On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:22:23 -0300, wrote:

>On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 09:07:31 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 07:36:27 -0300, wrote:
>>snip
>>>
>>>With sheep generally the shepherd and his dog/s herded them on foot.
>>>The dogs doing nine tenths of the work, a wonderful sight to see when
>>>done correctly. Almost like a ballet.
>>
>>It is done in this state. Traditionally here, the sheepherders are
>>Basque. They take their flock into the mountains for the summer. The
>>dogs not only keep the flock together but also protect against
>>predation from wolves. We lost a couple of herding dogs to wolves
>>this year in our foothills near the city. The sheepherder's traveling
>>home is unique.
>>http://tinyurl.com/k5sykrl
>>Janet US
>
>I am amazed there would be sheep in Texas I remember reading
>about how the ranchers fought the advent of sheep out west, but
>whether it was actually Texas, I am not sure.
>
>I was thinking of sheepdogs on the Scottish moors, Yorkshire or Wales
>but yes, the Basques are big sheep people too. Nice little homes, I
>note also they use other breeds of dogs to guard the sheep, they do
>here too. I have heard some are using llamas very successfully.
>
>How did Basques wind up there ? Did they come as fishermen from the
>coast originally ? It's sometimes amazing where immigrants come from.

I'm the Janet in Idaho.
Wiki says:
"Basques were initially drawn to Idaho by the discovery of silver, in
settlements such as Silver City. Those that did not directly become
involved in mining engaged in ranching, selling beef and lamb products
to the miners. While some such immigrants returned to Basque Country,
many remained, later to be joined by their families following them in
immigration.[4] Exact counts of Basque immigrants to Idaho are not
practical to determine, as the United States Census did not
distinguish between Basques from other Spanish immigrants, though a
majority of Spanish immigrants to Idaho likely self-identified as
Basque"
Apparently the Basques immigrated to the Pacific Northwest. Initially
gold (Gold Rush) seems to have been the draw. Here in my city, Basque
pride is very strong.
Janet US

On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 17:38:23 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> No. I have never eaten lamb chops and probably most Americans have not.

I cooked lambchops just last night. Bought them at Trader Joe's.
They were from New Zealand - excellent flavor too. Maybe Atkin's
Ranch is dictating how they should be fed and what age to slaughter
them now because I didn't think they tasted "off". I was a bit
annoyed by how much fat I removed. Other than that, they were great.
I seasoned them with the "Hawaiian" salt mixture I told dsi1 about
yesterday and thyme. That's it. http://oi59.tinypic.com/x3txcg.jpg

I used the peach butter that I made Sunday as a condiment and served
them with broccolini that I grilled along with the lambchops + Trader
Joe's Brown Rice Medley (the one with diacon radish seeds), which was
cooked with *boxed* chicken stock instead of water. I had wanted to
use TJ's Harvest Grains blend, but didn't find the package until this
morning. Oh, well - I had 3 packages of the TJ's rice mixture and it
was a nice accompaniment.

> Lamb is not a commonly served food in this county and it certainly isn't
> cheap!

That's for sure. Those loin chops were $11.50 lb! Ouch.

<snip>
>
> My mom grew up on a farm and she never ate lamb.

We ate lamb when I was a kid and I didn't grow up on a farm. Well,
technically it was - they planted just enough fruit trees to qualify.



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On 2014-10-06, tert in seattle > wrote:

> if you make it with beef it's cowherd's pie
>
> now can we please proceed to the next stupid argument?

LOL!....

On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 15:41:34 -0300, wrote:


snip
>So they must have been miners I guess, very interesting. OK so now,
>I'll make a mental note, Janet US is in Idaho, sorry about that chief
>
No problem, it's all good

Janet US

In article >,
says...
>
> On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 07:36:27 -0300, wrote:
> snip
> >
> >With sheep generally the shepherd and his dog/s herded them on foot.
> >The dogs doing nine tenths of the work, a wonderful sight to see when
> >done correctly. Almost like a ballet.
>
> It is done in this state. Traditionally here, the sheepherders are
> Basque. They take their flock into the mountains for the summer. The
> dogs not only keep the flock together but also protect against
> predation from wolves. We lost a couple of herding dogs to wolves
> this year in our foothills near the city. The sheepherder's traveling
> home is unique.
> http://tinyurl.com/k5sykrl
> Janet US

Not "unique"; that is the style of gypsy caravans known all over
Europe

http://gypsywaggons.co.uk/

Janet UK

In article >,
says...
>
> On Monday, October 6, 2014 5:12:29 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>
> > Early Christian churches used Latin. Pastor is the Latin word for
> > shepherd. Flock is the collective term for sheep.
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> Actually sheep is a collective noun. Flock is just a normal noun.
>
> http://www.richardfisher.com

You have that back to front; sheep is not a collective noun, flock is
a collective noun.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> On 10/6/2014 2:15 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> > Shepherd is a contraction of 'Sheep Herder'. Just saying.
> >
>
> Okay, so to be called shepherd's pie, it must have sheep herders in it.
>
> OMG - shepherd's pie is PEOPLE!

No, you ignoramus. The apostrophe in "shepherd's" shows possession,
that the pie belongs to the shepherd.



Janet UK

On Monday, October 6, 2014 6:49:15 PM UTC-4, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >,
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 14:21:01 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
>
> > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >On Monday, October 6, 2014 3:15:14 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>
> > >> Shepherd is a contraction of 'Sheep Herder'. Just saying.
>
>
>
> > >I don't know what brought this up, but I notice that many people think they
>
> > >own a German ShepARD dog. The best one I've seen yet at the shelter is an
>
> > >Esicumo. (Eskimo)
>
> >
>
> > Yes I've seen that too - however - in the UK they are generally
>
> > referred to as Alsatians - or were - I am a bit out of touch now.
>
>
>
> Which puppy would you prefer to bring home for the family and new baby,
>
> a German shepherd or a Alsatian wolfhound? Words matter when you sell
>
> puppies ;-)
>
>
>
> leo

What I was alluding to was the misspelling of 'shepherd' by some owners of such. You should see how they mangle chihuahua.

On 10/6/2014 6:42 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>


>>> JohnJohn
>>
>> So when you make a "Shepherd's Pie" it should contain the meat from
>> sheep not beef or chicken or pork or goat or bison. So there...dat is
>> de message.
>> =========
>
> And why would you say that? They can only put their flock in the pie?
> If I was a shepherd, then the last thing I would want to eat would be a
> member of my flock.

The purpose of the flock is to provide wool and meat. Eat up.

On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 22:58:32 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 07:36:27 -0300, wrote:
>> snip
>> >
>> >With sheep generally the shepherd and his dog/s herded them on foot.
>> >The dogs doing nine tenths of the work, a wonderful sight to see when
>> >done correctly. Almost like a ballet.
>>
>> It is done in this state. Traditionally here, the sheepherders are
>> Basque. They take their flock into the mountains for the summer. The
>> dogs not only keep the flock together but also protect against
>> predation from wolves. We lost a couple of herding dogs to wolves
>> this year in our foothills near the city. The sheepherder's traveling
>> home is unique.
>> http://tinyurl.com/k5sykrl
>> Janet US
>
> Not "unique"; that is the style of gypsy caravans known all over
>Europe
>
>http://gypsywaggons.co.uk/
>
> Janet UK

It certainly seems they brought the familiar style with them.
Janet US

On 10/7/2014 9:00 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> I grew up on a farm, and farmers around here herd cows, and have cattle herds. Where do you live?
>
> N.
>

But I bet they were not herded by sheep herders or shepherds.

On 2014-10-06 16:24, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 20:15:14 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> Shepherd is a contraction of 'Sheep Herder'. Just saying.
>
> How do you explain pastors shepherding their flock?
>
>
The followers are sheep.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 22:58:32 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> says...
> >>
> >> On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 07:36:27 -0300, wrote:
> >> snip
> >> >
> >> >With sheep generally the shepherd and his dog/s herded them on foot.
> >> >The dogs doing nine tenths of the work, a wonderful sight to see when
> >> >done correctly. Almost like a ballet.
> >>
> >> It is done in this state. Traditionally here, the sheepherders are
> >> Basque. They take their flock into the mountains for the summer. The
> >> dogs not only keep the flock together but also protect against
> >> predation from wolves. We lost a couple of herding dogs to wolves
> >> this year in our foothills near the city. The sheepherder's traveling
> >> home is unique.
> >> http://tinyurl.com/k5sykrl
> >> Janet US
> >
> > Not "unique"; that is the style of gypsy caravans known all over
> >Europe
> >
> >http://gypsywaggons.co.uk/
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> It certainly seems they brought the familiar style with them.
> Janet US

Very interesting to hear the Basques use gypsy waggons over there,
heres what they use in the mountains back home :-)

http://france-for-visitors.com/pyren...umance-in-the-
pyrenees.html

stone hut

http://gillenea.photoshelter.com/gal...sque-shepherd-
transhumance/G0000OkKaq8y_fSM/I0000Qu0Gxub79fI

Interesting stuff about the history of transhumance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumance


Janet UK

On 2014-10-08 7:01 AM, wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 23:39:11 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-10-06 16:24, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 20:15:14 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Shepherd is a contraction of 'Sheep Herder'. Just saying.
>>>
>>> How do you explain pastors shepherding their flock?
>>>
>>>
>> The followers are sheep.
>
> Lol nice one!

:-) but fact is that it goes back to the new testament.

> How did the kyaking turn out ?

Well, it was cool and raining almost the entire time. I sprung a leak
in the rear hold while sliding over a beaver dam. The fall colours were
a little past their peak and about half the leaves were down... but.. it
was still beautiful. I saw a moose. Saw lots of scenery and had a great
time.

Downside is that our host is selling his cottage. The deal is supposed
to go through later this month, so we won't have that venue in the future.

On Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:21:40 AM UTC-4, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>
>
> Okay, so to be called shepherd's pie, it must have sheep herders in it.
>
It dates back to the days when men were men and sheep were scared.

http://www.richardfisher.com

On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 10:15:11 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2014-10-08 7:01 AM, wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 23:39:11 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2014-10-06 16:24, sf wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 20:15:14 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Shepherd is a contraction of 'Sheep Herder'. Just saying.
>>>>
>>>> How do you explain pastors shepherding their flock?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The followers are sheep.
>>
>> Lol nice one!
>
>:-) but fact is that it goes back to the new testament.
>
>> How did the kyaking turn out ?
>
>Well, it was cool and raining almost the entire time. I sprung a leak
>in the rear hold while sliding over a beaver dam. The fall colours were
>a little past their peak and about half the leaves were down... but.. it
>was still beautiful. I saw a moose. Saw lots of scenery and had a great
>time.
>
>Downside is that our host is selling his cottage. The deal is supposed
>to go through later this month, so we won't have that venue in the future.
>
That's a shame. Perhaps you'll be able to figure out something to be
able to do similar next year.
Janet US

On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 12:02:07 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 22:58:32 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
>> says...
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 07:36:27 -0300, wrote:
>> >> snip
>> >> >
>> >> >With sheep generally the shepherd and his dog/s herded them on foot.
>> >> >The dogs doing nine tenths of the work, a wonderful sight to see when
>> >> >done correctly. Almost like a ballet.
>> >>
>> >> It is done in this state. Traditionally here, the sheepherders are
>> >> Basque. They take their flock into the mountains for the summer. The
>> >> dogs not only keep the flock together but also protect against
>> >> predation from wolves. We lost a couple of herding dogs to wolves
>> >> this year in our foothills near the city. The sheepherder's traveling
>> >> home is unique.
>> >> http://tinyurl.com/k5sykrl
>> >> Janet US
>> >
>> > Not "unique"; that is the style of gypsy caravans known all over
>> >Europe
>> >
>> >http://gypsywaggons.co.uk/
>> >
>> > Janet UK
>>
>> It certainly seems they brought the familiar style with them.
>> Janet US
>
> Very interesting to hear the Basques use gypsy waggons over there,
>heres what they use in the mountains back home :-)
>
>http://france-for-visitors.com/pyren...umance-in-the-

>
>stone hut
>
>http://gillenea.photoshelter.com/gal...sque-shepherd-
>transhumance/G0000OkKaq8y_fSM/I0000Qu0Gxub79fI
>
> Interesting stuff about the history of transhumance
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumance
>
>
> Janet UK

Interesting article. The fact that the practice exists all over the
world suggests to me that early peoples observed the habits of wild
herds of deer, etc. and followed suit. When I first moved here, there
would be ads in the papers in the spring, looking for people to help
herd cattle to high mountain pastures. To an outsider, it looked like
such a lovely, romantic thing to do. I am sure the reality was
nothing at all like that
I couldn't get to the pictures. I don't know how to fix such long
links
Janet US

On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 09:43:54 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> I couldn't get to the pictures. I don't know how to fix such long
> links

Copy and paste it into your browser. It will paste as one long line.


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On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 09:41:38 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 09:43:54 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>> I couldn't get to the pictures. I don't know how to fix such long
>> links
>
>Copy and paste it into your browser. It will paste as one long line.
thank you.
Janet US

On 2014-10-08 10:26 AM, wrote:

>>>> The followers are sheep.
>>>
>>> Lol nice one!
>>
>> :-) but fact is that it goes back to the new testament.
>>
>>> How did the kyaking turn out ?
>>
>> Well, it was cool and raining almost the entire time. I sprung a leak
>> in the rear hold while sliding over a beaver dam. The fall colours were
>> a little past their peak and about half the leaves were down... but.. it
>> was still beautiful. I saw a moose. Saw lots of scenery and had a great
>> time.
>>
>> Downside is that our host is selling his cottage. The deal is supposed
>> to go through later this month, so we won't have that venue in the future.
>>
> Tents ?? Comfortable these days with those inflatable mattresses.
>

Tents are for other people to enjoy the great outdoors. There are few
things more boring that sitting in a tent in the rain and cold. On some
of the other trips they organize hotels or cottage rentals.
I took a pass on a one earlier in the summer than involved tents and an
outhouse to be shared by a dozen people in the middle of mosquito season.

In article >,
says...
> > Very interesting to hear the Basques use gypsy waggons over there,
> >heres what they use in the mountains back home :-)
> >
> >http://france-for-visitors.com/pyren...umance-in-the-
>
> >
> >stone hut
> >
> >http://gillenea.photoshelter.com/gal...sque-shepherd-
> >transhumance/G0000OkKaq8y_fSM/I0000Qu0Gxub79fI
> >
> > Interesting stuff about the history of transhumance
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumance
> >
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> Interesting article. The fact that the practice exists all over the
> world suggests to me that early peoples observed the habits of wild
> herds of deer, etc. and followed suit. When I first moved here, there
> would be ads in the papers in the spring, looking for people to help
> herd cattle to high mountain pastures. To an outsider, it looked like
> such a lovely, romantic thing to do. I am sure the reality was
> nothing at all like that
> I couldn't get to the pictures. I don't know how to fix such long
> links

here

http://tinyurl.com/l26jzqu

Janet UK

On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 15:05:27 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

snip
>
>Tents are for other people to enjoy the great outdoors. There are few
>things more boring that sitting in a tent in the rain and cold. On some
>of the other trips they organize hotels or cottage rentals.
>I took a pass on a one earlier in the summer than involved tents and an
>outhouse to be shared by a dozen people in the middle of mosquito season.
>
How to enjoy a tent in the rain and cold. Get a nice speckled, blue
enameled cup, toss in some ice from the cooler, open bottle of
bourbon, pour, sip. Nice ;-)
Janet US

On 2014-10-07 10:33 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/7/2014 9:00 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>
>> I grew up on a farm, and farmers around here herd cows, and have
>> cattle herds. Where do you live?
>>
>> N.
>>
>
> But I bet they were not herded by sheep herders or shepherds.


I can't help but think of the movie Brokeback Mountain, which was billed
as the story of a forbidden and secretive relationship between two
cowboys. They were shepherds, not cowboys, and there have long been
jokes and insinuations about the orientation of shepherds.

On 10/8/2014 10:09 AM, Helpful person wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:21:40 AM UTC-4, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>
>>
>> Okay, so to be called shepherd's pie, it must have sheep herders in it.
>>
> It dates back to the days when men were men and sheep were scared.

LOL

A New Zealander went to visit his friend and was amazed to find him
playing chess with his sheep.

He watched the game in astonishment for a while.

"I can hardly believe my eyes!" he exclaimed.

"That's the smartest sheep I've ever seen

"Nah, he's not so smart," the friend replied."I've beaten him three
games out of five.

Becca

On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 18:01:18 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 13:44:46 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 15:05:27 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>snip
>>>
>>>Tents are for other people to enjoy the great outdoors. There are few
>>>things more boring that sitting in a tent in the rain and cold. On some
>>>of the other trips they organize hotels or cottage rentals.
>>>I took a pass on a one earlier in the summer than involved tents and an
>>>outhouse to be shared by a dozen people in the middle of mosquito season.
>>>
>>How to enjoy a tent in the rain and cold. Get a nice speckled, blue
>>enameled cup, toss in some ice from the cooler, open bottle of
>>bourbon, pour, sip. Nice ;-)
>>Janet US
>
>Switch rum in there and I'll join you

That works for me. :-) There is something really nice about drinking
straight booze from a really cold enamel tin cup.
Janet US

On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 19:57:59 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 16:46:27 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 18:01:18 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 13:44:46 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 15:05:27 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>snip
>>>>>
>>>>>Tents are for other people to enjoy the great outdoors. There are few
>>>>>things more boring that sitting in a tent in the rain and cold. On some
>>>>>of the other trips they organize hotels or cottage rentals.
>>>>>I took a pass on a one earlier in the summer than involved tents and an
>>>>>outhouse to be shared by a dozen people in the middle of mosquito season.
>>>>>
>>>>How to enjoy a tent in the rain and cold. Get a nice speckled, blue
>>>>enameled cup, toss in some ice from the cooler, open bottle of
>>>>bourbon, pour, sip. Nice ;-)
>>>>Janet US
>>>
>>>Switch rum in there and I'll join you
>>
>>That works for me. :-) There is something really nice about drinking
>>straight booze from a really cold enamel tin cup.
>>Janet US
>
>With a chip in it

you've seen my cup?
Janet US