I share a name with people all over the English-speaking world. For some
reason, I just got an email from Australia purporting to contain
my drug test results.

Do Australian employers have the right to drug test their workers?

On 17/07/2015 12:54 PM, wrote:
> I share a name with people all over the English-speaking world. For some
> reason, I just got an email from Australia purporting to contain
> my drug test results.
>
> Do Australian employers have the right to drug test their workers?
>
It would appear so but with limitations.

http://tinyurl.com/qxcfdvw for a few websites with further info.

I know that drug and alcohol testing is routinely carried out in the
mining industry here these days. This is not a bad thing in my opinion
as I worked in that industry in the 70s and drug and alcohol abuse was
rampant. Not so today however. I recall one colleague who was unable to
do any work unless he was well on the way to drunk as his DTs werequite
bad. Seemingly, his behaviour was tolerated by the company because he
was a very skilled crane specialist mechanic and they were in very short
supply. That sort of thing is definitely not tolerated these days.

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Xeno

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 15:00:29 +1000, Xeno >
> wrote:
>
>>On 17/07/2015 12:54 PM, wrote:
>>> I share a name with people all over the English-speaking world. For some
>>> reason, I just got an email from Australia purporting to contain
>>> my drug test results.
>>>
>>> Do Australian employers have the right to drug test their workers?
>>>
>>It would appear so but with limitations.
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/qxcfdvw for a few websites with further info.
>>
>>I know that drug and alcohol testing is routinely carried out in the
>>mining industry here these days. This is not a bad thing in my opinion
>>as I worked in that industry in the 70s and drug and alcohol abuse was
>>rampant. Not so today however. I recall one colleague who was unable to
>>do any work unless he was well on the way to drunk as his DTs werequite
>>bad. Seemingly, his behaviour was tolerated by the company because he
>>was a very skilled crane specialist mechanic and they were in very short
>>supply. That sort of thing is definitely not tolerated these days.
>
> Now you're telling me!

There ya go! Time to get into rehab Bruce old chap!

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On 17/07/2015 7:00 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:06:13 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 15:00:29 +1000, Xeno >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 17/07/2015 12:54 PM, wrote:
>>>>> I share a name with people all over the English-speaking world. For some
>>>>> reason, I just got an email from Australia purporting to contain
>>>>> my drug test results.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do Australian employers have the right to drug test their workers?
>>>>>
>>>> It would appear so but with limitations.
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/qxcfdvw for a few websites with further info.
>>>>
>>>> I know that drug and alcohol testing is routinely carried out in the
>>>> mining industry here these days. This is not a bad thing in my opinion
>>>> as I worked in that industry in the 70s and drug and alcohol abuse was
>>>> rampant. Not so today however. I recall one colleague who was unable to
>>>> do any work unless he was well on the way to drunk as his DTs werequite
>>>> bad. Seemingly, his behaviour was tolerated by the company because he
>>>> was a very skilled crane specialist mechanic and they were in very short
>>>> supply. That sort of thing is definitely not tolerated these days.
>>>
>>> Now you're telling me!
>>
>> There ya go! Time to get into rehab Bruce old chap!
>
> I was hoping I could just stop repairing cranes
>
Is that your stock in trade Bruce? I'm sure you won't be the chap I
knew. For one, he was a Kiwi. For another, he was 40+ back in the 70s
though, it has to be said, he looked much older. I doubt he would be
still extant amongst the living after all this time. He looked a mess then!

--

Xeno

In article >,
says...
>
> I share a name with people all over the English-speaking world. For some
> reason, I just got an email from Australia purporting to contain
> my drug test results.
>
> Do Australian employers have the right to drug test their workers?

They do in the USA.

US department of labor website

http://www.dol.gov/elaws/asp/drugfre...s/screen92.asp
"The majority of employers across the United States are NOT required
to drug test and many state and local governments have statutes that
limit or prohibit workplace testing, unless required by state or Federal
regulations for certain jobs. Also, drug testing is NOT required under
the Drug-Free Workplace Act of 1988. On the other hand, most private
employers have the right to test for a wide variety of substances. <...>
The current law in the private sector generally permits non-union
companies to require applicants and/or employees to take drug tests."

My husband's US employer Motorola operated a universal drug-testing
requirement.

Janet UK.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:06:13 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 15:00:29 +1000, Xeno >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 17/07/2015 12:54 PM, wrote:
>>>>> I share a name with people all over the English-speaking world. For
>>>>> some
>>>>> reason, I just got an email from Australia purporting to contain
>>>>> my drug test results.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do Australian employers have the right to drug test their workers?
>>>>>
>>>>It would appear so but with limitations.
>>>>
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/qxcfdvw for a few websites with further info.
>>>>
>>>>I know that drug and alcohol testing is routinely carried out in the
>>>>mining industry here these days. This is not a bad thing in my opinion
>>>>as I worked in that industry in the 70s and drug and alcohol abuse was
>>>>rampant. Not so today however. I recall one colleague who was unable to
>>>>do any work unless he was well on the way to drunk as his DTs werequite
>>>>bad. Seemingly, his behaviour was tolerated by the company because he
>>>>was a very skilled crane specialist mechanic and they were in very short
>>>>supply. That sort of thing is definitely not tolerated these days.
>>>
>>> Now you're telling me!
>>
>>There ya go! Time to get into rehab Bruce old chap!
>
> I was hoping I could just stop repairing cranes

lol

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"Xeno" > wrote in message
...
> On 17/07/2015 7:00 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:06:13 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 15:00:29 +1000, Xeno >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 17/07/2015 12:54 PM, wrote:
>>>>>> I share a name with people all over the English-speaking world. For
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> reason, I just got an email from Australia purporting to contain
>>>>>> my drug test results.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do Australian employers have the right to drug test their workers?
>>>>>>
>>>>> It would appear so but with limitations.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/qxcfdvw for a few websites with further info.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that drug and alcohol testing is routinely carried out in the
>>>>> mining industry here these days. This is not a bad thing in my opinion
>>>>> as I worked in that industry in the 70s and drug and alcohol abuse was
>>>>> rampant. Not so today however. I recall one colleague who was unable
>>>>> to
>>>>> do any work unless he was well on the way to drunk as his DTs
>>>>> werequite
>>>>> bad. Seemingly, his behaviour was tolerated by the company because he
>>>>> was a very skilled crane specialist mechanic and they were in very
>>>>> short
>>>>> supply. That sort of thing is definitely not tolerated these days.
>>>>
>>>> Now you're telling me!
>>>
>>> There ya go! Time to get into rehab Bruce old chap!
>>
>> I was hoping I could just stop repairing cranes
>>
> Is that your stock in trade Bruce? I'm sure you won't be the chap I knew.
> For one, he was a Kiwi. For another, he was 40+ back in the 70s though, it
> has to be said, he looked much older. I doubt he would be still extant
> amongst the living after all this time. He looked a mess then!

We must demand photos of Bruce!

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Xeno, alcohol is a preservative. LOL.

N.

On 17/07/2015 10:27 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
> Xeno, alcohol is a preservative. LOL.
>
> N.
>
Yes but you'll notice that what is preserved is also "dead". That is not
quite "my" idea of preservation.

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Xeno

On 2015-07-17, Janet > wrote:

> My husband's US employer Motorola operated a universal drug-testing
> requirement.

Most places do. One of the reasons I retired, early. I usta think it
was due to workplace paranoia, but then I discovered it's really big
pharma making big $$$$ from testing.

Too many possibilities for false positives, ruining a reputation, etc.
I'd already had something similar happen to me. It was assumed I was
a very heavy drinker due to specific reading on a voluntary blood
test. This had already been tested, yrs before, by my abstaining from
any drink for 6 mos prior to testing and the results were the same.
My doc sed, it's a rarity, but some ppl jes have a high reading on
that particular test. My company didn't see it that way. I was
forced to resign from volunteer membership on a hazmat team and missed
certain advancement opportunities due to a natural genetic aberration
of my liver.

Drug testing; bah, humbug!!

nb

On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 19:54:50 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

>I share a name with people all over the English-speaking world. For some
>reason, I just got an email from Australia purporting to contain
>my drug test results.
>
>Do Australian employers have the right to drug test their workers?

Short answer is yes, these days it is viewed as an 'safety obligation'
by many employers. AFAIK, it's not possible to get a job in the mining
or construction industries without one. We seemed to get by just fine
without all this nonsense in the past, but not now, apparently.

On 17 Jul 2015 14:27:58 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-07-17, Janet > wrote:
>
>> My husband's US employer Motorola operated a universal drug-testing
>> requirement.
>
>Most places do. One of the reasons I retired, early. I usta think it
>was due to workplace paranoia, but then I discovered it's really big
>pharma making big $$$$ from testing.
>
>Too many possibilities for false positives, ruining a reputation, etc.
>I'd already had something similar happen to me. It was assumed I was
>a very heavy drinker due to specific reading on a voluntary blood
>test. This had already been tested, yrs before, by my abstaining from
>any drink for 6 mos prior to testing and the results were the same.
>My doc sed, it's a rarity, but some ppl jes have a high reading on
>that particular test. My company didn't see it that way. I was
>forced to resign from volunteer membership on a hazmat team and missed
>certain advancement opportunities due to a natural genetic aberration
>of my liver.
>
>Drug testing; bah, humbug!!

Your experience sucks. IMO, all the B.S involved in drug testing far
outweighs the few benefits. I can recall when I was in paid employment
that a couple of the hardest working people I worked with were
alcoholics. We (being employees and employers) seemed to get by just
fine by self-policing any problem people.

On 7/17/2015 3:40 PM, wrote:
> I can recall when I was in paid employment
> that a couple of the hardest working people I worked with were
> alcoholics.


Nice company you keep...

On 2015-07-17, Jeßus > wrote:


> that a couple of the hardest working people I worked with were
> alcoholics.

As usual, we can thank shyster lawyers for this state of affairs.

I spent most of my life in the 3 martini lunch days. Oh, I didn't
drink martinis for lunch. I'm saying drinking was not only tolerated,
it was encouraged. Heck, I've had chugging contests with my top boss.
He won!

I was with my last comany long enough to see the change in corporate
policy. It happened almost overnight. One month, my hugely
successful company is throwing bonus parties serving free beer, and
right on their own corporate campuses. The Denny's across the street
from the campus I worked at had the only cocktail lounge I've ever
seen attached to a Denny's. Two guesses who kept it in business.

Within ond yr, it became taboo to even mention drinking around the
workplace. No bonus parties, no cocktail lounges, no company
sponsored keggers. Soon after, the law enforcement community
discovered how much $$$$ can be made on D[U|W]I convictions. The rest
is known history.

nb

On 2015-07-17 08:27, Nancy2 wrote:
> Xeno, alcohol is a preservative. LOL.

It has Kept me going.
:-)

On 7/17/2015 7:14 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-07-17 08:27, Nancy2 wrote:
>> Xeno, alcohol is a preservative. LOL.
>
> It has Kept me going.
> :-)
>


Like every other canuckleheaded sot.

On 7/16/2015 10:54 PM, wrote:
> I share a name with people all over the English-speaking world. For some
> reason, I just got an email from Australia purporting to contain
> my drug test results.
>
> Do Australian employers have the right to drug test their workers?
>

Sounds like phishing to me.

On 17 Jul 2015 22:58:13 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2015-07-17, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>
>> that a couple of the hardest working people I worked with were
>> alcoholics.
>
>As usual, we can thank shyster lawyers for this state of affairs.
>
>I spent most of my life in the 3 martini lunch days. Oh, I didn't
>drink martinis for lunch. I'm saying drinking was not only tolerated,
>it was encouraged. Heck, I've had chugging contests with my top boss.
>He won!
>
>I was with my last comany long enough to see the change in corporate
>policy. It happened almost overnight. One month, my hugely
>successful company is throwing bonus parties serving free beer, and
>right on their own corporate campuses. The Denny's across the street
>from the campus I worked at had the only cocktail lounge I've ever
>seen attached to a Denny's. Two guesses who kept it in business.
>
>Within ond yr, it became taboo to even mention drinking around the
>workplace. No bonus parties, no cocktail lounges, no company
>sponsored keggers. Soon after, the law enforcement community
>discovered how much $$$$ can be made on D[U|W]I convictions. The rest
>is known history.

Welcome to the age of reason...

Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 19:54:50 -0700 (PDT),
> wrote:
>
> > I share a name with people all over the English-speaking world. For
> > some reason, I just got an email from Australia purporting to
> > contain my drug test results.
> >
> > Do Australian employers have the right to drug test their workers?
>
> Short answer is yes, these days it is viewed as an 'safety obligation'
> by many employers. AFAIK, it's not possible to get a job in the mining
> or construction industries without one. We seemed to get by just fine
> without all this nonsense in the past, but not now, apparently.

Troll spammer, I got and deleted the same email from OZ.

Carol

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On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 22:00:55 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Je_us wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 19:54:50 -0700 (PDT),
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I share a name with people all over the English-speaking world. For
>> > some reason, I just got an email from Australia purporting to
>> > contain my drug test results.
>> >
>> > Do Australian employers have the right to drug test their workers?
>>
>> Short answer is yes, these days it is viewed as an 'safety obligation'
>> by many employers. AFAIK, it's not possible to get a job in the mining
>> or construction industries without one. We seemed to get by just fine
>> without all this nonsense in the past, but not now, apparently.
>
>Troll spammer, I got and deleted the same email from OZ.

Ahh, another scam.