Son cooked yesterday and opted to use my two burner grill pan. I told
him to keep the heat down, which he didn't and he didn't let the meat
drain before he put it on the grill - so you can imagine the mess! It
took over an hour to clean the hood and backsplash this morning.

The grill-pan itself had burned on crud like you wouldn't believe, so
I thought I was being smart to turn it over and burn it off. If
you're ever in that situation, resist the urge and DON'T do it. The
reflected heat ruined the porcelain finish on my stovetop. It has
bubbled up and will flake off eventually. Bad, bad, bad!

Fortunately, that part of the stove seems to be a separate piece - so
I'm hoping I can replace it sometime in the near future.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
> Son cooked yesterday and opted to use my two burner grill pan. I told
> him to keep the heat down, which he didn't and he didn't let the meat
> drain before he put it on the grill - so you can imagine the mess! It
> took over an hour to clean the hood and backsplash this morning.
>
> The grill-pan itself had burned on crud like you wouldn't believe, so
> I thought I was being smart to turn it over and burn it off. If
> you're ever in that situation, resist the urge and DON'T do it. The
> reflected heat ruined the porcelain finish on my stovetop. It has
> bubbled up and will flake off eventually. Bad, bad, bad!
>
> Fortunately, that part of the stove seems to be a separate piece - so
> I'm hoping I can replace it sometime in the near future.
>

sounds like you have a stove that is better to look at than cook on.

On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:30:07 -0700, "Pico Rico"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Son cooked yesterday and opted to use my two burner grill pan. I told
> > him to keep the heat down, which he didn't and he didn't let the meat
> > drain before he put it on the grill - so you can imagine the mess! It
> > took over an hour to clean the hood and backsplash this morning.
> >
> > The grill-pan itself had burned on crud like you wouldn't believe, so
> > I thought I was being smart to turn it over and burn it off. If
> > you're ever in that situation, resist the urge and DON'T do it. The
> > reflected heat ruined the porcelain finish on my stovetop. It has
> > bubbled up and will flake off eventually. Bad, bad, bad!
> >
> > Fortunately, that part of the stove seems to be a separate piece - so
> > I'm hoping I can replace it sometime in the near future.
> >
>
> sounds like you have a stove that is better to look at than cook on.
>

With the way men brag about their gas stoves here - I don't see what
is wrong with a 20,000 btu burner that's only cranked up part way.

In any case, someone told me that all is not lost because porcelain
melts at a higher temperature than the cast iron pan, so what I
probably have is super burned on crud - not ruined porcelain. I'll
hit it with the oven cleaner a couple more times before I throw in the
towel.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
> Son cooked yesterday and opted to use my two burner grill pan. I told
> him to keep the heat down, which he didn't and he didn't let the meat
> drain before he put it on the grill - so you can imagine the mess! It
> took over an hour to clean the hood and backsplash this morning.
>
> The grill-pan itself had burned on crud like you wouldn't believe, so
> I thought I was being smart to turn it over and burn it off. If
> you're ever in that situation, resist the urge and DON'T do it. The
> reflected heat ruined the porcelain finish on my stovetop. It has
> bubbled up and will flake off eventually. Bad, bad, bad!
>
> Fortunately, that part of the stove seems to be a separate piece - so
> I'm hoping I can replace it sometime in the near future.

OMG, I hear you!!! My dh did the same thing with the stovetop grill not too
long ago. It turned portions of the white finish a yellow that won't come
off completely. Then, I did a stupid thing by turning on my self cleaning
oven and forgot to take the silicone linining out. It disintegrated all over
my oven and glass door and will not come off. I've tried just about
everything to deal with both issues but so far no success. I hope you find a
solution.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...

> OMG, I hear you!!! My dh did the same thing with the stovetop grill not
> too long ago. It turned portions of the white finish a yellow that won't
> come off completely. Then, I did a stupid thing by turning on my self
> cleaning oven and forgot to take the silicone linining out. It
> disintegrated all over my oven and glass door and will not come off. I've
> tried just about everything to deal with both issues but so far no
> success. I hope you find a solution.

My friend and I once ruined a bunch of stuff when her mom told us we could
bake a cake. We preheated the oven, not realizing that her mom was storing
stuff in there and she didn't bother to tell us that it was in there.
Wasn't until we smelled the burning plastic that we realized the mistake.

On 7/19/2013 10:21 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

>
> My friend and I once ruined a bunch of stuff when her mom told us we could
> bake a cake. We preheated the oven, not realizing that her mom was storing
> stuff in there and she didn't bother to tell us that it was in there.
> Wasn't until we smelled the burning plastic that we realized the mistake.
>
>
Growing up, my mom used to dry herbs in the oven so I've always been
accustomed to having to check the oven before turning it on. I don't
store anything in mine, but it's a habit so ingrained that I still do it.

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I sure understand that one. I had shoved a bunch of tupperware that was dirty in my oven when we had unexpected company. Severely diminished my tupperware connection when I forgot it was in there!!Long time ago, haven't done it since!!
Nan

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Son cooked yesterday and opted to use my two burner grill pan. I told
>> him to keep the heat down, which he didn't and he didn't let the meat
>> drain before he put it on the grill - so you can imagine the mess! It
>> took over an hour to clean the hood and backsplash this morning.
>>
>> The grill-pan itself had burned on crud like you wouldn't believe, so
>> I thought I was being smart to turn it over and burn it off. If
>> you're ever in that situation, resist the urge and DON'T do it. The
>> reflected heat ruined the porcelain finish on my stovetop. It has
>> bubbled up and will flake off eventually. Bad, bad, bad!
>>
>> Fortunately, that part of the stove seems to be a separate piece - so
>> I'm hoping I can replace it sometime in the near future.
>
> OMG, I hear you!!! My dh did the same thing with the stovetop grill not
> too long ago. It turned portions of the white finish a yellow that won't
> come off completely. Then, I did a stupid thing by turning on my self
> cleaning oven and forgot to take the silicone linining out. It
> disintegrated all over my oven and glass door and will not come off. I've
> tried just about everything to deal with both issues but so far no
> success. I hope you find a solution.

Oh dear I've never had a self cleaning oven and I doubt I ever will now
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> Son cooked yesterday and opted to use my two burner grill pan. I told
>>> him to keep the heat down, which he didn't and he didn't let the meat
>>> drain before he put it on the grill - so you can imagine the mess! It
>>> took over an hour to clean the hood and backsplash this morning.
>>>
>>> The grill-pan itself had burned on crud like you wouldn't believe, so
>>> I thought I was being smart to turn it over and burn it off. If
>>> you're ever in that situation, resist the urge and DON'T do it. The
>>> reflected heat ruined the porcelain finish on my stovetop. It has
>>> bubbled up and will flake off eventually. Bad, bad, bad!
>>>
>>> Fortunately, that part of the stove seems to be a separate piece - so
>>> I'm hoping I can replace it sometime in the near future.
>>
>> OMG, I hear you!!! My dh did the same thing with the stovetop grill not
>> too long ago. It turned portions of the white finish a yellow that won't
>> come off completely. Then, I did a stupid thing by turning on my self
>> cleaning oven and forgot to take the silicone linining out. It
>> disintegrated all over my oven and glass door and will not come off. I've
>> tried just about everything to deal with both issues but so far no
>> success. I hope you find a solution.
>
> Oh dear I've never had a self cleaning oven and I doubt I ever will
> now

I love self-cleaning ovens. It wasn't the oven at fault, it was me. I always
look in the oven before turning the clean cycle on and I did, but my mind
didn't register the silicone liner on the bottom this time. :-(

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Son cooked yesterday and opted to use my two burner grill pan. I told
>>>> him to keep the heat down, which he didn't and he didn't let the meat
>>>> drain before he put it on the grill - so you can imagine the mess! It
>>>> took over an hour to clean the hood and backsplash this morning.
>>>>
>>>> The grill-pan itself had burned on crud like you wouldn't believe, so
>>>> I thought I was being smart to turn it over and burn it off. If
>>>> you're ever in that situation, resist the urge and DON'T do it. The
>>>> reflected heat ruined the porcelain finish on my stovetop. It has
>>>> bubbled up and will flake off eventually. Bad, bad, bad!
>>>>
>>>> Fortunately, that part of the stove seems to be a separate piece - so
>>>> I'm hoping I can replace it sometime in the near future.
>>>
>>> OMG, I hear you!!! My dh did the same thing with the stovetop grill not
>>> too long ago. It turned portions of the white finish a yellow that won't
>>> come off completely. Then, I did a stupid thing by turning on my self
>>> cleaning oven and forgot to take the silicone linining out. It
>>> disintegrated all over my oven and glass door and will not come off.
>>> I've tried just about everything to deal with both issues but so far no
>>> success. I hope you find a solution.
>>
>> Oh dear I've never had a self cleaning oven and I doubt I ever will
>> now
>
> I love self-cleaning ovens. It wasn't the oven at fault, it was me. I
> always look in the oven before turning the clean cycle on and I did, but
> my mind didn't register the silicone liner on the bottom this time. :-(

Well the way my memory is these days ... I am better not to take the
risk

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
> Son cooked yesterday and opted to use my two burner grill pan. I told
> him to keep the heat down, which he didn't and he didn't let the meat
> drain before he put it on the grill - so you can imagine the mess! It
> took over an hour to clean the hood and backsplash this morning.
>
> The grill-pan itself had burned on crud like you wouldn't believe, so
> I thought I was being smart to turn it over and burn it off. If
> you're ever in that situation, resist the urge and DON'T do it. The
> reflected heat ruined the porcelain finish on my stovetop. It has
> bubbled up and will flake off eventually. Bad, bad, bad!
>
> Fortunately, that part of the stove seems to be a separate piece - so
> I'm hoping I can replace it sometime in the near future.

Oh wow. Sounds horrible!

I'm the only one who uses my oven but I never turn it on until I look
inside. A friend of ours with a busy toddler pre-heated his cell phone or
remote? something awful. So. I look first.
Before I heat the stove top, I seriously wipe it with a micro/thing
cloth. So much easier to remove a spray of oil or whatever before it
petrifies. Never thought I'd see the day when I cleaned the stove top
before I cooked but so it is. Polly

On 2013-07-19, sf > wrote:

> I'm hoping I can replace it sometime in the near future.

Whatta bummer. I once considered a cast iron dual burner gridle, but
thanks to you, I'll now pass. I did buy a cheapo electric (Rival?,
Presto?) that worked OK, but really didn't give me that much
advantage. Took up more room than it gave me, so I gave it away. Now
I jes use a big ol' cheapo 11" teflon skillet. Good enough.

nb

On 20 Jul 2013 12:10:45 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2013-07-19, sf > wrote:
>
> > I'm hoping I can replace it sometime in the near future.
>
> Whatta bummer. I once considered a cast iron dual burner gridle, but
> thanks to you, I'll now pass. I did buy a cheapo electric (Rival?,
> Presto?) that worked OK, but really didn't give me that much
> advantage. Took up more room than it gave me, so I gave it away.

Those grills are fine if you're not grilling marinated meat, which I
usually don't do. Son is the one who marinates and he'd never used an
indoor grill like that before. Live and learn, except he wasn't the
one who had to clean up the mess... so he didn't learn anything. I
learned that next time, he won't be given a choice. He will have to
use the outside charcoal grill or figure out something else.

The silver lining is that it turns out Trader Joe's Thai Chili sauce
http://www.traderjoes.com/images/fea...i-sauce450.png
is a fantastic chicken marinade and I'm inspired enough to make my own
in the future.
http://shesimmers.com/2009/02/how-to...i-dipping.html
http://thaifood.about.com/od/thaicur...uce-Recipe.htm


> Now I jes use a big ol' cheapo 11" teflon skillet. Good enough.
>

Cast iron skillets work just as well as the grill pan. The only so
called "advantage" I can think of is you'll get grill marks with the
grill pan.... IMO, (seasoned, but not marinated) steaks cook just as
well on either.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

sf wrote:
>
> The silver lining is that it turns out Trader Joe's Thai Chili sauce
> http://www.traderjoes.com/images/fea...i-sauce450.png
> is a fantastic chicken marinade and I'm inspired enough to make my own
> in the future.

I'll take at your word for that and buy some tomorrow at TJ's. :-D


> Cast iron skillets work just as well as the grill pan. The only so
> called "advantage" I can think of is you'll get grill marks with the
> grill pan.... IMO, (seasoned, but not marinated) steaks cook just as
> well on either.

And stainless steel pans work just as well as cast iron if you know what
you're doing.

G.

Speaking of Trader Joe's. I've been munching on a bag of TJ's, "Savory thin
mini rice crackers, multiseed with soy sauce." They are very good and
flavorful but I can't help thinking that they would be better with some soft
cheese as a dip.

I'm very cheese-challenged so I don't know what to try but I'll bet
something would enhance these rice crackers.

G.

On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 09:41:35 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> sf wrote:
> >
> > The silver lining is that it turns out Trader Joe's Thai Chili sauce
> > http://www.traderjoes.com/images/fea...i-sauce450.png
> > is a fantastic chicken marinade and I'm inspired enough to make my own
> > in the future.
>
> I'll take at your word for that and buy some tomorrow at TJ's. :-D
>
What I will do next time is not marinade the chicken, I'll brush it on
as the chicken cooks (less mess that way).
>
> > Cast iron skillets work just as well as the grill pan. The only so
> > called "advantage" I can think of is you'll get grill marks with the
> > grill pan.... IMO, (seasoned, but not marinated) steaks cook just as
> > well on either.
>
> And stainless steel pans work just as well as cast iron if you know what
> you're doing.
>
I use a very high heat when I cook meat that way and I don't like
scorching my ss pans - in any case, I have a couple of big cast iron
pans from my pre-ss days to use.
>
> Speaking of Trader Joe's. I've been munching on a bag of TJ's, "Savory thin
> mini rice crackers, multiseed with soy sauce." They are very good and
> flavorful but I can't help thinking that they would be better with some soft
> cheese as a dip.
>
> I'm very cheese-challenged so I don't know what to try but I'll bet
> something would enhance these rice crackers.
>

TJ's has a Pub cheese (spreadable cheddarish type) that you might
like. I've tried both flavors, but prefer plain over jalapeno.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

sf wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > Speaking of Trader Joe's. I've been munching on a bag of TJ's, "Savory thin
> > mini rice crackers, multiseed with soy sauce." They are very good and
> > flavorful but I can't help thinking that they would be better with some soft
> > cheese as a dip.
> >
> > I'm very cheese-challenged so I don't know what to try but I'll bet
> > something would enhance these rice crackers.
> >
>
> TJ's has a Pub cheese (spreadable cheddarish type) that you might
> like. I've tried both flavors, but prefer plain over jalapeno.

I don't think cheddar would work with these crackers. They are very
flavorful and I'm thinking a mild soft cheese of some kind. Last night, I
thought of softened cream cheese and that sounds like a possibility. I'll
pick some up this morning and give it a try. If not, I can use it up to make
a mini cheesecake.

I also thought of sour cream (with or without some flavor added). I'll also
try that.

G.

On Saturday, July 20, 2013 6:41:35 AM UTC-7, Gary wrote:
> sf wrote:

> Speaking of Trader Joe's. I've been munching on a bag of TJ's, "Savory thin
>
> mini rice crackers, multiseed with soy sauce." They are very good and
>
> flavorful but I can't help thinking that they would be better with some soft
>
> cheese as a dip.
>
>
>
> I'm very cheese-challenged so I don't know what to try but I'll bet
>
> something would enhance these rice crackers.
>
>
>
> G.


Hummus !!!

ImStillMags wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > Speaking of Trader Joe's. I've been munching on a bag of TJ's, "Savory thin
> > mini rice crackers, multiseed with soy sauce." They are very good and
> > flavorful but I can't help thinking that they would be better with some soft
> > cheese as a dip.

> Hummus !!!

I'll keep that in mind. I asked here about hummus several months ago. I've
still never tried it so I don't know the taste.

G.