On 5/21/2014 11:53 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:07:06 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/21/2014 10:49 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> Then you have some people who reject a place because they don't
>>> like the paint color. Aren't you going to want your own fresh
>>> coat anyway?
>>>
> It seems like a convenient excuse to claim for disliking a place in
> general.
>>
>> Yeah, I don't understand the thing about paint. True, some people have
>> some pretty wacky shades on their walls. But as far as "fixing things",
>> paint is relatively cheap. I don't know why some people can't see past it.
>>
> Isn't that mainly on TV shows? But it's true that you should
> declutter, depersonalize and repaint in neutral colors so that
> potential buyers can easily imagine themselves living in your house.

TV, sure, but it happens in real life I'm sure. Years ago I was
thinking of buying a house in Bartlett, TN. The living room had a
bright purple accent wall and an adjacent canary yellow wall. I wasn't
looking at the paint, I was looking at the layout. Unfortunately, there
were other problems. What appeared to be a lovely "water feature" added
to the back yard was actually there to hide the fact the yard was prone
to flooding. And although fenced for privacy, the property backed up to
a high school football field. On game nights the stadium lights would
shine right into the back of the house. I could have changed the paint.
I couldn't fix those other issues.

Jill

On Wed, 21 May 2014 14:25:56 -0500, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

>On 5/20/2014 10:16 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 May 2014 22:59:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>>> Something like this is okay for roasting on hot days:
>>>> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111262447613
>>>
>>> Yes, I have heard those are good but I have a small kitchen and insufficient
>>> storage space for one. Whoever designed my kitchen wasn't a cook!
>>
>> Yes, plenty of kitchens like that around, unfortunately.
>>
>> When I was looking for a property 6 years ago, I saw this one on the
>> Internet and it looked good to me. But when I walked into the kitchen
>> here IRL... that sealed the deal. A good kitchen was essential to me.
>> I would hate to go back to an average, tiny kitchen again.
>>
>A good cook can probably function in any size kitchen.

True, 'a poor tradesman blames his tools'.

>I have always been amazed at the excellent culinary fare that came out
>of the tiny apartment kitchens my mother and aunts had in their NYC
>metro area apartments.
>
>I lived in an RV (caravan to you) for 9 years. I had a propane
>(butane) 3 burner range and small oven. I cooked wonderful meals and
>even baked breads in those miniature kitchens.
>
>If the ingredients are good and the cook knows what to do with them, a
>hot plate and a microwave can be an adequate kitchen.

I often make do with just my wood heater if I really don't need my
stove, or if the stove will make the house too warm.

>That's not to say that all of us have our own idea of a dream kitchen. :-)

Yep!

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/21/2014 9:02 AM, Janet wrote:
>>
>> Complete opposite here. We bought this place without ever seeing the
>> kitchen. When we viewed, its owner had locked herself in the kitchen and
>> was slamming around refusing to open the door; she and her husband had
>> obviously just had a major row. The husband (also in a vile temper; the
>> entire viewing was a whistle stop tour in 5 mins flat) just said "You
>> can't go in there". He didn't give a toss about us; the sale closure was
>> the following week and he already had five serious auction bidders lined
>> up.
>>
> Such drama! I don't know what is the norm in the UK. In the US, unless
> you're selling & showing the house yourself (FSBO) the realtor will ask
> you to clear out when they have a showing scheduled.

But that didn't happen with one place we looked at. An elderly German
couple owned it and they followed us around so closely I barely wanted to
say anything. I did mention that the stove would have to be replaced and
she took offense. Seems she had just bought it. It was a flat top and I
hate those.

We looked at that house twice and they were there both times. Worse still,
the woman loaded Angela up with all this stuff that she didn't want but we
took it to be polite. Some kind of cookies and used coloring books and
crayons. Then when I commented to her that Angela collected nutcrackers
too, she took offense at that as well, yelling at me that she wasn't going
to give me any of those.

The man latched onto my husband and kept showing him his collection of
things made from sparkplugs (I think they were airplanes) and just wouldn't
leave him alone.

Then after putting us through all this, we discovered once we had made a big
on the house, they had already sold it! They lied to our realtor and said
that nobody had looked at the house yet.

That was the only time anything like that happened. A couple of times the
people were home but they left when we got there.

<snip>

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...

> TV, sure, but it happens in real life I'm sure. Years ago I was thinking
> of buying a house in Bartlett, TN. The living room had a bright purple
> accent wall and an adjacent canary yellow wall. I wasn't looking at the
> paint, I was looking at the layout. Unfortunately, there were other
> problems. What appeared to be a lovely "water feature" added to the back
> yard was actually there to hide the fact the yard was prone to flooding.
> And although fenced for privacy, the property backed up to a high school
> football field. On game nights the stadium lights would shine right into
> the back of the house. I could have changed the paint. I couldn't fix
> those other issues.
>
I would reject some paint colors as they would be difficult to paint over.
Like red. I actually do love the color red. It would depend on where it
was in the house. I had been tempted to paint a portion of our kitchen red
but opted not to. And then there is wallpaper. I hope to never have to
strip it again!

Where my mom just moved to, things were fine for the first couple of days.
But then she was awakened at 2:00 a.m. every morning by military jets. And
then all of a sudden, commercial jets came by. As in very near her window!
Seems the little airport that is somewhat near by changed what they do there
and also the flight patterns.

On Wed, 21 May 2014 19:12:37 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 5/21/2014 11:53 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:07:06 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/21/2014 10:49 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> >>
> >>> Then you have some people who reject a place because they don't
> >>> like the paint color. Aren't you going to want your own fresh
> >>> coat anyway?
> >>>
> > It seems like a convenient excuse to claim for disliking a place in
> > general.
> >>
> >> Yeah, I don't understand the thing about paint. True, some people have
> >> some pretty wacky shades on their walls. But as far as "fixing things",
> >> paint is relatively cheap. I don't know why some people can't see past it.
> >>
> > Isn't that mainly on TV shows? But it's true that you should
> > declutter, depersonalize and repaint in neutral colors so that
> > potential buyers can easily imagine themselves living in your house.
>
> TV, sure, but it happens in real life I'm sure. Years ago I was
> thinking of buying a house in Bartlett, TN. The living room had a
> bright purple accent wall and an adjacent canary yellow wall. I wasn't
> looking at the paint, I was looking at the layout. Unfortunately, there
> were other problems. What appeared to be a lovely "water feature" added
> to the back yard was actually there to hide the fact the yard was prone
> to flooding. And although fenced for privacy, the property backed up to
> a high school football field. On game nights the stadium lights would
> shine right into the back of the house. I could have changed the paint.
> I couldn't fix those other issues.
>

Did you just pull a "Julie" on me? We were talking about paint color
(something that can be changed for not very much money), not other
problems. You can change the paint, but you can't change the
location.


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On Wed, 21 May 2014 18:53:08 -0400, Travis McGee
> wrote:

>
> >>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> >>>>> Something like this is okay for roasting on hot days:
> >>>>> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111262447613
>
> I like that this is "non-radioactive". I hate when I buy an appliance,
> and it turns out to be nuclear-powered.

You must be a solar kind of guy.


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 21 May 2014 19:12:37 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/21/2014 11:53 AM, sf wrote:
>> > On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:07:06 -0400, jmcquown >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 5/21/2014 10:49 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Then you have some people who reject a place because they don't
>> >>> like the paint color. Aren't you going to want your own fresh
>> >>> coat anyway?
>> >>>
>> > It seems like a convenient excuse to claim for disliking a place in
>> > general.
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, I don't understand the thing about paint. True, some people
>> >> have
>> >> some pretty wacky shades on their walls. But as far as "fixing
>> >> things",
>> >> paint is relatively cheap. I don't know why some people can't see
>> >> past it.
>> >>
>> > Isn't that mainly on TV shows? But it's true that you should
>> > declutter, depersonalize and repaint in neutral colors so that
>> > potential buyers can easily imagine themselves living in your house.
>>
>> TV, sure, but it happens in real life I'm sure. Years ago I was
>> thinking of buying a house in Bartlett, TN. The living room had a
>> bright purple accent wall and an adjacent canary yellow wall. I wasn't
>> looking at the paint, I was looking at the layout. Unfortunately, there
>> were other problems. What appeared to be a lovely "water feature" added
>> to the back yard was actually there to hide the fact the yard was prone
>> to flooding. And although fenced for privacy, the property backed up to
>> a high school football field. On game nights the stadium lights would
>> shine right into the back of the house. I could have changed the paint.
>> I couldn't fix those other issues.
>>
>
> Did you just pull a "Julie" on me? We were talking about paint color
> (something that can be changed for not very much money), not other
> problems. You can change the paint, but you can't change the
> location.

But some colors of paint are difficult to paint over.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

> Where my mom just moved to, things were fine for the first couple of days.
> But then she was awakened at 2:00 a.m. every morning by military jets.
> And then all of a sudden, commercial jets came by. As in very near her
> window! Seems the little airport that is somewhat near by changed what
> they do there and also the flight patterns.

LOL I can relate to that. When we were first married, we bought a house in
a small quiet village. What we didn't realise until we moved in was that
we were on the flight path to an RAF base (huge great Vulcan bombers, if you
know what they are) and they came in really low - and the railway line was
just a field away) The first time both passed together I nearly died of
shock!!! Soon enough though you get used to it and don't really hear it

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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Where my mom just moved to, things were fine for the first couple of
>> days. But then she was awakened at 2:00 a.m. every morning by military
>> jets. And then all of a sudden, commercial jets came by. As in very near
>> her window! Seems the little airport that is somewhat near by changed
>> what they do there and also the flight patterns.
>
> LOL I can relate to that. When we were first married, we bought a house
> in a small quiet village. What we didn't realise until we moved in was
> that we were on the flight path to an RAF base (huge great Vulcan bombers,
> if you know what they are) and they came in really low - and the railway
> line was just a field away) The first time both passed together I
> nearly died of shock!!! Soon enough though you get used to it and don't
> really hear it

We went camping once when I was a teen and took our little dog who was
scared of everything. We didn't realize until we had pitched the tent that
planes were going directly overhead. Can't remember now if they were
military or what but poor Misty shook badly every time one went over. I
spent that whole trip holding her in my lap and trying to comfort her.

On Wed, 21 May 2014 23:45:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> But some colors of paint are difficult to paint over.

So use the proper type of base coat. It's still just paint.


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On 5/22/2014 2:03 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 21 May 2014 19:12:37 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> TV, sure, but it happens in real life I'm sure. Years ago I was
>> thinking of buying a house in Bartlett, TN. The living room had a
>> bright purple accent wall and an adjacent canary yellow wall. I wasn't
>> looking at the paint, I was looking at the layout. Unfortunately, there
>> were other problems. What appeared to be a lovely "water feature" added
>> to the back yard was actually there to hide the fact the yard was prone
>> to flooding. And although fenced for privacy, the property backed up to
>> a high school football field. On game nights the stadium lights would
>> shine right into the back of the house. I could have changed the paint.
>> I couldn't fix those other issues.
>>
>
> Did you just pull a "Julie" on me? We were talking about paint color
> (something that can be changed for not very much money), not other
> problems. You can change the paint, but you can't change the
> location.
>
>
My point was PAINT shouldn't be the deciding factor when thinking about
buying a house.

Jill

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 21 May 2014 23:45:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> But some colors of paint are difficult to paint over.
>
> So use the proper type of base coat. It's still just paint.

You might not see painting as a big deal. I do! And I don't like to do it.

On 2014-05-22 6:09 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>can relate to that. When we were first married, we bought a house
> in a small quiet village. What we didn't realise until we moved in was
> that we were on the flight path to an RAF base (huge great Vulcan
> bombers, if you know what they are) and they came in really low - and
> the railway line was just a field away) The first time both passed
> together I nearly died of shock!!! Soon enough though you get used to
> it and don't really hear it
>


I have some friends who live on an otherwise quite country property,
except that there is a rail line next to it and there is at least one
train an hour going by. We were sitting outside one day when a train
went by. I asked her if the noise of the trains bother her. She replied
"What train?" They were used to it.

When I was a kid we lived about 300 years from what is now a very busy
highway. One summer nights when the windows were open there was an
almost constant din from the traffic but we were used to it. I used to
go up and visit my friend who lived on a small farm. They were on a two
lane highway but traffic was light. At night there would be only a few
cars per hour. It was so quiet that you would hear them coming for
miles, and then heard them going for miles.

On Thu, 22 May 2014 05:47:06 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 21 May 2014 23:45:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> But some colors of paint are difficult to paint over.
> >
> > So use the proper type of base coat. It's still just paint.
>
> You might not see painting as a big deal. I do! And I don't like to do it.

You just made the point that there really are people who will reject
an otherwise acceptable house based solely on paint color. That's why
competent realtors tell sellers to repaint in neutral colors before
they put their home on the market. People who want to sell quickly
and for top dollar, declutter and depersonalize their homes first.


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On Thu, 22 May 2014 09:05:56 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> When I was a kid we lived about 300 years from what is now a very busy
> highway. One summer nights when the windows were open there was an
> almost constant din from the traffic but we were used to it. I used to
> go up and visit my friend who lived on a small farm. They were on a two
> lane highway but traffic was light. At night there would be only a few
> cars per hour. It was so quiet that you would hear them coming for
> miles, and then heard them going for miles.

The ocean is a noisy place too. We rented a home that sat on a cliff
on the windward side of Oahu one vacation and it was so noisy that I
had to remind myself I was listening to the sound of the ocean, not
the din of cars on a freeway.


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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Where my mom just moved to, things were fine for the first couple of
>> days. But then she was awakened at 2:00 a.m. every morning by military
>> jets. And then all of a sudden, commercial jets came by. As in very near
>> her window! Seems the little airport that is somewhat near by changed
>> what they do there and also the flight patterns.
>
> LOL I can relate to that. When we were first married, we bought a house
> in a small quiet village. What we didn't realise until we moved in was
> that we were on the flight path to an RAF base (huge great Vulcan bombers,
> if you know what they are) and they came in really low - and the railway
> line was just a field away) The first time both passed together I
> nearly died of shock!!! Soon enough though you get used to it and don't
> really hear it

Same with us when we were first married, living close to the railroad
tracks. You do get used to it, but some of the long trains seemed to go on
forever. :-)

Cheri

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Where my mom just moved to, things were fine for the first couple of
>>> days. But then she was awakened at 2:00 a.m. every morning by military
>>> jets. And then all of a sudden, commercial jets came by. As in very
>>> near her window! Seems the little airport that is somewhat near by
>>> changed what they do there and also the flight patterns.
>>
>> LOL I can relate to that. When we were first married, we bought a house
>> in a small quiet village. What we didn't realise until we moved in was
>> that we were on the flight path to an RAF base (huge great Vulcan
>> bombers, if you know what they are) and they came in really low - and the
>> railway line was just a field away) The first time both passed
>> together I nearly died of shock!!! Soon enough though you get used to
>> it and don't really hear it
>
> We went camping once when I was a teen and took our little dog who was
> scared of everything. We didn't realize until we had pitched the tent
> that planes were going directly overhead. Can't remember now if they were
> military or what but poor Misty shook badly every time one went over. I
> spent that whole trip holding her in my lap and trying to comfort her.

Awww poor wee soul

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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-05-22 6:09 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>can relate to that. When we were first married, we bought a house
>> in a small quiet village. What we didn't realise until we moved in was
>> that we were on the flight path to an RAF base (huge great Vulcan
>> bombers, if you know what they are) and they came in really low - and
>> the railway line was just a field away) The first time both passed
>> together I nearly died of shock!!! Soon enough though you get used to
>> it and don't really hear it
>>
>
>
> I have some friends who live on an otherwise quite country property,
> except that there is a rail line next to it and there is at least one
> train an hour going by. We were sitting outside one day when a train went
> by. I asked her if the noise of the trains bother her. She replied "What
> train?" They were used to it.

Exactly)

>
> When I was a kid we lived about 300 years from what is now a very busy
> highway. One summer nights when the windows were open there was an almost
> constant din from the traffic but we were used to it. I used to go up and
> visit my friend who lived on a small farm. They were on a two lane highway
> but traffic was light. At night there would be only a few cars per hour.
> It was so quiet that you would hear them coming for miles, and then heard
> them going for miles.

It all depends on what you are used to. I remember a friend coming to stay
at that house and she had the same reaction I'd had on first hearing that
noise. It took me a few moments to figure out what she was talking about

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In article om>,
says...

> A good cook can probably function in any size kitchen.
>
> I have always been amazed at the excellent culinary fare that came out
> of the tiny apartment kitchens my mother and aunts had in their NYC
> metro area apartments.
>
> I lived in an RV (caravan to you) for 9 years. I had a propane
> (butane) 3 burner range and small oven. I cooked wonderful meals and
> even baked breads in those miniature kitchens.
>
> If the ingredients are good and the cook knows what to do with them, a
> hot plate and a microwave can be an adequate kitchen.
>
> That's not to say that all of us have our own idea of a dream kitchen. :-)

Here in the UK, BBC TV screened an excellent cookery program
called "My little Paris Kitchen" with cook Rachel Khoo. Her tools are
basic and her kitchen is miniscule, two gas rings and one electrical
socket :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ggjO7qSkzs

(skip the ad to see the kitchen)

watch MLPK if you get chance, great recipes.

Janet UK

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Where my mom just moved to, things were fine for the first couple of
>>> days. But then she was awakened at 2:00 a.m. every morning by military
>>> jets. And then all of a sudden, commercial jets came by. As in very
>>> near her window! Seems the little airport that is somewhat near by
>>> changed what they do there and also the flight patterns.
>>
>> LOL I can relate to that. When we were first married, we bought a house
>> in a small quiet village. What we didn't realise until we moved in was
>> that we were on the flight path to an RAF base (huge great Vulcan
>> bombers, if you know what they are) and they came in really low - and the
>> railway line was just a field away) The first time both passed
>> together I nearly died of shock!!! Soon enough though you get used to
>> it and don't really hear it
>
> Same with us when we were first married, living close to the railroad
> tracks. You do get used to it, but some of the long trains seemed to go on
> forever. :-)

Oh yes! )


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On Thu, 22 May 2014 06:19:21 -0700, sf > wrote:

> People who want to sell quickly
> and for top dollar, declutter and depersonalize their homes first.

Here's a real life example. Under 1400 square feet. Listed at $859k
and closed at $955k.


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On 5/22/2014 10:41 AM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 22 May 2014 06:19:21 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>> People who want to sell quickly
>> and for top dollar, declutter and depersonalize their homes first.
>
> Here's a real life example. Under 1400 square feet. Listed at $859k
> and closed at $955k.
>
>
It closed for $96,000 over list price because it had neutral paint?

Jill

In article >, says...

> I would reject some paint colors as they would be difficult to paint over.
> Like red.

Rubbish. Painting a red wall white is no harder (and no more
expensive) than painting a white wall red (I've done both). Use
professional-quality paint and you'll find it far LESS work than using
cheap paint to painting a pale wall a different pale colour.

Janet UK

On Thu, 22 May 2014 10:52:34 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 5/22/2014 10:41 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 May 2014 06:19:21 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >
> >> People who want to sell quickly
> >> and for top dollar, declutter and depersonalize their homes first.
> >
> > Here's a real life example. Under 1400 square feet. Listed at $859k
> > and closed at $955k.
> >
> >
> It closed for $96,000 over list price because it had neutral paint?
>

It was "move in" ready. I don't know for sure, but I bet it was an
all cash offer with no contingencies (which is common for a house in
that area, at that price point).
http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Jose/10...5/home/1116633


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On 5/22/2014 5:43 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

> We went camping once when I was a teen and took our little dog who was
> scared of everything. We didn't realize until we had pitched the tent
> that planes were going directly overhead. Can't remember now if they
> were military or what but poor Misty shook badly every time one went
> over. I spent that whole trip holding her in my lap and trying to
> comfort her.

Here in the USA, it seems to be a requirement that RV parks be located
next to rail lines. :-)
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On 5/22/2014 8:05 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

> I have some friends who live on an otherwise quite country property,
> except that there is a rail line next to it and there is at least one
> train an hour going by. We were sitting outside one day when a train
> went by. I asked her if the noise of the trains bother her. She replied
> "What train?" They were used to it.

My aunt lived in a co-op apartment in a high-rise on Coney Island
(Brooklyn, NY) The elevated train was nearby and the canyons between the
high-rise buildings enhanced any noise.

I spent a summer night there once and did not sleep a wink because of
the train noise. My aunt, uncle and cousin, who lived there didn't even
hear it. I guess you do get used to it.
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On Thu, 22 May 2014 15:19:23 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>
> Here in the UK, BBC TV screened an excellent cookery program
> called "My little Paris Kitchen" with cook Rachel Khoo. Her tools are
> basic and her kitchen is miniscule, two gas rings and one electrical
> socket :-)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ggjO7qSkzs

I love her recipes, thanks for posting!


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On 5/22/2014 11:15 AM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 22 May 2014 10:52:34 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/22/2014 10:41 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Thu, 22 May 2014 06:19:21 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>> People who want to sell quickly
>>>> and for top dollar, declutter and depersonalize their homes first.
>>>
>>> Here's a real life example. Under 1400 square feet. Listed at $859k
>>> and closed at $955k.
>>>
>>>
>> It closed for $96,000 over list price because it had neutral paint?
>>
>
> It was "move in" ready. I don't know for sure, but I bet it was an
> all cash offer with no contingencies (which is common for a house in
> that area, at that price point).
> http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Jose/10...5/home/1116633
>
>
It's very pretty. The price is outrageous.

Jill

On Thu, 22 May 2014 12:57:26 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> On 5/22/2014 11:15 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 May 2014 10:52:34 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/22/2014 10:41 AM, sf wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 22 May 2014 06:19:21 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> People who want to sell quickly
> >>>> and for top dollar, declutter and depersonalize their homes first.
> >>>
> >>> Here's a real life example. Under 1400 square feet. Listed at $859k
> >>> and closed at $955k.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> It closed for $96,000 over list price because it had neutral paint?
> >>
> >
> > It was "move in" ready. I don't know for sure, but I bet it was an
> > all cash offer with no contingencies (which is common for a house in
> > that area, at that price point).
> > http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Jose/10...5/home/1116633
> >
> >
> It's very pretty. The price is outrageous.
>

Unfortunately, that's the way it is. Around here, you buy $700,000
fixer uppers and feel lucky you got a house because you've been outbid
more times than you can count.


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In article >, says...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 21 May 2014 23:45:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> But some colors of paint are difficult to paint over.
> >
> > So use the proper type of base coat. It's still just paint.
>
> You might not see painting as a big deal. I do! And I don't like to do it.

Then when viewing houses for sale, one of the price/cost factors to
consider, is whether you can afford to pay someone else to paint it. Or
how long you'd just live with red paint until you'd saved up enough to
pay someone. Or you could bribe your lazy family members to do the
painting

See? Simples.


Janet UK

On 2014-05-22 9:19 AM, sf wrote:

> You just made the point that there really are people who will reject
> an otherwise acceptable house based solely on paint color. That's why
> competent realtors tell sellers to repaint in neutral colors before
> they put their home on the market. People who want to sell quickly
> and for top dollar, declutter and depersonalize their homes first.
>
>


My brother bought a number of houses with the idea of selling and
upgrading in a few years. He always painted with shades of beige because
he had been told that they sell better with neutral colours.

I don't know why he didn't just get several gallons of the same colour
instead of slight variations for different rooms. In one of the places
he moved into he was showing me the paint he had bought... four
different shades of beige. He got confused about which was which.

On 2014-05-22 9:19 AM, sf wrote:

> You just made the point that there really are people who will reject
> an otherwise acceptable house based solely on paint color. That's why
> competent realtors tell sellers to repaint in neutral colors before
> they put their home on the market. People who want to sell quickly
> and for top dollar, declutter and depersonalize their homes first.
>
>

When my mother died and we per her condo up for sale the real estate
agent agent suggested that we declutter. First of all, she didn't want
valuable objects sitting out in case they disappeared while she was
there with prospective buyers. She wanted us to remove small tables, get
rid of everything on the kitchen counter to make it look larger. Take
some stuff out of the cupboards so they looked roomier.

In article >,
says...
> The ocean is a noisy place too. We rented a home that sat on a cliff
> on the windward side of Oahu one vacation and it was so noisy that I
> had to remind myself I was listening to the sound of the ocean, not
> the din of cars on a freeway.

I used to live above a pebble beach which would make a terrific
rolling-stones noise in storms as waves dragged them back and forth.

The coast edge below our house here is just rock and I find the sound
of waves breaking over it more peaceful and soporific. But when some big
ship anchors in the bay in the middle of a still night, the huge roar of
that anchor chain can wake me up with a jump.

You can't please some people. A recent guest here complained about
"noisy birds in the garden" which woke her at dawn :-)

Janet UK

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-05-22 9:19 AM, sf wrote:
>
>> You just made the point that there really are people who will reject
>> an otherwise acceptable house based solely on paint color. That's why
>> competent realtors tell sellers to repaint in neutral colors before
>> they put their home on the market. People who want to sell quickly
>> and for top dollar, declutter and depersonalize their homes first.
>>
>>
>
> When my mother died and we per her condo up for sale the real estate agent
> agent suggested that we declutter. First of all, she didn't want valuable
> objects sitting out in case they disappeared while she was there with
> prospective buyers. She wanted us to remove small tables, get rid of
> everything on the kitchen counter to make it look larger. Take some stuff
> out of the cupboards so they looked roomier.

It makes sense.

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On 5/22/2014 1:26 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

> When my mother died and we per her condo up for sale the real estate
> agent agent suggested that we declutter. First of all, she didn't want
> valuable objects sitting out in case they disappeared while she was
> there with prospective buyers. She wanted us to remove small tables, get
> rid of everything on the kitchen counter to make it look larger. Take
> some stuff out of the cupboards so they looked roomier.

All seems pretty self evident to me, but from looking at houses, I'm
amazed at what people expect you to ignore. I'd be embarrassed to
invite someone in, never mind think I'm making a good impression.
Piles of laundry, dust everywhere. Makes you wonder if they took
care of the house at all.

nancy

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 22 May 2014 12:57:26 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/22/2014 11:15 AM, sf wrote:
>> > On Thu, 22 May 2014 10:52:34 -0400, jmcquown >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 5/22/2014 10:41 AM, sf wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, 22 May 2014 06:19:21 -0700, sf > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> People who want to sell quickly
>> >>>> and for top dollar, declutter and depersonalize their homes first.
>> >>>
>> >>> Here's a real life example. Under 1400 square feet. Listed at $859k
>> >>> and closed at $955k.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> It closed for $96,000 over list price because it had neutral paint?
>> >>
>> >
>> > It was "move in" ready. I don't know for sure, but I bet it was an
>> > all cash offer with no contingencies (which is common for a house in
>> > that area, at that price point).
>> > http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Jose/10...5/home/1116633
>> >
>> >
>> It's very pretty. The price is outrageous.
>>
>
> Unfortunately, that's the way it is. Around here, you buy $700,000
> fixer uppers and feel lucky you got a house because you've been outbid
> more times than you can count.

Yep, and sometimes people buy those houses and tear them down.

Cheri

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/22/2014 1:26 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> When my mother died and we per her condo up for sale the real estate
>> agent agent suggested that we declutter. First of all, she didn't want
>> valuable objects sitting out in case they disappeared while she was
>> there with prospective buyers. She wanted us to remove small tables, get
>> rid of everything on the kitchen counter to make it look larger. Take
>> some stuff out of the cupboards so they looked roomier.
>
> All seems pretty self evident to me, but from looking at houses, I'm
> amazed at what people expect you to ignore. I'd be embarrassed to
> invite someone in, never mind think I'm making a good impression.
> Piles of laundry, dust everywhere. Makes you wonder if they took
> care of the house at all.

lol I would be embarrassed if I allowed my house to get into that state, let
alone invite someone over to inspect it))

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On Thu, 22 May 2014 13:43:54 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 5/22/2014 1:26 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> When my mother died and we per her condo up for sale the real estate
>> agent agent suggested that we declutter. First of all, she didn't want
>> valuable objects sitting out in case they disappeared while she was
>> there with prospective buyers. She wanted us to remove small tables, get
>> rid of everything on the kitchen counter to make it look larger. Take
>> some stuff out of the cupboards so they looked roomier.
>
>All seems pretty self evident to me, but from looking at houses, I'm
>amazed at what people expect you to ignore. I'd be embarrassed to
>invite someone in, never mind think I'm making a good impression.
>Piles of laundry, dust everywhere. Makes you wonder if they took
>care of the house at all.

When slovenliness is their normal lifestyle they don't notice nor
would they comprehend... I've met many people who live a disorganized
lifestyle 24/7... not only don't they ever put anything away nothing
has a place it normally goes. You'd swear they live in a blender. I
wonder when there are dirty eating utensils strewn about their
bathroom vanity and their kitchen counters are a depository for
cosmetics... I mean how do used tampons end up in the kitchen trash
can, yeah, they're rolled in a paper towel but I know the difference
between teabag strings and tampon strings.

On 2014-05-22 3:19 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> When slovenliness is their normal lifestyle they don't notice nor
> would they comprehend... I've met many people who live a disorganized
> lifestyle 24/7... not only don't they ever put anything away nothing
> has a place it normally goes. You'd swear they live in a blender. I
> wonder when there are dirty eating utensils strewn about their
> bathroom vanity and their kitchen counters are a depository for
> cosmetics... I mean how do used tampons end up in the kitchen trash
> can, yeah, they're rolled in a paper towel but I know the difference
> between teabag strings and tampon strings.
>


I had a friend like that. He was a nice guy,had been a good student,
became an accountant. He is very well read and travels a lot. His house
is a sty. Many years ago when I was a recent graduate and looking for
work he was living out in Winnipeg and told me there were lots of jobs
out there. He offered to put me up for a couple weeks. My first day
there I cleaned the kitchen. He lived alone and had enough dishes for
20 people so he would not have to wash them as often, and most of them
were in the counters, on the table, in the sink.... It took me close to
an hour to get things organized enough to empty the sink so I could
start washing them.

A few years later he asked if I could bring my tractor mower over and
help hum mow his lawn. The city had ordered him to get it done. He was
kind enough to dog sit for me, but one time when we went to pick her up
the place was such a dump that I felt sorry for the dog.

On 5/22/2014 3:04 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> All seems pretty self evident to me, but from looking at houses, I'm
>> amazed at what people expect you to ignore. I'd be embarrassed to
>> invite someone in, never mind think I'm making a good impression.
>> Piles of laundry, dust everywhere. Makes you wonder if they took
>> care of the house at all.
>
> lol I would be embarrassed if I allowed my house to get into that state,
> let alone invite someone over to inspect it))

Heh ... I'm not there to judge anyone's housekeeping but I was
pretty surprised at the conditions of some places I saw. You
just know their realtor was telling them You have to put all
this stuff away, and declutter and clean.

nancy