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I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg


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On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:12:58 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
>
> condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
>
> shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
>
> shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg
>

..

Let us know how it performs vs. the full fat stuff. What are you planning to use it in? WE WANNA REPORT.
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:38:07 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
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>On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:12:58 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
>> I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
>>
>> condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
>>
>> shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
>>
>> shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg
>>

>.
>
>Let us know how it performs vs. the full fat stuff. What are you planning to use it in? WE WANNA REPORT.


I think that I read or heard somewhere that sauces will break if not
using full fat milk. Has anyone else heard or experienced this?
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sf wrote:

> I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
> condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
> shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
> shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg


I don't mean to start a flame war, but what reason is there not to use a
full-fat milk product?

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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:38:07 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
> wrote:

> On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:12:58 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> > I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
> >
> > condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
> >
> > shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
> >
> > shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg
> >

> .
>
> Let us know how it performs vs. the full fat stuff. What are you planning to use it in? WE WANNA REPORT.


Heh. I haven't thought ahead that far yet. If I do find a lower fat
version, I might be persuaded to attempt making a Tres Leches cake...
which is something I've wanted to try - but they are so darned rich!

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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:21:27 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
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> sf wrote:
>
> > I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
> > condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
> > shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
> > shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg

>
> I don't mean to start a flame war, but what reason is there not to use a
> full-fat milk product?
>

I don't want all that fat.

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On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:54:43 AM UTC-5, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:38:07 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:12:58 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:

>
> >> I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea

>
> >>

>
> >> condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my

>
> >>

>
> >> shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery

>
> >>

>
> >> shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg

>
> >>

>
> >.

>
> >

>
> >Let us know how it performs vs. the full fat stuff. What are you planning to use it in? WE WANNA REPORT.

>
>
>
> I think that I read or heard somewhere that sauces will break if not
>
> using full fat milk. Has anyone else heard or experienced this?
>


Yes. I used a fat free sour cream in a sauce and it turned to something like splinters.
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sf wrote:
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> I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
> condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
> shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
> shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg


Is this to make a dessert? Like pumpkin pie for Thanksgiving?
Unless you use something like that often, you should stick to the full
fat version, imo. If it's only an occasional holiday dessert, I'd go
for full flavor. You might get by with the low fat but the non-fat
will definitely leave you with a loss of flavor/quality.

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On 11/14/2013 1:28 PM, Gary wrote:
> sf wrote:
>>
>> I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
>> condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
>> shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
>> shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg

>
> Is this to make a dessert? Like pumpkin pie for Thanksgiving?
> Unless you use something like that often, you should stick to the full
> fat version, imo. If it's only an occasional holiday dessert, I'd go
> for full flavor. You might get by with the low fat but the non-fat
> will definitely leave you with a loss of flavor/quality.
>


I won't argue about condensed milk but, after many years using non-fat
or skim milk on my cereal, I can drink such milk without nausea while
regular full-fat milk tastes unpleasant. However, even non-fat milk is
much improved if I drink it with something sweet.

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On 2013-11-14, James Silverton > wrote:

> I won't argue about condensed milk but, after many years using non-fat
> or skim milk on my cereal, I can drink such milk without nausea while
> regular full-fat milk tastes unpleasant. However, even non-fat milk is
> much improved if I drink it with something sweet.


I don't even drink milk, anymore. If a want a moo-juice facsimile, I
buy almond milk. Better than soy milk, which is horrible. 8P

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On 2013-11-14 12:17 PM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:21:27 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
> wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>
>>> I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
>>> condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
>>> shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
>>> shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg

>>
>> I don't mean to start a flame war, but what reason is there not to use a
>> full-fat milk product?
>>

> I don't want all that fat.
>

I had never seen anything but plain old sweetened condensed milk. given
the sweetness, I would have thought that the fat would be the least of
things to worry about.



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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:09:52 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
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> I used a fat free sour cream in a sauce and it turned to something like splinters.


I don't have that experience with fat free sour cream, but I use it to
finish a flour based gravy not as the only ingredient.

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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:28:35 -0500, Gary > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> >
> > I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
> > condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
> > shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
> > shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg

>
> Is this to make a dessert? Like pumpkin pie for Thanksgiving?
> Unless you use something like that often, you should stick to the full
> fat version, imo. If it's only an occasional holiday dessert, I'd go
> for full flavor. You might get by with the low fat but the non-fat
> will definitely leave you with a loss of flavor/quality.
>

I sincerely doubt that with a dessert. Sweetened condensed milk adds
sugar, not flavor. I can't think of anything that I would be missing
from coconut macaroons, bar cookies, key lime pie, tres leches cake or
even Thai tea if I used the low or no fat version.

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Kalmia wrote:
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> Yes. I used a fat free sour cream in a sauce and it turned to something like splinters.


Not often, but occasionally I enjoy a bowl of fat free splinters.

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Dave Smith > wrote:
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>I had never seen anything but plain old sweetened condensed milk. given
>the sweetness, I would have thought that the fat would be the least of
>things to worry about.


Really? You don't have Pet milk in Canada?

Wait, there's a Stan Rogers lyric that talks about a ranch
wife pouring "Carnation from the can", IIRC into her coffee.
I'm pretty sure that means regular evaporated milk.

Plus, lots of people say "condensed" when they mean "evaporated". It's
usually easy to tell from context what the mean.

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On 2013-11-14 4:37 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> In article >,
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>>>

>> I had never seen anything but plain old sweetened condensed milk. given
>> the sweetness, I would have thought that the fat would be the least of
>> things to worry about.

>
> Really? You don't have Pet milk in Canada?


I don't think we do. We have Carnation evaporated milk. I Googled it
and found Pet Evaportated milk.

>
> Wait, there's a Stan Rogers lyric that talks about a ranch
> wife pouring "Carnation from the can", IIRC into her coffee.
> I'm pretty sure that means regular evaporated milk.


Yep.... evaporated milk.
>
> Plus, lots of people say "condensed" when they mean "evaporated". It's
> usually easy to tell from context what the mean.
>


I can't speak for those who may be confused. Evaporated milk in my
world is condensed only in that it has had a lot of the water removed
from it to make is shelf stable, weigh less and take up less space. Some
people like it in coffee. I have no use for it myself.

Condensed milk is an entirely different product, something very rich and
creamy and used in cooking.


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On 11/14/2013 3:46 PM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:09:52 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
> > wrote:
>
>> I used a fat free sour cream in a sauce and it turned to something like splinters.

>
> I don't have that experience with fat free sour cream, but I use it to
> finish a flour based gravy not as the only ingredient.
>

Yes, the addition of a teaspoon or so of plain flour or gram flour makes
fat-free sour cream or yoghurt work quite well. You don't want to boil
the sauce but simmering is fine. I resent those Indian cooks who say
"Don't use fat-free"; they obviously have never tried flour.

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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:09:52 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
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>On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:54:43 AM UTC-5, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:38:07 -0800 (PST), Kalmia
>>

snip
>>
>> I think that I read or heard somewhere that sauces will break if not
>>
>> using full fat milk. Has anyone else heard or experienced this?
>>

>
>Yes. I used a fat free sour cream in a sauce and it turned to something like splinters.


That sounds ugly. I guess I'll skip the fat-free sour cream for a
sauce. Thanks
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On Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:53:43 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Kalmia wrote:
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> >

>
> > Yes. I used a fat free sour cream in a sauce and it turned to something like splinters.

>
>
>
> Not often, but occasionally I enjoy a bowl of fat free splinters.
>
>
>
> G.


After a glass of wine, I just couldn't remember 'metal filings.'


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On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:40:03 PM UTC-8, notbob wrote:
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>
> buy almond milk. Better than soy milk, which is horrible. 8P




I agree. I don't use much dairy anymore and for any milk needed I usually use coconut milk instead of soy. Soy milk is terrible tasting and not very good for you IMHO.
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On 11/14/2013 4:37 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> In article >,
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>>>

>> I had never seen anything but plain old sweetened condensed milk. given
>> the sweetness, I would have thought that the fat would be the least of
>> things to worry about.

>
> Really? You don't have Pet milk in Canada?
>
> Wait, there's a Stan Rogers lyric that talks about a ranch
> wife pouring "Carnation from the can", IIRC into her coffee.
> I'm pretty sure that means regular evaporated milk.
>
> Plus, lots of people say "condensed" when they mean "evaporated". It's
> usually easy to tell from context what the mean.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

sf posted a link with pictures of sweetened condensed milk, though. So
she's not talking about evaporated milk.

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>I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
> condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
> shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
> shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg


I knew but haven't bought that stuff for years. I always kept a can when
Angela was little in case we ran out of milk. But now I can get shelf
stable milk so no need.

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>I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
> condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
> shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
> shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg
>

That takes me back to my student days 50 yrs ago (gasp!). During the winter
months, we'd keep the opened can of condensed milk (bought for out 11pm
coffee sessions) on the window sill. After a day or two, a crust would
form - delicious!!!
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> On 2013-11-14 12:17 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:21:27 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
>>>> condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
>>>> shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
>>>> shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg
>>>
>>> I don't mean to start a flame war, but what reason is there not to use a
>>> full-fat milk product?
>>>

>> I don't want all that fat.
>>

> I had never seen anything but plain old sweetened condensed milk. given
> the sweetness, I would have thought that the fat would be the least of
> things to worry about.


Perhaps she meant evaporated milk which is what I assumed that she meant.
The same but no sweetener.



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> I won't argue about condensed milk but, after many years using non-fat or
> skim milk on my cereal, I can drink such milk without nausea while regular
> full-fat milk tastes unpleasant. However, even non-fat milk is much
> improved if I drink it with something sweet.


AFAIK I never had full fat milk although I have bought small amounts of it
over the years for various recipes. Growing up, we only ever had 2% or
powdered which I think was either skim or non-fat. My one grandma did have
a cow or two and did use the resulting products but I don't remember ever
having milk at her house. Did have ice cream and butter though. So when
you are used to having the lower fat stuff, the real stuff can be quite a
shock to the system.

My 5th grade class went to a camp and we were served cold cereal with real
cream. I found the cream to be so vile, I wanted to cry. Whereas the other
kids were excited about it because they never got cream at home. I wound up
eating my cereal dry which is how if I eat it now (which would be rarely), I
eat it.

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> On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:40:03 PM UTC-8, notbob wrote:
>> I don't even drink milk, anymore. If a want a moo-juice facsimile, I
>>
>> buy almond milk. Better than soy milk, which is horrible. 8P

>
>
>
> I agree. I don't use much dairy anymore and for any milk needed I usually
> use coconut milk instead of soy. Soy milk is terrible tasting and not
> very good for you IMHO.


I use rice milk occasionally for various things. But it is high in carbs so
I try not to use it often. I would use hemp milk but husband is against the
use of hemp products because they could show up in a negative way on a drug
test.

Most of the time I find that water is a good sub for milk. I make my mashed
potatoes that way. I do add a little extra Nucoa, salt and pepper for
flavor. And they are even better with caramelized onions!

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We've wandered off the OP here. I frequently use fat-free or thereabouts
condensed milk. Calories and fat are of a concern to us. Pudding - lemon,
chocolate and banana - do just as well with fat-free condensed milk. May
even try it with a butterscotch / praline. This year's pecans are grander
than ever. Polly

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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 19:35:22 -0800, "Julie Bove"
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>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 2013-11-14 12:17 PM, sf wrote:
> >> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:21:27 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> sf wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
> >>>> condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
> >>>> shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
> >>>> shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg
> >>>
> >>> I don't mean to start a flame war, but what reason is there not to use a
> >>> full-fat milk product?
> >>>
> >> I don't want all that fat.
> >>

> > I had never seen anything but plain old sweetened condensed milk. given
> > the sweetness, I would have thought that the fat would be the least of
> > things to worry about.

>
> Perhaps she meant evaporated milk which is what I assumed that she meant.
> The same but no sweetener.


Did you bother to open the image link I posted? Obviously not!

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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:46:44 -0800, "Julie Bove"
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> "sf" > wrote in message
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> >I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
> > condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
> > shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
> > shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg

>
> I knew but haven't bought that stuff for years. I always kept a can when
> Angela was little in case we ran out of milk. But now I can get shelf
> stable milk so no need.


Again, did you open the image link? They offer both low fat and
no-fat sweetened condensed milk now

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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 19:30:54 -0700, "graham" > wrote:

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> "sf" > wrote in message
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> >I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
> > condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
> > shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
> > shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg
> >

> That takes me back to my student days 50 yrs ago (gasp!). During the winter
> months, we'd keep the opened can of condensed milk (bought for out 11pm
> coffee sessions) on the window sill. After a day or two, a crust would
> form - delicious!!!


That's interesting... I haven't used that stuff to even think about
putting it outside on a windowsill, ever... but I've put cheap wine
out there when I was in college. Does that count?

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> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 19:35:22 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
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>> > On 2013-11-14 12:17 PM, sf wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:21:27 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> sf wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
>> >>>> condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
>> >>>> shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
>> >>>> shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't mean to start a flame war, but what reason is there not to
>> >>> use a
>> >>> full-fat milk product?
>> >>>
>> >> I don't want all that fat.
>> >>
>> > I had never seen anything but plain old sweetened condensed milk.
>> > given
>> > the sweetness, I would have thought that the fat would be the least of
>> > things to worry about.

>>
>> Perhaps she meant evaporated milk which is what I assumed that she meant.
>> The same but no sweetener.

>
> Did you bother to open the image link I posted? Obviously not!


Nope. Didn't look at the link.

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> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:46:44 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
>> > condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
>> > shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
>> > shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg

>>
>> I knew but haven't bought that stuff for years. I always kept a can when
>> Angela was little in case we ran out of milk. But now I can get shelf
>> stable milk so no need.

>
> Again, did you open the image link? They offer both low fat and
> no-fat sweetened condensed milk now


Nope. My bad. Twas evaporated that I bought and not sweetened, condensed.
I only used that for candy. But I wouldn't use low or no fat.

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> On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:40:03 PM UTC-8, notbob wrote:
>> I don't even drink milk, anymore. If a want a moo-juice facsimile, I
>>
>> buy almond milk. Better than soy milk, which is horrible. 8P

>
>
>
> I agree. I don't use much dairy anymore and for any milk needed I usually use coconut milk instead of soy. Soy milk is terrible tasting and not very good for you IMHO.
>


There's a guy here that makes a soy milk custard at his restaurant that
doesn't have a beany, hay-like, taste. It looks and tastes like the
freshest cream. It's the only dessert that I order at his Chinese
restaurant. As far as I know, nobody else makes this dessert. I've asked
him about it but have learned zero. Making soy milk not taste like soy
milk has got to be the greatest trick in the world.
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On 11/14/2013 4:30 PM, graham wrote:
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>> I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
>> condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
>> shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
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> That takes me back to my student days 50 yrs ago (gasp!). During the winter
> months, we'd keep the opened can of condensed milk (bought for out 11pm
> coffee sessions) on the window sill. After a day or two, a crust would
> form - delicious!!!
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>
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Crusty milk. Interesting. Mexican cooks would boil the cans in water for
a few hours to make a caramel sauce. This only works for condensed milk,
not evaporated milk!


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On 11/14/2013 12:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2013-11-14 4:37 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> In article >,
>> Dave Smith > wrote:
>>>>
>>> I had never seen anything but plain old sweetened condensed milk. given
>>> the sweetness, I would have thought that the fat would be the least of
>>> things to worry about.

>>
>> Really? You don't have Pet milk in Canada?

>
> I don't think we do. We have Carnation evaporated milk. I Googled it
> and found Pet Evaportated milk.
>
>>
>> Wait, there's a Stan Rogers lyric that talks about a ranch
>> wife pouring "Carnation from the can", IIRC into her coffee.
>> I'm pretty sure that means regular evaporated milk.

>
> Yep.... evaporated milk.
>>
>> Plus, lots of people say "condensed" when they mean "evaporated". It's
>> usually easy to tell from context what the mean.
>>

>
> I can't speak for those who may be confused. Evaporated milk in my
> world is condensed only in that it has had a lot of the water removed
> from it to make is shelf stable, weigh less and take up less space. Some
> people like it in coffee. I have no use for it myself.


Evaporated milk is an important ingredient in Chinese custard pie.
Evidently, you can't make it with plain old regular milk.

>
> Condensed milk is an entirely different product, something very rich and
> creamy and used in cooking.
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> May
> even try it with a butterscotch / praline. This year's pecans are grander
> than ever. Polly


I've never made praline, but it's delicious. Do you have a favorite
recipe you can post or post a link to? Don't bother if you have to
type it out, but you can always scan the page and post a link to the
image if it's in a book.

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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:12:58 -0800, sf > wrote:

> I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
> condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
> shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
> shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg


They didn't have the low-fat version, but they did have no-fat - so I
bought that. Now I'm wavering between coconut macaroons (because I
have a lot of shredded coconut on hand) or Polly's pralines. Either
one will be out for hubby due to the sugar content, so I might need to
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> doesn't have a beany, hay-like, taste. It looks and tastes like the
> freshest cream.


Yes, true fresh soy milk is quite good. I usta get it at Viet
takeouts where I bought my banh mi's. It would come in little chilled
10oz plastic bottles, like an OJ bottle, and were excellent. They
also usta have pennywort juice, which had tapioca-like seed balls in
'em. Gaggingly sweet, but somehow tasty. I so miss Viet restos.

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> "sf" > wrote in message
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>>I feel like I've been living under a rock because I had no idea
>> condensed milk came any way other than full fat! Putting it on my
>> shopping list to check out the availability when I go grocery
>> shopping. http://oi43.tinypic.com/wj89le.jpg
>>

> That takes me back to my student days 50 yrs ago (gasp!). During the
> winter months, we'd keep the opened can of condensed milk (bought for out
> 11pm coffee sessions) on the window sill. After a day or two, a crust
> would form - delicious!!!


I remember it well ))

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