On 2014-07-19 4:41 PM, Ema Nymton wrote:

>> What kind of car do you have where you can turn on the headlights
>> without the tailllights?
>
> When you start the car, the headlights come on, whether you like it or
> not, and they stay on the entire time the car is running. The tail
> lights do not work until you turn them on. It is a Ford Taurus.

Are they full power headlights or are they daytime running lights?
All cars manufactured in or imported into Canada have to have DRL.
There is a headlight but no tail light on the system. Motorcycle head
and tail lights are constant on.

On 7/19/2014 4:41 PM, Ema Nymton wrote:

>> What kind of car do you have where you can turn on the headlights
>> without the tailllights?
>
> When you start the car, the headlights come on, whether you like it or
> not, and they stay on the entire time the car is running. The tail
> lights do not work until you turn them on. It is a Ford Taurus.
>
> Becca

Close but not completely accurate. What you see are called Daytime
Running Lights. Often the car maker will use the headlight or high beam
at lesser power. Not a true headlight and you don't get the taillights
that you'd want in bad weather.

The purpose of the DRL is increased visibility all the time. In bright
sunlight it is possible to lose sight in shadows

On 7/19/14, 4:46 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>....Green is actually
> the colour that is most easily seen, not just in colour perception but
> light intensity. The wavelengths in the green range need lower levels
> of brightness to stimulate the rods in the retina....

Odd then that I've never seen green tennis balls tried, even as an
experiment. Optic yellow remains the choice.

-- Larry

On 7/19/14, 5:50 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> .... What you see are called Daytime
> Running Lights. Often the car maker will use the headlight or high beam
> at lesser power. Not a true headlight and you don't get the taillights
> that you'd want in bad weather.
>
> The purpose of the DRL is increased visibility all the time. In bright
> sunlight it is possible to lose sight in shadows

But your dealer can turn DRLs off -- as can you, with an OBD device.

-- Larry

On 2014-07-19 6:07 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
> On 7/19/14, 4:46 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> ....Green is actually
>> the colour that is most easily seen, not just in colour perception but
>> light intensity. The wavelengths in the green range need lower levels
>> of brightness to stimulate the rods in the retina....
>
> Odd then that I've never seen green tennis balls tried, even as an
> experiment. Optic yellow remains the choice.

We're talking cars not tennis balls.

On 7/15/2014 2:29 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> I have only gone to a casino once, many years ago. They had just opened
> the casinos in Tunica, MS. They were on barges because the laws then
> didn't allow casinos to be (technically) on land. A friend said, "I want
> to go to Tunica, come on! It will be fun!" I was reluctant, but we
> went. And we did have fun.

We have the Maryland Live Casino now, not far from me. I haven't been
yet, but I will check it out sometime soon.

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

On 7/18/2014 11:36 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/18/2014 12:49 PM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2014-07-18, Nancy Young > wrote:
>>
>> All to often bikers jes do not register on the brain of a driver
>> looking for a larger vehicle. It's up to the rider to protect
>> himself.
>>
>> nb
>>
> There are also laws about turning on your car headlights when it's
> raining. How come the people who *don't* have their headlights on are
> nearly always driving grey or silver cars? They blend right into the
> rain and the street. Especially where there are no street lights. It
> doesn't matter if it's broad daylight. Hello! We can't SEE you! Turn
> your friggin' headlights on, idiot!
>
> Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest. :-D
>
> Jill

There was some resistance to daytime driving with lights on in
Washington state. This was back in 1987. As I recall, it was required on
one stretch of the road. I don't know why people complained. I'll take
anything that increases my chances of not being hit by a car coming at
me on a two lane road.

The new cars with the fancy Euro-style wide angle LEDs are tres cool. My
VW has DRL and a simplified light switch. The switch turns on the
headlights and the parking lights with a single throw. I have never had
a car with such a single purpose switch. I think the Germans must think
Americans are too retarded to operate a switch that does two separate
things. I can easily install an aftermarket Euro switch that offers 6
positions of light configuration, including rear fog lamps. Come to
think of it, I probably am too retarded to operate a Eurospec switch.

On 7/19/2014 2:49 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 7/19/2014 7:32 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 7/19/2014 2:11 AM, Nellie wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> In California if you need your wipers, you must also have your lights
>>> on.
>>>
>
>> That's the law in SC, too. I still see fools driving (mostly) grey or
>> silver cars in a downpour sans lights.
>
> My observation is that most people do turn on their lights with
> the windshield wipers with the result being those who don't are
> even more invisible. And those are often black or gray so they
> blend in with the road even more.
>

"Wipers on; lights on" is the law in many states and I find that most
people in Maryland do obey that. There are a few people who don't;
perhaps stubbornly resistant, perhaps forgetful but I've never seen the
police taking any notice of that.

Of course, there are other laws that people seem never to have heard of
like walking facing the traffic on a road without sidewalks. Joggers,
who find tarred roads easier on their feet than concrete sidewalks,
usually face the traffic but they are often hard to see when it is raining.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On 7/19/2014 10:37 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> On 7/19/2014 2:49 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> My observation is that most people do turn on their lights with
>> the windshield wipers with the result being those who don't are
>> even more invisible. And those are often black or gray so they
>> blend in with the road even more.

> Of course, there are other laws that people seem never to have heard of
> like walking facing the traffic on a road without sidewalks.

Oh, that's me all the way. I like to see who's coming.
I watch out for all motorists, who'd backing out of their
driveway and might not notice me walking on either side of
the road.

nancy

On 7/19/2014 10:37 PM, James Silverton wrote:

> Of course, there are other laws that people seem never to have heard of
> like walking facing the traffic on a road without sidewalks. Joggers,
> who find tarred roads easier on their feet than concrete sidewalks,
> usually face the traffic but they are often hard to see when it is raining.
>

Never heard of it as a law, but walking against traffic is the smart
thing to do. It could save your life so you can dodge the vehicle
coming at you.

On Saturday, July 19, 2014 9:46:10 PM UTC+1, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-07-19 2:49 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>
>
> >> That's the law in SC, too. I still see fools driving (mostly) grey or
>
> >> silver cars in a downpour sans lights.
>
> >
>
> > My observation is that most people do turn on their lights with
>
> > the windshield wipers with the result being those who don't are
>
> > even more invisible. And those are often black or gray so they
>
> > blend in with the road even more.
>
> >
>
> I know that it is bad form to actually do a little research before developing or stating an opinion, but I made the mistake of doing it. There is not much to back up claims about colour being a significant factor in collisions. If there were something about silver, grey or black cars being less visible they should figure much more prominently in the crash figures because of their dominance on the road. Silver is the single most common car colour these day at just over 20%. White is right behind them with close to 18.5%, then black and medium and dark grey at about 11.5% each. The four colours that some people seem to think are most dangerous account for over 60% of the cars on the road so they should account for some percentage of crashes far above that if there is something to the belief about colour and risk of collision.
>
> FWIW... Red is not the most visible colour. It is actually quite low on the list and it can disappear in situations. Red is hard to see against green. Anyone into bird watching can attest to how difficult it can be to spot a red cardinal against the leaves of a tree. Green is actually the colour that is most easily seen, not just in colour perception but light intensity.. The wavelengths in the green range need lower levels of brightness to stimulate the rods in the retina. Given refractory rates for stimulation of the optic receptors, green can easily drown out red and other colours.


This is borne out by British car insurers statistics which show that green cars have the least accidents/crashes.

Cherry

On 7/19/2014 11:21 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/19/2014 10:37 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>
>> Of course, there are other laws that people seem never to have heard of
>> like walking facing the traffic on a road without sidewalks. Joggers,
>> who find tarred roads easier on their feet than concrete sidewalks,
>> usually face the traffic but they are often hard to see when it is
>> raining.
>>
>
> Never heard of it as a law, but walking against traffic is the smart
> thing to do. It could save your life so you can dodge the vehicle
> coming at you.

I just checked and it *is* the law in Maryland. I don't know what is the
case in other states.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

On 7/20/2014 7:36 AM, James Silverton wrote:
> On 7/19/2014 11:21 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> Never heard of it as a law, but walking against traffic is the smart
>> thing to do. It could save your life so you can dodge the vehicle
>> coming at you.
>
> I just checked and it *is* the law in Maryland. I don't know what is the
> case in other states.

I'm sure it's the law here, too. I'm certainly not above a little
civil disobedience. A lot of my neighbors walk the streets in our
development and a lot of them walk against traffic, too. When I
say traffic, there's no through traffic, just neighbors and whoever
comes to their house, which is plenty enough.

nancy

James Silverton wrote:
>
> I just checked and it *is* the law in Maryland. I don't know what is the
> case in other states.

Headlights on with wipers is law in Virginia too. I did that anyway
before the law. It's nice to be seen very well by other cars. As you
drive through the rain, you'll see most cars with headlights on.
Notice the few cars that don't turn them on...they are so harder to
see.

I'll do anything I can to avoid an accident. It can ruin your day or
even your life. I even slow a bit at any intersection where I have
the right of way. I don't want to be a "dead right" statistic.

45 years driving here and no accidents.....knock on wood.

G.

On 2014-07-19 11:21 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/19/2014 10:37 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>
>> Of course, there are other laws that people seem never to have heard of
>> like walking facing the traffic on a road without sidewalks. Joggers,
>> who find tarred roads easier on their feet than concrete sidewalks,
>> usually face the traffic but they are often hard to see when it is
>> raining.
>>
>
> Never heard of it as a law, but walking against traffic is the smart
> thing to do. It could save your life so you can dodge the vehicle
> coming at you.


It is law in Ontario: Where sidewalks are not provided on a highway, a
pedestrian walking along the highway shall walk on the left side thereof
facing oncoming traffic and, when walking along the roadway, shall walk
as close to the left edge thereof as possible.

I once had a nasty road rage incident with a car while out walking my
dogs on our unlit country road at night. I was wearing a white jacket
and walked on the left facing traffic, and that night the only traffic
was the one jack was who came flying along at high speed in the middle
of the road. Then as he got close he veered over toward me. I had to
move out of his way. I always used to carry a stick with me, not
walking stick, more of a switch to control the dogs. Don't worry. It was
not for beating them, just to touch them on the shoulder to remind them
to slow down and walk beside me.

This time the stick was used as a weapon. I whacked the car with it.
The driver didn't like that, slammed in his brakes turn around and came
back and started yelling at me. There wasn't much he could do. I had to
very large dogs, a big Lab and a 165 lb Bouvier des Flandre. He screamed
that I was walking on the wrong side of the road. I pointed out that
pedestrians are supposed to walk on the left facing traffic, and that he
had intentionally swerved at me and better not ever do it again. The
idiot then took off down the road,turned around and came flying back
down. I knew he was going to do something stupid so I grabbed a handful
of gravel of the neighbour's driveway. Sure enough, the idiot swerved
way over and took another run at me. I let loose with the handful of
gravel.

On 2014-07-20 8:07 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> I just checked and it *is* the law in Maryland. I don't know what is the
>> case in other states.
>
> I'm sure it's the law here, too. I'm certainly not above a little
> civil disobedience. A lot of my neighbors walk the streets in our
> development and a lot of them walk against traffic, too. When I
> say traffic, there's no through traffic, just neighbors and whoever
> comes to their house, which is plenty enough.
>

If there are no sidewalks that is exactly what you are supposed to do.

I wonder why so many jokers insist on running along the road when there
are sidewalks down both sides of the street.

On 7/19/14, 6:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-07-19 6:07 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
>> On 7/19/14, 4:46 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> ....Green is actually
>>> the colour that is most easily seen, not just in colour perception but
>>> light intensity. The wavelengths in the green range need lower levels
>>> of brightness to stimulate the rods in the retina....
>>
>> Odd then that I've never seen green tennis balls tried, even as an
>> experiment. Optic yellow remains the choice.
>
> We're talking cars not tennis balls.

We're now talking human visual perception, not particular objects.

Please try to keep up, Dave.

-- Larry

On 7/20/2014 6:36 AM, James Silverton wrote:
> On 7/19/2014 11:21 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 7/19/2014 10:37 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>>
>>> Of course, there are other laws that people seem never to have heard of
>>> like walking facing the traffic on a road without sidewalks. Joggers,
>>> who find tarred roads easier on their feet than concrete sidewalks,
>>> usually face the traffic but they are often hard to see when it is
>>> raining.
>>>
>>
>> Never heard of it as a law, but walking against traffic is the smart
>> thing to do. It could save your life so you can dodge the vehicle
>> coming at you.
>
> I just checked and it *is* the law in Maryland. I don't know what is the
> case in other states.


Any year, now, Texas will pass this law, but for now, people just have
to be smart enough to turn their lights on when it rains. Only about
half of Texans are native, so we are lucky that we can learn from others.

Becca

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Nellie" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > In California if you need your wipers, you must also have your lights on.
> >
> > Nellie
>
> Good thing that's not the case here!

Why do you think that's a good thing? I think it's a good and smart
idea to turn on headlights when the weather gets bad.

G

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I once had a nasty road rage incident with a car while out walking my
> dogs on our unlit country road at night
>
> This time the stick was used as a weapon. I whacked the car with it.
> The driver didn't like that, slammed in his brakes turn around and came
> back and started yelling at me. There wasn't much he could do. I had to
> very large dogs, a big Lab and a 165 lb Bouvier des Flandre.

He could have shot you and your dogs or just run over you all. NEVER
start an issue with a stranger. You have no idea of who you're dealing
with.

G.

On 7/20/2014 10:22 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> I once had a nasty road rage incident with a car while out walking my
>> dogs on our unlit country road at night
>>
>> This time the stick was used as a weapon. I whacked the car with it.
>> The driver didn't like that, slammed in his brakes turn around and came
>> back and started yelling at me. There wasn't much he could do. I had to
>> very large dogs, a big Lab and a 165 lb Bouvier des Flandre.
>
> He could have shot you and your dogs or just run over you all. NEVER
> start an issue with a stranger. You have no idea of who you're dealing
> with.
>
> G.
>
That's especially true these days. The guy was obviously an asshole.
It could have been a lot worse if he was an *armed* asshole.

Jill

On 2014-07-20 9:15 AM, pltrgyst wrote:
> On 7/19/14, 6:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-07-19 6:07 PM, pltrgyst wrote:
>>> On 7/19/14, 4:46 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> ....Green is actually
>>>> the colour that is most easily seen, not just in colour perception but
>>>> light intensity. The wavelengths in the green range need lower levels
>>>> of brightness to stimulate the rods in the retina....
>>>
>>> Odd then that I've never seen green tennis balls tried, even as an
>>> experiment. Optic yellow remains the choice.
>>
>> We're talking cars not tennis balls.
>
> We're now talking human visual perception, not particular objects.
>
> Please try to keep up, Dave.
>
>


Sure... like how the optic yellow tennis ball borders on the green band
of a colour chart.

On 2014-07-20 10:22 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> I once had a nasty road rage incident with a car while out walking my
>> dogs on our unlit country road at night
>>
>> This time the stick was used as a weapon. I whacked the car with it.
>> The driver didn't like that, slammed in his brakes turn around and came
>> back and started yelling at me. There wasn't much he could do. I had to
>> very large dogs, a big Lab and a 165 lb Bouvier des Flandre.
>
> He could have shot you and your dogs or just run over you all. NEVER
> start an issue with a stranger. You have no idea of who you're dealing
> with.
>

If I lived in the US it would have been something to consider. I had my
two very large dogs. One was a lab, but male. The other was Bouvier des
Flandres. They are big dogs with a powerful bite and are naturally very
protective.

On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 22:37:02 -0400, James Silverton
> wrote:

>On 7/19/2014 2:49 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 7/19/2014 7:32 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 7/19/2014 2:11 AM, Nellie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In California if you need your wipers, you must also have your lights
>>>> on.
>>>>
>>
>>> That's the law in SC, too. I still see fools driving (mostly) grey or
>>> silver cars in a downpour sans lights.
>>
>> My observation is that most people do turn on their lights with
>> the windshield wipers with the result being those who don't are
>> even more invisible. And those are often black or gray so they
>> blend in with the road even more.
>>
>
>"Wipers on; lights on" is the law in many states and I find that most
>people in Maryland do obey that. There are a few people who don't;
>perhaps stubbornly resistant, perhaps forgetful but I've never seen the
>police taking any notice of that.
>
>Of course, there are other laws that people seem never to have heard of
>like walking facing the traffic on a road without sidewalks. Joggers,
>who find tarred roads easier on their feet than concrete sidewalks,
>usually face the traffic but they are often hard to see when it is raining.

In most states it's illegal to drive with things hanging from rear
view mirrors, including handicap plaques, but most ignore... a
cycleist can easily be hidden from view by an air freshener, fuzzy
dice, or a handicap plaque.

On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 22:58:05 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 7/19/2014 10:37 PM, James Silverton wrote:
>> On 7/19/2014 2:49 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> My observation is that most people do turn on their lights with
>>> the windshield wipers with the result being those who don't are
>>> even more invisible. And those are often black or gray so they
>>> blend in with the road even more.
>
>> Of course, there are other laws that people seem never to have heard of
>> like walking facing the traffic on a road without sidewalks.
>
>Oh, that's me all the way. I like to see who's coming.
>I watch out for all motorists, who'd backing out of their
>driveway and might not notice me walking on either side of
>the road.

There are many people where I live who go walking and jogging these
narrow winding country roads dressed all in dark clothing, some even
all green, can't see them for the trees... some idiots are out on
these roads at night and there are no street lights... at least deer
have white tails and their eyes glow.

Cherry wrote:
>
>This is borne out by British car insurers statistics which show that green cars have the least accidents/crashes.

Nonsense... fact is there are very few green cars, it's about the
least popular car color... naturally with so few there'd be few
involved in accidents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_colour_popularity

On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 09:52:15 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Nellie" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >
>> > In California if you need your wipers, you must also have your lights on.
>> >
>> > Nellie
>>
>> Good thing that's not the case here!
>
>Why do you think that's a good thing? I think it's a good and smart
>idea to turn on headlights when the weather gets bad.

Imagine if the wires are crossed, turn on your lights and the wipers
come on. Years ago, before headlights came on automatically when the
car is started, people used to turn on the running lights in inclement
weather.

On 2014-07-20 1:12 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Cherry wrote:
>>
>> This is borne out by British car insurers statistics which show that green cars have the least accidents/crashes.
>
> Nonsense... fact is there are very few green cars, it's about the
> least popular car color... naturally with so few there'd be few
> involved in accidents.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_colour_popularity
>


Car insurance company statistics will show anything they want them to if
there is a way they can get away with charging higher premiums. A prime
example is our graduated driver license system. Back in the early 90s
the Insurance Bureau of Canada launched an ad campaign to lobby for it
and claimed that they they had it in Australia and New Zealand and that
it had resulted in a huge drop in vehicle accidents and fatalities.

The province of Ontario bought into it and made it law. The premier of
the province then appealed to the insurance industry to give new drivers
a break, to stop charging young drivers such high premiums. THE ISC's
reply was that there was no evidence that graduated licenses reduced
accidents in new drivers.

On 7/20/2014 12:58 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 22:58:05 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> Oh, that's me all the way. I like to see who's coming.
>> I watch out for all motorists, who's backing out of their
>> driveway and might not notice me walking on either side of
>> the road.
>
> There are many people where I live who go walking and jogging these
> narrow winding country roads dressed all in dark clothing,

I've seen that. It's a little unnerving as a driver.

> some even
> all green, can't see them for the trees... some idiots are out on
> these roads at night and there are no street lights... at least deer
> have white tails and their eyes glow.

I used to walk at night, about an hour through the darkened
streets. I have a clip on light that flashes, I'd put it
somewhere on my back, coat or shorts/whatever. So funny,
cars would go so far around me it was comical. I don't think
they could make out what I was, even though I sure wasn't
dressed in black.

nancy

On Sunday, July 20, 2014 6:12:44 AM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-07-20 8:07 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> I just checked and it *is* the law in Maryland. I don't know what is the
>
> >> case in other states.
>
> >
>
> > I'm sure it's the law here, too. I'm certainly not above a little
>
> > civil disobedience. A lot of my neighbors walk the streets in our
>
> > development and a lot of them walk against traffic, too. When I
>
> > say traffic, there's no through traffic, just neighbors and whoever
>
> > comes to their house, which is plenty enough.
>
> >
>
>
>
> If there are no sidewalks that is exactly what you are supposed to do.
>
>
>
> I wonder why so many jokers insist on running along the road when there
>
> are sidewalks down both sides of the street.



Because the asphalt is easier on your joints than concrete sidewalks. I won't do it unless there is absolutely no traffic.

Nellie