In article . com>,
says...
>
> On 8/2/2014 9:37 AM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >, says...
> >>
> >
> > Perhaps if you lived
> >> in an area with little sun, you'd feel the same. No sun does make
> >> you droopy. And mostly we have no sun.
> >
> > What crap. Seattle's at Latitude 46 N, further south than Russia,
> > Scandinavia and the entire UK .
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
>
> They do get an inordinate amount of rain up there. I spent two weeks in
> a town outside Seattle and saw the sun for about a total of 9 minutes.
> I could never live there. Very depressing.

Seattle gets less than half the annual rainfall we do :-)

Janet UK

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 2:57:56 AM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:10:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> > wrote:

>
> > Daughter has been drinking the energy drinks but
>
> >she's only allowed to have a couple of ounces at a time. Her friend drank a
>
> >whole one and it landed her in the hospital. My friend's son did the same
>
> >at about the same age and he too wound up in the hospital.
>
>
>
> Why then, would you buy that crap?

Hey, ED - HB from you-know-where. Just dropped in here on another mission and saw your comment. Allow me to echo it big-time. I wouldn't allow a young person, especially a young female, to drink sodas. These girls are supposed to be drinking milk and eating yoghurt and cheese to build strong bones for childbearing -- according to Nature's plan. Instead, they consume horrendous quantities of sugar water drinks. The incidence of EARLY osteopenia and even outright osteoporosis in these girls already in their early 20's is on a frightening increase. Where are the parents!!!!

HB

On 8/2/2014 6:56 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 8/2/2014 9:37 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps if you lived
>>> in an area with little sun, you'd feel the same. No sun does make
>>> you droopy. And mostly we have no sun.
>>
>> What crap. Seattle's at Latitude 46 N, further south than Russia,
>> Scandinavia and the entire UK .
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>
> They do get an inordinate amount of rain up there. I spent two weeks in
> a town outside Seattle and saw the sun for about a total of 9 minutes. I
> could never live there. Very depressing.
>

Scandinavian folks are into being depressed. That's why so many of them
choose that area to move to. My co-worker said that when the sun came up
at the University of Washington, classes would be canceled. My wife used
to work at Swedish Hospital in Seattle. She said there was underground
tunnels so that people could move around between buildings while
avoiding the elements. Now that's damn cool.

On 02/08/2014 4:28 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article . com>,
> says...
>>
>> On 8/2/2014 9:37 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps if you lived
>>>> in an area with little sun, you'd feel the same. No sun does make
>>>> you droopy. And mostly we have no sun.
>>>
>>> What crap. Seattle's at Latitude 46 N, further south than Russia,
>>> Scandinavia and the entire UK .
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>
>> They do get an inordinate amount of rain up there. I spent two weeks in
>> a town outside Seattle and saw the sun for about a total of 9 minutes.
>> I could never live there. Very depressing.
>
> Seattle gets less than half the annual rainfall we do :-)
>
> Janet UK
>
>
Which is why it is never difficult to distinguish a Scot with a
grievance and a ray of sunshine! P.G.Wodehouse
Graham

On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 16:51:30 -0500, Ema Nymton >
wrote:

>On 8/2/2014 10:58 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 09:38:44 -0500, Ema Nymton >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/2/2014 9:00 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 21:28:34 -0500, barbie gee >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie's "here" is like nowhere in the world I've ever encountered, and I
>>>>> live right smack dab in the middle of a huge city.
>>>>
>>>> Life on the West Coast is quite different from the rest of the
>>>> country. I live in Silicon Valley North and we think of Seattle as a
>>>> laid back clone. I don't see people walking around with energy drink
>>>> cans in their hands here, but I see as many (sometimes more) coolers
>>>> filled with them as I see of soda or water - so somebody is buying
>>>> them.
>>>
>>> These companies have displays in several areas of the supermarket. When
>>> I saw how expensive they were, I could see why they were eager to sell
>>> them. We had Hispanic employees who bought Red Bull or Monster every
>>> morning, along with their marshmallows for breakfast. Then I would see
>>> people at work drinking them, young people can not get enough of this stuff.
>>>
>>
>> Thread drift... Yesterday, I saw those gigantic marshmallows someone
>> mentioned recently. They are nowhere near softball or even hardball
>> size, I'd say they're slightly larger than a ping pong ball (call it
>> a double marshmallow). I can see how they would fit a graham cracker
>> "square" perfectly when making s'mores.
>
>The big marshmallows in our supermarkets are not this brand, but they
>are close. These would make for a thick s'more, but I would be willing
>to try it.
>
>http://www.ljcfyi.com/2010/07/giant-marshmallows.html

I would use these:
http://tinyurl.com/mcar3kc

On 2014-08-02 15:18, Julie Bove wrote:

>> You're hellbent on making her just like you; that's your shame and
>> her tragedy.
>
> At least she's not like you!


Is that the best that we can get from someone who claims to be a writer.
Oh, right. You weren't a writer. On second thought, you did say you had
been published. What day of the week is it?

On 2014-08-02 15:16, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> So which was it? You had precious little homework, or so much you
>> had to stay up till midnight to finish it?
>
> You left something out that I said.
>
Oh no. You were the one who left something out... the truth.

Mark Thorson wrote:
>Dave Smith wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> >> You're hellbent on making her just like you; that's your shame and
>> >> her tragedy.
>> >
>> > At least she's not like you!
>>
>> Is that the best that we can get from someone who claims to be a writer.
>> Oh, right. You weren't a writer. On second thought, you did say you had
>> been published. What day of the week is it?
>
>I thought you had JB killfiled.

Justerini & Brooks?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justerini_%26_Brooks

On 2014-08-02 9:31 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2014-08-02 15:18, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>>> You're hellbent on making her just like you; that's your shame and
>>>> her tragedy.
>>>
>>> At least she's not like you!
>>
>> Is that the best that we can get from someone who claims to be a writer.
>> Oh, right. You weren't a writer. On second thought, you did say you had
>> been published. What day of the week is it?
>
> I thought you had JB killfiled.
>


I did, but so many people were feeding her need for attention and
quoting her posts there was no avoiding her. I took her out.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2014-08-02 15:18, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >> You're hellbent on making her just like you; that's your shame and
> >> her tragedy.
> >
> > At least she's not like you!
>
> Is that the best that we can get from someone who claims to be a writer.
> Oh, right. You weren't a writer. On second thought, you did say you had
> been published. What day of the week is it?

I thought you had JB killfiled.

On 8/2/2014 7:27 PM, barbie gee wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2014, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> "barbie gee" > wrote in message
>> hcrg.pbz...
>>>
>>> Required by your family and your family situation, I take it. Lots
>>> of kids worked after school, but a parent that would force a growning
>>> kid to work and not get enough sleep was kinda negligent, IMO. I
>>> worked summers, all summers, but during the school year, it was only
>>> part-time or at school, but my mom and dad both worked, to make ends
>>> meet. And we were pretty much poor, if not just squeaking by.
>>
>> I didn't ask for your opinion. My dad had to do it and he insisted
>> that we do it too. He had to go to work at age 8 and couldn't
>> understand why we couldn't do that.
>>>
>>> Whatever. That you're passing the legacy on to your kid, of not
>>> enough sleep and pumping up with the caffeine is on you, totally.
>>> Don't blame "how things are nowadays". YOU are still the parent,
>>> remember?
>>
>> And you're an ass. Things aren't just that way nowadays. They were
>> that way when I was growing up and even before my time. I do
>> subscribe to the Good Old Days.
>
> I'm an ass? PUHLEEZE. You think I'm living in a cave or in some
> backwoods, with no access to a wide variety of people of all walks of
> life? Comparing Bothell, WA to Chicago, IL or even Seattle, WA, proper
> and thinking that Bothell is representative of a majority of the
> populace is laughable. Sure, it's *your* frame of reference, but it's
> not representative of how *most* people across the (US) country live.
>
> You volunteer info like "i was *required* to work", and then forbid any
> commentary on that? hah. When you make the rules, I'll follow them,
> but til then, whatever you post is fair game.
>
> None of my friends kids, whether city or suburban, are drinking energy
> drinks or staying up til midnight with homework. Not a one. A close
> friends kid is in a suburban school, taking virtually all Advanced
> Placement classes, and is active in drama, too, and she's not up til
> midnight or taking energy drinks, and neither is her younger sister, who
> does sports and music, in addition to a full freshman course load.
> That's just a sample of two, but I think it's a very generic sampling.
> They are very regular girls, living a very average life, in a middle
> class community.
>
> The whole "you don't know how it is today" argument is ridiculous. How
> do you know I don't work at a middle-school or high-school? Or whether
> I work with kids about the age of your daughter? You don't know enough
> about my frame of reference to call it BS.
>

I'd snip, but all of the above is relevant. Things are, 'anything,'
'everything, AND "ANY" thing, and "EVERY" thing ever posted by bove here
in RFC (and probably other newsgroups, too) is subject to profound
speculation and most certainly cannot be taken in good faith or even at
"its" word! The bove cannot keep its stories straight and is just
downright full of pure BS (folks, keep those boots/wellies handy, it's
deep, the BS, that is)!

Perhaps, 'bove' honestly believes everything it's ever posted is the
'honest' truth (cough, cough). Can anyone be so idiotic and gullible as
the 'bove' seems to be? But then, it's well known how many of the
'faithful' (mind, I did not type "religious"!) folks are so misguided
and ill-informed, if not downright "ignorant" <----- significant term
there.

Heck, I admit to being gullible sometimes, but that happens only once in
awhile - and I do "learn" by experience (knock on wood), but it seems
the 'bove' is incapable of doing the just that. It's the "shame on you
once, then shame on me twice" sort of thing, but that seems to be beyond
its ken.

Who the heck feeds a very young toddler, a very young child, or even a
pre-teen any "energy" drinks, even if a so-called (quack!!!!!) doctor
said to???? EGADS !! The bove seems to have no measure of common sense
whatsoever and lacks the impetus to even try to learn and explore many
different avenues for 'bona fide' information! I can only think "oh,
the poor kid, er child" since it has to suffer wives' tales and more!!

Sky, who only writes an opinion !!!!

On Saturday, August 2, 2014 2:12:15 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > I bet most of them would benefit from additional vitamin D in pill
>
> > form. Caffeine is a bad habit and you can get horrible headaches when
>
> > going through withdrawal.
>
> >
>
> I don't think it's a bad habit and I know about the headaches.

Caffeine is not a bad habit, and who goes through withdrawal, or better
put why go through withdrawal? You start getting a lack of caffeine
headache, drink a caffeinated beverage, like I am about to right now,
though the headache I just happen to have probably has little/nothing
to do with caffeine.

I typed the above a couple of hours ago. No headache. Still no alcohol
after 22 days. Made naked fried wings for the evening meal, pan fried in
about 1/2" of sunflower oil.

Got lots of bargains at the church sale today. Johnny went with me.
Freakin' weird being there, but $10 got us boatloads of goodies.

--Bryan

On Saturday, August 2, 2014 5:44:55 PM UTC-5, Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
> On Thursday, July 31, 2014 2:57:56 AM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:10:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> >
>
> > > wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> > > Daughter has been drinking the energy drinks but
>
> >
>
> > >she's only allowed to have a couple of ounces at a time. Her friend drank a
>
> >
>
> > >whole one and it landed her in the hospital. My friend's son did the same
>
> >
>
> > >at about the same age and he too wound up in the hospital.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Why then, would you buy that crap?
>
>
>
> Hey, ED - HB from you-know-where. Just dropped in here on another mission and saw your comment. Allow me to echo it big-time. I wouldn't allow a young person, especially a young female, to drink sodas. These girls are supposed to be drinking milk and eating yoghurt and cheese to build strong bones for childbearing -- according to Nature's plan.

You ****ing stupid woman, while I totally agree that milk, and especially
cultured milk products are great, humans are NOT evolved to need dairy.
Your "Nature's plan" comment is ignorant bullshit. You should consider
getting your ass to a library to browse the 573s.


> Instead, they consume horrendous quantities of sugar water drinks. The incidence of EARLY osteopenia and even outright osteoporosis in these girls already in their early 20's is on a frightening increase. Where are the parents!!!!
>
Not all energy drinks are caloric, and suggesting that girls should drink
milk rather than a zero calorie energy drink on a hot summer day is asinine..
Adequate calcium and energy drinks are barely related.
>
> HB

--Bryan

On 8/2/2014 6:28 PM, Janet wrote:

>>>
>>> What crap. Seattle's at Latitude 46 N, further south than Russia,
>>> Scandinavia and the entire UK .
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>
>> They do get an inordinate amount of rain up there. I spent two weeks in
>> a town outside Seattle and saw the sun for about a total of 9 minutes.
>> I could never live there. Very depressing.
>
> Seattle gets less than half the annual rainfall we do :-)
>
> Janet UK
>
>

Nope, you get more but nowhere near double
Seattle got 36" last year
http://average-rainfall.findthebest....tle-Washington

London 42" (1091 mm)
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/...es/2013/annual

As an information point, neither is as much as New York with 60" or so
around the state.
http://average-rainfall.findthebest.com/d/d/New-York

Total rainfall though, does not tell the whole story. Seattle has light
rain over many dismal days. NY gets more rain, but it comes down harder
on less days so there are more sunny days.

On 8/2/2014 9:51 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:

>
> Caffeine is not a bad habit, and who goes through withdrawal, or better
> put why go through withdrawal? You start getting a lack of caffeine
> headache, drink a caffeinated beverage, like I am about to right now,
> though the headache I just happen to have probably has little/nothing
> to do with caffeine.
>
> I typed the above a couple of hours ago. No headache. Still no alcohol
> after 22 days. Made naked fried wings for the evening meal, pan fried in
> about 1/2" of sunflower oil.

Moderation.

Not everyone reacts the same way and some will have no reaction, others
bad reaction.

Many people that stop alcohol drink a lot of caffeinated beverages.

"Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, August 2, 2014 2:12:15 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>> > I bet most of them would benefit from additional vitamin D in pill
>>
>> > form. Caffeine is a bad habit and you can get horrible headaches when
>>
>> > going through withdrawal.
>>
>> >
>>
>> I don't think it's a bad habit and I know about the headaches.
>
> Caffeine is not a bad habit, and who goes through withdrawal, or better
> put why go through withdrawal? You start getting a lack of caffeine
> headache, drink a caffeinated beverage, like I am about to right now,
> though the headache I just happen to have probably has little/nothing
> to do with caffeine.
>
> I typed the above a couple of hours ago. No headache. Still no alcohol
> after 22 days. Made naked fried wings for the evening meal, pan fried in
> about 1/2" of sunflower oil.
>
> Got lots of bargains at the church sale today. Johnny went with me.
> Freakin' weird being there, but $10 got us boatloads of goodies.
>
> --Bryan

I think perhaps the only people who go through withdrawals are those who
drink tons of coffee. My friend's husband once started making decaf on the
weekends. She started getting headaches only on weekends. That was why.
I've had to lay off of caffeine for various medical tests and I didn't have
problems.

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2014-08-02 15:18, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> >> You're hellbent on making her just like you; that's your shame and
>> >> her tragedy.
>> >
>> > At least she's not like you!
>>
>> Is that the best that we can get from someone who claims to be a writer.
>> Oh, right. You weren't a writer. On second thought, you did say you had
>> been published. What day of the week is it?
>
> I thought you had JB killfiled.

Nope. He's in mine though.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/2/2014 12:35 PM, Janet wrote:
>
>>
>> Latitude most definitely does affect the amount and intensity of day
>> light (and sunshine).
>>
>> http://www.nc-climate.ncsu.edu/edu/k12/.Tilt
>>
>
> Sure does, but so does weather. Seattle is under a cloud cover many days
> of the year and get less actual light than clear places north of it.



Today is the start of Seafair. That's a big boat type celebration for those
who are not here. There's a parade, U boat races and a show from the Blue
Angels (airplanes). We were predicted to have hotter than usual weather and
no chance of participation. So when the hail and thunder began, people
assumed it was the Blue Angels as they can be very loud when they fly
overhead.

I had just stepped out of the shower and at first thought the shower had
developed a leak. I had shut it off and heard moisture dropping. Nope. It
was hail on the skylight.

Several times throughout the day, the sky opened up briefly and let down
huge raindrops. Just a few. The weirdest part was driving through a
parking lot to get to the Starbucks drive through. Both ends of the parking
lot were dry to slightly damp but the middle and all the cars parked in it
was drenched. It was a flat parking lot as well.

So today, it was hot and mostly cloudy.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/2/2014 3:44 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/2/2014 12:35 PM, Janet wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Latitude most definitely does affect the amount and intensity of day
>>> light (and sunshine).
>>>
>>> http://www.nc-climate.ncsu.edu/edu/k12/.Tilt
>>>
>>
>> Sure does, but so does weather. Seattle is under a cloud cover many
>> days of the year and get less actual light than clear places north of it.
>>
> Mountains have a way of affecting/effecting climate around them.
>
> nancy

So does water.

"Ema Nymton" > wrote in message
...

>> No doubt. Exposure to sunshine also depends on the weather, and steady
>> overcast and rain can be depressing. The part of the world gets a lot
>> of rain. I know people who live out there and the start feeling gloomy
>> because of the lack of sunshine.
>
> Overcast skies and the lack of sun would probably get to me, after a
> while. I am not a fan of gloomy weather. This website says that Seattle,
> as far as the cities that have the most rain, is 41st. That does not help
> when the skies are cloudy all day, and of course it does rain in Seattle.
>
> http://www.climate.com/assets/Landin...es-Summary.pdf
>
> Cities that get the most rain:
>
> http://www.currentresults.com/Weathe...est-cities.php
>
> Becca

The thing that got me was how much wetter the rain seems on the East Coast!
My first experience with this was in PA. Not on the coast, I know but it's
East. Husband and I (we were not married yet) were going to the zoo in
Philadelphia. FIL warned us not to go because it was raining. I just
chuckled and said I was from Seattle. Knowing how the rain comes and goes
here, I figured by the time we reached the zoo, it would have stopped.
Nope. If anything, it got worse.

We stopped at some store in the Asian part of town and bought what turned
out to be tiny, children's umbrellas of very poor quality. They immediately
turned inside out.

At the zoo we bought plastic ponchos that didn't really help much.

We got drenched and it was a cold rain.

Then we got lost trying to get back to my in-laws house. I saw a Woolworths
(five and dime)and we stopped there. They didn't have much for men's
clothes. I found a pair of sweat pants, and some crappy shoes that I
couldn't walk in but at least they were dry. I remember squirming into the
pants in the car and shivering because my top was so wet.

From there we went to some bar where we were the wrong ethnicity. They sent
us down the street but before we could finish our drinks they told us we'd
better move our car or it would be locked in the parking garage all weekend.
Somewhere in there I bought a bag of freshly roasted cashews which I was
glad to get as we hadn't eaten much at all that day. We'd gotten cheese
fries at the zoo but we had to eat them outside in the rain and they got all
soggy.

By midnight we were still lost but found some little Italian place out in
the middle of nowhere and they served us a nice dinner. Then told us how to
get to where we were going. No GPS in those days.

The rain in MA and NY was the same. Very heavy and prolonged. Here, we
sometimes get rain like that but it's usually over or much lightened within
10-15 minutes. I can remember ducking under cover someplace and waiting it
out. You'd be waiting for hours when it rained in NY like that. But most
of the time what we get here is a drizzle that is annoying when you're
driving. Too little for the windshield wipers but too much to not have them
on.

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article . com>,
> says...
>>
>> On 8/2/2014 9:37 AM, Janet wrote:
>> > In article >, says...
>> >>
>> >
>> > Perhaps if you lived
>> >> in an area with little sun, you'd feel the same. No sun does make
>> >> you droopy. And mostly we have no sun.
>> >
>> > What crap. Seattle's at Latitude 46 N, further south than Russia,
>> > Scandinavia and the entire UK .
>> >
>> > Janet UK
>> >
>>
>> They do get an inordinate amount of rain up there. I spent two weeks in
>> a town outside Seattle and saw the sun for about a total of 9 minutes.
>> I could never live there. Very depressing.
>
> Seattle gets less than half the annual rainfall we do :-)
>
> Janet UK

But I'll bet it rains more frequently or at least we have more cloudy days.
We are going through a dry spell now.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/2/2014 6:28 PM, Janet wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> What crap. Seattle's at Latitude 46 N, further south than Russia,
>>>> Scandinavia and the entire UK .
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>>
>>>
>>> They do get an inordinate amount of rain up there. I spent two weeks in
>>> a town outside Seattle and saw the sun for about a total of 9 minutes.
>>> I could never live there. Very depressing.
>>
>> Seattle gets less than half the annual rainfall we do :-)
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>>
>
> Nope, you get more but nowhere near double
> Seattle got 36" last year
> http://average-rainfall.findthebest....tle-Washington
>
> London 42" (1091 mm)
> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/...es/2013/annual
>
> As an information point, neither is as much as New York with 60" or so
> around the state.
> http://average-rainfall.findthebest.com/d/d/New-York
>
> Total rainfall though, does not tell the whole story. Seattle has light
> rain over many dismal days. NY gets more rain, but it comes down harder
> on less days so there are more sunny days.

Yep. BTDT.

"Hypatia Nachshon" > wrote in message
...
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 2:57:56 AM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:10:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> > wrote:

>
> > Daughter has been drinking the energy drinks but
>
> >she's only allowed to have a couple of ounces at a time. Her friend
> >drank a
>
> >whole one and it landed her in the hospital. My friend's son did the
> >same
>
> >at about the same age and he too wound up in the hospital.
>
>
>
> Why then, would you buy that crap?

Hey, ED - HB from you-know-where. Just dropped in here on another mission
and saw your comment. Allow me to echo it big-time. I wouldn't allow a
young person, especially a young female, to drink sodas. These girls are
supposed to be drinking milk and eating yoghurt and cheese to build strong
bones for childbearing -- according to Nature's plan. Instead, they consume
horrendous quantities of sugar water drinks. The incidence of EARLY
osteopenia and even outright osteoporosis in these girls already in their
early 20's is on a frightening increase. Where are the parents!!!!

HB

---

Highly disagree on the milk and especially for someone with blood sugar
issues. Do you have proof of this early osteopenia or osteoporosis? I
haven't seen any.

"Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
...
On Saturday, August 2, 2014 5:44:55 PM UTC-5, Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
> On Thursday, July 31, 2014 2:57:56 AM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:10:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> >
>
> > > wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> > > Daughter has been drinking the energy drinks but
>
> >
>
> > >she's only allowed to have a couple of ounces at a time. Her friend
> > >drank a
>
> >
>
> > >whole one and it landed her in the hospital. My friend's son did the
> > >same
>
> >
>
> > >at about the same age and he too wound up in the hospital.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Why then, would you buy that crap?
>
>
>
> Hey, ED - HB from you-know-where. Just dropped in here on another mission
> and saw your comment. Allow me to echo it big-time. I wouldn't allow a
> young person, especially a young female, to drink sodas. These girls are
> supposed to be drinking milk and eating yoghurt and cheese to build strong
> bones for childbearing -- according to Nature's plan.

You ****ing stupid woman, while I totally agree that milk, and especially
cultured milk products are great, humans are NOT evolved to need dairy.
Your "Nature's plan" comment is ignorant bullshit. You should consider
getting your ass to a library to browse the 573s.


> Instead, they consume horrendous quantities of sugar water drinks. The
> incidence of EARLY osteopenia and even outright osteoporosis in these
> girls already in their early 20's is on a frightening increase. Where are
> the parents!!!!
>
Not all energy drinks are caloric, and suggesting that girls should drink
milk rather than a zero calorie energy drink on a hot summer day is asinine.
Adequate calcium and energy drinks are barely related.

Yep. We do eat plenty of greens and they contain calcium. No worries on
lack of vitamins and minerals. We are regularly tested. Calcium has never
been low. There have been some things. For instance, lignans for her. She
can not have the most obvious sources like flax. So we take pills for what
is lacking.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/2/2014 6:56 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> On 8/2/2014 9:37 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps if you lived
>>>> in an area with little sun, you'd feel the same. No sun does make
>>>> you droopy. And mostly we have no sun.
>>>
>>> What crap. Seattle's at Latitude 46 N, further south than Russia,
>>> Scandinavia and the entire UK .
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>
>> They do get an inordinate amount of rain up there. I spent two weeks in
>> a town outside Seattle and saw the sun for about a total of 9 minutes. I
>> could never live there. Very depressing.
>>
>
> Scandinavian folks are into being depressed. That's why so many of them
> choose that area to move to. My co-worker said that when the sun came up
> at the University of Washington, classes would be canceled. My wife used
> to work at Swedish Hospital in Seattle. She said there was underground
> tunnels so that people could move around between buildings while avoiding
> the elements. Now that's damn cool.

Oh yes. We have those here. Bill Gates has them to get to his house!
There are some outdoorsy people here but I'm not one of them. I do know
plenty of people here who complain of the sun. One gets migraines when the
sun is out.

"barbie gee" > wrote in message
hcrg.pbz...
>
>
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2014, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> "barbie gee" > wrote in message
>> hcrg.pbz...
>>>
>>> Required by your family and your family situation, I take it. Lots of
>>> kids worked after school, but a parent that would force a growning kid
>>> to work and not get enough sleep was kinda negligent, IMO. I worked
>>> summers, all summers, but during the school year, it was only part-time
>>> or at school, but my mom and dad both worked, to make ends meet. And we
>>> were pretty much poor, if not just squeaking by.
>>
>> I didn't ask for your opinion. My dad had to do it and he insisted that
>> we do it too. He had to go to work at age 8 and couldn't understand why
>> we couldn't do that.
>>>
>>> Whatever. That you're passing the legacy on to your kid, of not enough
>>> sleep and pumping up with the caffeine is on you, totally. Don't blame
>>> "how things are nowadays". YOU are still the parent, remember?
>>
>> And you're an ass. Things aren't just that way nowadays. They were that
>> way when I was growing up and even before my time. I do subscribe to the
>> Good Old Days.
>
> I'm an ass? PUHLEEZE. You think I'm living in a cave or in some
> backwoods, with no access to a wide variety of people of all walks of
> life? Comparing Bothell, WA to Chicago, IL or even Seattle, WA, proper and
> thinking that Bothell is representative of a majority of the populace is
> laughable. Sure, it's *your* frame of reference, but it's not
> representative of how *most* people across the (US) country live.

Bah! I never said that it was. In fact I often say that we are different
here. I have two good friends in Chicago, one of whom was in the military
and has lived many places. I know that Chicago is far different from here
in many ways. Seattle is different too but we are far more similar to
Seattle than Chicago.
>
> You volunteer info like "i was *required* to work", and then forbid any
> commentary on that? hah. When you make the rules, I'll follow them, but
> til then, whatever you post is fair game.

My dad told me that I had to work. We didn't question him. We just did
what he said. I don't think I need to expound on that any further.
>
> None of my friends kids, whether city or suburban, are drinking energy
> drinks or staying up til midnight with homework. Not a one. A close
> friends kid is in a suburban school, taking virtually all Advanced
> Placement classes, and is active in drama, too, and she's not up til
> midnight or taking energy drinks, and neither is her younger sister, who
> does sports and music, in addition to a full freshman course load. That's
> just a sample of two, but I think it's a very generic sampling. They are
> very regular girls, living a very average life, in a middle class
> community.

Well that's you and them. And your school district and theirs.
>
> The whole "you don't know how it is today" argument is ridiculous. How do
> you know I don't work at a middle-school or high-school? Or whether I
> work with kids about the age of your daughter? You don't know enough
> about my frame of reference to call it BS.

You don't know how it is *here*. You can go on and on about your area.
Doesn't mean that *this* area is the same. If indeed you are from Chicago,
we are very much different here than there.

On 2014-08-03 1:04 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2014-08-02 15:18, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> >> You're hellbent on making her just like you; that's your shame and
>>> >> her tragedy.
>>> >
>>> > At least she's not like you!
>>>
>>> Is that the best that we can get from someone who claims to be a writer.
>>> Oh, right. You weren't a writer. On second thought, you did say you had
>>> been published. What day of the week is it?
>>
>> I thought you had JB killfiled.
>
> Nope. He's in mine though.

Yep, but the other day you somehow managed to reply directly to me, so I
can't really be in you filter. Let's face it Julie, you live for the
attention.

"John" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 06:37:30 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>On 2014-08-03 1:04 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2014-08-02 15:18, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> You're hellbent on making her just like you; that's your shame
>>>>> >> and
>>>>> >> her tragedy.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > At least she's not like you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that the best that we can get from someone who claims to be a
>>>>> writer.
>>>>> Oh, right. You weren't a writer. On second thought, you did say you
>>>>> had
>>>>> been published. What day of the week is it?
>>>>
>>>> I thought you had JB killfiled.
>>>
>>> Nope. He's in mine though.
>>
>>Yep, but the other day you somehow managed to reply directly to me, so I
>>can't really be in you filter. Let's face it Julie, you live for the
>>attention.
>
> So, basically, you're a really nice guy for giving it to her.

I have no clue where I replied directly to him. I don't think I did. But
it might possibly have been on one of the days that I couldn't get ES to
work and used GG.

On 2014-08-03 7:09 AM, John wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 06:37:30 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-08-03 1:04 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2014-08-02 15:18, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're hellbent on making her just like you; that's your shame and
>>>>>>> her tragedy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least she's not like you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that the best that we can get from someone who claims to be a writer.
>>>>> Oh, right. You weren't a writer. On second thought, you did say you had
>>>>> been published. What day of the week is it?
>>>>
>>>> I thought you had JB killfiled.
>>>
>>> Nope. He's in mine though.
>>
>> Yep, but the other day you somehow managed to reply directly to me, so I
>> can't really be in you filter. Let's face it Julie, you live for the
>> attention.
>
> So, basically, you're a really nice guy for giving it to her.
>


Nice is my middle name.

On 2014-08-03 7:31 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "John" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 06:37:30 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2014-08-03 1:04 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2014-08-02 15:18, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> You're hellbent on making her just like you; that's your
>>>>>> shame >> and
>>>>>> >> her tragedy.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > At least she's not like you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that the best that we can get from someone who claims to be a
>>>>>> writer.
>>>>>> Oh, right. You weren't a writer. On second thought, you did say
>>>>>> you had
>>>>>> been published. What day of the week is it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought you had JB killfiled.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. He's in mine though.
>>>
>>> Yep, but the other day you somehow managed to reply directly to me, so I
>>> can't really be in you filter. Let's face it Julie, you live for the
>>> attention.
>>
>> So, basically, you're a really nice guy for giving it to her.
>
> I have no clue where I replied directly to him. I don't think I did.
> But it might possibly have been on one of the days that I couldn't get
> ES to work and used GG.

Or it could have been one of those days that you were scouring the group
to see how many posts were about you and you forgot that you had be in
your filter.

On 8/2/2014 9:50 PM, John wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 06:29:46 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 16:21:09 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 8/1/2014 4:18 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> My dad even did the same before me. He often worked two jobs and went
>>>>> to school. Just because you didn't do something doesn't make others who
>>>>> did it abnormal.
>>>>
>>>> Ingesting chemicals to make it through the day is abnormal. Unhealthy,
>>>> dangerous.
>>>>
>>>> The occasional cup of coffee is one thing, but to "need" energy drinks to
>>>> survive is crazy.
>>>
>>> This is just getting comical. Obviously you people are not surrounded by
>>> people holding Starbucks cups or energy drinks. I am. Perhaps if you lived
>>> in an area with little sun, you'd feel the same. We are still in the midst
>>> of unseasonably high temps. Almost 90 today and no sun. No sun does make
>>> you droopy. And mostly we have no sun.
>>
>> I bet most of them would benefit from additional vitamin D in pill
>> form.
>
>> Caffeine is a bad habit and you can get horrible headaches when
>> going through withdrawal.
>
> The story about caffeine changes all the time: good, bad, good, bad.
> Just have 1 or 2 cups a day if you like it.
>


The story about giving it to children hasn't changed. The only children
I knew who needed caffeine were those with diagnosed ADHD and the the
caffeine would bring them down when they were super-hyper. In that case
it was used as a physician-prescribed medication.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 8/3/2014 12:03 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Saturday, August 2, 2014 2:12:15 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > I bet most of them would benefit from additional vitamin D in pill
>>>
>>> > form. Caffeine is a bad habit and you can get horrible headaches when
>>>
>>> > going through withdrawal.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> I don't think it's a bad habit and I know about the headaches.
>>
>> Caffeine is not a bad habit, and who goes through withdrawal, or better
>> put why go through withdrawal? You start getting a lack of caffeine
>> headache, drink a caffeinated beverage, like I am about to right now,
>> though the headache I just happen to have probably has little/nothing
>> to do with caffeine.
>>
>> I typed the above a couple of hours ago. No headache. Still no alcohol
>> after 22 days. Made naked fried wings for the evening meal, pan fried in
>> about 1/2" of sunflower oil.
>>
>> Got lots of bargains at the church sale today. Johnny went with me.
>> Freakin' weird being there, but $10 got us boatloads of goodies.
>>
>> --Bryan
>
> I think perhaps the only people who go through withdrawals are those who
> drink tons of coffee. My friend's husband once started making decaf on
> the weekends. She started getting headaches only on weekends. That was
> why. I've had to lay off of caffeine for various medical tests and I
> didn't have problems.


I will get the headache. I'm only drinking one half cup of caffeinated
coffee per day now as it's not good for platelets.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 8/2/2014 11:30 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/2/2014 6:28 PM, Janet wrote:

>> Seattle gets less than half the annual rainfall we do :-)

> Nope, you get more but nowhere near double
> Seattle got 36" last year
> http://average-rainfall.findthebest....tle-Washington
>
> London 42" (1091 mm)
> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/...es/2013/annual
>
But Janet isn't in London. The northern part of Arran gets 75 inches -
more than double the 36" in Seattle.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I do subscribe to the Good Old Days.

Wow! You are familiar with that? It's a cool magazine but I've never
heard of it until a few days ago.

My cousin wrote an article about our grandfather and they published
it. He sent me a copy just a few days ago.

If you still have the May/June (2014) issue, turn to page 70. This was
written by my cousin and it's a short story about my grandfather (on
my mother's side).

Article is "Sim's Lessons" by Will Ross.

He was my favorite grandfather. We all called him "Pappy."
Here's a pic of him holding a very young me wearing his hat.
I wish I had that hat now.
http://i46.tinypic.com/xm1zxd.jpg

G. :-D

On 8/3/2014 9:28 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 8/2/2014 11:30 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/2/2014 6:28 PM, Janet wrote:
>
>>> Seattle gets less than half the annual rainfall we do :-)
>
>> Nope, you get more but nowhere near double
>> Seattle got 36" last year
>> http://average-rainfall.findthebest....tle-Washington
>>
>> London 42" (1091 mm)
>> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/...es/2013/annual
>>
> But Janet isn't in London. The northern part of Arran gets 75 inches -
> more than double the 36" in Seattle.
>

She signs "UK" and like the US, climate varies with region. More
important than rainfall is the type of rain and daily cloud cover so her
statement still does not apply.

On 8/3/2014 8:28 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 8/2/2014 11:30 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/2/2014 6:28 PM, Janet wrote:
>
>>> Seattle gets less than half the annual rainfall we do :-)
>
>> Nope, you get more but nowhere near double
>> Seattle got 36" last year
>> http://average-rainfall.findthebest....tle-Washington
>>
>> London 42" (1091 mm)
>> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/...es/2013/annual
>>
> But Janet isn't in London. The northern part of Arran gets 75 inches -
> more than double the 36" in Seattle.
>


In Seattle, I don't think it's so much the rain as the gloom.

I watched a movie called "Angela's Ashes" yesterday. It took place in
Limerick, Ireland and it rained and rained and rained through the whole
movie.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:28:28 -0400, S Viemeister
> wrote:

> On 8/2/2014 11:30 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 8/2/2014 6:28 PM, Janet wrote:
>
> >> Seattle gets less than half the annual rainfall we do :-)
>
> > Nope, you get more but nowhere near double
> > Seattle got 36" last year
> > http://average-rainfall.findthebest....tle-Washington
> >
> > London 42" (1091 mm)
> > http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/...es/2013/annual
> >
> But Janet isn't in London. The northern part of Arran gets 75 inches -
> more than double the 36" in Seattle.

This isn't a ****ing contest about rainfall. The concept is easy
enough to understand: as many days as Seattle gets that are overcast
(which is what Julie was talking about) means there is year 'round
Seasonal Affective Disorder. Most cases are mild and they use coffee
to combat it when they should be taking mega doses of Vit D.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...and-depression

We're in a drought now (caused by La Niña), so my fog belt isn't as
socked in as it usually is and it's quite pleasant to be outside even
on a foggy day; but it will get foggier, colder, windier and wetter
(headed North from here) +there will be lots of mud slides and
flooding when we have another El Niño weather condition. Hopefully it
will manifest for winter 2014 because we had precious little snowfall
in the mountains last winter and my City's water supply depends on
mountain water run off.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...hange-la-nina/

What El Niño means for Europe
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudso...ct-our-climate

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 8/2/2014 6:28 PM, Janet wrote:
>
> >>>
> >>> What crap. Seattle's at Latitude 46 N, further south than Russia,
> >>> Scandinavia and the entire UK .
> >>>
> >>> Janet UK
> >>>
> >>
> >> They do get an inordinate amount of rain up there. I spent two weeks in
> >> a town outside Seattle and saw the sun for about a total of 9 minutes.
> >> I could never live there. Very depressing.
> >
> > Seattle gets less than half the annual rainfall we do :-)
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> >
>
> Nope, you get more but nowhere near double
> Seattle got 36" last year
> http://average-rainfall.findthebest....tle-Washington
>
> London 42" (1091 mm)
> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/...es/2013/annual

only I'm not in London which is one of the drier areas of England. I'm
on an island off the wet West coast of Scotland . Our rainfall last
year (here, West Scotland) was over 100 inches last year.


> As an information point, neither is as much as New York with 60"

See above

> Total rainfall though, does not tell the whole story. Seattle has light
> rain over many dismal days.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Scotland

"Rainfall totals vary widely across Scotland? the western highlands of
Scotland is one of the wettest places in Europe with annual rainfall up
to 4,577 mm (180.2 in"..."Scotland lies in the path of eastward-moving
Atlantic depressions and these bring wind and clouds regularly
throughout the year."


Janet UK

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:53:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 8/3/2014 9:28 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> > On 8/2/2014 11:30 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 8/2/2014 6:28 PM, Janet wrote:
> >
> >>> Seattle gets less than half the annual rainfall we do :-)
> >
> >> Nope, you get more but nowhere near double
> >> Seattle got 36" last year
> >> http://average-rainfall.findthebest....tle-Washington
> >>
> >> London 42" (1091 mm)
> >> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/...es/2013/annual
> >>
> > But Janet isn't in London. The northern part of Arran gets 75 inches -
> > more than double the 36" in Seattle.
> >
>
> She signs "UK" and like the US, climate varies with region. More
> important than rainfall is the type of rain and daily cloud cover so her
> statement still does not apply.

It was just a typical kitchen sink type response. Of course, Sheila
(who travels regularly to the USA) surely understands that. If Janet
wanted to discuss the specific weather conditions on the part of Arran
where her home is located in relationship to Seattle, she would have
named it. So, using London as an example was a perfectly acceptable
response.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Sat, 2 Aug 2014 22:31:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I do know
> plenty of people here who complain of the sun. One gets migraines when the
> sun is out.

That's probably caused by glare & eye strain, so the person should
invest in better sunglasses.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.