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On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:58:51 -0400, S Viemeister
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> On 8/17/2015 12:11 PM, sf wrote:
> > On 17 Aug 2015 15:24:33 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2015-08-17, Janet > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sarnie is just a diminutive/abbreviation of sandwich. The long A (as
> >>> in farm) distinguishes it from short-A "sannie", slang term for sanitary
> >>> towel.
> >>
> >> I suspect you ment "fame", as farm is also a short A sound.
> >>
> >>> Butty according to Chambers dictionary [...] It's
> >>> also an old North-England term for pal, mate.
> >>
> >> I'll not go there.
> >>

> > So "buddy" got lost in translation.
> >

> ???
> 'Butty' in the sense of 'pal' has been around for a few centuries in
> Britain. The North American 'buddy' likely resulted from the tendency of
> many North Americans to pronounce 't' as 'd', so 'butty' changed to 'buddy'.


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On 8/18/2015 3:20 PM, sf wrote:


DEAR FAT ASS

good morning fat ass
how will your day go?
will you be stared at like an enourmous blob?
or be taunted and teased all day long?

people say you can't do anything
you cant do this or that
but you will sure show them
when your fat ass is in control

it is all your fault fat ass
you live to eat and dont eat to live
well look at that fat ass
a greasy cheese burger streaming down your lips and chin

you are a worthless excuse for a human
no one wants to see fat
lock yourself inside your room
until your thin and flat



you would rather some one say
**** her anorexic ass
than **** you
you fat fat ass


words hurt as much as the weight
they will be with you forever
that extra baggage you can change
show them you can do something

No one wants to see a fat girl cry
tears of grease and blubber
you will no longer be the funny fat girl
you will be just as cool as any other

slide your finger down your throat
when you dream of grease and junk
the calories will fade away
down the toilet with one flush

dont eat today
you will prove them right
that is something
you just can't do

show them they dont
have control over everything
your weight
is something you do

Loose it all fat ass
I want to see coller bones
and down right thin

dont cry when you become dizzy
just know that it will help you in the end

You can feel good about yourself fat ass
you just have to learn control
your punishment is a life full of pain
and tears of grease and fried stuff

thin is the way you have always wanted to be
well you have a long journey to get there
but change your life
you **** of blubber

run run fat ass
let that fat ass shake
no one wants to see that shit
better run in your back yard instead

skinny
be thin
fat ass
be fat
when weighing out your options
which do you like better than fat?


its not lie fat ass
you have let yourself go
its time to buckle down
and crack those calories away


when it is all said and done
you will be worthy
you will feel alive again
see thin is the way to be

and you are just a fat ass with no control again.








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On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:11:44 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 00:43:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>
>> >
>> > Cherry is in England. Sarnie is the Southern English term for sandwich.
>> >Butty is the Northen English term for sandwich.
>> >
>> > Janet UK

>>
>> I would love to know the etymology of those two words. I get really
>> curious about things like that.
>> Janet US

>
> Sarnie is just a diminutive/abbreviation of sandwich. The long A (as
>in farm) distinguishes it from short-A "sannie", slang term for sanitary
>towel.
>
> Butty according to Chambers dictionary, is derived from butter-y. It's
>also an old North-England term for pal, mate.
>
> Janet UK
>


thanks Janet. I wouldn't have figured out the meaning of the two
words if I came across them in a book.
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On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 19:24:12 -0700, sf > wrote:

My SIL claims that there used to be
>horse drawn milk carts here in the late 50's, but I missed it by a
>very few years.


I remember the milk man and the rag man and the vegetable man. That
was a treat when I was very young.
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On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 18:53:33 +0100, "Ophelia" >
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snip
>
>I just remembered! We would take a bundle of rags and be given a balloon!
>Sometimes it would be a goldfish in a bag
>
>Oh my ... memories ...


and your grandchildren will tell their children that they remember a
time when you had a heavy phone attached to a wire that you had to
dial.
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> thanks Janet. I wouldn't have figured out the meaning of the two
> words if I came across them in a book.


But you could have searched the Internet and found out the
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:34:00 -0600, Janet B >
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>On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 18:53:33 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>snip
>>
>>I just remembered! We would take a bundle of rags and be given a balloon!
>>Sometimes it would be a goldfish in a bag
>>
>>Oh my ... memories ...

>
>and your grandchildren will tell their children that they remember a
>time when you had a heavy phone attached to a wire that you had to
>dial.
>Janet US



Walk down this memory lane...the Beloit List for 2019 grads.

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Mmmm hmmm...
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On 8/18/2015 3:34 PM, Janet B wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 18:53:33 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> snip
>>
>> I just remembered! We would take a bundle of rags and be given a balloon!
>> Sometimes it would be a goldfish in a bag
>>
>> Oh my ... memories ...

>
> and your grandchildren will tell their children that they remember a
> time when you had a heavy phone attached to a wire that you had to
> dial.
> Janet US
>

I won't have any grandchildren but I do still have a phone attached to a
wire. It's not heavy, though. I'm required to have a hard-wired
landline for the security alarm system. So I have one phone with a cord
and one cordless. Doesn't bother me; I hate talking on the phone anyway.

Jill


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> So I have one phone with a cord
> and one cordless. Doesn't bother me; I hate talking on the phone anyway.


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On 8/19/2015 2:47 PM, sf wrote:


DEAR FAT ASS

good morning fat ass
how will your day go?
will you be stared at like an enourmous blob?
or be taunted and teased all day long?

people say you can't do anything
you cant do this or that
but you will sure show them
when your fat ass is in control

it is all your fault fat ass
you live to eat and dont eat to live
well look at that fat ass
a greasy cheese burger streaming down your lips and chin

you are a worthless excuse for a human
no one wants to see fat
lock yourself inside your room
until your thin and flat



you would rather some one say
**** her anorexic ass
than **** you
you fat fat ass


words hurt as much as the weight
they will be with you forever
that extra baggage you can change
show them you can do something

No one wants to see a fat girl cry
tears of grease and blubber
you will no longer be the funny fat girl
you will be just as cool as any other

slide your finger down your throat
when you dream of grease and junk
the calories will fade away
down the toilet with one flush

dont eat today
you will prove them right
that is something
you just can't do

show them they dont
have control over everything
your weight
is something you do

Loose it all fat ass
I want to see coller bones
and down right thin

dont cry when you become dizzy
just know that it will help you in the end

You can feel good about yourself fat ass
you just have to learn control
your punishment is a life full of pain
and tears of grease and fried stuff

thin is the way you have always wanted to be
well you have a long journey to get there
but change your life
you **** of blubber

run run fat ass
let that fat ass shake
no one wants to see that shit
better run in your back yard instead

skinny
be thin
fat ass
be fat
when weighing out your options
which do you like better than fat?


its not lie fat ass
you have let yourself go
its time to buckle down
and crack those calories away


when it is all said and done
you will be worthy
you will feel alive again
see thin is the way to be

and you are just a fat ass with no control again.








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> On 8/18/2015 3:34 PM, Janet B wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 18:53:33 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>>
>>> I just remembered! We would take a bundle of rags and be given a
>>> balloon!
>>> Sometimes it would be a goldfish in a bag
>>>
>>> Oh my ... memories ...

>>
>> and your grandchildren will tell their children that they remember a
>> time when you had a heavy phone attached to a wire that you had to
>> dial.
>> Janet US
>>

> I won't have any grandchildren but I do still have a phone attached to a
> wire. It's not heavy, though. I'm required to have a hard-wired
> landline for the security alarm system. So I have one phone with a cord
> and one cordless. Doesn't bother me; I hate talking on the phone anyway.
>
> Jill


I have one hanging on the wall in the kitchen, and like you a couple of
cordless too, but I'm not crazy about talking on the phone either and except
for a couple of friends, I do short conversations.

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>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 8/18/2015 3:34 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 18:53:33 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> snip
>>>>
>>>> I just remembered! We would take a bundle of rags and be given a
>>>> balloon!
>>>> Sometimes it would be a goldfish in a bag
>>>>
>>>> Oh my ... memories ...
>>>
>>> and your grandchildren will tell their children that they remember a
>>> time when you had a heavy phone attached to a wire that you had to
>>> dial.
>>> Janet US
>>>

>> I won't have any grandchildren but I do still have a phone attached to a
>> wire. It's not heavy, though. I'm required to have a hard-wired
>> landline for the security alarm system. So I have one phone with a cord
>> and one cordless. Doesn't bother me; I hate talking on the phone anyway.
>>
>> Jill

>
> I have one hanging on the wall in the kitchen, and like you a couple of
> cordless too, but I'm not crazy about talking on the phone either and
> except for a couple of friends, I do short conversations.


I love talking on the phone. Is that depressing? I'll never know unless
somebody tells me. I am meeting my one friend later in the week. We don't
get to get together in person too often for various reasons. But we talk on
the phone at least once a week. And our calls will often last so long that
my cordless phone will die. It holds a charge for a good 5 hours at least.

I went into the back house and discovered that somebody had unplugged the
phone back there. Probably doesn't matter. We rarely use the building and
my husband won't answer the house phone anyway. He is mainly the one who
uses that building.

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On 8/19/2015 4:07 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> I went into the back house and discovered that somebody had unplugged
> the phone back there. Probably doesn't matter. We rarely use the
> building and my husband won't answer the house phone anyway. He is
> mainly the one who uses that building.



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On 8/19/2015 3:30 PM, Cheri wrote:
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> Cheri

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On 8/19/2015 4:07 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
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> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 8/18/2015 3:34 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 18:53:33 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> snip
>>>>>
>>>>> I just remembered! We would take a bundle of rags and be given a
>>>>> balloon!
>>>>> Sometimes it would be a goldfish in a bag
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh my ... memories ...
>>>>
>>>> and your grandchildren will tell their children that they remember a
>>>> time when you had a heavy phone attached to a wire that you had to
>>>> dial.
>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>> I won't have any grandchildren but I do still have a phone attached
>>> to a wire. It's not heavy, though. I'm required to have a
>>> hard-wired landline for the security alarm system. So I have one
>>> phone with a cord and one cordless. Doesn't bother me; I hate
>>> talking on the phone anyway.
>>>
>>> Jill

>>
>> I have one hanging on the wall in the kitchen, and like you a couple
>> of cordless too, but I'm not crazy about talking on the phone either
>> and except for a couple of friends, I do short conversations.

>
> I love talking on the phone. Is that depressing? I'll never know
> unless somebody tells me. I am meeting my one friend later in the
> week. We don't get to get together in person too often for various
> reasons. But we talk on the phone at least once a week. And our calls
> will often last so long that my cordless phone will die. It holds a
> charge for a good 5 hours at least.
>
> I went into the back house and discovered that somebody had unplugged
> the phone back there. Probably doesn't matter. We rarely use the
> building and my husband won't answer the house phone anyway. He is
> mainly the one who uses that building.



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On 8/19/2015 3:30 PM, Cheri wrote:
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> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 8/18/2015 3:34 PM, Janet B wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 18:53:33 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> snip
>>>>
>>>> I just remembered! We would take a bundle of rags and be given a
>>>> balloon!
>>>> Sometimes it would be a goldfish in a bag
>>>>
>>>> Oh my ... memories ...
>>>
>>> and your grandchildren will tell their children that they remember a
>>> time when you had a heavy phone attached to a wire that you had to
>>> dial.
>>> Janet US
>>>

>> I won't have any grandchildren but I do still have a phone attached to
>> a wire. It's not heavy, though. I'm required to have a hard-wired
>> landline for the security alarm system. So I have one phone with a
>> cord and one cordless. Doesn't bother me; I hate talking on the phone
>> anyway.
>>
>> Jill

>
> I have one hanging on the wall in the kitchen, and like you a couple of
> cordless too, but I'm not crazy about talking on the phone either and
> except for a couple of friends, I do short conversations.
>
> Cheri



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> On 8/17/2015 9:53 AM, Quemado wrote:
> Begone, you obese biotch!
>
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>
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>
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I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.
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On 8/16/2015 4:53 PM, Quemado wrote:
> sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 17:14:44 -0600, Quemado > wrote:
>>
>>> sf wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 10:20:18 -0600, truth and honor > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:08:03 -0600, truth and honor > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Manipulating the oil market did it, not star wars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gorby himself cited SDI, said playing catch-up pretty well
>>>>>>>>>> bankrupted
>>>>>>>>>> the USSR.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gorby had a bad handle on his economics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- sf
>>>>>>> They had minimal GDP, that fairly well doomed them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At that time CCCP was a very much minor oil player.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Their strength was arms export.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All facts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They were trying to build their oil exports, needed the money because
>>>>>> you can only sell so many arms. The rug was pulled out from under
>>>>>> them and they collapsed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not by us, our oil production at the time was severely impinged by the
>>>>> Saudis over-pumping.
>>>>>
>>>>> But we did SDI them to the poor house, a GOOD thing.
>>>>
>>>> The Saudis over pumped because we wanted them to.
>>>
>>> I never saw a citation for that, if anything it collapsed a good portion
>>> of our domestic E&P for a decade.

>>
>> Here is the #1 hit with the search term: what caused the collapse of
>> the soviet economy.
>>
>> Read "collapse of an empire".
>> http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/sovietcollapse.htm
>>
>> Internal corruption combined with decentralization and doing too much
>> too quickly in terms of economic reform (which all boiled down to:
>> people were starving) were some, not all, of the causes. IOW: it was
>> a colossal screw up.

>
> Good cite, no question they were in disarray economically. as one would
> expect of a nation fueled by Vodka.
>
> But, best cite:
>
> "The planners and decision-makers had to face the fact that it was
> economically impossible for the Soviet Union to increase the share of
> its output going to the military. The Soviet authorities then ended the
> arms race and called off the Cold War. When the justification of an
> external threat was removed there was no reason for the Russian public
> to toleratel the totalitarian regime and the political system fell apart.
>
> Many scientist doubted that the Star Wars anti-missile system would
> work. The Soviet strategic planners had to presume that it would work. "
>
> But the part you were driving at is:
>
> "Although Gaidar's book does not delve into the reason for the decline
> in petroleum prices in the late 1980's there is evidence that this
> occurred because of a conspiracy between the American Central
> Intelligence Agency (C.I.A.) the leaders of Saudi Arabia to punish the
> Soviet Union for its invasion of Afghanistan. Saudi Arabia increased its
> production of petroleum drastically and consequently the price of
> petroleum fell. "
>
> I'm not quite as sold on that premise, but certainly it is a nuance
> "internalized economic actiuvity" to be considered.
>
> But as I was pointing out it wasn't because the USSR was a great oil
> producer then, as they were not.
>
>> Also read Unintended Consequences here
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predic...e_Soviet_Union
>>
>>>
>>>> The Soviet economy
>>>> was in the process of collapse and that was the coup de grce.
>>>
>>> SDI you mean?

>>
>> I did not. Star Wars was our black hole and the Soviet Union was just
>> a convenient excuse at the time to enrich our military-industrial war
>> machine. Of course military spending depleted their budget and they
>> weren't exporting enough weapons to support their expenditures.
>> However, the collapse of the USSR was caused by a lack of food (grain)
>> which they had to import (money out) and a lack of income that could
>> have been supplied by their vast oil fields or exported goods.

>
> Their oil production then was not all that vast at the time.
>
> Regardless, check this premise out:
>
> http://www.susmitkumar.net/index.php...nks-not-reagan
>
>
> "Premier Mikhail Gorbachev attempted to reform the Soviet economy in the
> 1980s with “glasnost” (freedom of speech, transparency in government)
> and “perestroika” (reconstruction of economy, economic reforms), for
> which he needed money. Western banks, especially German, initially gave
> the Soviet Union loans, but subsequently stopped, leading to economic
> crisis in the U.S.S.R. Soviet intervention in Afghanistan in the 1980s
> also resulted in a financial black hole. Lower crude oil prices during
> the late 1980s, oil being the primary Soviet export, further exacerbated
> the situation.
>
> After record-breaking prices in the early 1980s, oil prices plummeted in
> the second half of the decade. Oil was the main export and source of
> hard currency for the U.S.S.R. Insufficient investment and lack of the
> modern technology needed to harness hard-to-reach oil fields prevented
> her from expanding production, however, and in fact Soviet oil
> production began to decline. The government was also borrowing heavily
> to modernize its economy. These two factors led to a rise in Soviet
> external debt. In 1985, oil earnings and net debt were $22 billion and
> $18 billion, respectively; by 1989, these numbers had become $13 billion
> and $44 billion, respectively. By 1991, when external debt was $57
> billion, creditors (many of whom were major German banks) stopped making
> loans and started demanding repayments, causing the Soviet economy to
> collapse. [2]
>
> Had oil prices increased, like they have during the Putin administration
> this decade, or had German banks financed Gorbachev’s perestroika like
> Japan financed Reagan’s deficits, the U.S.S.R. and communism would not
> have collapsed in 1991 at all."
>> They
>> had nothing except their arms to export and I bet most of that income
>> with to the Russian Mafia, not the government. A war based economy is
>> doomed to fail. You simply can't support a massive country like that
>> large without diversifying... and feed your people, for god-sake.
>>
>> Their only hope for a Saudi style income was to exploit their vast oil
>> reserves. Unfortunately for them, the type of oil well needed to pump
>> that crude is expensive to drill and can't be turned on and off like a
>> spigot. With the price of oil per barrel artificially low, it made no
>> sense for an already stressed economy (remember how the USSR was
>> gobbling up other countries daily) to develop that resource.

>
> This I agree with.
>
>> The good news for us is that the cost of shale oil production has been
>> reduced as well as the environmental impact (they are almost at a
>> chemical and water free stage of technology now). Shale wells can be
>> shut down in response to price fluctuations and restarted at will.
>> I'm still not a proponent of fracking because of all the fissures they
>> cause in the earth's crust - which I suspect is why earthquakes on the
>> East Coast are more frequent now. Hopefully, we will wean ourselves
>> from the petroleum industry entirely in the near future.

>
> One can hope, yes.
>
>> Honestly, I'm done with this. You and I will never agree politically.
>> You can shore up your argument, I can shore up mine, but never the
>> twain shall meet. Let's agree to disagree and move onto the topic of
>> food.

>
> No, let's agree on a mixed economic peril in which their oil, vs. world
> pricing played a part, perhaps not the biggest one, but given the other
> factors enough to be contributory for sure.
>
> It was a domino slide, I just think we defense spent the thing into
> momentum before exogenous factors took hold.
>
>> Dinner out last night - we shared everything except my glass of white
>> wine: Sublime fried calamari & artichokes for the appetizer, pizza,
>> short ribs with polenta and sauteed fresh vegetables, followed by
>> affogato for dessert.
>>

>
> Heaven!
>
> And good cites too.
>
>
>> She cheered Boner on until we arrived at this.


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