A coworker has suffered a stroke. We are going to make some meals for
her family. She has diabetes. I believe she takes insulin. There are
three adults in her household. I would like it if the meals were
freezable.

Would lean turkey chili be a good idea? Maybe some roast chicken or
turkey? I'd be grateful for any suggestions. Thanks in advance.

Tara

On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:34:42 -0500, Tara >
wrote:

>A coworker has suffered a stroke. We are going to make some meals for
>her family. She has diabetes. I believe she takes insulin. There are
>three adults in her household. I would like it if the meals were
>freezable.
>
>Would lean turkey chili be a good idea? Maybe some roast chicken or
>turkey? I'd be grateful for any suggestions. Thanks in advance.
>
>Tara

Meats, poultry, fish and low-fat dairy are all good ideas, as are
vegetable side dishes and whole grains. Your suggestions are great.

There are no two diabetics that react the same to foods. The general
rule is a healthy diet that minimizes any foods that could spike the
BG levels. This varies a lot...some can tolerate carbs better than
others without a spike. Some really have to keep carbs quite low.
Others can easily eat them in moderation. I am among the latter group
and keep very tight BG control.

There are other diabetics on this group, too, and some spouses of
diabetics. There should be a lot of advice flying at you soon.

Boron

On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 12:41:02 -0400, Susan wrote:

> Anything but starches and sugars, avoiding starchy veggies or fruits.
>
> A meaty soup or stew with non starchy veggies would be perfect.

Would beans in a chili or soup be too starchy?

Tara

On 10/21/2012 11:34 AM, Tara wrote:
> A coworker has suffered a stroke. We are going to make some meals for
> her family. She has diabetes. I believe she takes insulin. There are
> three adults in her household. I would like it if the meals were
> freezable.
>
> Would lean turkey chili be a good idea? Maybe some roast chicken or
> turkey? I'd be grateful for any suggestions. Thanks in advance.


Tara, that is so sweet of you and your coworkers. There is a program
online called Meal Train, that you can set up. She (or you) can lists
foods that someone is allergic to and foods she has to avoid. People who
want to bring food, can look at the calendar and sign up for days that
are available. You can also change it, if you need to.

http://www.mealtrain.com/

Becca

Don't skimp on the meat. Slip in mushrooms.

Del Monte brand tomatoes:

1 cup canned paste 40 net carbs.

1 cup puree 10 net carbs.

1 cup juice 09 net carbs.

1 cup canned diced 08 net carbs.

1 medium ripe raw 06 net carbs.


Progresso brand beans:

Canned red kidney beans:

1 cup 24 net carbs.

Canned white/cannellini beans:

1 cup 24 net carbs.

Canned black beans:

1 cup 20 net carbs.

When I made the effort my goal was below 50 net carbs PER DAY
unmedicated. Net carbs is total carbs minus fiber carbs. I used
calorieking. com to look up the nutritional label of any food and also
bought a paperback "The Complete Book of Food Counts." Give your friend
the paperback-it includes the restaurants as well as isolated foods.

Another issue is what they call the glycemic index-how fast a carb
entering your body becomes sugar in your bloodstream. Best example is
apples...applesauce...apple juice. I don't recommend apples in any form
but that gives you an idea of what glycemic index is all about.

No rice no potatoes no flour no sugar is the mantra. Fat and protein are
no problem except when you are also consuming too many carbs. Once that
fat has been deposited in your arteries you are not going to get a
chance to dissolve it later by diet...

No Flour of course means no bread pasta crackers cakes cookies pie
crusts wraps tortillas rolls cereals...however...there are low carb
breads and low carb flours out there if you study labels and your book.

A case of Fuse Slenderize would be a good drink to have on hand as well
as the diet sodas-when I am down for the count I find it exhausting to
have to shop to replenish drinks (if you could taste the water here you
would never suggest it as a drink.)

"Ema Nymton" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/21/2012 11:34 AM, Tara wrote:
>> A coworker has suffered a stroke. We are going to make some meals for
>> her family. She has diabetes. I believe she takes insulin. There are
>> three adults in her household. I would like it if the meals were
>> freezable.
>>
>> Would lean turkey chili be a good idea? Maybe some roast chicken or
>> turkey? I'd be grateful for any suggestions. Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Tara, that is so sweet of you and your coworkers. There is a program
> online called Meal Train, that you can set up. She (or you) can lists
> foods that someone is allergic to and foods she has to avoid. People who
> want to bring food, can look at the calendar and sign up for days that are
> available. You can also change it, if you need to.
>
> http://www.mealtrain.com/
>
> Becca

For some reason I did not see her post. There is no one good meal for
diabetics. There is no one diet that we eat. She should check with the
family and see what kind of diet this lady is on.

However, speaking from the stroke aspect, she may not want to eat at all or
may want to eat foods she didn't normally eat.

After my dad had his stroke, he was convinced that nothing would taste good.
We had to keep telling him that he liked certain things. He didn't believe
us. And then he would oddly eat things that he hated. He said that
everything tasted bad.

He also developed odd habits. He thought every food was supposed to be
dipped in something. He dipped his roll in Ranch dressing and said it was
horrible. But then he dipped his grilled cheese in applesauce and said it
was just okay.

"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:34:42 -0500, Tara >
> wrote:
>
>>A coworker has suffered a stroke. We are going to make some meals for
>>her family. She has diabetes. I believe she takes insulin. There are
>>three adults in her household. I would like it if the meals were
>>freezable.
>>
>>Would lean turkey chili be a good idea? Maybe some roast chicken or
>>turkey? I'd be grateful for any suggestions. Thanks in advance.
>>
>>Tara
>
> Meats, poultry, fish and low-fat dairy are all good ideas, as are
> vegetable side dishes and whole grains. Your suggestions are great.
>
> There are no two diabetics that react the same to foods. The general
> rule is a healthy diet that minimizes any foods that could spike the
> BG levels. This varies a lot...some can tolerate carbs better than
> others without a spike. Some really have to keep carbs quite low.
> Others can easily eat them in moderation. I am among the latter group
> and keep very tight BG control.
>
> There are other diabetics on this group, too, and some spouses of
> diabetics. There should be a lot of advice flying at you soon.

Since the meal is for the family, I would do a wide variety of things,
perhaps more than one would normally eat in one meal. That way whoever is
making the food choices for her (assuming she is not yet capable of doing it
for herself) can find what she needs. It might also be a good option to
provide some finger foods such as raw veggies if she is having trouble
operating a fork or spoon. That can sometimes happen.

"Tara" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 12:41:02 -0400, Susan wrote:
>
>> Anything but starches and sugars, avoiding starchy veggies or fruits.
>>
>> A meaty soup or stew with non starchy veggies would be perfect.
>
> Would beans in a chili or soup be too starchy?
>
> Tara

Please don't listen to Susan. Just because she doesn't eat starches doesn't
mean we all don't. I have a large pot of black bean soup cooling right now.
Yes, I got a very late start on it. I eat beans almost daily. You should
check with the family and see if she is eating low carb.

"z z" > wrote in message
...
> Don't skimp on the meat. Slip in mushrooms.
>
> Del Monte brand tomatoes:
>
> 1 cup canned paste 40 net carbs.
>
> 1 cup puree 10 net carbs.
>
> 1 cup juice 09 net carbs.
>
> 1 cup canned diced 08 net carbs.
>
> 1 medium ripe raw 06 net carbs.
>
>
> Progresso brand beans:
>
> Canned red kidney beans:
>
> 1 cup 24 net carbs.
>
> Canned white/cannellini beans:
>
> 1 cup 24 net carbs.
>
> Canned black beans:
>
> 1 cup 20 net carbs.
>
> When I made the effort my goal was below 50 net carbs PER DAY
> unmedicated. Net carbs is total carbs minus fiber carbs. I used
> calorieking. com to look up the nutritional label of any food and also
> bought a paperback "The Complete Book of Food Counts." Give your friend
> the paperback-it includes the restaurants as well as isolated foods.
>
> Another issue is what they call the glycemic index-how fast a carb
> entering your body becomes sugar in your bloodstream. Best example is
> apples...applesauce...apple juice. I don't recommend apples in any form
> but that gives you an idea of what glycemic index is all about.
>
> No rice no potatoes no flour no sugar is the mantra. Fat and protein are
> no problem except when you are also consuming too many carbs. Once that
> fat has been deposited in your arteries you are not going to get a
> chance to dissolve it later by diet...
>
> No Flour of course means no bread pasta crackers cakes cookies pie
> crusts wraps tortillas rolls cereals...however...there are low carb
> breads and low carb flours out there if you study labels and your book.
>
> A case of Fuse Slenderize would be a good drink to have on hand as well
> as the diet sodas-when I am down for the count I find it exhausting to
> have to shop to replenish drinks (if you could taste the water here you
> would never suggest it as a drink.)

I eat rice. I eat flour. Currently eat whole wheat bread and if I eat
tortillas they are a mix of corn and wheat. I eat potatoes. All work for
me. We are all different and there is no one diabetic diet. But wouldn't
it make it easy if there were? If I kept my carb count under 50 net carbs
per day, my blood sugar would remain over 300 all the time. I have to be
careful to eat enough carbs, but also be careful not to eat too many.

In a case like this, unless I was able to talk to the family and find out
what kind of diet she eats, I would probably make some sort of plainish meat
and a whole lot of side dishes. Like maybe a big roast beef so that the
leftovers could be used later for soup or other things. Sides of potatoes,
carrots, green beans, maybe even some dinner rolls or bread. Remember she
is cooking for the whole family. Not just the diabetic. That way the
diabetic can take or leave whatever she needs to eat.

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 04:23:16 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:


>
>I eat rice. I eat flour. Currently eat whole wheat bread and if I eat
>tortillas they are a mix of corn and wheat. I eat potatoes. All work for
>me. We are all different and there is no one diabetic diet. But wouldn't
>it make it easy if there were? If I kept my carb count under 50 net carbs
>per day, my blood sugar would remain over 300 all the time. I have to be
>careful to eat enough carbs, but also be careful not to eat too many.
>
>In a case like this, unless I was able to talk to the family and find out
>what kind of diet she eats, I would probably make some sort of plainish meat
>and a whole lot of side dishes. Like maybe a big roast beef so that the
>leftovers could be used later for soup or other things. Sides of potatoes,
>carrots, green beans, maybe even some dinner rolls or bread. Remember she
>is cooking for the whole family. Not just the diabetic. That way the
>diabetic can take or leave whatever she needs to eat.

My mom was diabetic. We put her on a strict lo-carb diet and managed to
keep her on oral meds. Give her rice, even a small bowl or a little
sushi, though and her blood sugar would shoot through the roof - 250+.
So, yeah, it all depends.

Boron Elgar wrote:
> Susan > wrote:
>
>>The more someone has a need to recover, the more important glycemic
>>control is for healing.
>
> No cardiologist/neurologist or the dieticians that work with them will
> recommend high fat dairy to a diabetic who has just had a CVA, either
> ischemic or caused by blockage. And there is not just the fat
> involved with such a choice, but calories, too.

Susan is diabetic and studious. It happens regularly that a person with
a condition ends up learning more about that condition than the typical
general practitioner MD. In Susan's case she's studied the topic to the
point she knows the topic more like an endocrinologist specialist.

The chances that any one cardiologist knows th etopic of diabetes as
well as Susan is very low. Specialists will go with the version of
knowledge on the topic at the time they went to medical school. After
they specialize MDs learn their specialties well but they don't progress
much in other specialties.

if Susan disagrees with a cardiologist about medications I'll go with
the cadiologist. If susan disagrees with a cardiologist about food for
a diabetic, in a heart ward or not I'll go with Susan. She knows the
topic and the science behind it better than nearly any cardiologist I've
ever heard of.

The one exception is the standard issue Susan and I disagree on - Robert
Atkins MD was a board certified cardiologist when he started preaching
low carb and his experiences prescribing low fat diets to his heart
patients is one of the two reasons he launched into his low carb career.
Among cardiologists, mine is Atkins. and he agrees with Susan in this
part of her advice.

"Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
...
> Boron Elgar wrote:
>> Susan > wrote:
>>
>>>The more someone has a need to recover, the more important glycemic
>>>control is for healing.
>>
>> No cardiologist/neurologist or the dieticians that work with them will
>> recommend high fat dairy to a diabetic who has just had a CVA, either
>> ischemic or caused by blockage. And there is not just the fat
>> involved with such a choice, but calories, too.
>
> Susan is diabetic and studious. It happens regularly that a person with
> a condition ends up learning more about that condition than the typical
> general practitioner MD. In Susan's case she's studied the topic to the
> point she knows the topic more like an endocrinologist specialist.
>
> The chances that any one cardiologist knows th etopic of diabetes as
> well as Susan is very low. Specialists will go with the version of
> knowledge on the topic at the time they went to medical school. After
> they specialize MDs learn their specialties well but they don't progress
> much in other specialties.
>
> if Susan disagrees with a cardiologist about medications I'll go with
> the cadiologist. If susan disagrees with a cardiologist about food for
> a diabetic, in a heart ward or not I'll go with Susan. She knows the
> topic and the science behind it better than nearly any cardiologist I've
> ever heard of.
>
> The one exception is the standard issue Susan and I disagree on - Robert
> Atkins MD was a board certified cardiologist when he started preaching
> low carb and his experiences prescribing low fat diets to his heart
> patients is one of the two reasons he launched into his low carb career.
> Among cardiologists, mine is Atkins. and he agrees with Susan in this
> part of her advice.

Susan was actually never even diagnosed as a diabetic. She diagnosed
herself.

On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:24:56 +1100, John John >
wrote:

>On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:20:46 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>
>>Susan, I don't give a flying **** about anyone's bullshit postings
>>online. I seek the truth. Plain and simple. I have seen you operate
>>and you're generally not worth the trouble. That is why I have not
>>really bothered to slap you down before.
>>
>>Sugar, I have science on my side. You have a steaming heap of goat
>>custard that you are standing in up to your hairy armpits.
>>
>>I tell people what I think for a living. I do it well, and make a lot
>>of money at it. This is a busman's holiday,my shoveling your shit
>>away.
>>
>>Proceed, Susan. You only have one foot in your mouth so far. Having a
>>problem inserting the other one, my little x-no-archive Princess?
>>
>>Boron
>
>Ugly name, ugly attitude, ugly writing style... please at least be a
>man.

Well, I can certainly recommend that you suck my dick.

Boron