On 1/31/2016 8:50 PM, jinx the minx wrote:

>> My guess is that Korea will overtake the Japanese very soon. Hyundai
>> builds a world class car that will stands up to most any car in the
>> world. Well, that's just my opinion anyway. Your milage may differ.
>>
>> The great thing about Hyundais is that they're build in the US in one of
>> the most advanced car plant in the world. It shows that Americans can
>> build high quality cars if the management considers it important.
>>
>> Anybody that insists that China builds cheap junk has been spending too
>> much time at Walmart. If you want to see Chinese-made products that are
>> neither cheap nor junk just go to your nearest Apple store.
>>
>
> That's not entirely true. Only half of the Hyundais sold in the US are
> manufactured in the US. My Hyundai was manufactured in Korea.
>

Sonata and Santa Fe are built in Alabama. By now the Elantra should be.
Their goal is to build 80% in the US. That would best Ford that
builds more than 20% in Mexico and Canada. GM and Chrysler are less
than 70% in the US.

On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 3:50:13 PM UTC-10, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 3:01:56 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2016-01-31 7:10 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I've seen it at work over the years. I've heard "we like your
> >>>> quality, but we like brand X price better". Make a choice. We
> >>>> won't make junk, we won't sell at a loss.
> >>>
> >>> The idea that China cannot make high quality goods is pretty much due
> >>> to ignorance. The US and European countries know better. Actually,
> >>> it's the US that is unable to make quality stuff. Well, they can but
> >>> it's going to cost an arm and a leg and you have to put a minimum
> >>> order of a bazillion pieces. Mostly the US is good at raising
> >>> chickens, cars, and microprocessors.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I think that China has been going through the same industrial growing
> >> pains that postwar Japan did. Back in the 1950s there were a lot of
> >> cheap Japanese products on the market and "Made in Japan" was synonymous
> >> with poorly made. There were a lot of toys made with stamped metal held
> >> together by tabs bent through slots. Those things were so hazardous that
> >> they would not be allowed on the market today. I remember when Datsun
> >> cars entered the local market. They were the most inexpensive cars
> >> available and people assumed they were crap. They turned out to be very
> >> reliable and economical vehicles. They quickly improved. Japanese cars
> >> are now highly regarded.
> >
> > My guess is that Korea will overtake the Japanese very soon. Hyundai
> > builds a world class car that will stands up to most any car in the
> > world. Well, that's just my opinion anyway. Your milage may differ.
> >
> > The great thing about Hyundais is that they're build in the US in one of
> > the most advanced car plant in the world. It shows that Americans can
> > build high quality cars if the management considers it important.
> >
> > Anybody that insists that China builds cheap junk has been spending too
> > much time at Walmart. If you want to see Chinese-made products that are
> > neither cheap nor junk just go to your nearest Apple store.
> >
>
> That's not entirely true. Only half of the Hyundais sold in the US are
> manufactured in the US. My Hyundai was manufactured in Korea.
>
> --
> jinx the minx

I already knew this. I did not want to get into manufacturing numbers, percentages, and models. There was no intention to mislead, just an effort to keep my posts short.

On 2016-02-01, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 1/31/2016 5:43 PM, John Kuthe wrote:

>> That's disgusting notbob!! Sending money to China rather than
>> keeping it here in the U

> I'd agree if it was a few dollars, but depending on his wage at the
> time,

Oh, I had the money. That was never the issue. But, the Chinese
floor jack was simply of better quality. It would be the epitome of
stupidity for me to pay more for poorer quality merely because of what
a label alleges.

nb

On 2/1/2016 10:59 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-02-01, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 1/31/2016 5:43 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>
>>> That's disgusting notbob!! Sending money to China rather than
>>> keeping it here in the U
>
>> I'd agree if it was a few dollars, but depending on his wage at the
>> time,
>
> Oh, I had the money. That was never the issue. But, the Chinese
> floor jack was simply of better quality. It would be the epitome of
> stupidity for me to pay more for poorer quality merely because of what
> a label alleges.
>
> nb
>

Two other factors that sometimes come into play when considering a
purchase. .
1. It may even be the identical product but under the brand of a US company
2. At $140 you may not justify buying the products, but at $38 is is a
handy tool.

Harbor Freight is notorious for having low priced stuff from China. Some
good, some not so good. I've bought a few items that were absolutely
identical to the high priced brands at other stores.

On 1/29/2016 11:18 AM, Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> On 2015-04-09 18:34:05 +0000, Kalmia said:
>
>> Maybe I was overwrought by the relatively low price for a huge bottle
>> of vanilla - 8 oz - now I'm wondering if it'll go off. I probably use
>> about 3 oz per year, if that.


If it gets into the wrong company it can surely go bad.

On 2016-02-01, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> Harbor Freight is notorious for having low priced stuff from China. Some
> good, some not so good. I've bought a few items that were absolutely
> identical to the high priced brands at other stores.

You nailed it, Ed.

I bought a cpl things from HF. Elsewhere, I bought a Chinese
hand-held pwr bandsaw for 1/2 of what Milwaukee Elect Tool charges and
it works jes as well. Can even use Milwaukee saw blades. My buddy
bought a plug-in knibbler from HF fer $38. Last time I priced a pwr
knibbler that could cut that heavy a gauge of metal, it was air-driven
and cost $400+. My buddy's HF cheapo electric knibbler worked jes
fine.


The USA is like any other country, in that they will sell you exactly
what you want to buy. They will make --and charge!-- exactly what you
are willing to pay. Still, this is no guarantee. I've been trying to
buy an Accu-Gage M series (made is USA) tire pressure gage. The
factory sez they're having problems finding parts. That model has
been unavailable for the last 6 mos.

I paid $1000 for a German/American designed firearm. Sure, the
manufacturing plant is right here in the USA (NH), but that didn't
stop the company from having QC issues and selling me a firearm with
an out-of-spec part. It was bad enough I hadda return the almost
brand-new firearm in pieces, to the factory, for this sole part
replacement, but my Chinese-made Bug-O-Salt shotgun ($39) works
flawlessly.

Let's see. Thirty-nine dollars for a perfectly functioning Chinese
toy gun vs one thousand dollars for a serious, yet faulty, out-o-spec,
Made in USA, firearm? Apparently, price and/or place of mfr means
less than zip.

Wait until this oil glut goes away. You'll all be buying Chinese.

nb

In article
-september.
org>, jinx the minx > wrote:

> dsi1 > wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 3:01:56 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2016-01-31 7:10 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> > Anybody that insists that China builds cheap junk has been spending too
> > much time at Walmart. If you want to see Chinese-made products that are
> > neither cheap nor junk just go to your nearest Apple store.
> >
>
> That's not entirely true. Only half of the Hyundais sold in the US are
> manufactured in the US. My Hyundai was manufactured in Korea.

I was a kid during the "cheap Japanese junk" phase. And it was! They'd
recently lost a devastating war. Then they miraculously started
producing superior vehicles including motorcycles.
I now have a automotive philosophy and ask a question to anyone who
wonders why I buy Japanese cars. Would you rather have a car made by a
American union worker with all the protections, buffers and benefits
provided by their union with full government backing, or would you
prefer to buy that car from a Japanese worker who would shame their
ancestors if they did a imperfect job?
My current Toyota was made in Laredo, TX. I don't think Toyota
management there would shame their ancestors or their company.
My other car is a Subaru made in Japan.

leo

"Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
...

> I was a kid during the "cheap Japanese junk" phase. And it was! They'd
> recently lost a devastating war. Then they miraculously started
> producing superior vehicles including motorcycles.
> I now have a automotive philosophy and ask a question to anyone who
> wonders why I buy Japanese cars. Would you rather have a car made by a
> American union worker with all the protections, buffers and benefits
> provided by their union with full government backing, or would you
> prefer to buy that car from a Japanese worker who would shame their
> ancestors if they did a imperfect job?
> My current Toyota was made in Laredo, TX. I don't think Toyota
> management there would shame their ancestors or their company.
> My other car is a Subaru made in Japan.
>

I agree!! Ours are old Japanese imports (Mitsubishi) and they are great


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On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 12:49:52 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > I was a kid during the "cheap Japanese junk" phase. And it was! They'd
> > recently lost a devastating war. Then they miraculously started
> > producing superior vehicles including motorcycles.
> > I now have a automotive philosophy and ask a question to anyone who
> > wonders why I buy Japanese cars. Would you rather have a car made by a
> > American union worker with all the protections, buffers and benefits
> > provided by their union with full government backing, or would you
> > prefer to buy that car from a Japanese worker who would shame their
> > ancestors if they did a imperfect job?
> > My current Toyota was made in Laredo, TX. I don't think Toyota
> > management there would shame their ancestors or their company.
> > My other car is a Subaru made in Japan.
> >
>
> I agree!! Ours are old Japanese imports (Mitsubishi) and they are great
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

My sister-in-law had a Plymouth Arrow that was just spiffy. That was a real looker and it had a wonderfully smooth 4 cylinder engine that was unlike any other. It felt like an electric motor rather than a piston engine. I had a heap of fun with my Mitsubishi-made Dodge Colt. Beats the heck out of me why Mitsubishi never made it big in America. They made some awesome cars.

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 10:36:00 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>My sister-in-law had a Plymouth Arrow that was just spiffy. That was a real looker and it had a wonderfully smooth 4 cylinder engine that was unlike any other. It felt like an electric motor rather than a piston engine. I had a heap of fun with my Mitsubishi-made Dodge Colt. Beats the heck out of me why Mitsubishi never made it big in America. They made some awesome cars.

At least in Australia, Mitsubishi cars are by and large, complete crap
compared to any other Japanese make. Their commercial vehicles are
okay though.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 10:36:00 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>>My sister-in-law had a Plymouth Arrow that was just spiffy. That was a
>>real looker and it had a wonderfully smooth 4 cylinder engine that was
>>unlike any other. It felt like an electric motor rather than a piston
>>engine. I had a heap of fun with my Mitsubishi-made Dodge Colt. Beats the
>>heck out of me why Mitsubishi never made it big in America. They made some
>>awesome cars.
>
> At least in Australia, Mitsubishi cars are by and large, complete crap
> compared to any other Japanese make. Their commercial vehicles are
> okay though.

New ones?

Ours are old imports.

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On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 19:11:28 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 10:36:00 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>My sister-in-law had a Plymouth Arrow that was just spiffy. That was a
>>>real looker and it had a wonderfully smooth 4 cylinder engine that was
>>>unlike any other. It felt like an electric motor rather than a piston
>>>engine. I had a heap of fun with my Mitsubishi-made Dodge Colt. Beats the
>>>heck out of me why Mitsubishi never made it big in America. They made some
>>>awesome cars.
>>
>> At least in Australia, Mitsubishi cars are by and large, complete crap
>> compared to any other Japanese make. Their commercial vehicles are
>> okay though.
>
>New ones?
>
>Ours are old imports.

Not necessarily new ones. In Australia, the two most common Mitsubishi
cars are/were the Lancer and Magna/380. Just not terribly well made...
the Magna used to be manufactured in Australia (Mitsubishi shut down
here some years ago). Not sure if the Lancer was made here or in
Japan, but the general build quality wasn't all that great.

Your Pajero is a 4X4 and quite a bit better in quality, although I
wouldn't like to try to take one where I go in the bush I need a
utility/pickup, so a Pajero wouldn't suit me from that perspective
anyway. But as a general rugged vehicle, I think they're fine.

On 2/3/2016 9:09 AM, Je�us wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 10:36:00 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> My sister-in-law had a Plymouth Arrow that was just spiffy. That was a real looker and it had a wonderfully smooth 4 cylinder engine that was unlike any other. It felt like an electric motor rather than a piston engine. I had a heap of fun with my Mitsubishi-made Dodge Colt. Beats the heck out of me why Mitsubishi never made it big in America. They made some awesome cars.
>
> At least in Australia, Mitsubishi cars are by and large, complete crap
> compared to any other Japanese make. Their commercial vehicles are
> okay though.
>

That's because everything in the Southern hemisphere is the reverse of
the North. For more information on this please check your steering wheel.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 19:11:28 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 10:36:00 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>My sister-in-law had a Plymouth Arrow that was just spiffy. That was a
>>>>real looker and it had a wonderfully smooth 4 cylinder engine that was
>>>>unlike any other. It felt like an electric motor rather than a piston
>>>>engine. I had a heap of fun with my Mitsubishi-made Dodge Colt. Beats
>>>>the
>>>>heck out of me why Mitsubishi never made it big in America. They made
>>>>some
>>>>awesome cars.
>>>
>>> At least in Australia, Mitsubishi cars are by and large, complete crap
>>> compared to any other Japanese make. Their commercial vehicles are
>>> okay though.
>>
>>New ones?
>>
>>Ours are old imports.
>
> Not necessarily new ones. In Australia, the two most common Mitsubishi
> cars are/were the Lancer and Magna/380. Just not terribly well made...
> the Magna used to be manufactured in Australia (Mitsubishi shut down
> here some years ago). Not sure if the Lancer was made here or in
> Japan, but the general build quality wasn't all that great.
>
> Your Pajero is a 4X4 and quite a bit better in quality, although I
> wouldn't like to try to take one where I go in the bush I need a
> utility/pickup, so a Pajero wouldn't suit me from that perspective
> anyway. But as a general rugged vehicle, I think they're fine.

Yes I can see the need for a pick up but these are great for us)

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On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 23:04:21 -0800, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

> I was a kid during the "cheap Japanese junk" phase. And it was! They'd
> recently lost a devastating war. Then they miraculously started
> producing superior vehicles including motorcycles.
> I now have a automotive philosophy and ask a question to anyone who
> wonders why I buy Japanese cars. Would you rather have a car made by a
> American union worker with all the protections, buffers and benefits
> provided by their union with full government backing,

I blame the American automotive industry for not meeting the modern
age by improving their manufacturing process, not the workers who were
treated as if they were a warm blooded machine. The Japanese assembly
process is much better because the mind is fully engaged when they
build a car from beginning to end and a worker can stop the line when
they spot a problem.

> or would you
> prefer to buy that car from a Japanese worker who would shame their
> ancestors if they did a imperfect job?
> My current Toyota was made in Laredo, TX. I don't think Toyota
> management there would shame their ancestors or their company.
> My other car is a Subaru made in Japan.

Most of those autos are assembled by American workers right here in
the USA and many of their parts are made here too.

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sf

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 10:36:07 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

>On 2/3/2016 9:09 AM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 10:36:00 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My sister-in-law had a Plymouth Arrow that was just spiffy. That was a real looker and it had a wonderfully smooth 4 cylinder engine that was unlike any other. It felt like an electric motor rather than a piston engine. I had a heap of fun with my Mitsubishi-made Dodge Colt. Beats the heck out of me why Mitsubishi never made it big in America. They made some awesome cars.
>>
>> At least in Australia, Mitsubishi cars are by and large, complete crap
>> compared to any other Japanese make. Their commercial vehicles are
>> okay though.
>>
>
>That's because everything in the Southern hemisphere is the reverse of
>the North. For more information on this please check your steering wheel.

Our steering wheels are on the correct side! Added bonus to that is we
can import JDM (Japanese domestic market) cars which also have their
steering wheels on the correct side <G>.

On 2/4/2016 10:03 AM, Je�us wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 10:36:07 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> On 2/3/2016 9:09 AM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 10:36:00 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My sister-in-law had a Plymouth Arrow that was just spiffy. That was a real looker and it had a wonderfully smooth 4 cylinder engine that was unlike any other. It felt like an electric motor rather than a piston engine. I had a heap of fun with my Mitsubishi-made Dodge Colt. Beats the heck out of me why Mitsubishi never made it big in America. They made some awesome cars.
>>>
>>> At least in Australia, Mitsubishi cars are by and large, complete crap
>>> compared to any other Japanese make. Their commercial vehicles are
>>> okay though.
>>>
>>
>> That's because everything in the Southern hemisphere is the reverse of
>> the North. For more information on this please check your steering wheel.
>
> Our steering wheels are on the correct side! Added bonus to that is we
> can import JDM (Japanese domestic market) cars which also have their
> steering wheels on the correct side <G>.
>

Speak for yourself! When I'm in Japan, I don't take any chances - I
bring my own steering wheel.