On 10/24/2012 12:50 PM, dh@. wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:08:17 -0700, Dutch > wrote:
>
>> dh@. wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:36:35 -0700, Dutch > wrote:
>>>
>>>> dh@. wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:16:55 -0700, Dutch > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>> The male calves are used in the veal industry. I'm sure some females are for
>>>>>>> some reasons sometimes, but it's mainly what they do to get the most out of
>>>>>>> basically useless male dairy cattle. As long as they're treated decently there
>>>>>>> should be nothing wrong with them experiencing life as a veal calf, afaWk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. But their lives are
>>>>>> NOT a *gift* to them in the sense that humans get to consider themselves
>>>>>> to be their benefactors. That argument, called "The Logic of the Larder"
>>>>>> is circular and illegitimate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Taking the lives of livestock into consideration is ONLY called that by
>>>>> eliminationists.
>>>>
>>>> That is a falsehood. You know the list of antis who have challenged the
>>>> Larder argument.
>>>
>>> No true antis have challenged it.
>>
>> That's a lie,
>
> That's a lie.

Not a lie. You're the one lying - repeatedly. *ALL* "antis" rejected
your bullshit "getting to experience life" version of the (il)Logic of
the Larder - every single one.


>
>> they were all true antis,
>
> That of course is an even bigger lie.

Not a lie.


>> including Ball and me.
>
> IF you honestly favor AW over elimination

False choice. I have already instructed you in this.