Some passengers have already sued:

http://tinyurl.com/cuaexvq

But....

"Passengers may only sue over real physical injuries. That provision is
contained in the 10 to 15 pages of conditions, couched in a thicket of
legalese, that accompanies each cruise ticket."

Who didn't see that coming?

nb

notbob > wrote in
:

> Some passengers have already sued:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cuaexvq
>
> But....
>
> "Passengers may only sue over real physical injuries. That provision is
> contained in the 10 to 15 pages of conditions, couched in a thicket of
> legalese, that accompanies each cruise ticket."
>
> Who didn't see that coming?
>
> nb
>


The law suits? No-one.

In 'sue happy' USA it's the norm to sue for anything and everything, isn't
it?
It's classed as "supplementary income".


"Personal responsibility" is a phrase that is unknown by most 'Merikans.

--
Peter
Brisbane
Australia

Success isn't so difficult.
Just bite off more than you can chew,
then go do it.

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> Some passengers have already sued:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cuaexvq
>
> But....
>
> "Passengers may only sue over real physical injuries. That provision is
> contained in the 10 to 15 pages of conditions, couched in a thicket of
> legalese, that accompanies each cruise ticket."
>
> Who didn't see that coming?

As everyone is waiting with bated breath for my uninformed opinion, here
goes. I've never been on a cruise, but I've been in unexpected dicey
situations or have done things I did a hundred times before that turned
out very badly once. Guess which things I remember vividly?
Say someone comments, "We've been on a cruise blah, blah, blah". Then
you tell them your story. You win unless their story was the Andrea
Doria or the Costa Concordia. If that happens, just don't bring yours up.
There's value to a scary, uncomfortable, memorable experience for the
rest of your life. Even your kids may remember mom and pop's tale of woe.

leo

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> Some passengers have already sued:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cuaexvq
>
> But....
>
Dear carnival cruisers:
we are very sorry you had to sleep in common areas with strangers, poo in
bags and walk on sewer soaked carpets. We may have run out of food and water
but our staff remained up lifting - you're welcome. We also turned your ten
day cruise into 15 glorious days of uncontrolled bobbing in the ocean. We at
carnival think you should be thanking US for the unforgettable experience.
Not ONLY are we refunding the money you gave us for an expected good time,
but we are also giving you a DISCOUNT on another cruise AND 500 dollars!!!
Don't spend it in one place good people and we will see you next time when
we go for the gold and sink the damn thing.

Sincerely yours,

Carnival Cruises.

On 17 Feb 2013 02:25:58 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>Some passengers have already sued:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/cuaexvq
>
>But....
>
>"Passengers may only sue over real physical injuries. That provision is
>contained in the 10 to 15 pages of conditions, couched in a thicket of
>legalese, that accompanies each cruise ticket."
>
>Who didn't see that coming?
>
>nb


I like this line:
Carnival offered each passenger a full refund, credit for a future
cruise, and $500.

"They sit down and think 'What's the absolute minimum I have to give
these people?'" Hickey said. "They're counting on most people saying
that's enough."

But the lawyer disagrees. "$500 is kind of an insult," he said. "They
have been exposed to all this raw sewage that has been slopping out of
the toilets and sloshing on the carpet."

Ed Pawlowski > wrote in
:

> On 17 Feb 2013 02:25:58 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>Some passengers have already sued:
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/cuaexvq
>>
>>But....
>>
>>"Passengers may only sue over real physical injuries. That provision
is
>>contained in the 10 to 15 pages of conditions, couched in a thicket of
>>legalese, that accompanies each cruise ticket."
>>
>>Who didn't see that coming?
>>
>>nb
>
>
> I like this line:
> Carnival offered each passenger a full refund, credit for a future
> cruise, and $500.
>
> "They sit down and think 'What's the absolute minimum I have to give
> these people?'" Hickey said. "They're counting on most people saying
> that's enough."
>
> But the lawyer disagrees. "$500 is kind of an insult," he said. "They
> have been exposed to all this raw sewage that has been slopping out of
> the toilets and sloshing on the carpet."
>


For most of them, it probably reminds them of home.



--
Peter
Brisbane
Australia

Success isn't so difficult.
Just bite off more than you can chew,
then go do it.

On 17 Feb 2013 02:25:58 GMT, notbob wrote:

> Some passengers have already sued:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cuaexvq
>
> But....
>
> "Passengers may only sue over real physical injuries. That provision is
> contained in the 10 to 15 pages of conditions, couched in a thicket of
> legalese, that accompanies each cruise ticket."
>
> Who didn't see that coming?

It's the same kind of legal bullshit that they use to deny a one
million dollar$ reward because the fugitive was killed by the cops
rather than "apprehended and convicted". Oops! Sorry, we killed him.
You no get reward.

**** all cops. It's the same kind of two-faced bullshit that Dorner
was rallying against.

Dorner is a HERO!

On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:53:24 -0800, "Dimitri" >
wrote:

>
> "notbob" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Some passengers have already sued:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/cuaexvq
> >
> > But....
> >
> Dear carnival cruisers:
> we are very sorry you had to sleep in common areas with strangers, poo in
> bags and walk on sewer soaked carpets. We may have run out of food and water
> but our staff remained up lifting - you're welcome. We also turned your ten
> day cruise into 15 glorious days of uncontrolled bobbing in the ocean. We at
> carnival think you should be thanking US for the unforgettable experience.
> Not ONLY are we refunding the money you gave us for an expected good time,
> but we are also giving you a DISCOUNT on another cruise AND 500 dollars!!!
> Don't spend it in one place good people and we will see you next time when
> we go for the gold and sink the damn thing.
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Carnival Cruises.

That sums it up and they will get away with it... the bastids.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 00:40:32 -0600, Fred Dorner
> wrote:

> Dorner is a HERO!

I agree with your observation of the cruise ship problem, but Dorner
was no hero. He was a crazy SOB... and he had to be *extra* crazy to
be a "former" LAPD officer, because LAPD sets the bar for the West.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 2/16/2013 10:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 17 Feb 2013 02:25:58 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>> Some passengers have already sued:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/cuaexvq
>>
>> But....
>>
>> "Passengers may only sue over real physical injuries. That provision is
>> contained in the 10 to 15 pages of conditions, couched in a thicket of
>> legalese, that accompanies each cruise ticket."
>>
>> Who didn't see that coming?
>>
>> nb
>
>
> I like this line:
> Carnival offered each passenger a full refund, credit for a future
> cruise, and $500.
>
> "They sit down and think 'What's the absolute minimum I have to give
> these people?'" Hickey said. "They're counting on most people saying
> that's enough."
>
> But the lawyer disagrees. "$500 is kind of an insult," he said. "They
> have been exposed to all this raw sewage that has been slopping out of
> the toilets and sloshing on the carpet."
>

We had a bad experience at the port of Venice where we were boarding a
Royal Caribbean ship. I wrote Royal Caribbean a very nice letter, which
also complimented several of their staff and crew who were
super-fabulous. I advised them of the issues we had and, recognizing
that they didn't control the port, suggested that they have a dialogue
with the local authorities as the port's procedures did affect their guests.

They responded to my letter, point by point, thanked me for bringing the
situation to their attention and assured me that the items were already
on the agenda at departmental meetings. They included two future cruise
certificates worth $500 each as an apology for the port situation.

Then they followed up with a phone call to see if we had been treated
well by the corporate guest relations person who responded to my letter.

I did not complain. I did not whine. I just tried to be helpful to
other people, unknown to me, who would encounter the same obstacles and
problems we had at the port. I figured that someone had to tell them, so
I did. I did not expect anything more than a letter acknowledging mine.

We took an unplanned cruise last month with those certificates and the
goodwill generated by Royal Caribbean for their thank you gesture will
keep us loyal to the brand.

That's how a responsible cruise line treats its guests.
--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:28:28 PM UTC-6, I'm back wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski > wrote in
>
> :
>
>
>
> > On 17 Feb 2013 02:25:58 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>Some passengers have already sued:
>
> >>
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/cuaexvq
>
> >>
>
> >>But....
>
> >>
>
> >>"Passengers may only sue over real physical injuries. That provision
>
> is
>
> >>contained in the 10 to 15 pages of conditions, couched in a thicket of
>
> >>legalese, that accompanies each cruise ticket."
>
> >>
>
> >>Who didn't see that coming?
>
> >>
>
> >>nb
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I like this line:
>
> > Carnival offered each passenger a full refund, credit for a future
>
> > cruise, and $500.
>
> >
>
> > "They sit down and think 'What's the absolute minimum I have to give
>
> > these people?'" Hickey said. "They're counting on most people saying
>
> > that's enough."
>
> >
>
> > But the lawyer disagrees. "$500 is kind of an insult," he said. "They
>
> > have been exposed to all this raw sewage that has been slopping out of
>
> > the toilets and sloshing on the carpet."
>
Raw sewage crosses a line.
>
> For most of them, it probably reminds them of home.
>
You are an elitist asshole.
>
> --
>
> Peter

--Bryan

On Saturday, February 16, 2013 9:25:58 PM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
> Some passengers have already sued:
>
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cuaexvq
>
>
>
> But....
>
>
>
> "Passengers may only sue over real physical injuries. That provision is
>
> contained in the 10 to 15 pages of conditions, couched in a thicket of
>
> legalese, that accompanies each cruise ticket."
>
>
>
> Who didn't see that coming?
>
>
>
> nb

A little known fact (at least outside the legal community) is that having someone sign a paper saying "I can **** you in the ass" does not actually mean you can **** them in the ass without consequences. People sign waivers all the time. The validity of those waivers is decided in court.

Unless you're in that ******** sewer Australia. There, getting ****ed in the ass is a given.

Bryan replied to Captain Peter Swallows:

>>> But the lawyer disagrees. "$500 is kind of an insult," he said. "They
>>
>>> have been exposed to all this raw sewage that has been slopping out of
>>
>>> the toilets and sloshing on the carpet."
>>
> Raw sewage crosses a line.
>>
>> For most of them, it probably reminds them of home.
>>
> You are an elitist asshole.

Swallows *wishes* she were sophisticated enough to be elitist. As it stands,
she's just another ignorant hyper-provincial catchphrase-parroting howler
monkey.

Bob

On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 11:18:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

>On Sunday, February 17, 2013 12:26:01 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
>> On Feb 17, 10:55*am, Susan > wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On 2/16/2013 9:34 PM, I'm back wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > > "Personal responsibility" is a phrase that is unknown by most 'Merikans.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > You don't know most Americans.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Susan
>>
>>
>>
>> He also apparently thinks most people who can afford to go on cruises
>>
>> don't have inside plumbing where they live. Odd assumptions.
>>
>>
>>
>> N.
>
>He lives in a country where indoor plumbing is a luxury. Filthy, boorish, ugly people. If you're ever at an event (sporting, academic, professional) that is attended by an international audience, you can bet that an Australian will **** it up by being a lout. I can't stress enough how awful Australians are to deal with.
>****ing animals.

Wait just a ****ing minute... my cats have indoor plumbing and know
how to use it... you on the other hand can't use a ****ing computer...
just lookit all that slop you left, you missed the bowl you ****ing
filthy dirty davis douchebag.

On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:16:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>Bryan replied to Captain Peter Swallows:
>
>>>> But the lawyer disagrees. "$500 is kind of an insult," he said. "They
>>>
>>>> have been exposed to all this raw sewage that has been slopping out of
>>>
>>>> the toilets and sloshing on the carpet."
>>>
>> Raw sewage crosses a line.
>>>
>>> For most of them, it probably reminds them of home.
>>>
>> You are an elitist asshole.
>
>Swallows *wishes* she were sophisticated enough to be elitist. As it stands,
>she's just another ignorant hyper-provincial catchphrase-parroting howler
>monkey.


Baboon ass face should know better being they're his kin... no Aussie
howler monkeys... howler monkeys live in Central America where they
subsist on shmoolins

On 2013-02-17, notbob > wrote:
> Some passengers have already sued:

Geez! These guys are a real trainwreck:

http://tinyurl.com/c4k25fy

After all this, they no doubt have all their loopholes fined tuned.

"It was the captain's fault! Sue him."

nb

Bryan > wrote in news:74d8aa42-b87d-4890-aa2d-
:

> On Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:28:28 PM UTC-6, I'm back wrote:

>>
>> > But the lawyer disagrees. "$500 is kind of an insult," he said.
"They
>>
>> > have been exposed to all this raw sewage that has been slopping out
of
>>
>> > the toilets and sloshing on the carpet."
>>
> Raw sewage crosses a line.
>>
>> For most of them, it probably reminds them of home.
>>
> You are an elitist asshole.



Ahhhhhh, struck a nerve did I, troll?

The got reimbursed for the fare, they got a free trip, and they got
$500.

And all for an 'adventure' on the high seas that they probably have at
home on a regular basis.

I s'pose next thing will be most of those morons on there will go on a
trip to SEAsia and sue the SEAsian Govt because they were "exposed to
raw sewage"??!!

They got their money back, and more, and they got a free trip...... but
the money grubbing little slugs just want to try and go for a bigger
payday by suing...... as is usual in the USA.

--
Peter
Brisbane
Australia

Success isn't so difficult.
Just bite off more than you can chew,
then go do it.

sf wrote about Captain Peter Swallows:

> (S)He seems to go in cycles and this one screams for medication.

Oh, is it *that* time of the month? I thought she was too old for that.

Bob

Captain Peter Swallows trolled:

> the money grubbing little slugs just want to try and go for a bigger
> payday by suing...... as is usual in the USA.

I wonder what proportion of the USA readers in this forum have ever sued
anybody. I'm guessing it's less than 5%. Of course, that makes it "usual" in
Swallows' world, just like being a soldier-sniffing ass spelunker is
"normal" simply because it's the way *she* makes a living.

Bob

On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:09:01 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

> sf wrote about Captain Peter Swallows:
>
> > (S)He seems to go in cycles and this one screams for medication.
>
> Oh, is it *that* time of the month? I thought she was too old for that.
>
I was thinking more along the line of bi-polar.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> Captain Peter Swallows trolled:
>
> > the money grubbing little slugs just want to try and go for a bigger
> > payday by suing...... as is usual in the USA.
>
> I wonder what proportion of the USA readers in this forum have ever sued
> anybody. I'm guessing it's less than 5%.

I sued somebody once, and settled out of court. A company had hired me on a
6-mo contract but they forgot to include a termination clause. I went to a
lawyer and she ran with it. She got me 2/3 of the unbilled hours.

Captain Peter Swallows tried to lie:

> The only way you can say *I'm* a "shifter" is if you have been listening
> to, and believing, the pathetic whinings of my obsessed stalkers.....

The only way to meet the definition of being stalked is if you're living in
fear. That's a necessary component of the definition. Since you use the term
"stalkers" again and again, I take it that you fear every single one of the
people you accuse of stalking you. Not quite the rugged SAS hero image you
wish you could REALLY project, is it, washout?

Regarding your nymshifting, you've done it countless times: PL, Aussie, PL
on the laptop, PL Bali, Peter Lucas, Peter Hughes, Susee Calpert (which I
thought was particularly hilarious on Facebook), I'm back, I'm back on the
laptop, I'm back in Brisbane, I'm back in Tassie, I'm back on a digger's
lap...

What on earth made you believe you could get away with such a blatant lie?

Bob

On 2/19/2013 6:05 AM, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Captain Peter Swallows tried to lie:
>
>> The only way you can say *I'm* a "shifter" is if you have been
>> listening to, and believing, the pathetic whinings of my obsessed
>> stalkers.....
>
> The only way to meet the definition of being stalked is if you're living
> in fear. That's a necessary component of the definition.
(snip)

Why on earth would anyone want to "stalk" him? He's just not that
interesting.
>
> Regarding your nymshifting, you've done it countless times: PL, Aussie,
> PL on the laptop, PL Bali, Peter Lucas, Peter Hughes, Susee Calpert
> (which I thought was particularly hilarious on Facebook), I'm back, I'm
> back on the laptop, I'm back in Brisbane, I'm back in Tassie, I'm back
> on a digger's lap...
>
> What on earth made you believe you could get away with such a blatant lie?
>
> Bob

Indeed. I've got two of his nick's in my k/f and I've only been using
this software for a few months. No doubt there will be more in the future.

Jill

In article om>,
says...
>
> Captain Peter Swallows tried to lie:
>
> > The only way you can say *I'm* a "shifter" is if you have been listening
> > to, and believing, the pathetic whinings of my obsessed stalkers.....
>
> The only way to meet the definition of being stalked is if you're living in
> fear. That's a necessary component of the definition. Since you use the term
> "stalkers" again and again, I take it that you fear every single one of the
> people you accuse of stalking you. Not quite the rugged SAS hero image you
> wish you could REALLY project, is it, washout?
>
> Regarding your nymshifting, you've done it countless times: PL, Aussie, PL
> on the laptop, PL Bali, Peter Lucas, Peter Hughes, Susee Calpert (which I
> thought was particularly hilarious on Facebook), I'm back, I'm back on the
> laptop, I'm back in Brisbane, I'm back in Tassie, I'm back on a digger's
> lap...
>
> What on earth made you believe you could get away with such a blatant lie?


Have you checked all the headers of all posts from all those ID's
to be sure they all came from one author, and that author is the person
you're accusing?

Surely you know, that across many usenet groups there are people
who use another's name to fake posts which appear to come from that
person but do not. The intention, is to discredit the targeted person
and try to get his name killfiled by as many as possible, blamed for
obnoxious posts he never made.

The innocent target, may then be forced to change his from_ID
to escape from killfiles he never deserved to be in. The stalker, then
repeats the excercise.

Janet UK.

Janet > wrote in
T:


(Pathalogically obsessed gayboi Boobie twitiliger screamed and cried...)

>>
>> Regarding your nymshifting, you've done it countless times: PL,
>> Aussie, PL on the laptop, PL Bali, Peter Lucas, Peter Hughes, Susee
>> Calpert (which I thought was particularly hilarious on Facebook), I'm
>> back, I'm back on the laptop, I'm back in Brisbane, I'm back in
>> Tassie, I'm back on a digger's lap...
>>

> Have you checked all the headers of all posts from all those ID's
> to be sure they all came from one author, and that author is the
> person
> you're accusing?


Nope....... it would never think of doing that, because then it would be
proven to be the stalking, obsessed, lying, drama queen, that it is.


Most of the 'names' that it has given above are figments of its rather
fertile (and predominately homosexual) imagination.

"Susee Calpert" on Facebook???!! Does this moron think that because it says
it here, that everyone is going to believe it?

There are several people on here who have access to my FB page.



>
> Surely you know, that across many usenet groups there are people
> who use another's name to fake posts which appear to come from that
> person but do not. The intention, is to discredit the targeted person
> and try to get his name killfiled by as many as possible, blamed for
> obnoxious posts he never made.
>
> The innocent target, may then be forced to change his from_ID
> to escape from killfiles he never deserved to be in. The stalker,
> then repeats the excercise.
>


Thanks for trying to explain it to Boobie, Janet, but it's just going to
fall on deaf ears. Pathalogical obsession makes people deaf to the truth,
fact, and reasoning.


I've had stalkers (here in Australia) for quite some years. Even took one
of the idiots to court, and won.

One of the stalkers that followed me around the 'net and forged me is still
posting here..... Jeßus.

I've always maintained that a leopard doesn't change its spots.


And just to lend a bit of 'fact' to your reasoning..... here's an example
of one of my stalkers, and the lengths that it used to go to....


From: "FunkyFish" >
NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.176.166.247

From: Ben Mann >
NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.176.166.247

From: "Amabo" >
NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.176.166.247

From: "chris" >
NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.176.166.247

From: PLucas >
NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.176.166.247

From: "peninsula" >
NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.176.166.247

From: "claymore" >
NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.176.166.247

From: "claymore" >
NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.176.166.247

From: "notbevan" <not >
NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.176.216.29

From: "??????" >
NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.176.216.29

From: "mmm" >
NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.176.216.29

From: "Terry" >
NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.176.216.29

From: LindaR >
NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.176.216.29



--
Peter
Brisbane
Australia

Success isn't so difficult.
Just bite off more than you can chew,
then go do it.

On 2/19/2013 8:36 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article om>,
> says...
>>
>> Captain Peter Swallows tried to lie:
>>
>>> The only way you can say *I'm* a "shifter" is if you have been listening
>>> to, and believing, the pathetic whinings of my obsessed stalkers.....
>>
>> The only way to meet the definition of being stalked is if you're living in
>> fear. That's a necessary component of the definition. Since you use the term
>> "stalkers" again and again, I take it that you fear every single one of the
>> people you accuse of stalking you. Not quite the rugged SAS hero image you
>> wish you could REALLY project, is it, washout?
>>
>> Regarding your nymshifting, you've done it countless times: PL, Aussie, PL
>> on the laptop, PL Bali, Peter Lucas, Peter Hughes, Susee Calpert (which I
>> thought was particularly hilarious on Facebook), I'm back, I'm back on the
>> laptop, I'm back in Brisbane, I'm back in Tassie, I'm back on a digger's
>> lap...
>>
>> What on earth made you believe you could get away with such a blatant lie?
>
>
> Have you checked all the headers of all posts from all those ID's
> to be sure they all came from one author, and that author is the person
> you're accusing?
>
> Surely you know, that across many usenet groups there are people
> who use another's name to fake posts which appear to come from that
> person but do not. The intention, is to discredit the targeted person
> and try to get his name killfiled by as many as possible, blamed for
> obnoxious posts he never made.
>
> The innocent target, may then be forced to change his from_ID
> to escape from killfiles he never deserved to be in. The stalker, then
> repeats the excercise.
>
> Janet UK.
>
>
To what end? When you get right down to it, none of us are really all
that important or even that interesting. I don't know why anyone goes
to such trouble to target and/or "discredit" a particular person. It's
stupid and childish.

Then again, I've been bullied by some folks on usenet and never once
considered nymshifting. Killfiles work both ways

Jill

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/19/2013 8:36 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article om>,
>> says...
>>>
>>> Captain Peter Swallows tried to lie:
>>>
>>>> The only way you can say *I'm* a "shifter" is if you have been
>>>> listening
>>>> to, and believing, the pathetic whinings of my obsessed stalkers.....
>>>
>>> The only way to meet the definition of being stalked is if you're living
>>> in
>>> fear. That's a necessary component of the definition. Since you use the
>>> term
>>> "stalkers" again and again, I take it that you fear every single one of
>>> the
>>> people you accuse of stalking you. Not quite the rugged SAS hero image
>>> you
>>> wish you could REALLY project, is it, washout?
>>>
>>> Regarding your nymshifting, you've done it countless times: PL, Aussie,
>>> PL
>>> on the laptop, PL Bali, Peter Lucas, Peter Hughes, Susee Calpert (which
>>> I
>>> thought was particularly hilarious on Facebook), I'm back, I'm back on
>>> the
>>> laptop, I'm back in Brisbane, I'm back in Tassie, I'm back on a digger's
>>> lap...
>>>
>>> What on earth made you believe you could get away with such a blatant
>>> lie?
>>
>>
>> Have you checked all the headers of all posts from all those ID's
>> to be sure they all came from one author, and that author is the person
>> you're accusing?
>>
>> Surely you know, that across many usenet groups there are people
>> who use another's name to fake posts which appear to come from that
>> person but do not. The intention, is to discredit the targeted person
>> and try to get his name killfiled by as many as possible, blamed for
>> obnoxious posts he never made.
>>
>> The innocent target, may then be forced to change his from_ID
>> to escape from killfiles he never deserved to be in. The stalker, then
>> repeats the excercise.
>>
>> Janet UK.
>>
>>
> To what end? When you get right down to it, none of us are really all
> that important or even that interesting. I don't know why anyone goes to
> such trouble to target and/or "discredit" a particular person. It's
> stupid and childish.
>
> Then again, I've been bullied by some folks on usenet and never once
> considered nymshifting. Killfiles work both ways

Oh yes! There are some very nasty bullies out there. The worst I deal
with!
The rest don't matter. I have never nymshifted either, but I know who has.
--
--
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2/19/2013 8:36 AM, Janet wrote:
> > In article om>,
> > says...
> >>
> >> Captain Peter Swallows tried to lie:
> >>
> >>> The only way you can say *I'm* a "shifter" is if you have been listening
> >>> to, and believing, the pathetic whinings of my obsessed stalkers.....
> >>
> >> The only way to meet the definition of being stalked is if you're living in
> >> fear. That's a necessary component of the definition. Since you use the term
> >> "stalkers" again and again, I take it that you fear every single one of the
> >> people you accuse of stalking you. Not quite the rugged SAS hero image you
> >> wish you could REALLY project, is it, washout?
> >>
> >> Regarding your nymshifting, you've done it countless times: PL, Aussie, PL
> >> on the laptop, PL Bali, Peter Lucas, Peter Hughes, Susee Calpert (which I
> >> thought was particularly hilarious on Facebook), I'm back, I'm back on the
> >> laptop, I'm back in Brisbane, I'm back in Tassie, I'm back on a digger's
> >> lap...
> >>
> >> What on earth made you believe you could get away with such a blatant lie?
> >
> >
> > Have you checked all the headers of all posts from all those ID's
> > to be sure they all came from one author, and that author is the person
> > you're accusing?
> >
> > Surely you know, that across many usenet groups there are people
> > who use another's name to fake posts which appear to come from that
> > person but do not. The intention, is to discredit the targeted person
> > and try to get his name killfiled by as many as possible, blamed for
> > obnoxious posts he never made.
> >
> > The innocent target, may then be forced to change his from_ID
> > to escape from killfiles he never deserved to be in. The stalker, then
> > repeats the excercise.
> >
> > Janet UK.
> >
> >
> To what end? When you get right down to it, none of us are really all
> that important or even that interesting. I don't know why anyone goes
> to such trouble to target and/or "discredit" a particular person. It's
> stupid and childish.

The fact is they DO it, who knows why. Think of it as a usenet
equivalent of pest phone calls. We've probably all had a random pest
phone call and shrug it off as some wanking inadequate. But that's no
indication, of how disruptive and damaging anonymous, persistent,
targeted pest calls can be if they go on and on until the target is
denied use of their own line or forced to change their number.

Janet.

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:08:46 -0000, Janet > wrote:

> I am pretty sure I've seen more than one style of language writing in
> posts supposedly authored by PL. Which suggests more than one person
> wrote them.

You are correct. Poseurs/haters have posted using his posting name,
but I don't think it has happened recently. Either that or I still
have them killed.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/19/2013 8:36 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article om>,
>> says...
>>>
>>> Captain Peter Swallows tried to lie:
>>>
>>>> The only way you can say *I'm* a "shifter" is if you have been
>>>> listening
>>>> to, and believing, the pathetic whinings of my obsessed stalkers.....
>>>
>>> The only way to meet the definition of being stalked is if you're living
>>> in
>>> fear. That's a necessary component of the definition. Since you use the
>>> term
>>> "stalkers" again and again, I take it that you fear every single one of
>>> the
>>> people you accuse of stalking you. Not quite the rugged SAS hero image
>>> you
>>> wish you could REALLY project, is it, washout?
>>>
>>> Regarding your nymshifting, you've done it countless times: PL, Aussie,
>>> PL
>>> on the laptop, PL Bali, Peter Lucas, Peter Hughes, Susee Calpert (which
>>> I
>>> thought was particularly hilarious on Facebook), I'm back, I'm back on
>>> the
>>> laptop, I'm back in Brisbane, I'm back in Tassie, I'm back on a digger's
>>> lap...
>>>
>>> What on earth made you believe you could get away with such a blatant
>>> lie?
>>
>>
>> Have you checked all the headers of all posts from all those ID's
>> to be sure they all came from one author, and that author is the person
>> you're accusing?
>>
>> Surely you know, that across many usenet groups there are people
>> who use another's name to fake posts which appear to come from that
>> person but do not. The intention, is to discredit the targeted person
>> and try to get his name killfiled by as many as possible, blamed for
>> obnoxious posts he never made.
>>
>> The innocent target, may then be forced to change his from_ID
>> to escape from killfiles he never deserved to be in. The stalker, then
>> repeats the excercise.
>>
>> Janet UK.
>>
>>
> To what end? When you get right down to it, none of us are really all
> that important or even that interesting. I don't know why anyone goes to
> such trouble to target and/or "discredit" a particular person. It's
> stupid and childish.
>
> Then again, I've been bullied by some folks on usenet and never once
> considered nymshifting. Killfiles work both ways

I'm no expert on stalking but from what I have seen, they don't always do it
because they think the person is interesting. Sometimes they do it because
of the reaction they get out of the person. Such as frightening them.

On 2/20/2013 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> The innocent target, may then be forced to change his from_ID
>>> >>to escape from killfiles he never deserved to be in. The stalker, then
>>> >>repeats the excercise.
>>> >>
>>> >> Janet UK.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>> >To what end? When you get right down to it, none of us are really all
>> >that important or even that interesting. I don't know why anyone goes to
>> >such trouble to target and/or "discredit" a particular person. It's
>> >stupid and childish.
>> >
>> >Then again, I've been bullied by some folks on usenet and never once
>> >considered nymshifting. Killfiles work both ways
> I'm no expert on stalking but from what I have seen, they don't always do it
> because they think the person is interesting. Sometimes they do it because
> of the reaction they get out of the person. Such as frightening them.
>
>
Heh. No one on Usenet has ever frightened me. Annoyed the hell out of
me, yes. Called me names, absolutely. Made up a bunch of BS? Sure.
It's adolescent behaviour and easy enough to remedy. Why do you think
filters (killfiles) were created?

Jill

"Julie Bove" > wrote in
:

>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2/19/2013 8:36 AM, Janet wrote:

>>>
>>>
>>> Have you checked all the headers of all posts from all those ID's
>>> to be sure they all came from one author, and that author is the
>>> person
>>> you're accusing?
>>>
>>> Surely you know, that across many usenet groups there are
>>> people
>>> who use another's name to fake posts which appear to come from that
>>> person but do not. The intention, is to discredit the targeted
>>> person and try to get his name killfiled by as many as possible,
>>> blamed for obnoxious posts he never made.
>>>
>>> The innocent target, may then be forced to change his from_ID
>>> to escape from killfiles he never deserved to be in. The stalker,
>>> then repeats the excercise.
>>>
>>> Janet UK.
>>>
>>>
>> To what end? When you get right down to it, none of us are really
>> all that important or even that interesting. I don't know why anyone
>> goes to such trouble to target and/or "discredit" a particular
>> person. It's stupid and childish.



Look up the words "pathological obsession", Jilly.


>>
>> Then again, I've been bullied by some folks on usenet and never once
>> considered nymshifting.



Have you received death threats because of online posts made in your name?
No.

You've been called some names/"bullied", so there is really no need for you
to change your online ID.

As usual, you really don't know what you're talking about.

The very first thing the Computer Crimes Unit of your local State/Federal
Police tells you (when you approach them to say that you have been forged)
is to change your ID.




>> Killfiles work both ways


Yes, they do.....and one wonders why the pathologically obsessed morons
don't exercise that option?


>
> I'm no expert on stalking but from what I have seen, they don't always
> do it because they think the person is interesting. Sometimes they do
> it because of the reaction they get out of the person. Such as
> frightening them.


Ummmm, no, Julie.

You're thinking about real life stalkers. *They* do it to (sometimes)
create fear.

Online stalkers are gutless cowards, hiding behind their computer screens
with the main aim of disrupting a persons 'online life' to make themselves
feel good about their own worthless, and completely inconsequential, lives.

*They* do it out of fear, and jealousy.

A *normal* human being would just say *PLONK* and move on with their
'online life'...



--
Peter
Brisbane
Australia

Success isn't so difficult.
Just bite off more than you can chew,
then go do it.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in
:


>
> I'm no expert on stalking but from what I have seen, they don't always
> do it because they think the person is interesting. Sometimes they do
> it because of the reaction they get out of the person. Such as
> frightening them.


No, they do it to harass and disrupt.... and it *does* have
consequences........

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/18...ence-dead-sea-
scrolls-case/


I firmly believe that anyone and everyone who wants to access the 'net,
should have an account with their name on it, completely traceable, and
have to put their name to anything they post.

If you don't want to do that, and think it is a "violation of your rights",
then the solution is easy. Get rid of your computer.




--
Peter
Brisbane
Australia

Success isn't so difficult.
Just bite off more than you can chew,
then go do it.

On 2/19/2013 8:36 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article om>,
> says...
>>
>> Captain Peter Swallows tried to lie:
>>
>>> The only way you can say *I'm* a "shifter" is if you have been listening
>>> to, and believing, the pathetic whinings of my obsessed stalkers.....
>>
>> The only way to meet the definition of being stalked is if you're living in
>> fear. That's a necessary component of the definition. Since you use the term
>> "stalkers" again and again, I take it that you fear every single one of the
>> people you accuse of stalking you. Not quite the rugged SAS hero image you
>> wish you could REALLY project, is it, washout?
>>
>> Regarding your nymshifting, you've done it countless times: PL, Aussie, PL
>> on the laptop, PL Bali, Peter Lucas, Peter Hughes, Susee Calpert (which I
>> thought was particularly hilarious on Facebook), I'm back, I'm back on the
>> laptop, I'm back in Brisbane, I'm back in Tassie, I'm back on a digger's
>> lap...
>>
>> What on earth made you believe you could get away with such a blatant lie?
>
>
> Have you checked all the headers of all posts from all those ID's
> to be sure they all came from one author, and that author is the person
> you're accusing?
>
> Surely you know, that across many usenet groups there are people
> who use another's name to fake posts which appear to come from that
> person but do not. The intention, is to discredit the targeted person
> and try to get his name killfiled by as many as possible, blamed for
> obnoxious posts he never made.
>
> The innocent target, may then be forced to change his from_ID
> to escape from killfiles he never deserved to be in. The stalker, then
> repeats the excercise.
>
> Janet UK.
>
All of that anti-American is definitely him and not a frogger. I think
I know his style by now.

On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:48:44 -0500, Cheryl >
wrote:

> All of that anti-American is definitely him and not a frogger. I think
> I know his style by now.

I've never heard the term "frogger" before. His poseurs tend to post
misogynistic, racist and generally unfunny "jokes".

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Cheryl > wrote in
eb.com:

> On 2/19/2013 8:36 AM, Janet wrote:

>>
>>
>> Have you checked all the headers of all posts from all those ID's
>> to be sure they all came from one author, and that author is the
>> person
>> you're accusing?
>>
>> Surely you know, that across many usenet groups there are
>> people
>> who use another's name to fake posts which appear to come from that
>> person but do not. The intention, is to discredit the targeted
>> person and try to get his name killfiled by as many as possible,
>> blamed for obnoxious posts he never made.
>>
>> The innocent target, may then be forced to change his from_ID
>> to escape from killfiles he never deserved to be in. The stalker,
>> then repeats the excercise.
>>
>> Janet UK.
>>
> All of that anti-American is definitely him and not a frogger. I
> think I know his style by now.
>


Oh dear, oh dear!!....... I point out some 'abnormalities' with the
'Merikan way of life, and give some facts about certain things, and all
of a sudden I'm "anti-American"!! ROFLMAO!!

FYI, 'Cheryl'...... I'm anti-morons.

And further FYI, some of my very good friends are American, and I used
to have a 'Green Card'.... but gave it up when I realised that most of
America is no better than a 3rd world country and I didn't want to be a
part of it.

We have a wonderful lifestyle here in Australia, something that a *lot*
of you Yanks are jealous of...... does that make you anti-Australian?



--
Peter
Brisbane
Australia

Success isn't so difficult.
Just bite off more than you can chew,
then go do it.

On 2/20/2013 7:18 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:48:44 -0500, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
>> All of that anti-American is definitely him and not a frogger. I think
>> I know his style by now.
>
> I've never heard the term "frogger" before. His poseurs tend to post
> misogynistic, racist and generally unfunny "jokes".
>
That term frogger came from a group (froup) from many many years ago.

On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:48:06 -0500, Cheryl >
wrote:

> On 2/20/2013 7:18 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:48:44 -0500, Cheryl >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> All of that anti-American is definitely him and not a frogger. I think
> >> I know his style by now.
> >
> > I've never heard the term "frogger" before. His poseurs tend to post
> > misogynistic, racist and generally unfunny "jokes".
> >
> That term frogger came from a group (froup) from many many years ago.

That's another one. I've seen "froup" here, but I have no idea why
people use it.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.