> unease when describing uncomfortable spaces. We got a system in
>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>> for this and Westerners got nothing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OTOH, the building I'm in has 4 crystal balls on the corners of the
>>>>>>>> building - that's a lot of twaddle! Ahahahahaha!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fung shui boils down to practical design elements with a little
>>>>>>> mystical hocus pocus attached for added flair.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally, I don't mind a bit of the mystical and unknown in our
>>>>>> lives but it doesn't matter if one believes that there's energy
>>>>>> flowing through the room or if the fire and water elements have to
>>>>>> be in balance. I will not have any hallway that I design end in such
>>>>>> an ungraceful way. To see something like that every day would be too
>>>>>> depressing.
>>>>>>
>>>>> But there is some provable physics to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just like with acupuncture.
>>>>
>>>> Acupuncture is an easy way to get infections. They are as effective as
>>>> rubbing your chest
>>>> with vapor-rub...as in not very.
>>>> =====
>>>>
>>> It has also been proven to be a placebo.
>>> Graham
>>
>> Nope, you're LYING!
>>
> You clearly don't read SCIENTIFIC literature but only the crap in the
> aisles of "health" food stores.
> Your arguments have absolutely NO credibility. Stay happy in your dream
> world.
>

Britain's NHS agrees with me, fool.

Feel free to tell your royal masters they're wrong.

On 18/10/2015 3:56 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-10-18 4:38 PM, graham wrote:
>
>>> Speaking of randomly selected samples.... I have to question the
>>> validity of the polls whose results are being pulled out all the time. I
>>> have no faith in them. They are only polling the people they call, which
>>> means they are only polling the people who were at home, who answered
>>> the phone and gave their time to answer the questions.
>>>
>> Poll methodology
>>
>> A national dual - frame (land and cell) random telephone survey is
>> conducted
>> nightly by Nanos Research throughout the campaign using live agents. Each
>> evening a *NEW GROUP* of 400 eligible voters are interviewed. An
>> oversample of
>> 800 interviews was conducted on Friday and Saturday.
>>
>> The daily tracking figures are based on a three-day rolling sample
>> composed
>> of 2,000 interviews. To update the tracking a new day of interviewing is
>> added and the oldest day dropped. The margin of error for a survey of
>> 1,825
>> decided voters is ±2.3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
>>
>> *Larger sample*
>>
>> Today's three-day rolling average is based on 2,000 interviews
>> (800 interviews Saturday, 800 interviews Friday and 400 interviews
>> Thursday).
>
>
> I have a degree is a social science so I had to take courses in
> probability and statistics. I worked on a number of research projects
> at university and was a teaching assistant in a course on experimental
> Psychology. I know a thing or two about research and random sampling.
> That is why I question their methods. I mean.... over the course of one
> month I was getting more than one call a week each week???? Come on.
> That was not random.
>
> And the more important issue.. the honesty of answers when people who
> hate being pestered with phone calls is questionable.

Let's face it Dave, from your previous posts you appear to be a Harper
supporter and don't like the polls going the other way.
Graham

On 18/10/2015 6:54 PM, Questa wrote:
> graham wrote:
>> On 18/10/2015 3:33 PM, Questa wrote:
>>> graham wrote:
>>>> On 18/10/2015 2:44 PM, Roy wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
>>>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 1:48:40 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 13:21:58 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/17/2015 12:50 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 16/10/2015 2:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When I designed my old office, I just couldn't allow the hallway
>>>>>>>>>>> to have
>>>>>>>>>>> a dead end. That would be a major design mistake. Having all the
>>>>>>>>>>> chi
>>>>>>>>>>> just hitting that dead spot would be just asking for trouble.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chi? Surely you don't believe in that twaddle, do you?
>>>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One thing I certainly do no believe in is the word "twaddle." As
>>>>>>>>> far as
>>>>>>>>> Chi goes, can bajillions of Chinese be wong? Er... I mean "wrong?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But seriously folks, I see no reason to not to use the concept as
>>>>>>>>> far as
>>>>>>>>> architectural design goes. How we relate/interact to our
>>>>>>>>> environment and
>>>>>>>>> how our surroundings affect us is certainly buried deep within our
>>>>>>>>> psyche and originates to a time when we were living like wild
>>>>>>>>> animals.
>>>>>>>>> These apprehensions about our environment is baggage we carry
>>>>>>>>> still. I'm
>>>>>>>>> Asian so I can attribute the flow of energy in a room to qi and
>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>> that energy hit a dead end is unacceptable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is a lot better than relying on some vague, unknown,
>>>>>>>>> feeling of
>>>>>>>>> unease when describing uncomfortable spaces. We got a system in
>>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>>> for this and Westerners got nothing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OTOH, the building I'm in has 4 crystal balls on the corners of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> building - that's a lot of twaddle! Ahahahahaha!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fung shui boils down to practical design elements with a little
>>>>>>>> mystical hocus pocus attached for added flair.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally, I don't mind a bit of the mystical and unknown in our
>>>>>>> lives but it doesn't matter if one believes that there's energy
>>>>>>> flowing through the room or if the fire and water elements have to
>>>>>>> be in balance. I will not have any hallway that I design end in such
>>>>>>> an ungraceful way. To see something like that every day would be too
>>>>>>> depressing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> But there is some provable physics to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just like with acupuncture.
>>>>>
>>>>> Acupuncture is an easy way to get infections. They are as effective as
>>>>> rubbing your chest
>>>>> with vapor-rub...as in not very.
>>>>> =====
>>>>>
>>>> It has also been proven to be a placebo.
>>>> Graham
>>>
>>> Nope, you're LYING!
>>>
>> You clearly don't read SCIENTIFIC literature but only the crap in the
>> aisles of "health" food stores.
>> Your arguments have absolutely NO credibility. Stay happy in your dream
>> world.
>>
>
> Britain's NHS agrees with me, fool.
>
> Feel free to tell your royal masters they're wrong.
>
>
No! You are the fool, writ large!
The fact that the NHS supports a quack hospital is due to a political
decision. It's NOT supported by the intelligentsia who are trying to get
the Govt to reverse its stance!

graham wrote:
> On 18/10/2015 3:56 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2015-10-18 4:38 PM, graham wrote:
>>
>>>> Speaking of randomly selected samples.... I have to question the
>>>> validity of the polls whose results are being pulled out all the
>>>> time. I
>>>> have no faith in them. They are only polling the people they call,
>>>> which
>>>> means they are only polling the people who were at home, who answered
>>>> the phone and gave their time to answer the questions.
>>>>
>>> Poll methodology
>>>
>>> A national dual - frame (land and cell) random telephone survey is
>>> conducted
>>> nightly by Nanos Research throughout the campaign using live agents.
>>> Each
>>> evening a *NEW GROUP* of 400 eligible voters are interviewed. An
>>> oversample of
>>> 800 interviews was conducted on Friday and Saturday.
>>>
>>> The daily tracking figures are based on a three-day rolling sample
>>> composed
>>> of 2,000 interviews. To update the tracking a new day of interviewing is
>>> added and the oldest day dropped. The margin of error for a survey of
>>> 1,825
>>> decided voters is ±2.3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
>>>
>>> *Larger sample*
>>>
>>> Today's three-day rolling average is based on 2,000 interviews
>>> (800 interviews Saturday, 800 interviews Friday and 400 interviews
>>> Thursday).
>>
>>
>> I have a degree is a social science so I had to take courses in
>> probability and statistics. I worked on a number of research projects
>> at university and was a teaching assistant in a course on experimental
>> Psychology. I know a thing or two about research and random sampling.
>> That is why I question their methods. I mean.... over the course of one
>> month I was getting more than one call a week each week???? Come on.
>> That was not random.
>>
>> And the more important issue.. the honesty of answers when people who
>> hate being pestered with phone calls is questionable.
>
> Let's face it Dave, from your previous posts you appear to be a Harper
> supporter and don't like the polls going the other way.
> Graham

Let's face it leftard, the polls are rigged!

On 2015-10-18 20:55, graham wrote:

>> And the more important issue.. the honesty of answers when people who
>> hate being pestered with phone calls is questionable.
>
> Let's face it Dave, from your previous posts you appear to be a Harper
> supporter and don't like the polls going the other way.

Let's face it graham, you are just saying that because you can't
honestly dispute the fact that the CBC has been terribly biased against
the Conservatives. They are almost as biased against the NDP. When I
listened to the news this morning there was a long bit about the
glorious rally by the Liberals for Trudeau. It was followed by a
shorter report about a less enthusiastic rally by the NDP for Mulcair.
Then there was brief report about the rally for Harper, with emphasis
about the fact that the Fords were there.

Whether you like Harper or detest him, no honest, intelligent person
could possibly deny the obvious bias.

graham wrote:
> On 18/10/2015 6:54 PM, Questa wrote:
>> graham wrote:
>>> On 18/10/2015 3:33 PM, Questa wrote:
>>>> graham wrote:
>>>>> On 18/10/2015 2:44 PM, Roy wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
>>>>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 1:48:40 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 13:21:58 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/17/2015 12:50 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 16/10/2015 2:36 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When I designed my old office, I just couldn't allow the
>>>>>>>>>>>> hallway
>>>>>>>>>>>> to have
>>>>>>>>>>>> a dead end. That would be a major design mistake. Having all
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> chi
>>>>>>>>>>>> just hitting that dead spot would be just asking for trouble.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chi? Surely you don't believe in that twaddle, do you?
>>>>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One thing I certainly do no believe in is the word "twaddle." As
>>>>>>>>>> far as
>>>>>>>>>> Chi goes, can bajillions of Chinese be wong? Er... I mean
>>>>>>>>>> "wrong?"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But seriously folks, I see no reason to not to use the concept as
>>>>>>>>>> far as
>>>>>>>>>> architectural design goes. How we relate/interact to our
>>>>>>>>>> environment and
>>>>>>>>>> how our surroundings affect us is certainly buried deep within
>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>> psyche and originates to a time when we were living like wild
>>>>>>>>>> animals.
>>>>>>>>>> These apprehensions about our environment is baggage we carry
>>>>>>>>>> still. I'm
>>>>>>>>>> Asian so I can attribute the flow of energy in a room to qi and
>>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>> that energy hit a dead end is unacceptable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is a lot better than relying on some vague, unknown,
>>>>>>>>>> feeling of
>>>>>>>>>> unease when describing uncomfortable spaces. We got a system in
>>>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>>>> for this and Westerners got nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OTOH, the building I'm in has 4 crystal balls on the corners of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> building - that's a lot of twaddle! Ahahahahaha!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fung shui boils down to practical design elements with a little
>>>>>>>>> mystical hocus pocus attached for added flair.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Personally, I don't mind a bit of the mystical and unknown in our
>>>>>>>> lives but it doesn't matter if one believes that there's energy
>>>>>>>> flowing through the room or if the fire and water elements have to
>>>>>>>> be in balance. I will not have any hallway that I design end in
>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>> an ungraceful way. To see something like that every day would be
>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>> depressing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But there is some provable physics to it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just like with acupuncture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Acupuncture is an easy way to get infections. They are as
>>>>>> effective as
>>>>>> rubbing your chest
>>>>>> with vapor-rub...as in not very.
>>>>>> =====
>>>>>>
>>>>> It has also been proven to be a placebo.
>>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>> Nope, you're LYING!
>>>>
>>> You clearly don't read SCIENTIFIC literature but only the crap in the
>>> aisles of "health" food stores.
>>> Your arguments have absolutely NO credibility. Stay happy in your dream
>>> world.
>>>
>>
>> Britain's NHS agrees with me, fool.
>>
>> Feel free to tell your royal masters they're wrong.
>>
>>
> No! You are the fool, writ large!

Oh?

> The fact that the NHS supports a quack hospital is due to a political
> decision.

Whose?

Citation?

> It's NOT supported by the intelligentsia who are trying to get
> the Govt to reverse its stance!

The what???

LOL!


http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/0...in-study/?_r=0

On 18/10/2015 7:12 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-10-18 20:55, graham wrote:
>
>>> And the more important issue.. the honesty of answers when people who
>>> hate being pestered with phone calls is questionable.
>>
>> Let's face it Dave, from your previous posts you appear to be a Harper
>> supporter and don't like the polls going the other way.
>
> Let's face it graham, you are just saying that because you can't
> honestly dispute the fact that the CBC has been terribly biased against
> the Conservatives. They are almost as biased against the NDP. When I
> listened to the news this morning there was a long bit about the
> glorious rally by the Liberals for Trudeau. It was followed by a
> shorter report about a less enthusiastic rally by the NDP for Mulcair.
> Then there was brief report about the rally for Harper, with emphasis
> about the fact that the Fords were there.
>
> Whether you like Harper or detest him, no honest, intelligent person
> could possibly deny the obvious bias.
>
There's certainly somewhat of a bias - but look at the demographic of
CBC followers. OTOH, the bias of Post Media towards the RW is even more
pronounced.

On 18/10/2015 7:12 PM, Questa wrote:
> graham wrote:
>> On 18/10/2015 3:56 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2015-10-18 4:38 PM, graham wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Speaking of randomly selected samples.... I have to question the
>>>>> validity of the polls whose results are being pulled out all the
>>>>> time. I
>>>>> have no faith in them. They are only polling the people they call,
>>>>> which
>>>>> means they are only polling the people who were at home, who answered
>>>>> the phone and gave their time to answer the questions.
>>>>>
>>>> Poll methodology
>>>>
>>>> A national dual - frame (land and cell) random telephone survey is
>>>> conducted
>>>> nightly by Nanos Research throughout the campaign using live agents.
>>>> Each
>>>> evening a *NEW GROUP* of 400 eligible voters are interviewed. An
>>>> oversample of
>>>> 800 interviews was conducted on Friday and Saturday.
>>>>
>>>> The daily tracking figures are based on a three-day rolling sample
>>>> composed
>>>> of 2,000 interviews. To update the tracking a new day of
>>>> interviewing is
>>>> added and the oldest day dropped. The margin of error for a survey of
>>>> 1,825
>>>> decided voters is ±2.3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
>>>>
>>>> *Larger sample*
>>>>
>>>> Today's three-day rolling average is based on 2,000 interviews
>>>> (800 interviews Saturday, 800 interviews Friday and 400 interviews
>>>> Thursday).
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a degree is a social science so I had to take courses in
>>> probability and statistics. I worked on a number of research projects
>>> at university and was a teaching assistant in a course on experimental
>>> Psychology. I know a thing or two about research and random sampling.
>>> That is why I question their methods. I mean.... over the course of one
>>> month I was getting more than one call a week each week???? Come on.
>>> That was not random.
>>>
>>> And the more important issue.. the honesty of answers when people who
>>> hate being pestered with phone calls is questionable.
>>
>> Let's face it Dave, from your previous posts you appear to be a Harper
>> supporter and don't like the polls going the other way.
>> Graham
>
> Let's face it leftard, the polls are rigged!
Let's face it retard, your opinion counts for nothing!

graham wrote:
> On 18/10/2015 7:12 PM, Questa wrote:
>> graham wrote:
>>> On 18/10/2015 3:56 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2015-10-18 4:38 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking of randomly selected samples.... I have to question the
>>>>>> validity of the polls whose results are being pulled out all the
>>>>>> time. I
>>>>>> have no faith in them. They are only polling the people they call,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> means they are only polling the people who were at home, who answered
>>>>>> the phone and gave their time to answer the questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Poll methodology
>>>>>
>>>>> A national dual - frame (land and cell) random telephone survey is
>>>>> conducted
>>>>> nightly by Nanos Research throughout the campaign using live agents.
>>>>> Each
>>>>> evening a *NEW GROUP* of 400 eligible voters are interviewed. An
>>>>> oversample of
>>>>> 800 interviews was conducted on Friday and Saturday.
>>>>>
>>>>> The daily tracking figures are based on a three-day rolling sample
>>>>> composed
>>>>> of 2,000 interviews. To update the tracking a new day of
>>>>> interviewing is
>>>>> added and the oldest day dropped. The margin of error for a survey of
>>>>> 1,825
>>>>> decided voters is ±2.3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Larger sample*
>>>>>
>>>>> Today's three-day rolling average is based on 2,000 interviews
>>>>> (800 interviews Saturday, 800 interviews Friday and 400 interviews
>>>>> Thursday).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a degree is a social science so I had to take courses in
>>>> probability and statistics. I worked on a number of research projects
>>>> at university and was a teaching assistant in a course on experimental
>>>> Psychology. I know a thing or two about research and random sampling.
>>>> That is why I question their methods. I mean.... over the course of one
>>>> month I was getting more than one call a week each week???? Come on.
>>>> That was not random.
>>>>
>>>> And the more important issue.. the honesty of answers when people who
>>>> hate being pestered with phone calls is questionable.
>>>
>>> Let's face it Dave, from your previous posts you appear to be a Harper
>>> supporter and don't like the polls going the other way.
>>> Graham
>>
>> Let's face it leftard, the polls are rigged!
> Let's face it retard, your opinion counts for nothing!


Oh no, you Canucks rip us all the time , now turnabout is NOT fair play?

It is to laugh!!!!

Trudeau yourselves into a full blown depression, you've earned that
$5/hr. day care!

LOL!

On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 3:15:46 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/18/2015 2:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >
> > I started giving them contradictory answers. In a poll on our provincial
> > with three parties running I was asked which leader I thought would
> > make the best premier, which party I thought would give us the best
> > government and which candidate I thought would do the best job. I gave
> > them one leaders's name, a different party and the candidate from the
> > third.
> >
> > After that, I refused to do their polls. Son of a gun, I was no longer
> > being selected at random for the polls.
> >
>
> I'd have thought by now that pollsters and telemarketers would have a
> "do not call this asshole" list. I'd be on it.
>
> I got excited when the guy selling solar panels said he could cut my
> electric bill in half. I told him my last bill was $27 and I'd
> appreciate the savings.
>
> Told the car warranty guy I speak only Polish. (I used all ten words
> that I know too)
>
> Kept the Windows scammer on for a log time and asked him to pray for the
> computer with me. He hung up when I told him I was lighting insense and
> chanting.

"It's hard to get a refund if the salesman is sniffing your crotch and
baying at the moon"
--Cerebus the Aardvark

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 4:38:27 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
> On 18/10/2015 12:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2015-10-18 1:43 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> >> It's up to those who believe in it to prove its efficacy. Preferably
> >> with a controlled double-blind study conducted on a randomly selected,
> >> statistically-significant-sized sample.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Speaking of randomly selected samples.... I have to question the
> > validity of the polls whose results are being pulled out all the time. I
> > have no faith in them. They are only polling the people they call, which
> > means they are only polling the people who were at home, who answered
> > the phone and gave their time to answer the questions.
> >
> Poll methodology
>
> A national dual - frame (land and cell) random telephone survey is
> conducted
> nightly by Nanos Research throughout the campaign using live agents. Each
> evening a *NEW GROUP* of 400 eligible voters are interviewed. An
> oversample of
> 800 interviews was conducted on Friday and Saturday.
>
> The daily tracking figures are based on a three-day rolling sample composed
> of 2,000 interviews. To update the tracking a new day of interviewing is
> added and the oldest day dropped. The margin of error for a survey of 1,825
> decided voters is ±2.3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
>
> *Larger sample*
>
> Today's three-day rolling average is based on 2,000 interviews
> (800 interviews Saturday, 800 interviews Friday and 400 interviews
> Thursday).

Thanks. That was wonderful.

Now if only the believers could show me the results of a proper test
of feng shui published in, for example, the Journal of Applied Physics.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 21:12:13 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-10-18 20:55, graham wrote:
>
>>> And the more important issue.. the honesty of answers when people who
>>> hate being pestered with phone calls is questionable.
>>
>> Let's face it Dave, from your previous posts you appear to be a Harper
>> supporter and don't like the polls going the other way.
>
>Let's face it graham, you are just saying that because you can't
>honestly dispute the fact that the CBC has been terribly biased against
>the Conservatives. They are almost as biased against the NDP. When I
>listened to the news this morning there was a long bit about the
>glorious rally by the Liberals for Trudeau. It was followed by a
>shorter report about a less enthusiastic rally by the NDP for Mulcair.
>Then there was brief report about the rally for Harper, with emphasis
>about the fact that the Fords were there.
>
>Whether you like Harper or detest him, no honest, intelligent person
>could possibly deny the obvious bias.

In just about every boring item I have watched about the election the
CBC has religiously done the Harper bit first, with a switch on
Trudeau and Mulcair, starting by Mulcair first then changing when
Trudeaus stats in the polls increased.

I feel that is about as even as they can be - as for the Fords, even
Harper himself was choking on their name! He only attended those
do's because he had to get the Ford Nation.

If you can't see that - you're blind! Calling such a long election
period has not worked the way Harper thought it would. In his
arrogance he thought it would give him a majority, of seats if not
votes, and it has gone to dust in his hands.

On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 03:18:49 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 4:38:27 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
>> On 18/10/2015 12:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > On 2015-10-18 1:43 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's up to those who believe in it to prove its efficacy. Preferably
>> >> with a controlled double-blind study conducted on a randomly selected,
>> >> statistically-significant-sized sample.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Speaking of randomly selected samples.... I have to question the
>> > validity of the polls whose results are being pulled out all the time. I
>> > have no faith in them. They are only polling the people they call, which
>> > means they are only polling the people who were at home, who answered
>> > the phone and gave their time to answer the questions.
>> >
>> Poll methodology
>>
>> A national dual - frame (land and cell) random telephone survey is
>> conducted
>> nightly by Nanos Research throughout the campaign using live agents. Each
>> evening a *NEW GROUP* of 400 eligible voters are interviewed. An
>> oversample of
>> 800 interviews was conducted on Friday and Saturday.
>>
>> The daily tracking figures are based on a three-day rolling sample composed
>> of 2,000 interviews. To update the tracking a new day of interviewing is
>> added and the oldest day dropped. The margin of error for a survey of 1,825
>> decided voters is ±2.3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
>>
>> *Larger sample*
>>
>> Today's three-day rolling average is based on 2,000 interviews
>> (800 interviews Saturday, 800 interviews Friday and 400 interviews
>> Thursday).
>
>Thanks. That was wonderful.
>
>Now if only the believers could show me the results of a proper test
>of feng shui published in, for example, the Journal of Applied Physics.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

A "proper" test? Like objective, you mean? Impossible to do, since
what you are taslking abouit is a subjective prenomenon! Like asking
if there is an instrument to measure a patient's pain, which at
present we do not have! It;s all up to the interpretations of the
signs/symptoms exhibited BY the patient!

John Kuthe...

On 2015-10-19 7:11 AM, wrote:

> In just about every boring item I have watched about the election the
> CBC has religiously done the Harper bit first, with a switch on
> Trudeau and Mulcair, starting by Mulcair first then changing when
> Trudeaus stats in the polls increased.
>
> I feel that is about as even as they can be - as for the Fords, even
> Harper himself was choking on their name! He only attended those
> do's because he had to get the Ford Nation.
>
The Fords may be jerks, but they have a lot of supporters.


> If you can't see that - you're blind! Calling such a long election
> period has not worked the way Harper thought it would. In his
> arrogance he thought it would give him a majority, of seats if not
> votes, and it has gone to dust in his hands.

I explained to you before. We now have fixed election dates. The vote
was going to be held today no matter when it was announced. It should
not be a surprise to anyone.

On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:42:37 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2015-10-19 7:11 AM, wrote:
>
>> In just about every boring item I have watched about the election the
>> CBC has religiously done the Harper bit first, with a switch on
>> Trudeau and Mulcair, starting by Mulcair first then changing when
>> Trudeaus stats in the polls increased.
>>
>> I feel that is about as even as they can be - as for the Fords, even
>> Harper himself was choking on their name! He only attended those
>> do's because he had to get the Ford Nation.
>>
> The Fords may be jerks, but they have a lot of supporters.
>
>
>> If you can't see that - you're blind! Calling such a long election
>> period has not worked the way Harper thought it would. In his
>> arrogance he thought it would give him a majority, of seats if not
>> votes, and it has gone to dust in his hands.
>
>I explained to you before. We now have fixed election dates. The vote
>was going to be held today no matter when it was announced. It should
>not be a surprise to anyone.
>
Sigh - it was HIS decision to drop the writ so early leading to the
longest election period since sometime in the early 1800s (I think it
was then) Yes, I know we have fixed election dates but it would seem
you are missing a few facts.

On 10/18/2015 5:34 PM, Roy wrote:
> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 2:57:20 PM UTC-6, Questa wrote:
>> Roy wrote:
>> Any licensed acupuncturist uses clean disposable needles in a sealed
>> package.
>>
>> You dolt.
>>
>>> They are as effective as rubbing your chest
>>> with vapor-rub...as in not very.
>>> =====
>>
>> Ya know Roy, you really are as dumb as a stump.
>>
>> http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Acupunc.../Evidence.aspx
>>
>> What evidence is there for acupuncture?
>> One of the largest and most respected organisations that carries out and
>> publishes systematic reviews into the effectiveness of medical
>> treatments is The Cochrane Collaboration.

Sure, because those Cochranes, they're so in tune with the Chinese.

> Are you a licensed TROLL, in that you can dispense judgements of legitimate
> posters with such abandon? I doubt that anything you say has any worth on this
> user-group or any other for that matter.
> ======
>
>
Funny! I tend not to take any of this ancient chinese secret stuff
seriously. Then again, I don't sit around worrying about my chi or my
chakra.

Jill

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 4:38:27 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
>> On 18/10/2015 12:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2015-10-18 1:43 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's up to those who believe in it to prove its efficacy. Preferably
>>>> with a controlled double-blind study conducted on a randomly selected,
>>>> statistically-significant-sized sample.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Speaking of randomly selected samples.... I have to question the
>>> validity of the polls whose results are being pulled out all the time. I
>>> have no faith in them. They are only polling the people they call, which
>>> means they are only polling the people who were at home, who answered
>>> the phone and gave their time to answer the questions.
>>>
>> Poll methodology
>>
>> A national dual - frame (land and cell) random telephone survey is
>> conducted
>> nightly by Nanos Research throughout the campaign using live agents. Each
>> evening a *NEW GROUP* of 400 eligible voters are interviewed. An
>> oversample of
>> 800 interviews was conducted on Friday and Saturday.
>>
>> The daily tracking figures are based on a three-day rolling sample composed
>> of 2,000 interviews. To update the tracking a new day of interviewing is
>> added and the oldest day dropped. The margin of error for a survey of 1,825
>> decided voters is ±2.3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
>>
>> *Larger sample*
>>
>> Today's three-day rolling average is based on 2,000 interviews
>> (800 interviews Saturday, 800 interviews Friday and 400 interviews
>> Thursday).
>
> Thanks. That was wonderful.
>
> Now if only the believers could show me the results of a proper test
> of feng shui published in, for example, the Journal of Applied Physics.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Why?

Your DIS-belief is just another form of belief.

You're just not worth trying to recalibrate.

wrote:
> In just about every boring item I have watched about the election the
> CBC has religiously done the Harper bit first,

Oh give it up shrew, they're in the tank for Trudeau - everyone knows it.

On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 11:57:07 AM UTC-4, Questa wrote:

> Your DIS-belief is just another form of belief.
>
> You're just not worth trying to recalibrate.

Yet you continue to try. I advise you abandon the effort.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 11:57:07 AM UTC-4, Questa wrote:
>
>> Your DIS-belief is just another form of belief.
>>
>> You're just not worth trying to recalibrate.
>
> Yet you continue to try.

You asked, so I answered.

> I advise you abandon the effort.
>
> Cindy Hamilton


I have, you're far too belief-driven to reason with.

Odd trait for an engineer to have.

On 19/10/2015 4:18 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 4:38:27 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
>> On 18/10/2015 12:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2015-10-18 1:43 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's up to those who believe in it to prove its efficacy. Preferably
>>>> with a controlled double-blind study conducted on a randomly selected,
>>>> statistically-significant-sized sample.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Speaking of randomly selected samples.... I have to question the
>>> validity of the polls whose results are being pulled out all the time. I
>>> have no faith in them. They are only polling the people they call, which
>>> means they are only polling the people who were at home, who answered
>>> the phone and gave their time to answer the questions.
>>>
>> Poll methodology
>>
>> A national dual - frame (land and cell) random telephone survey is
>> conducted
>> nightly by Nanos Research throughout the campaign using live agents. Each
>> evening a *NEW GROUP* of 400 eligible voters are interviewed. An
>> oversample of
>> 800 interviews was conducted on Friday and Saturday.
>>
>> The daily tracking figures are based on a three-day rolling sample composed
>> of 2,000 interviews. To update the tracking a new day of interviewing is
>> added and the oldest day dropped. The margin of error for a survey of 1,825
>> decided voters is ±2.3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
>>
>> *Larger sample*
>>
>> Today's three-day rolling average is based on 2,000 interviews
>> (800 interviews Saturday, 800 interviews Friday and 400 interviews
>> Thursday).
>
> Thanks. That was wonderful.
>
> Now if only the believers could show me the results of a proper test
> of feng shui published in, for example, the Journal of Applied Physics.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
They can't! Results are mentioned in quackmags as "Studies show
that...." and any reference is always to another quackmag. And those
quackmags rely on anecdotal information only.
As rational people know, the plural of "anecdote" is *not* "data".
Graham

graham wrote:
> On 19/10/2015 4:18 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 4:38:27 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
>>> On 18/10/2015 12:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2015-10-18 1:43 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's up to those who believe in it to prove its efficacy. Preferably
>>>>> with a controlled double-blind study conducted on a randomly selected,
>>>>> statistically-significant-sized sample.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of randomly selected samples.... I have to question the
>>>> validity of the polls whose results are being pulled out all the
>>>> time. I
>>>> have no faith in them. They are only polling the people they call,
>>>> which
>>>> means they are only polling the people who were at home, who answered
>>>> the phone and gave their time to answer the questions.
>>>>
>>> Poll methodology
>>>
>>> A national dual - frame (land and cell) random telephone survey is
>>> conducted
>>> nightly by Nanos Research throughout the campaign using live agents.
>>> Each
>>> evening a *NEW GROUP* of 400 eligible voters are interviewed. An
>>> oversample of
>>> 800 interviews was conducted on Friday and Saturday.
>>>
>>> The daily tracking figures are based on a three-day rolling sample
>>> composed
>>> of 2,000 interviews. To update the tracking a new day of interviewing is
>>> added and the oldest day dropped. The margin of error for a survey of
>>> 1,825
>>> decided voters is ±2.3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.
>>>
>>> *Larger sample*
>>>
>>> Today's three-day rolling average is based on 2,000 interviews
>>> (800 interviews Saturday, 800 interviews Friday and 400 interviews
>>> Thursday).
>>
>> Thanks. That was wonderful.
>>
>> Now if only the believers could show me the results of a proper test
>> of feng shui published in, for example, the Journal of Applied Physics.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> They can't! Results are mentioned in quackmags as "Studies show
> that...." and any reference is always to another quackmag. And those
> quackmags rely on anecdotal information only.

That's a damnable LIE!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-evidence.html

NAUSEA

The evidence: There is more evidence available to show that acupuncture
works for nausea than for any other medical condition.

In addition to many hundreds of smaller studies, there have been at
least 20 trials - tests carried out under certain strict clinical
conditions - on acupuncture treatment for nausea, associated with
morning sickness, chemotherapy and nausea after surgery.

In two out of four trials, scientists found that nausea after surgery
could be significantly reduced by the treatment. Acupuncture has also
been found to be particularly useful for relieving nausea caused by
chemotherapy or radiotherapy.

A study in 1991 showed that chemotherapy-related nausea could be
significantly reduced by treatment and another review in 1996 into a
certain acupuncture point on the palm found a significant reduction in
nausea after acupuncture treatment.

Other trials show that acupuncture can help pregnancy-related nausea.

DENTAL PAIN
The evidence: A scientific review of 16 clinical trials found
acupuncture to be effective against dental pain. One study in 1995
showed that pain relief after dental surgery doubled compared to
patients receiving placebo or false acupuncture. Other studies in 1999
and 2000 found similar results.

HEADACHES AND MIGRAINES
The evidence: New research from Italy has discovered that out of 80
women receiving acupuncture over six months, fewer reported migraine
attacks than those taking painkillers.

In addition, at least 26 randomly controlled trials have shown that
acupuncture is proven to be effective against headaches. In 12 of 16
trials comparing acupuncture with a placebo, acupuncture was reported to
be significantly more effective.

OSTEOARTHRITIS OF THE KNEE

The evidence: There is a good body of evidence to show that acupuncture
can treat osteoarthritis. One study in Scandinavia found an 80 per cent
reduction in pain in 29 patients with severe knee osteoarthritis.

> As rational people know, the plural of "anecdote" is *not* "data".
> Graham

As rational studies have shown, acupuncture IS effective.

Your irrational denials and feckless sloganeering is the only suspect
anecdote here.