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Brewing Your Own Beer, With Help From an App
By CLAIRE MARTINNOV. 22, 2014 Two years ago, craft beers were scarce in the pubs of Northern Ireland. The taps were dominated instead by megabrands like Guinness, Harp and Heineken. “Even basic I.P.A.s were very rare in the region,” recalls Chris McClelland, who says the situation is slowly improving. “Sometimes you could get them, but you spent a lot of money. We were very constrained in what we drank.” Mr. McClelland was the founder of a Belfast-based product design company called Cargo. He and three of his colleagues were so frustrated by the dearth of craft beers in town that they began experimenting with making their own, and even toyed with the idea of starting a brewery. But instead, they invented a machine that makes it easier for home brewers, bars, restaurants and even commercial breweries to make small batches of craft beer using their own ingredients and recipes. Last year, Mr. McClelland and the group decided to focus exclusively on beer and founded a company called Brewbot. Its main product is a stainless-steel-and-wood brewing machine that’s 4 feet wide, 4 feet tall and 2 feet deep, and that produces five-gallon batches of beer. It can be stowed in a garage or even in a large kitchen. For individuals, it’s a beer equivalent of a home-brewed coffee machine, yet it still encourages creativity and experimentation. For businesses, it’s a way to try new beers without the expense of enormous production runs. Customers can devise their own recipes, but also have access to recipes the company has created or collected from breweries around the world, including the Russian River Brewing Company in Santa Rosa, Calif., the Tiny Rebel Brewing Company in Wales and Galway Bay Brewery in Ireland. The machines are manufactured in Northern Ireland and will be delivered to customers starting in early 2015. The company says it has received about 80 preorders at a price of $2,300 to $4,200; the eventual retail price has not yet been set. Brewbot’s story illustrates the challenges and benefits of being a newcomer in a well-established industry. According to Joseph B. Lassiter, a professor at the Harvard Business School and faculty chairman of the Harvard Innovation Lab, it’s never a good idea for an entrepreneur to enter an industry completely cold. “You hear people make statements like ‘Because I had absolutely no experience in the business, I could reinvent it,’ ” he says. “In general, that’s a really stupid position.” Rather, it’s important “to have enough knowledge of the current system to know how to outcompete it.” In the case of Brewbot, the co-founders were experienced technologists. Mr. McClelland, the chief executive, had previously founded a smartphone app company. Reflecting that expertise, the machine has sensors that collect data, such as the temperature of the water in the vessel. It sends that information to a smartphone app that lets the brewer know when it’s time for the next step — adding hops, for instance. The machine is also connected to the Internet, allowing it to communicate with other Brewbots, and letting brewers swap and collaborate on recipes via a smartphone app. A Seattle-based competitor, PicoBrew, which makes a countertop brewing machine called the PicoBrew Zymatic, similarly was founded by a group of home-brewing enthusiasts, two of whom had spent their careers in the tech industry. Their machine brews 2.5 gallons of beer per batch; the retail price is $1,699. During their time experimenting with home brewing, Brewbot’s founders learned a lot more about beer, including why people buy it, how they drink it and how it’s made. The Brewbot team members had cobbled together a production kit using plastic buckets and kettles, and, like many home brewers, fumbled their way through their first few batches, calling on friends for advice and obsessing over the temperature of the ingredients. “It was a lot of monitoring and babysitting,” Mr. McClelland says of the process. “We were setting aside five hours to brew a batch of beer, but it was taking nine hours. It was a lot of effort to achieve one batch of beer.” And they had no idea how it would taste. Luckily, they liked it. So did the friends and relatives they shared it with as they made more batches. Craft brews are meant to be consumed soon after they’re made. Shipping them long distances can compromise flavor and freshness, so many brewers don’t do it. And when they do, heavy taxes on beer can make it expensive to buy. But by deconstructing the brewing process and creating a network where brewers can share recipes, Brewbot is allowing individuals and breweries to make beers they may not be able to buy at home. (To increase their revenue stream beyond selling a single, relatively expensive device, Brewbot also sells the hops, barley and yeast that go into the beer.) Brewbot’s founders and investors see value in creating a community around small-batch brewing. “You pull people into this ecosystem and hold onto them and engage them very deeply,” says Jason Seats, a managing director of the start-up accelerator Techstars, which invested in Brewbot. “You kind of own that group’s loyalty as long as you don’t betray their trust,” Mr. Seats says, adding that figuring out how to monetize the relationship isn’t the priority. Brewbot has raised $1.5 million in financing and plans to open a second office in the San Francisco Bay Area next year. Mr. Seats and Mr. McClelland both say they see the business as having the potential to “democratize” brewing. Mr. Seats imagines “all these different millions of variations, people trying different things, innovating their own recipes and discovering really interesting recipes and then being able to immediately syndicate those to other corners of the world.” He adds: “That’s a really exciting concept. And that’s what that makes us megabig in terms of potential.” |
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On 11/23/2014 1:00 AM, Travis McGee wrote:
> Brewing Your Own Beer, With Help From an App > > By CLAIRE MARTINNOV. 22, 2014 > > Two years ago, craft beers were scarce in the pubs of Northern Ireland. > The taps were dominated instead by megabrands like Guinness, Harp and > Heineken. > > “Even basic I.P.A.s were very rare in the region,” recalls Chris > McClelland, who says the situation is slowly improving. “Sometimes you > could get them, but you spent a lot of money. We were very constrained > in what we drank.” > > Mr. McClelland was the founder of a Belfast-based product design company > called Cargo. He and three of his colleagues were so frustrated by the > dearth of craft beers in town that they began experimenting with making > their own, and even toyed with the idea of starting a brewery. But > instead, they invented a machine that makes it easier for home brewers, > bars, restaurants and even commercial breweries to make small batches of > craft beer using their own ingredients and recipes. > > Last year, Mr. McClelland and the group decided to focus exclusively on > beer and founded a company called Brewbot. Its main product is a > stainless-steel-and-wood brewing machine that’s 4 feet wide, 4 feet tall > and 2 feet deep, and that produces five-gallon batches of beer. It can > be stowed in a garage or even in a large kitchen. > > For individuals, it’s a beer equivalent of a home-brewed coffee machine, > yet it still encourages creativity and experimentation. For businesses, > it’s a way to try new beers without the expense of enormous production > runs. > > Customers can devise their own recipes, but also have access to recipes > the company has created or collected from breweries around the world, > including the Russian River Brewing Company in Santa Rosa, Calif., the > Tiny Rebel Brewing Company in Wales and Galway Bay Brewery in Ireland. > > The machines are manufactured in Northern Ireland and will be delivered > to customers starting in early 2015. The company says it has received > about 80 preorders at a price of $2,300 to $4,200; the eventual retail > price has not yet been set. > > Brewbot’s story illustrates the challenges and benefits of being a > newcomer in a well-established industry. > > According to Joseph B. Lassiter, a professor at the Harvard Business > School and faculty chairman of the Harvard Innovation Lab, it’s never a > good idea for an entrepreneur to enter an industry completely cold. > > “You hear people make statements like ‘Because I had absolutely no > experience in the business, I could reinvent it,’ ” he says. “In > general, that’s a really stupid position.” Rather, it’s important “to > have enough knowledge of the current system to know how to outcompete it.” > > In the case of Brewbot, the co-founders were experienced technologists. > Mr. McClelland, the chief executive, had previously founded a smartphone > app company. Reflecting that expertise, the machine has sensors that > collect data, such as the temperature of the water in the vessel. It > sends that information to a smartphone app that lets the brewer know > when it’s time for the next step — adding hops, for instance. The > machine is also connected to the Internet, allowing it to communicate > with other Brewbots, and letting brewers swap and collaborate on recipes > via a smartphone app. > > A Seattle-based competitor, PicoBrew, which makes a countertop brewing > machine called the PicoBrew Zymatic, similarly was founded by a group of > home-brewing enthusiasts, two of whom had spent their careers in the > tech industry. Their machine brews 2.5 gallons of beer per batch; the > retail price is $1,699. > > During their time experimenting with home brewing, Brewbot’s founders > learned a lot more about beer, including why people buy it, how they > drink it and how it’s made. > > The Brewbot team members had cobbled together a production kit using > plastic buckets and kettles, and, like many home brewers, fumbled their > way through their first few batches, calling on friends for advice and > obsessing over the temperature of the ingredients. > > “It was a lot of monitoring and babysitting,” Mr. McClelland says of the > process. “We were setting aside five hours to brew a batch of beer, but > it was taking nine hours. It was a lot of effort to achieve one batch of > beer.” And they had no idea how it would taste. > > Luckily, they liked it. So did the friends and relatives they shared it > with as they made more batches. > > Craft brews are meant to be consumed soon after they’re made. Shipping > them long distances can compromise flavor and freshness, so many brewers > don’t do it. And when they do, heavy taxes on beer can make it expensive > to buy. > > But by deconstructing the brewing process and creating a network where > brewers can share recipes, Brewbot is allowing individuals and breweries > to make beers they may not be able to buy at home. (To increase their > revenue stream beyond selling a single, relatively expensive device, > Brewbot also sells the hops, barley and yeast that go into the beer.) > > Brewbot’s founders and investors see value in creating a community > around small-batch brewing. > > “You pull people into this ecosystem and hold onto them and engage them > very deeply,” says Jason Seats, a managing director of the start-up > accelerator Techstars, which invested in Brewbot. “You kind of own that > group’s loyalty as long as you don’t betray their trust,” Mr. Seats > says, adding that figuring out how to monetize the relationship isn’t > the priority. > > Brewbot has raised $1.5 million in financing and plans to open a second > office in the San Francisco Bay Area next year. > > Mr. Seats and Mr. McClelland both say they see the business as having > the potential to “democratize” brewing. Mr. Seats imagines “all these > different millions of variations, people trying different things, > innovating their own recipes and discovering really interesting recipes > and then being able to immediately syndicate those to other corners of > the world.” He adds: “That’s a really exciting concept. And that’s what > that makes us megabig in terms of potential.” The source for that article was http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/23/bu...om-an-app.html |
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On 2014-11-23, Travis McGee > wrote:
> Brewing Your Own Beer, With Help From an App I'll not go into all the errors I found in this article, but suffice to say, they are numerous. As for brewing, I have a 10 gal "all grain" system that I'll gladly sell for $2K. Yeah. Brewing beer is NOT cheaper. ![]() nb |
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On Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:32:54 AM UTC-6, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-11-23, Travis McGee > wrote: > > Brewing Your Own Beer, With Help From an App > > I'll not go into all the errors I found in this article, but suffice > to say, they are numerous. As for brewing, I have a 10 gal "all grain" > system that I'll gladly sell for $2K. > > Yeah. Brewing beer is NOT cheaper. ![]() > > nb There's a lot of special equipment required for even a modest all extract homebrewing operation, even before you buy the ingredients. It's a great hobby, but definitely not a way to save money on beer. |
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 00:03:31 -0800 (PST), Christopher Helms
> wrote: > On Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:32:54 AM UTC-6, notbob wrote: > > On 2014-11-23, Travis McGee > wrote: > > > Brewing Your Own Beer, With Help From an App > > > > I'll not go into all the errors I found in this article, but suffice > > to say, they are numerous. As for brewing, I have a 10 gal "all grain" > > system that I'll gladly sell for $2K. > > > > Yeah. Brewing beer is NOT cheaper. ![]() > > > > nb > > > There's a lot of special equipment required for even a modest all extract homebrewing operation, even before you buy the ingredients. It's a great hobby, but definitely not a way to save money on beer. People don't brew beer at home to save money, they do it to see if they can and they continue because they like to say: I did that. It's usually more expensive to make things yourself. It costs me as much or more to sew a dress or knit a sweater (to say nothing of the time I put in) as it would to just go to Macy's and buy whatever it is I want. I was thinking Ladder Golf looked easy enough to make myself, but when I thought about all the components + buying to tools to do it, I decided it was easier and cheaper just to buy the game. -- Never trust a dog to watch your food. |
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notbob wrote:
> On 2014-11-23, Travis McGee > wrote: >> Brewing Your Own Beer, With Help From an App > > I'll not go into all the errors I found in this article, but suffice > to say, they are numerous. As for brewing, I have a 10 gal "all grain" > system that I'll gladly sell for $2K. > > Yeah. Brewing beer is NOT cheaper. ![]() > > nb I brewed my own beer for a while 10 or 15 years ago. About 5 pound grain mashes, plus enough malt extract to brew an honest 5 gallons at a time. Not sure why I got out of it; I think that's about the time I got into guns and reloading, and I can only obsess about one hobby at a time. ![]() I'm about to get started again; going to try a 3 gallon all-grain Belgian Dubbel this weekend. I may stick with 3 and 4 gallon batches, or I might scale up to 5 or 6 gallons or more, but I will have to find a 10 gallon brew kettle for that. (or make one) I built an electric kettle ("hot liquor tank") out of a 90 mil plastic bucket. It will bring 4 gallons of cold water to a rolling boil in about 20 minutes. That should speed things up a bit when trying to brew in the kitchen on the stove. The first brew will still take all day because I have to make all the newbie mistakes again. Hopefully I can get that down to about 3 hours with a little practice. Bob |
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On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:21:10 PM UTC-6, zxcvbob wrote:
> notbob wrote: > > On 2014-11-23, Travis McGee > wrote: > >> Brewing Your Own Beer, With Help From an App > > > > I'll not go into all the errors I found in this article, but suffice > > to say, they are numerous. As for brewing, I have a 10 gal "all grain" > > system that I'll gladly sell for $2K. > > > > Yeah. Brewing beer is NOT cheaper. ![]() > > > > nb > > > I brewed my own beer for a while 10 or 15 years ago. About 5 pound > grain mashes, plus enough malt extract to brew an honest 5 gallons at a > time. Not sure why I got out of it; I think that's about the time I got > into guns and reloading, and I can only obsess about one hobby at a time. ![]() > > I'm about to get started again; going to try a 3 gallon all-grain > Belgian Dubbel this weekend. I may stick with 3 and 4 gallon batches, > or I might scale up to 5 or 6 gallons or more, but I will have to find a > 10 gallon brew kettle for that. (or make one) > > I built an electric kettle ("hot liquor tank") out of a 90 mil plastic > bucket. It will bring 4 gallons of cold water to a rolling boil in > about 20 minutes. That should speed things up a bit when trying to brew > in the kitchen on the stove. The first brew will still take all day > because I have to make all the newbie mistakes again. Hopefully I can > get that down to about 3 hours with a little practice. > > Bob I've been doing 5-6 lb. partial mashes for about four years now and have been thinking off and on about making the financial jump to all grain next spring. I'd also like to do lager, but the only compact refrigerator I can find that will fit a carboy is a Kegerator, and those are so damned expensive that a modest full size refrigerator would actually be cheaper. |
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