On 9/21/2015 6:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Why? Is it important they know how much you are paying? If I was to
> return with guests I'm taking to dinner, I'd want everyone else to have
> no prices. Order and enjoy, don't worry about the cost, that is my job.

Anatomy doesn't really come into play. I wouldn't invite friends (my
treat) to a restaurant I knew I couldn't afford even if they ordered the
most expensive items on the menu. They don't need to know the price.

Jill

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:12:49 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:


>What coupons am I always bragging about? I rarely get any coupons. I even
>stopped taking the newspaper because they quit putting them in there.

Jesus... you're so full of shit! You've posted many, many times here
about using coupons. Yeah, I know... I'm a liar, right?

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:15:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
>> Sqwertz > wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 00:23:13 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> My mom is in her 80's. She is pretty much blind now so wouldn't be able
>>>> to
>>>> tell that there were no prices on the menu. But if she knew it, she
>>>> would
>>>> not like it. And the person who tried to hand her that rose would live
>>>> to
>>>> regret it.
>>>
>>> What would she do, throw it onto the floor and grind on it with her
>>> heel?
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> Like mother, like daughter. Ungratefulness at its finest.
>
>So, taking something that you will know will cause you an asthma attack is
>ungrateful?

How about simply saying "I'm allergic to roses. Please keep it away."

Note the use of the word "Please."

Doris

On 2015-09-22 6:54 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:17:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:

>> That is not what I stated at all. You took something that I said and
>> twisted it into something else.
>
> Nope. The nicest excuse I can come up for you is that possibly you
> don't take enough care and thought into what you actually write, which
> would explain the same ongoing criticisms involving you (and only you)
> here on RFC.
>
> If that's not the case, then you forget and unwittingly contradict
> yourself. Failing that... well, you're just making shit up as you go.
>
> I haven't 'twisted' anything:

The problem is that Julie is not the brightest bulb on the tree and she
tells so many lies that she gets confused and get stripped up in her own
lies.

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:14:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 00:23:13 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> My mom is in her 80's. She is pretty much blind now so wouldn't be able
>>> to
>>> tell that there were no prices on the menu. But if she knew it, she
>>> would
>>> not like it. And the person who tried to hand her that rose would live
>>> to
>>> regret it.
>>
>> What would she do, throw it onto the floor and grind on it with her
>> heel?
>
>She would either throw it back at them or jump back in horror. She hates
>flowers. Except for certain specific ones that are grown outside and left
>outside.

Even a real feminist has good manners. Gloria Steinem would never
behave in such a fashion. Don't use feminism as an excuse for having
no manners and no social nous.

> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 17:14:22 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 00:04:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I would say so. I like diners. But if I went into one and saw that they
>>>were putting all of the black people in one area and not letting them sit
>>>at
>>>the counter, I wouldn't like that either. Old timey is one thing.
>>>Equality
>>>is another.
>>
>>Yes.
>
> Amazing is all I can say, perhaps you can tell by who the one person
> agreeing with you is hahahahahaha

This is probably the only place in the world where a husband taking his wife
and friend to an elegant restaurant, a restaurant that all three completely
enjoyed by the way, and have it balloon into something like showing
disrespect for women, blah, blah, blah. I am LMAO over it.

Cheri

On 9/20/2015 11:20 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 9/20/2015 10:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:36:38 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> I did not realize it until after, the ladies menu did not have prices.
>>>> Very few places do that. Both ladies were given a long stem rose too.
>>>
>>> What if a lady is paying?
>>>
>>
>> I'd pass her the check.
>>
>> Does not bother me or my wife, but I'm sure some will see it as
>> sexist. OTOH, if I'm the host, I want my guest, male or female, to
>> enjoy and order what they want. I know the price range and what to
>> expect. If a problem with cost, we'd go for a pizza.
>
> I could never enjoy any food from a place like that. I would feel so
> uncomfortable, all I would want to do would be leave!

Some people may call this Julie "bullying". Wrong. It's a given she
could never enjoy the food.

I feel sorry for her. She says she would *never* feel comfortable
eating "from a place like that". Wow. Meaning a place with table
cloths and napkins and actual plates? Sorry, that just sounds sad.

What a limited view she seems to have of the world.

Jill

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 00:23:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 22:19:05 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 9/21/2015 9:38 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know Bruce was not hitting me personally, but he seems to think
>>>>>> giving
>>>>>> a woman special attention somehow diminishes them.
>>>>>
>>>>> What that restaurant does with their menus, isn't 'special attention'.
>>>>> It's patronizing.
>>>>>
>>>>Thanks. I'll tell my wife and Susan they've been patronized. They'll
>>>>get a laugh out of it.
>>>
>>> Maybe they're from a generation that likes to be patronized.
>>
>>My mom is in her 80's. She is pretty much blind now so wouldn't be able
>>to
>>tell that there were no prices on the menu. But if she knew it, she would
>>not like it. And the person who tried to hand her that rose would live to
>>regret it.
>
> I guess most people don't take well to being patronized, whether
> they're old or young.
>
> --
> Bruce

All together now.

Cheri

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 19:26:32 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 9/20/2015 11:20 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I could never enjoy any food from a place like that. I would feel so
>> uncomfortable, all I would want to do would be leave!
>
>Some people may call this Julie "bullying".

It apparently depends on *who* is doing the 'bullying'.
A small handful here can do it with impunity - if you or I do it (for
example) well, then it's 'bullying'.

> Wrong. It's a given she
>could never enjoy the food.
>
>I feel sorry for her. She says she would *never* feel comfortable
>eating "from a place like that". Wow. Meaning a place with table
>cloths and napkins and actual plates? Sorry, that just sounds sad.
>
>What a limited view she seems to have of the world.

Given all we know (or at least are told here), her life sounds like a
nightmare of neurosis to me.

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 16:25:40 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 17:14:22 +1000, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 00:04:45 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I would say so. I like diners. But if I went into one and saw that they
>>>>were putting all of the black people in one area and not letting them sit
>>>>at
>>>>the counter, I wouldn't like that either. Old timey is one thing.
>>>>Equality
>>>>is another.
>>>
>>>Yes.
>>
>> Amazing is all I can say, perhaps you can tell by who the one person
>> agreeing with you is hahahahahaha
>
>This is probably the only place in the world where a husband taking his wife
>and friend to an elegant restaurant, a restaurant that all three completely
>enjoyed by the way, and have it balloon into something like showing
>disrespect for women, blah, blah, blah. I am LMAO over it.
>
>Cheri

I'm unhappy that JB decided to crap all over what was an enjoyable
experience reported by a member of this group. She just couldn't
stop.
Janet US

Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 20:23:22 -0300, wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 08:38:28 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 19:21:30 -0300, wrote:
> > >
> >>>On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 07:28:29 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
> > > >
> >>>>>> It's a bit strange to treat men and women different. Unless
> it's an >>>>>> 1800s theme restaurant where men are kings and women
> are their >>>>>> ornamental poodles.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > My wife is far from an ornament, so was my friend that was
> > > > > > with us. Both enjoy being pampered a bit and neither cared
> > > > > > about the prices. I still open the car door for her too
> > > > > > and she appreciates being appreciated for what she is, an
> > > > > > opinionated strong willed woman. No man has ever been
> > > > > > able to take advantage or treat her second class.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wasn't having a dig at you personally. But a restaurant is
> > > > > a public venue.
> > > >
> > > > I thought there was something delightfully old fashioned and
> > > > rather nice about it and heaven knows I am not a wilting violet
> > > > type.
> > >
> > > Not every woman's into women's lib. Some people prefer the old
> > > ways. The Amish, for instance.
> >
> > Trust me, I was/am completely into women's lib - even served in the
> > 70s on the Task Force for Women, my main theme was getting equal
> > pensions or at least equal pension contributions for women. Just
> > today I really cut the dirt out from under one particular males feet
> > after he said 'Well I think you are wrong' and knowing I wasn't I
> > told him I didn't give a flying **** what he thought. Should have
> > seen him, I don't think he even realised I knew words like that
> >
> > I think Ed knew the restaurant he was taking his wife and guest to,
> > liked it and they all enjoyed it. I would not feel badly that I
> > had a different menu but if I was taking a guest there, I would
> > phone ahead and tell them I was the one who wanted to receive one
> > with prices. That I want to be the one who receives the bill. No
> > probs that I can see, I don't see it as a male/female issue but
> > more payer and recipients.
>
> The menu with prices goes to the man by default. A restaurant
> shouldn't interfere like that. Or have such a gender bias.

I can go with 2 views wth that post.

1) they should not assume if it's a couple
2) they should expect the menus to swap at need and so should you

The MAN is not always the one that pays. Most sensible people ust
shift the enu at need to fit but I havent seen a 'mans menu with prices
and her's not' in a very long time.

Today, I would probably swap menus but never go back to that place with
sexist menus ever again. Point blank. I would never go back.

Carol


--

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 9/21/2015 7:50 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >
> > > > I think Ed knew the restaurant he was taking his wife and guest
> > > > to, liked it and they all enjoyed it. I would not feel badly
> > > > that I had a different menu but if I was taking a guest there,
> > > > I would phone ahead and tell them I was the one who wanted to
> > > > receive one with prices. That I want to be the one who
> > > > receives the bill. No probs that I can see, I don't see it as
> > > > a male/female issue but more payer and recipients.
> > >
> > > The menu with prices goes to the man by default. A restaurant
> > > shouldn't interfere like that. Or have such a gender bias.
> > >
> >
> > You are really hung up on that.
> >
> > Yes, unless some arrangement is obvious, it does go to the man and
> > 99% of the time is would be correct. No reason that the female
> > host of a group cannot make it clear she is in charge, running the
> > show, paying the bill. Takes but five seconds when you are greeted
> > coming in the door.
> >
> > Old fashioned? Yes, but some of us still like to treat our wives
> > and friends. If I invite a couple to dine with us, I make it
> > clear to the staff that I'm the host and it has never been an
> > issue. If any doubt on my part, I slip my CC to the waiter before
> > the check comes.
> >
> > My simple rules for paying the check if there are two couples:
> > I pay it all
> > You pay it all
> > We split it down the middle regardless of who had the extra drink
> > or whatever.
> >
> > Thinking about it now, there are three women that sometimes go to
> > the restaurants with us. In one case, I always pay, my choice.
> > Another will always pay a third, the other either lets me pay or
> > pays it all herself.
>
> But some people prefer not to order very expensive food. I am one of
> those. I don't care who is paying. If it's expensive, I won't be
> having it. And without being able to see the prices, I wouldn't know
> this.

There is that too Julie. It may 'upset' a person guesting another but
frankly, I consider it common sense to know if the appetizer is 30$ for
3 pieces that cant allow a taste for each person because all I could
see was 3 pieces.

I grew up in a culture of sharing food. Don't worry, if there is
someone new to this we explain it first and if we order appetizers, we
offset so everyone gets a little taste of all the different types.

Then depending on the type of cookery, main dishes might go in the
center too and you snag a portion regardless of what you ordered. Your
'order'in places asiatic like that just mean your addition to the table.

If it helps any, there have only been 2 times I have gotten a menu with
no prices. One was in USA (Don and I exchanged them) and once in
Bahrain when I was the only person at the table (they exchanged it
fast).

Carol


--

On 9/20/2015 9:36 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> I took my wife and another woman to dinner tonight to The Castle
> http://www.castlerestaurant.com/
>
> We've not been there for years and I sort of forgot how nice dining can
> be. We went not just to eat, but to socialize and it was perfect for
> it. No rushing, not a lot of noise. I made a reservation and the table
> was ready for us when we arrived a few minutes early.
>
> Little things make a difference. The hostess pulled the chair out to
> seat my wife, the table had some toasted bread and a cheese spread,
> butter on the bread plates and charger plates. Hardly ever see chargers
> any more.
>
> I did not realize it until after, the ladies menu did not have prices.
> Very few places do that. Both ladies were given a long stem rose too.
>
> We had appetizers and ordered a bottle of wine from an extensive list.
> The game special was antelope, but we did not order it..
>
> My friend ordered Steak Diane and it is prepared tableside. Yeah, a bit
> of a show, but nice to see. Good too. So were the desserts!
>
> It was a nice leisurely 2 1/2 hours.

Sounds perfect for a nice treat!

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 9/22/2015 3:17 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
>
>
> >
> > But some people prefer not to order very expensive food. I am one
> > of those. I don't care who is paying. If it's expensive, I won't
> > be having it. And without being able to see the prices, I wouldn't
> > know this.
>
> I guess I'll never understand that part. I order what I like. We
> eat at a variety of restaurants from Burger King to the occasional
> posh place and others in between. I know that Applebees is going to
> run from about $10 to $18. I order what I'm in the mood for as the
> few dollars difference is not going to break me. If it was, I'd go to
> Burger King. If I'm at a fancy place, same deal, they may from from
> $25 to $35, but 10 bucks on a $150 bill is not a big deal.
>
> I won't order Cavier no matter the price because I don't like it.

It could just be the female version of polite behavior you didnt know
was there? (grin, yes, it's there).

There';s nothing worse than adding a dimsum appetizer meaning to have
your friend taste one, and find it came with just one (ok, you can
split it) and cost 1/2 the main meal. It makes the lady look and feel
like an asshole which ruins it all for them.

Grin, it's totally ok for us to know YOU don't mind if we know you well
enough to know you are ok if we pick the 150$ plate, but we don't want
to do that by accident if the average meal is 60$ or so.

I have to simply enjoy a memory. On our way out from Japan, we stayed
in a fairly simple hotel but our evening meal was a 5 star place (with
the prices to be expected). Don and I got menus with prices and
Charlotte (then about 11) didnt but it was a limited menu.

We got a 4 course meal and they adapted volumes for that they *thought*
an American kid would eat. They had a laugh as they found out her only
gaps were she didn't like fish eggs and was less adept with a fork,
having been more used to chopsticks..

Carol

--

Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 9/21/2015 9:38 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > I know Bruce was not hitting me personally, but he seems to think
> > > giving a woman special attention somehow diminishes them.
> >
> > What that restaurant does with their menus, isn't 'special
> > attention'. It's patronizing.
> >
> Thanks. I'll tell my wife and Susan they've been patronized. They'll
> get a laugh out of it.

Umm, best to NOT take the 'ladies you hired (for real work, not some
joke)' to those places ok? Trust me.

Being old-time polite feeling can backfire and this is a big one.

--

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 5:47:21 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> > wrote in message:
> >>
> >>
> > If someone should be stupid enough to treat your sorry butt
> > to dinner, why do YOU need to see the prices??
>
> I have said it repeatedly. I find it rude to order the most expensive thing
> on the menu.
>
>
I know I'm just blowing wind up your ass when I say this
as you will take it and run with it to **** and moan about
something else not even relevant to this discussion. But
who in the world said anything about ordering the most
expensive thing on the menu?? Oops, my bad! It was your
silly ass that brought that into the discussion.

Carry on with your silly ramblings and trying to justify
your ridiculous statements.

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 5:52:49 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message:
> >>>
> > It is nut just about gender, it is guest/host. I'd not take people to a
> > place if I didn't think I could afford it.
>
> We just don't do things like that here. And here being anywhere I have
> lived in Washington.
>
>
There she goes again. Speaking for EVERYONE who lives in the
state of Washington. Of course what she, her family and friends
do constitute what EVERYBODY in Washington state does.

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 6:07:30 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
>
> > My original comment was directed to your dumbass and how you
> > would act if you were lucky enough to be taken out in public.
>
> Thankfully you will never know. I would never go anywhere near where you
> are. You can't even act nice in your own home!
>
>
Yes, thank goodness you and I will never cross paths and you
have no idea how I act in my own home. At least I don't bitch
and whine about everything to everyone on this group. Nor do
I talk about my relatives like they were the scum of the earth.
(If that flew over your head I'll throw you a hint: That poor
miserable man that co-habitates with you and your spawn you throw
out on the internet for every pedophile to oogle at.)

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 1:04:54 PM UTC-5, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> Sqwertz > wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 00:23:13 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> >> My mom is in her 80's. She is pretty much blind now so wouldn't be able to
> >> tell that there were no prices on the menu. But if she knew it, she would
> >> not like it. And the person who tried to hand her that rose would live to
> >> regret it.
> >
> > What would she do, throw it onto the floor and grind on it with her
> > heel?
> >
> > -sw
>
> Like mother, like daughter. Ungratefulness at its finest.
> --
> jinx the minx
>
>
High 5!!!

On 9/22/2015 8:36 PM, cshenk wrote:

>>>>> I thought there was something delightfully old fashioned and
>>>>> rather nice about it and heaven knows I am not a wilting violet
>>>>> type.

> I can go with 2 views wth that post.
>
> 1) they should not assume if it's a couple
> 2) they should expect the menus to swap at need and so should you
>
> The MAN is not always the one that pays. Most sensible people ust
> shift the enu at need to fit but I havent seen a 'mans menu with prices
> and her's not' in a very long time.
>
> Today, I would probably swap menus but never go back to that place with
> sexist menus ever again. Point blank. I would never go back.
>
> Carol
>
>

By today's standards it may be sexist, but in this case it is someone
that does not easily keep up with changes like that. When the opened
years ago it was quite acceptable and probably still is to many of the
patrons.

The style of dining they offer is rare these days too. Unless there is
another generation to take over, it will probably be closed in a few
years if the owner retires. How many places today will let you occupy a
table for 2 1/2 hours?

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 5:15:20 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Sqwertz > wrote:
> >> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 00:23:13 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >>> My mom is in her 80's.
> >>
> >> What would she do, throw it onto the floor and grind on it with her
> >> heel?
> >>
> >> -sw
> >
> > Like mother, like daughter. Ungratefulness at its finest.
>
> So, taking something that you will know will cause you an asthma attack is
> ungrateful?
>
>
No. Graciously declining something without making a spectacle of
yourself is the polite and correct thing to do. But then again you
have no idea how to behave out in public.

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 5:40:18 PM UTC-5, Doris Night wrote:
>
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:15:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
> >
> >So, taking something that you will know will cause you an asthma attack is
> >ungrateful?
>
> How about simply saying "I'm allergic to roses. Please keep it away."
>
> Note the use of the word "Please."
>
> Doris
>
>
Good luck with that, Doris!!!

On 9/22/2015 8:59 PM, cshenk wrote:

> I grew up in a culture of sharing food. Don't worry, if there is
> someone new to this we explain it first and if we order appetizers, we
> offset so everyone gets a little taste of all the different types.
>
> Then depending on the type of cookery, main dishes might go in the
> center too and you snag a portion regardless of what you ordered. Your
> 'order'in places asiatic like that just mean your addition to the table.

We do that too. We order two or three appetizers for the four of us and
that is more than enough.

I recall one night at a business dinner after a trade show. There were
at least six of us. We ordered one of each appetizer and it was enough
to feed all of us and we never got entrees.

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 7:24:00 PM UTC-5, Janet B wrote:
>
> I'm unhappy that JB decided to crap all over what was an enjoyable
> experience reported by a member of this group. She just couldn't
> stop.
> Janet US
>
>
Her standard modus operandi.

> wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 5:47:21 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in message:
>> >>
>> >>
>> > If someone should be stupid enough to treat your sorry butt
>> > to dinner, why do YOU need to see the prices??
>>
>> I have said it repeatedly. I find it rude to order the most expensive
>> thing
>> on the menu.
>>
>>
> I know I'm just blowing wind up your ass when I say this
> as you will take it and run with it to **** and moan about
> something else not even relevant to this discussion. But
> who in the world said anything about ordering the most
> expensive thing on the menu?? Oops, my bad! It was your
> silly ass that brought that into the discussion.
>
> Carry on with your silly ramblings and trying to justify
> your ridiculous statements.

Well, Derp! If you have no prices on your menu, you wouldn't know that.
Would you? I mean some things might be obvious like a large cut of steak or
a lobster.

> wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 5:52:49 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message:
>> >>>
>> > It is nut just about gender, it is guest/host. I'd not take people to
>> > a
>> > place if I didn't think I could afford it.
>>
>> We just don't do things like that here. And here being anywhere I have
>> lived in Washington.
>>
>>
> There she goes again. Speaking for EVERYONE who lives in the
> state of Washington. Of course what she, her family and friends
> do constitute what EVERYBODY in Washington state does.

Certainly not. I said in the areas where I've lived.

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 8:59:29 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove whined:
>
> > wrote in message
> >>
> >>
> > I know I'm just blowing wind up your ass when I say this
> > as you will take it and run with it to **** and moan about
> > something else not even relevant to this discussion. But
> > who in the world said anything about ordering the most
> > expensive thing on the menu?? Oops, my bad! It was your
> > silly ass that brought that into the discussion.
> >
> > Carry on with your silly ramblings and trying to justify
> > your ridiculous statements.
>
> Well, Derp! If you have no prices on your menu, you wouldn't know that.
> Would you? I mean some things might be obvious like a large cut of steak or
> a lobster.
>
>
See my statement above.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 9/21/2015 7:50 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> >
>> > > > I think Ed knew the restaurant he was taking his wife and guest
>> > > > to, liked it and they all enjoyed it. I would not feel badly
>> > > > that I had a different menu but if I was taking a guest there,
>> > > > I would phone ahead and tell them I was the one who wanted to
>> > > > receive one with prices. That I want to be the one who
>> > > > receives the bill. No probs that I can see, I don't see it as
>> > > > a male/female issue but more payer and recipients.
>> > >
>> > > The menu with prices goes to the man by default. A restaurant
>> > > shouldn't interfere like that. Or have such a gender bias.
>> > >
>> >
>> > You are really hung up on that.
>> >
>> > Yes, unless some arrangement is obvious, it does go to the man and
>> > 99% of the time is would be correct. No reason that the female
>> > host of a group cannot make it clear she is in charge, running the
>> > show, paying the bill. Takes but five seconds when you are greeted
>> > coming in the door.
>> >
>> > Old fashioned? Yes, but some of us still like to treat our wives
>> > and friends. If I invite a couple to dine with us, I make it
>> > clear to the staff that I'm the host and it has never been an
>> > issue. If any doubt on my part, I slip my CC to the waiter before
>> > the check comes.
>> >
>> > My simple rules for paying the check if there are two couples:
>> > I pay it all
>> > You pay it all
>> > We split it down the middle regardless of who had the extra drink
>> > or whatever.
>> >
>> > Thinking about it now, there are three women that sometimes go to
>> > the restaurants with us. In one case, I always pay, my choice.
>> > Another will always pay a third, the other either lets me pay or
>> > pays it all herself.
>>
>> But some people prefer not to order very expensive food. I am one of
>> those. I don't care who is paying. If it's expensive, I won't be
>> having it. And without being able to see the prices, I wouldn't know
>> this.
>
> There is that too Julie. It may 'upset' a person guesting another but
> frankly, I consider it common sense to know if the appetizer is 30$ for
> 3 pieces that cant allow a taste for each person because all I could
> see was 3 pieces.
>
> I grew up in a culture of sharing food. Don't worry, if there is
> someone new to this we explain it first and if we order appetizers, we
> offset so everyone gets a little taste of all the different types.
>
> Then depending on the type of cookery, main dishes might go in the
> center too and you snag a portion regardless of what you ordered. Your
> 'order'in places asiatic like that just mean your addition to the table.
>
> If it helps any, there have only been 2 times I have gotten a menu with
> no prices. One was in USA (Don and I exchanged them) and once in
> Bahrain when I was the only person at the table (they exchanged it
> fast).
>
> Carol

I might order an appetizer myself and I might share it or have it all for
myself. And that is usually all that I will eat if that is the case. That
actually hasn't happened in a very long time because there aren't many
appetizers I can eat these days. We also prefer not to dine out. We pretty
much only do it because the other extended family members seem to love it.
So if we are seeing them, we are dining out.

On 9/22/2015 9:28 PM, cshenk wrote:

>>> What that restaurant does with their menus, isn't 'special
>>> attention'. It's patronizing.
>>>
>> Thanks. I'll tell my wife and Susan they've been patronized. They'll
>> get a laugh out of it.
>
> Umm, best to NOT take the 'ladies you hired (for real work, not some
> joke)' to those places ok? Trust me.
>
> Being old-time polite feeling can backfire and this is a big one.
>

You mean like at my job work? Susan is the office manager. She is a
very independent self sufficient equal rights kind of woman. She also
feels she was born to be a princess so yes, she enjoys the attention.
And the rose.

Having worked and eaten lunch together for 25 years she knows what to
expect from me. She treats me on occasion too, just bought me pizza last
week for my birthday

On 22/09/2015 7:55 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/22/2015 8:59 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
>> I grew up in a culture of sharing food. Don't worry, if there is
>> someone new to this we explain it first and if we order appetizers, we
>> offset so everyone gets a little taste of all the different types.
>>
>> Then depending on the type of cookery, main dishes might go in the
>> center too and you snag a portion regardless of what you ordered. Your
>> 'order'in places asiatic like that just mean your addition to the table.
>
> We do that too. We order two or three appetizers for the four of us and
> that is more than enough.
>
> I recall one night at a business dinner after a trade show. There were
> at least six of us. We ordered one of each appetizer and it was enough
> to feed all of us and we never got entrees.
>
I've often found while travelling that at dinner, 2 appetisers are
sufficient rather than an app + entrée.
Graham

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On 9/22/2015 3:17 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>>
>>
>> >
>> > But some people prefer not to order very expensive food. I am one
>> > of those. I don't care who is paying. If it's expensive, I won't
>> > be having it. And without being able to see the prices, I wouldn't
>> > know this.
>>
>> I guess I'll never understand that part. I order what I like. We
>> eat at a variety of restaurants from Burger King to the occasional
>> posh place and others in between. I know that Applebees is going to
>> run from about $10 to $18. I order what I'm in the mood for as the
>> few dollars difference is not going to break me. If it was, I'd go to
>> Burger King. If I'm at a fancy place, same deal, they may from from
>> $25 to $35, but 10 bucks on a $150 bill is not a big deal.
>>
>> I won't order Cavier no matter the price because I don't like it.
>
> It could just be the female version of polite behavior you didnt know
> was there? (grin, yes, it's there).
>
> There';s nothing worse than adding a dimsum appetizer meaning to have
> your friend taste one, and find it came with just one (ok, you can
> split it) and cost 1/2 the main meal. It makes the lady look and feel
> like an asshole which ruins it all for them.
>
> Grin, it's totally ok for us to know YOU don't mind if we know you well
> enough to know you are ok if we pick the 150$ plate, but we don't want
> to do that by accident if the average meal is 60$ or so.
>
> I have to simply enjoy a memory. On our way out from Japan, we stayed
> in a fairly simple hotel but our evening meal was a 5 star place (with
> the prices to be expected). Don and I got menus with prices and
> Charlotte (then about 11) didnt but it was a limited menu.
>
> We got a 4 course meal and they adapted volumes for that they *thought*
> an American kid would eat. They had a laugh as they found out her only
> gaps were she didn't like fish eggs and was less adept with a fork,
> having been more used to chopsticks..

There used to be a Dim Sum place in Seattle that did have a menu but most
people did not order from it. This was not a place for people with food
allergies, picky eaters or those with limited funds, although I must say
that overall the prices were pretty good. The waiters would bring things
around and you would either accept or decline. They would not tell you what
anything was. Each dish was served on or in something different. Different
size, shape or color. That determined the price. Your bill was tallied up
by the dishes left on your table. They are no longer there. Too bad. They
had really good food!

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:12:49 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>What coupons am I always bragging about? I rarely get any coupons. I
>>even
>>stopped taking the newspaper because they quit putting them in there.
>
> Jesus... you're so full of shit! You've posted many, many times here
> about using coupons. Yeah, I know... I'm a liar, right?

I have posted about using coupons. I think a lot of people here and by here
I mean in the parts of Washington where I live, do use them. But I
certainly do not use them all the time.

"Janet B" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:14:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 00:23:13 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> My mom is in her 80's. She is pretty much blind now so wouldn't be
>>>> able
>>>> to
>>>> tell that there were no prices on the menu. But if she knew it, she
>>>> would
>>>> not like it. And the person who tried to hand her that rose would live
>>>> to
>>>> regret it.
>>>
>>> What would she do, throw it onto the floor and grind on it with her
>>> heel?
>>
>>She would either throw it back at them or jump back in horror. She hates
>>flowers. Except for certain specific ones that are grown outside and left
>>outside.
>
> Even a real feminist has good manners. Gloria Steinem would never
> behave in such a fashion. Don't use feminism as an excuse for having
> no manners and no social nous.

I'm not! My mom just hates flowers and perfume. Woe be to someone who
tries to hand her one or spray her with a scent!

On 9/22/2015 6:47 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 1:53:33 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> The mere fact that they give women menus with no prices would put me off
>>> enough to not want anything to do with them. I shouldn't have to
>>> look at my
>>> husband's menu. Everyone should be the same. I would not want the rose
>>> either.
>>>
>>>
>> If someone should be stupid enough to treat your sorry butt
>> to dinner, why do YOU need to see the prices??
>
> I have said it repeatedly. I find it rude to order the most expensive
> thing on the menu. Someone *does* take me to lunch quite often. I
> order either beans and rice, beans rice and tortillas or oatmeal and
> bacon. Once in a while I will add a salad. Not usually.

IOW, you get taken out to eat cheap food at cheap places.

Jill

> wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 6:07:30 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in message
>>
>> > My original comment was directed to your dumbass and how you
>> > would act if you were lucky enough to be taken out in public.
>>
>> Thankfully you will never know. I would never go anywhere near where you
>> are. You can't even act nice in your own home!
>>
>>
> Yes, thank goodness you and I will never cross paths and you
> have no idea how I act in my own home. At least I don't bitch
> and whine about everything to everyone on this group. Nor do
> I talk about my relatives like they were the scum of the earth.
> (If that flew over your head I'll throw you a hint: That poor
> miserable man that co-habitates with you and your spawn you throw
> out on the internet for every pedophile to oogle at.)

*I* don't do those things either. And no, that didn't fly over my head.
You're just a plain and simple obvious bitch. I assume that you act the
same way in your own house as you do here. It isn't pretty.

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:15:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
>>> Sqwertz > wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 00:23:13 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My mom is in her 80's. She is pretty much blind now so wouldn't be
>>>>> able
>>>>> to
>>>>> tell that there were no prices on the menu. But if she knew it, she
>>>>> would
>>>>> not like it. And the person who tried to hand her that rose would
>>>>> live
>>>>> to
>>>>> regret it.
>>>>
>>>> What would she do, throw it onto the floor and grind on it with her
>>>> heel?
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>>
>>> Like mother, like daughter. Ungratefulness at its finest.
>>
>>So, taking something that you will know will cause you an asthma attack is
>>ungrateful?
>
> How about simply saying "I'm allergic to roses. Please keep it away."
>
> Note the use of the word "Please."

Why would she lie? She's not allergic to roses.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 9/20/2015 11:20 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 9/20/2015 10:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:36:38 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not realize it until after, the ladies menu did not have prices.
>>>>> Very few places do that. Both ladies were given a long stem rose too.
>>>>
>>>> What if a lady is paying?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'd pass her the check.
>>>
>>> Does not bother me or my wife, but I'm sure some will see it as
>>> sexist. OTOH, if I'm the host, I want my guest, male or female, to
>>> enjoy and order what they want. I know the price range and what to
>>> expect. If a problem with cost, we'd go for a pizza.
>>
>> I could never enjoy any food from a place like that. I would feel so
>> uncomfortable, all I would want to do would be leave!
>
> Some people may call this Julie "bullying". Wrong. It's a given she could
> never enjoy the food.
>
> I feel sorry for her. She says she would *never* feel comfortable eating
> "from a place like that". Wow. Meaning a place with table cloths and
> napkins and actual plates? Sorry, that just sounds sad.
>
> What a limited view she seems to have of the world.

No. Meaning a place that in my opinion treats women like second class
citizens.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 19:26:32 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 9/20/2015 11:20 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 9/20/2015 10:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 21:36:38 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did not realize it until after, the ladies menu did not have
>>>>>> prices.
>>>>>> Very few places do that. Both ladies were given a long stem rose too.
>>>>>
>>>>> What if a lady is paying?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd pass her the check.
>>>>
>>>> Does not bother me or my wife, but I'm sure some will see it as
>>>> sexist. OTOH, if I'm the host, I want my guest, male or female, to
>>>> enjoy and order what they want. I know the price range and what to
>>>> expect. If a problem with cost, we'd go for a pizza.
>>>
>>> I could never enjoy any food from a place like that. I would feel so
>>> uncomfortable, all I would want to do would be leave!
>>
>>Some people may call this Julie "bullying". Wrong. It's a given she
>>could never enjoy the food.
>>
>>I feel sorry for her. She says she would *never* feel comfortable
>>eating "from a place like that". Wow. Meaning a place with table
>>cloths and napkins and actual plates? Sorry, that just sounds sad.
>
> The context was a place where women are patronized.

Jill doesn't get it because I guess she likes places like that. To each
their own.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 20:23:22 -0300, wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 08:38:28 +1000, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 19:21:30 -0300, wrote:
>> > >
>> >>>On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 07:28:29 +1000, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> >>>>>> It's a bit strange to treat men and women different. Unless
>> it's an >>>>>> 1800s theme restaurant where men are kings and women
>> are their >>>>>> ornamental poodles.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > My wife is far from an ornament, so was my friend that was
>> > > > > > with us. Both enjoy being pampered a bit and neither cared
>> > > > > > about the prices. I still open the car door for her too
>> > > > > > and she appreciates being appreciated for what she is, an
>> > > > > > opinionated strong willed woman. No man has ever been
>> > > > > > able to take advantage or treat her second class.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I wasn't having a dig at you personally. But a restaurant is
>> > > > > a public venue.
>> > > >
>> > > > I thought there was something delightfully old fashioned and
>> > > > rather nice about it and heaven knows I am not a wilting violet
>> > > > type.
>> > >
>> > > Not every woman's into women's lib. Some people prefer the old
>> > > ways. The Amish, for instance.
>> >
>> > Trust me, I was/am completely into women's lib - even served in the
>> > 70s on the Task Force for Women, my main theme was getting equal
>> > pensions or at least equal pension contributions for women. Just
>> > today I really cut the dirt out from under one particular males feet
>> > after he said 'Well I think you are wrong' and knowing I wasn't I
>> > told him I didn't give a flying **** what he thought. Should have
>> > seen him, I don't think he even realised I knew words like that
>> >
>> > I think Ed knew the restaurant he was taking his wife and guest to,
>> > liked it and they all enjoyed it. I would not feel badly that I
>> > had a different menu but if I was taking a guest there, I would
>> > phone ahead and tell them I was the one who wanted to receive one
>> > with prices. That I want to be the one who receives the bill. No
>> > probs that I can see, I don't see it as a male/female issue but
>> > more payer and recipients.
>>
>> The menu with prices goes to the man by default. A restaurant
>> shouldn't interfere like that. Or have such a gender bias.
>
> I can go with 2 views wth that post.
>
> 1) they should not assume if it's a couple
> 2) they should expect the menus to swap at need and so should you
>
> The MAN is not always the one that pays. Most sensible people ust
> shift the enu at need to fit but I havent seen a 'mans menu with prices
> and her's not' in a very long time.
>
> Today, I would probably swap menus but never go back to that place with
> sexist menus ever again. Point blank. I would never go back.

Or the restaurant could get with the times and print new menus, all with
prices. I would never go back either.

On 9/20/2015 11:44 PM, graham wrote:
> On 20/09/2015 9:19 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I took my wife and another woman to dinner tonight to The Castle
>>> http://www.castlerestaurant.com/
>>>
>>> We've not been there for years and I sort of forgot how nice dining
>>> can be. We went not just to eat, but to socialize and it was perfect
>>> for it. No rushing, not a lot of noise. I made a reservation and the
>>> table was ready for us when we arrived a few minutes early.
>>>
>>> Little things make a difference. The hostess pulled the chair out to
>>> seat my wife, the table had some toasted bread and a cheese spread,
>>> butter on the bread plates and charger plates. Hardly ever see
>>> chargers any more.
>>>
>>> I did not realize it until after, the ladies menu did not have prices.
>>> Very few places do that. Both ladies were given a long stem rose too.
>>>
>>> We had appetizers and ordered a bottle of wine from an extensive list.
>>> The game special was antelope, but we did not order it..
>>>
>>> My friend ordered Steak Diane and it is prepared tableside. Yeah, a
>>> bit of a show, but nice to see. Good too. So were the desserts!
>>>
>>> It was a nice leisurely 2 1/2 hours.
>>
>> Wow! A place like that would put me right off. I haven't gotten a menu
>> in years with no prices. I would just order soup or salad, probably not
>> eat it and get out out of there as quickly as I could. And then never
>> go back!
>
> I've refrained from commenting in the past but really, what a dimwit you
> are!
> Graham

Yeah, because they don't serve beans, rice and tortillas in such places.

Jill