"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:38:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 1/14/2014 3:08 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> so your tank water heater didn't stop producing hot water when the
>>> electricity went out? (one would think that you had an electric water
>>> heater)
>>>
>>> the biggest drawback is when the water provider stops providing water,
>>> you run out of water
>>>
>>
>>She stated before she has a gas water heater. No electricity required,
>>a nice feature.
>
> Gas water heaters I've had still needed electricity for the thermostat
> and igniter, same as a gas oven, without electricity the solinoid
> closes and no gas flows. Even my new tankless on-demand gas water
> heater needs 110V for the controls to operate, without electricity it
> won't ignite, same as my pilotless gas stove top burners won't ignite
> lest I use a match... but without electricity the oven can't operate.
> All the above reasons are why I had a ventless gas heater installed,
> it needs no electric and needs no chimney... it heats my house during
> a power outage in winter so my pipes won't freeze.

My pilot light doesn't go out if the electricity goes off and it can't be
lit with a match.

In article >,
Brooklyn1 > wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:38:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >On 1/14/2014 3:08 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> so your tank water heater didn't stop producing hot water when the
> >> electricity went out? (one would think that you had an electric water
> >> heater)
> >>
> >> the biggest drawback is when the water provider stops providing water,
> >> you run out of water
> >>
> >
> >She stated before she has a gas water heater. No electricity required,
> >a nice feature.
>
> Gas water heaters I've had still needed electricity for the thermostat
> and igniter, same as a gas oven, without electricity the solinoid
> closes and no gas flows. Even my new tankless on-demand gas water
> heater needs 110V for the controls to operate, without electricity it
> won't ignite, same as my pilotless gas stove top burners won't ignite
> lest I use a match... but without electricity the oven can't operate.
> All the above reasons are why I had a ventless gas heater installed,
> it needs no electric and needs no chimney... it heats my house during
> a power outage in winter so my pipes won't freeze.

newer tankless have the ignitor powered by the flow of the water
"turning" something that pushes against a piezo-electric chrystal

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:38:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> >>On 1/14/2014 3:08 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> so your tank water heater didn't stop producing hot water when the
> >>> electricity went out? (one would think that you had an electric water
> >>> heater)
> >>>
> >>> the biggest drawback is when the water provider stops providing water,
> >>> you run out of water
> >>>
> >>
> >>She stated before she has a gas water heater. No electricity required,
> >>a nice feature.
> >
> > Gas water heaters I've had still needed electricity for the thermostat
> > and igniter, same as a gas oven, without electricity the solinoid
> > closes and no gas flows. Even my new tankless on-demand gas water
> > heater needs 110V for the controls to operate, without electricity it
> > won't ignite, same as my pilotless gas stove top burners won't ignite
> > lest I use a match... but without electricity the oven can't operate.
> > All the above reasons are why I had a ventless gas heater installed,
> > it needs no electric and needs no chimney... it heats my house during
> > a power outage in winter so my pipes won't freeze.
>
> My pilot light doesn't go out if the electricity goes off and it can't be
> lit with a match.

if you have a pilot light that doesn't go out when the electricity is
off and it can't be lit with a match, how did it get installed and
turned on?

On Monday, January 13, 2014 12:42:57 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 23:08:28 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> >"Roy" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >On Sunday, January 12, 2014 10:13:01 PM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:A bunch of
>
> >stuff about a water heater.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> >
>
> >Julie, I would say you have a "downdraft" problem. Wind is coming down the
>
> >vent pipe and floods down around the pilot light and blows it out.
>
> >
>
> >I have had this problem when a strong wind.

> In your case it's a long wind.

Two guffaw points: astute, and rhyming.

On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 12:02:04 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> Julie, I have a tankless water heater, one for the whole house.

Did you do any kind of semi-accurate cost analysis? Just wondering. My water heater is over 10 y o and I like to get mentally prepared in case.

Find a plumbing shop that sells both regular and tankless, and they will provide a cost analysis based
on your usage and your area. I think your local water company would also do it. Ask.

N.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 1/13/2014 10:01 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
>
> >
> > But never have I heard that one would need multiple units of tankless, unless someone is living in a mansion
> > or castle, in which case I suppose it would be possible.
> >
> > N.
> >
>
> Like any product, one size does not fit all. In a very large or very
> long house, it can take a while for hot water to reach the faucet so a
> point of use type heater is ideal and the tankless take up little space.
>
> In my house, the points of use are not far from the tank, and indirect
> fired water system that is very efficient and provides more than we can
> use under even heavy household use.
>
> While the tankless are efficient, they do need a large amount of heating
> capability when they are in use, thus heavy wires or burners and vents.
> Much easier to do with new construction.

And I've seen a number of cases where electric tankless units will burn
themselves up after some period of time. Happened to a few friends that
had them.

But for this place I'd love to have two - one in the kitchen, one in the
bathroom. Because I find it horribly wasteful to keep a tankfull at hot
water temp.

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:38:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 1/14/2014 3:08 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> so your tank water heater didn't stop producing hot water when the
>> >>> electricity went out? (one would think that you had an electric water
>> >>> heater)
>> >>>
>> >>> the biggest drawback is when the water provider stops providing
>> >>> water,
>> >>> you run out of water
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>She stated before she has a gas water heater. No electricity required,
>> >>a nice feature.
>> >
>> > Gas water heaters I've had still needed electricity for the thermostat
>> > and igniter, same as a gas oven, without electricity the solinoid
>> > closes and no gas flows. Even my new tankless on-demand gas water
>> > heater needs 110V for the controls to operate, without electricity it
>> > won't ignite, same as my pilotless gas stove top burners won't ignite
>> > lest I use a match... but without electricity the oven can't operate.
>> > All the above reasons are why I had a ventless gas heater installed,
>> > it needs no electric and needs no chimney... it heats my house during
>> > a power outage in winter so my pipes won't freeze.
>>
>> My pilot light doesn't go out if the electricity goes off and it can't be
>> lit with a match.
>
> if you have a pilot light that doesn't go out when the electricity is
> off and it can't be lit with a match, how did it get installed and
> turned on?

I don't know that much about the installation. The plumber did it. But you
don't use a match to start it.

On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:57:54 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
> wrote:

>In article >,
> Brooklyn1 > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:38:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>> >On 1/14/2014 3:08 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> so your tank water heater didn't stop producing hot water when the
>> >> electricity went out? (one would think that you had an electric water
>> >> heater)
>> >>
>> >> the biggest drawback is when the water provider stops providing water,
>> >> you run out of water
>> >>
>> >
>> >She stated before she has a gas water heater. No electricity required,
>> >a nice feature.
>>
>> Gas water heaters I've had still needed electricity for the thermostat
>> and igniter, same as a gas oven, without electricity the solinoid
>> closes and no gas flows. Even my new tankless on-demand gas water
>> heater needs 110V for the controls to operate, without electricity it
>> won't ignite, same as my pilotless gas stove top burners won't ignite
>> lest I use a match... but without electricity the oven can't operate.
>> All the above reasons are why I had a ventless gas heater installed,
>> it needs no electric and needs no chimney... it heats my house during
>> a power outage in winter so my pipes won't freeze.
>
>newer tankless have the ignitor powered by the flow of the water
>"turning" something that pushes against a piezo-electric chrystal


I have a plain, older gas-fired water heater. When Superstorm Sandy
took out my electricity for 8 days in 2012, I had hot water the whole
time. Came in damn handy.

Boron

Nancy2 wrote:

> I researched tankless before I bought a new tank a couple years ago,

-snip-

> But never have I heard that one would need multiple units of
> tankless, unless someone is living in a mansion or castle, in which
> case I suppose it would be possible.

Our plumber said tankless isn't ready as a technology for a full time
family residence unless you're willing to spend a lot of money on
capacity (read: multiple units) and have it take up a lot of your
basement. He said they're ideal for things like a vacation cottage
where hot water could go unused for months at a time. He also said
things like having the dishwasher and/or washing machine running while
someone is taking a shower, possible with our conventional system, isn't
possible with tankless.

A hybrid approach is possible if you really want some of the benefits of
instant, tankless hot water - you keep the conventional system with its
tank but turn the temperature down, giving the tankless/instant system
less work to do and therefore a higher capacity. I don't know anyone
who's actually done this and don't know if it's possible but our plumber
said it could be done - but he recommended against it.

From an energy point of view, and also to keep my costs down by keeping
the length of my kids' showers down, I keep the hot water temperature
such that I can wash dishes in it with the faucet all the way on hot,
and for showers have it set mostly to hot. Keeping the temperature low
is about the only thing one can do energy-wise.

Julie, have you considered relocating the hot water heater?

-S-

"Steve Freides" wrote:

>Nancy2 wrote:
>
>> I researched tankless before I bought a new tank a couple years ago,
>> But never have I heard that one would need multiple units of
>> tankless, unless someone is living in a mansion or castle, in which
>> case I suppose it would be possible.

They are used in hotels, each unit can supply plenty of hot water for
ten units, all bathing at once.

>Our plumber said tankless isn't ready as a technology for a full time
>family residence unless you're willing to spend a lot of money on
>capacity (read: multiple units) and have it take up a lot of your
>basement.

Your plumber is a moron, liar, both... but actually I know you're the
LIAR/MORON... you don't have any plumber... no real plumber would ever
say such BS... you made that all up in your pointy little head, you
sick *******!

Tankless on-demand water heater technology is very advanced, much more
than tank type... they are available in several capacities...
naturally one doesn't want one with much greater capacity than needed.
For most residential use a mid range unit will be more than adequate.
The model I bought allows the use of two showers, a dishwasher, a
clothes washer, and plenty of water for the kitchen sink, ALL AT THE
SAME TIME and never running out of hot water, there's an endless
supply of hot water so long as there's water and gas. All things
being equal (using the same volume) tankless on-demand water heaters
consume less than half as much energy as tank type water heaters. And
that they occupy a lot of space is absolute BS, the unit takes no more
space than three shoeboxes or one breadbox... my unit hangs on a
basement wall, hardly know it's there... and they can even be
installed outdoors. And my unit was located so that it's halfway
between where hot water is used so now it actually requires less time
for hot water to reach the spigots than with my tank type that was
located at one end of the house. Tankless on-demand water heaters
with installation cost about twice as much as tank types with
installation but they pay for themselves in about one year. Anyone
needing a new hot water heater, or even if not, installing a tankless
on-demand water heater will cut their hot water bill in at least half,
probably more. My unit paid for itself in less than a year, it cut my
hot water cost by more than half... should have done this years ago.

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:38:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On 1/14/2014 3:08 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> so your tank water heater didn't stop producing hot water when the
> >> >>> electricity went out? (one would think that you had an electric water
> >> >>> heater)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> the biggest drawback is when the water provider stops providing
> >> >>> water,
> >> >>> you run out of water
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>She stated before she has a gas water heater. No electricity required,
> >> >>a nice feature.
> >> >
> >> > Gas water heaters I've had still needed electricity for the thermostat
> >> > and igniter, same as a gas oven, without electricity the solinoid
> >> > closes and no gas flows. Even my new tankless on-demand gas water
> >> > heater needs 110V for the controls to operate, without electricity it
> >> > won't ignite, same as my pilotless gas stove top burners won't ignite
> >> > lest I use a match... but without electricity the oven can't operate.
> >> > All the above reasons are why I had a ventless gas heater installed,
> >> > it needs no electric and needs no chimney... it heats my house during
> >> > a power outage in winter so my pipes won't freeze.
> >>
> >> My pilot light doesn't go out if the electricity goes off and it can't be
> >> lit with a match.
> >
> > if you have a pilot light that doesn't go out when the electricity is
> > off and it can't be lit with a match, how did it get installed and
> > turned on?
>
> I don't know that much about the installation. The plumber did it. But you
> don't use a match to start it.

not possible. all recent tank water heaters don't have continuously
running pilot lights. either the heater stops working (igniting) when
the electricity goes out or you don't have a continuous pilot light

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:38:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>On 1/14/2014 3:08 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> so your tank water heater didn't stop producing hot water when the
>> >> >>> electricity went out? (one would think that you had an electric
>> >> >>> water
>> >> >>> heater)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> the biggest drawback is when the water provider stops providing
>> >> >>> water,
>> >> >>> you run out of water
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>She stated before she has a gas water heater. No electricity
>> >> >>required,
>> >> >>a nice feature.
>> >> >
>> >> > Gas water heaters I've had still needed electricity for the
>> >> > thermostat
>> >> > and igniter, same as a gas oven, without electricity the solinoid
>> >> > closes and no gas flows. Even my new tankless on-demand gas water
>> >> > heater needs 110V for the controls to operate, without electricity
>> >> > it
>> >> > won't ignite, same as my pilotless gas stove top burners won't
>> >> > ignite
>> >> > lest I use a match... but without electricity the oven can't
>> >> > operate.
>> >> > All the above reasons are why I had a ventless gas heater installed,
>> >> > it needs no electric and needs no chimney... it heats my house
>> >> > during
>> >> > a power outage in winter so my pipes won't freeze.
>> >>
>> >> My pilot light doesn't go out if the electricity goes off and it can't
>> >> be
>> >> lit with a match.
>> >
>> > if you have a pilot light that doesn't go out when the electricity is
>> > off and it can't be lit with a match, how did it get installed and
>> > turned on?
>>
>> I don't know that much about the installation. The plumber did it. But
>> you
>> don't use a match to start it.
>
> not possible. all recent tank water heaters don't have continuously
> running pilot lights. either the heater stops working (igniting) when
> the electricity goes out or you don't have a continuous pilot light

I assure you that mine does not go out when the power does. And it goes out
frequently now especially since they are upgrading things.

This is the brand that I have but it seems they have changed the models
since I got mine. I don't see mine listed.

http://www.bradfordwhite.com/

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:38:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>On 1/14/2014 3:08 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> so your tank water heater didn't stop producing hot water when the
>> >> >>> electricity went out? (one would think that you had an electric
>> >> >>> water
>> >> >>> heater)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> the biggest drawback is when the water provider stops providing
>> >> >>> water,
>> >> >>> you run out of water
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>She stated before she has a gas water heater. No electricity
>> >> >>required,
>> >> >>a nice feature.
>> >> >
>> >> > Gas water heaters I've had still needed electricity for the
>> >> > thermostat
>> >> > and igniter, same as a gas oven, without electricity the solinoid
>> >> > closes and no gas flows. Even my new tankless on-demand gas water
>> >> > heater needs 110V for the controls to operate, without electricity
>> >> > it
>> >> > won't ignite, same as my pilotless gas stove top burners won't
>> >> > ignite
>> >> > lest I use a match... but without electricity the oven can't
>> >> > operate.
>> >> > All the above reasons are why I had a ventless gas heater installed,
>> >> > it needs no electric and needs no chimney... it heats my house
>> >> > during
>> >> > a power outage in winter so my pipes won't freeze.
>> >>
>> >> My pilot light doesn't go out if the electricity goes off and it can't
>> >> be
>> >> lit with a match.
>> >
>> > if you have a pilot light that doesn't go out when the electricity is
>> > off and it can't be lit with a match, how did it get installed and
>> > turned on?
>>
>> I don't know that much about the installation. The plumber did it. But
>> you
>> don't use a match to start it.
>
> not possible. all recent tank water heaters don't have continuously
> running pilot lights. either the heater stops working (igniting) when
> the electricity goes out or you don't have a continuous pilot light

Our boiler cannot be lit with a match either. When it is switched on, it
ignites automatically. Probably a piezo electric igniter that functions
automatically as a safety feature when the gas first comes on. It doesn't
need mains for that.

--
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>
>>> "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > In article >,
>>> > "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>> >> ...
>>> >> > On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:38:13 -0500, Ed Pawlowski >
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>On 1/14/2014 3:08 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> so your tank water heater didn't stop producing hot water when
>>> >> >>> the
>>> >> >>> electricity went out? (one would think that you had an electric
>>> >> >>> water
>>> >> >>> heater)
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> the biggest drawback is when the water provider stops providing
>>> >> >>> water,
>>> >> >>> you run out of water
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>She stated before she has a gas water heater. No electricity
>>> >> >>required,
>>> >> >>a nice feature.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Gas water heaters I've had still needed electricity for the
>>> >> > thermostat
>>> >> > and igniter, same as a gas oven, without electricity the solinoid
>>> >> > closes and no gas flows. Even my new tankless on-demand gas water
>>> >> > heater needs 110V for the controls to operate, without electricity
>>> >> > it
>>> >> > won't ignite, same as my pilotless gas stove top burners won't
>>> >> > ignite
>>> >> > lest I use a match... but without electricity the oven can't
>>> >> > operate.
>>> >> > All the above reasons are why I had a ventless gas heater
>>> >> > installed,
>>> >> > it needs no electric and needs no chimney... it heats my house
>>> >> > during
>>> >> > a power outage in winter so my pipes won't freeze.
>>> >>
>>> >> My pilot light doesn't go out if the electricity goes off and it
>>> >> can't be
>>> >> lit with a match.
>>> >
>>> > if you have a pilot light that doesn't go out when the electricity is
>>> > off and it can't be lit with a match, how did it get installed and
>>> > turned on?
>>>
>>> I don't know that much about the installation. The plumber did it. But
>>> you
>>> don't use a match to start it.
>>
>> not possible. all recent tank water heaters don't have continuously
>> running pilot lights. either the heater stops working (igniting) when
>> the electricity goes out or you don't have a continuous pilot light
>
> Our boiler cannot be lit with a match either. When it is switched on, it
> ignites automatically. Probably a piezo electric igniter that functions
> automatically as a safety feature when the gas first comes on. It doesn't
> need mains for that.

I don't know what mine is and I've never had to relight during a power
outage. I do know that my parent's furnace is gas with an electric starter
and when the power goes out, so does the heat.

On Monday, January 13, 2014 12:13:01 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> I am just getting frustrated! I want hot water and I
>
> don't want to keep calling the plumber.
>
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?

After reading this entire thread, I'd suggest a new plumber. The one you've been using can't seem to get this right. Standing pilot water heaters have been around for a *LONG* time, they aren't all that tricky. So either your plumber is recommending a dodgy brand, or he doesn't know how to set it up correctly.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, VA

" > wrote in message
...
On Monday, January 13, 2014 12:13:01 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> I am just getting frustrated! I want hot water and I
>
> don't want to keep calling the plumber.
>
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?

After reading this entire thread, I'd suggest a new plumber. The one you've
been using can't seem to get this right. Standing pilot water heaters have
been around for a *LONG* time, they aren't all that tricky. So either your
plumber is recommending a dodgy brand, or he doesn't know how to set it up
correctly.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, VA

---

It's a well known brand and this is my 3rd plumbing company.

On 1/21/2014 4:29 PM, wrote:
> On Monday, January 13, 2014 12:13:01 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I am just getting frustrated! I want hot water and I
>> don't want to keep calling the plumber.
>>
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> After reading this entire thread, I'd suggest a new plumber.
> The one you've been using can't seem to get this right.
> Standing pilot water heaters have been around for a *LONG* time,
> they aren't all that tricky. So either your plumber is recommending
> a dodgy brand, or he doesn't know how to set it up correctly.
>
> Bill Ranck
> Blacksburg, VA
>
Sounds about right! Early last year the kitchen faucet was dripping and
driving me crazy. I called the same plumbing company that installed the
faucet in 2007. It's one of those single-handle faucets. Pull up to
run the water, turn left for hot, right for cold.

The plumber who came out (not some young kid, by any stretch of
imagination) was able to fix the drip problem. But he couldn't figure
out how to put it back together properly. When he was done, turning it
to the left gave me cold water, right was for hot. In whose universe?!
He simply didn't know what else to do.

They called to ask how was the service? Glad you asked! I can't live
with this, it's backwards! They sent him back out (no charge) with
another plumber who showed him how to to fix it. If they hadn't, I'd
have called another plumbing company. And I'd have been out more $$.

Jill

On 1/14/2014 6:32 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> Takes a minute or two to get hot water here too. And since ours is gas,
> we have hot water when the electricity goes out. Now that I think about
> it... There is no electrical plug where the tank is. Which could be why
> tankless is not an option. Not sure...

I have hot water if the power goes out as long as I conserve it. I have
a 55 gal electric tank, much more than I need but sufficient for the
house size. The tank has insulation to keep the water hot even if the
power goes out. If I knew about tankless when I replaced mine several
years ago, I would have gone with that. I only went with the 55 gal
size because that's what the old one was and it would supply enough hot
water for a family, just in case I want to sell the house.

--
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/21/2014 4:29 PM, wrote:
>> On Monday, January 13, 2014 12:13:01 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> I am just getting frustrated! I want hot water and I
>>> don't want to keep calling the plumber.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone have any suggestions?
>>
>> After reading this entire thread, I'd suggest a new plumber.
>> The one you've been using can't seem to get this right.
>> Standing pilot water heaters have been around for a *LONG* time,
>> they aren't all that tricky. So either your plumber is recommending
>> a dodgy brand, or he doesn't know how to set it up correctly.
>>
>> Bill Ranck
>> Blacksburg, VA
>>
> Sounds about right! Early last year the kitchen faucet was dripping and
> driving me crazy. I called the same plumbing company that installed the
> faucet in 2007. It's one of those single-handle faucets. Pull up to run
> the water, turn left for hot, right for cold.
>
> The plumber who came out (not some young kid, by any stretch of
> imagination) was able to fix the drip problem. But he couldn't figure out
> how to put it back together properly. When he was done, turning it to the
> left gave me cold water, right was for hot. In whose universe?! He simply
> didn't know what else to do.
>
> They called to ask how was the service? Glad you asked! I can't live
> with this, it's backwards! They sent him back out (no charge) with
> another plumber who showed him how to to fix it. If they hadn't, I'd have
> called another plumbing company. And I'd have been out more $$.

I went to a couple of links provided by Ed Pawlowski? I think that is his
name. One had a book that sells for about $27. All about water heaters.
Told me all that I need to know plus a ton of other stuff that may come in
handy in the future. The problem in my case could be as simple as a draft
blowing the fuse out. Or it could be something else.

As far as the plumbers go... I started with Rescue Rooter. Then Roto
Rooter. Now Day and Nite as they came highly recommended to me. I have had
beefs with all of them. I had better luck with the one contractor I hired
who is a friend of a friend of my gardener, but he too caused a problem by
not flushing out a pipe properly which led me to calling Day and Nite last
year over the winter holidays. My shower would not stop dripping. So it
would seem that nobody is perfect. Not in this area anyway.

I have hired Mr. Handyman for various things and was very pleased with their
work but... They do charge a lot and I would not usually get them for just
one thing. I did call when we needed a new storm door put on because that
job took long enough to warrant it. I am now compiling a list of piddly
little things to get done and I will add the water heater to those unless I
have to address it first.

We still need that new roof and I will ask the roofers to put a new vent up
there if they can. I read somewhere that getting a new roof will generally
screw up your vent anyway...

On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 8:44:14 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> As far as the plumbers go... I started with Rescue Rooter. Then Roto
> Rooter. Now Day and Nite as they came highly recommended to me. I have had
> beefs with all of them. I had better luck with the one contractor I hired
> who is a friend of a friend of my gardener, but he too caused a problem by
> not flushing out a pipe properly which led me to calling Day and Nite last
> year over the winter holidays. My shower would not stop dripping. So it
> would seem that nobody is perfect. Not in this area anyway.
>
> I have hired Mr. Handyman for various things and was very pleased with their
> work but... They do charge a lot and I would not usually get them for just
> one thing. I did call when we needed a new storm door put on because that
> job took long enough to warrant it. I am now compiling a list of piddly
> little things to get done and I will add the water heater to those unless I
> have to address it first.
>
> We still need that new roof and I will ask the roofers to put a new vent up
> there if they can. I read somewhere that getting a new roof will generally
> screw up your vent anyway...

Seems like you haven't called a real plumber.
You should use a local company that installs and services heating, cooling systems and
water heaters, not someone who is part of a franchise. There must be a place that is
locally recommended. Ask your neighbors.

A new roof does nothing regarding vents. For goodness sake make sure you get a local roofer.

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