On 10/13/2012 4:20 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 10/13/2012 12:18 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> WTF do people find to talk about that they need a phone
>> permanently attached to their ear... I've overheard cell conversating,
>> like two imbeciles talking about nothing. I think all these perpetual
>> phoners are just very lonely because they have no life.
>
> I had to LOL at that one! Plus the fact that we can overhear their
> phone conversations in the first place. I was in a store one time and a
> guy had his speaker phone on and every other word coming out of the
> person he was talking to was the F word. And it wasn't an argumentative
> conversation, just "normal" talking for them, I guess.
>

I never understood why adults want to look they they are 5 years old
trying to sound what they imagine an adult would sound like by using
foul language.

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:06:20 -0400, Gary > wrote:



>
>Don't waste your time doing anything except ignore the calls. Eventually
>they will stop.

No, they never stop. The worst offenders are the credit cars, home
alarms, and now political surveys. While you don't have to answer
them, they will never stop.

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 09:58:26 -0400, George >
wrote:



>>
>> I had to LOL at that one! Plus the fact that we can overhear their
>> phone conversations in the first place. I was in a store one time and a
>> guy had his speaker phone on and every other word coming out of the
>> person he was talking to was the F word. And it wasn't an argumentative
>> conversation, just "normal" talking for them, I guess.
>>
>
>I never understood why adults want to look they they are 5 years old
>trying to sound what they imagine an adult would sound like by using
>foul language.

It just keeps getting worse. I hear people all the time that cannot
speak a sentence without the F word in it. Women are not quite as
bad, but some use if far too often.

I'm not sure if it is lack of education or just the environment these
people live in, but it is accepted far too easily. I never heard it
used in my house when growing up, it is still not allowed in my house.
My grandson (25 years old) is living with us and a few of his friends
used it and were asked to either stop it or leave.

"notbob" wrote in message ...

On 2012-10-12, James Silverton > wrote:

> them. The latest is from Disney World, which is hardly a charity or a
> political party.

Live call or recording?

I get a lotta recordings, which I promptly hang up on. I heard the
govt was gonna outlaw all recording calls, but haven't seen it. I
don't think they do much against blind live calls, either. That govt
do-not-call thing was probably more to make the govt look good than to
actually do anything to stop the calls. I notice the govt passes a
lot of laws making things illegal, but provides no penalty for
disobeying said laws. IOW, toothless laws, which are useless.

nb


--
Definition of objectivism:
"Eff you! I got mine."
http://www.nongmoproject.org/



Ah, but if you ask the caller to put you on the DNC list, allegedly they
have to.

I still get a lot of calls asking for my father or my mother. These are
usually political calls, especially this time of year. When I advise the
caller he/she is deceased they stammer "Oh, uh, I'm sorry" and often say
they'll remove the number from their list. If they don't, I ask them to.

The recorded calls (or otherwise unsolicited calls) are often the result of
an auto-dialer. It's a program that simply dials a list of numbers until
someone answers. If it gets a fax machine or voicemail it usually
disconnects. Remember the old movie, 'War Games'?

Jill

On 10/14/2012 10:23 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> "notbob" wrote in message ...
>
> On 2012-10-12, James Silverton > wrote:
>
>> them. The latest is from Disney World, which is hardly a charity or a
>> political party.
>
> Live call or recording?
>
> I get a lotta recordings, which I promptly hang up on. I heard the
> govt was gonna outlaw all recording calls, but haven't seen it. I
> don't think they do much against blind live calls, either. That govt
> do-not-call thing was probably more to make the govt look good than to
> actually do anything to stop the calls. I notice the govt passes a
> lot of laws making things illegal, but provides no penalty for
> disobeying said laws. IOW, toothless laws, which are useless.
>

Generally, almost all calls where the caller does not respond
immediately on my saying "Hello" are advertising, political or
charitable. If I wait, another sign is to be asked "Is that James" by
people I can't recognize. I have even had "Is that Jas" because my name
was abbreviated to "Jas V Silverton" in the phone book.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

On 14/10/2012 10:11 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
you pick up to a live person, tell them no thanks and hang up.
>> If you get an answering machine message or voicemail, ignore it
>>
>> Don't waste your time doing anything except ignore the calls. Eventually
>> they will stop.
>
>
> not true. But since they won't, perhaps your strategy is still the best.
>
>
They are computer dialed. They don't care if you answer or not. They
just keep calling.

On 10/14/2012 10:52 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 14/10/2012 10:11 AM, Pico Rico wrote:
> you pick up to a live person, tell them no thanks and hang up.
>>> If you get an answering machine message or voicemail, ignore it
>>>
>>> Don't waste your time doing anything except ignore the calls.
>>> Eventually
>>> they will stop.
>>
>>
>> not true. But since they won't, perhaps your strategy is still the best.
>>
>>
> They are computer dialed. They don't care if you answer or not. They
> just keep calling.
>

Any any laws are toothless for the worst offenders because they are
using VoIP to call from Mumbai or who knows where.

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:23:01 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:
snip

I notice the govt passes a
>lot of laws making things illegal, but provides no penalty for
>disobeying said laws. IOW, toothless laws, which are useless.
>
>nb

That's mostly down to Senators and Representatives who want to look
good back home at election time. Then they can say that they
wrote/sponsored such and such bill. Everyone is o.k. with passing
stuff like that because it means nothing and affects nothing.
Troublesome issues attract controversy and no one wants to touch those
unless they can create a spin on the issue against the opposite party.
(that's my cynical view)
The fair view says that whatever laws are created these days there is
a person out there that figures out a way to circumvent it.
Janet US

On 14/10/2012 9:51 AM, George wrote:

>> The only way the FTC can take action is if people get fed up enough with
>> the interruptions and they file complaints.
>
> But how do you press the number to be removed when you are reviewing the
> voicemail at a later time?


My phone maintains a list of calls and holds more than 50 of the last
calls. If it is a message, my message system allows me to press 5 to get
the time and date and the number of the call.

I don't know

On 14/10/2012 2:51 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 14/10/2012 9:51 AM, George wrote:
>
>>> The only way the FTC can take action is if people get fed up enough with
>>> the interruptions and they file complaints.
>>
>> But how do you press the number to be removed when you are reviewing the
>> voicemail at a later time?
>
>
> My phone maintains a list of calls and holds more than 50 of the last
> calls. If it is a message, my message system allows me to press 5 to get
> the time and date and the number of the call.
>
> I don't know
>
>
>


OOPs...send that one prematurely.

I just did a search and confirmed that the Canadian Radio
Telecommunication Commission has convicted off shore companies for
unsolicited calls to people on the Do Not Call list. They have laid
some whopping huge fines too, $12,000 against one company and $495,000
against another.

Apparently, those were charges against a company that was calling people
up to tell them about viruses in their computers.


The investigation was carried out in collaboration withe the US FTC and
Australia's Media Communication Authority.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...n.html?cmp=rss

On 10/14/2012 2:51 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 14/10/2012 9:51 AM, George wrote:
>
>>> The only way the FTC can take action is if people get fed up enough with
>>> the interruptions and they file complaints.
>>
>> But how do you press the number to be removed when you are reviewing the
>> voicemail at a later time?
>
>
> My phone maintains a list of calls and holds more than 50 of the last
> calls. If it is a message, my message system allows me to press 5 to get
> the time and date and the number of the call.
>
> I don't know
>
>
>
I was referring to the disingenuous offer about "press 9 now..." even
though there is a good possibility their system is leaving a voicemail.

On 10/14/2012 2:58 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 14/10/2012 2:51 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 14/10/2012 9:51 AM, George wrote:
>>
>>>> The only way the FTC can take action is if people get fed up enough
>>>> with
>>>> the interruptions and they file complaints.
>>>
>>> But how do you press the number to be removed when you are reviewing the
>>> voicemail at a later time?
>>
>>
>> My phone maintains a list of calls and holds more than 50 of the last
>> calls. If it is a message, my message system allows me to press 5 to get
>> the time and date and the number of the call.
>>
>> I don't know
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> OOPs...send that one prematurely.
>
> I just did a search and confirmed that the Canadian Radio
> Telecommunication Commission has convicted off shore companies for
> unsolicited calls to people on the Do Not Call list. They have laid
> some whopping huge fines too, $12,000 against one company and $495,000
> against another.
>
> Apparently, those were charges against a company that was calling people
> up to tell them about viruses in their computers.
>
>
> The investigation was carried out in collaboration withe the US FTC and
> Australia's Media Communication Authority.
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...n.html?cmp=rss

They fined them but how can they collect? I didn't think there was any
mechanism for that once someone is outside the boundaries of a country.
Thats pretty much the same reason folks stuff money in banks in the
Caymans and similar places because it is beyond the reach of tax
collectors in their home country.

On 14/10/2012 4:44 PM, George wrote:
I don't know
>>
>>
>>
> I was referring to the disingenuous offer about "press 9 now..." even
> though there is a good possibility their system is leaving a voicemail.



That's sort of like pressing the button for the cross walk signal,
except those sometimes work. If I get another call from one after
having pressed 9 to be taken off the list, I push the number to talk to
a rep.... and waste some of their time.

On 14/10/2012 4:46 PM, George wrote:

>>
>> The investigation was carried out in collaboration withe the US FTC and
>> Australia's Media Communication Authority.
>>
>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...n.html?cmp=rss
>
> They fined them but how can they collect? I didn't think there was any
> mechanism for that once someone is outside the boundaries of a country.
> Thats pretty much the same reason folks stuff money in banks in the
> Caymans and similar places because it is beyond the reach of tax
> collectors in their home country.


That's a good question, but if I understand it correctly, they must have
had some sort of office in the country. If the have someone to serve
papers on they have someone to hold liable. I would imagine that the
network can be traced back to whoever is providing the lines. I don't
really care if they pay the fines so long as they stop, but there are a
lot of international crime problems that are being handled these days.
Since this one involves fraud it is a criminal matter and they should
expect some cooperation from Indian authorities.

On 10/14/2012 10:23 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> That govt
> do-not-call thing was probably more to make the govt look good than to
> actually do anything to stop the calls. I notice the govt passes a
> lot of laws making things illegal, but provides no penalty for
> disobeying said laws. IOW, toothless laws, which are useless.

If you really believe that, take a stand to have it dropped. They're
sure spending a lot of money for something toothless. In the words of
Marty, just sayin...

On 10/14/2012 5:20 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> That's a good question, but if I understand it correctly, they must have
> had some sort of office in the country. If the have someone to serve
> papers on they have someone to hold liable. I would imagine that the
> network can be traced back to whoever is providing the lines. I don't
> really care if they pay the fines so long as they stop, but there are a
> lot of international crime problems that are being handled these days.
> Since this one involves fraud it is a criminal matter and they should
> expect some cooperation from Indian authorities.

And quite a few other countries are involved in crimes affecting the US
and we even have a place to file complaints from outside of the US -
https://econsumer.ftccomplaintassistant.gov

On 14/10/2012 9:07 PM, Susan wrote:

> I've been on the DNC registry for as long as it's existed and very
> rarely in all these years have I had telemarketing calls. I just tell
> them I'm on the registry and take me off their list and they do.
>

I signed up on the DNC list the day it started. I was being besieged by
calls, as many as a half dozen a day, almost all of them at dinner time.
That number dropped. I am down to one or two er week. On the rare
occasion that I am either not rude to them or make a game of keeping
them on the line I can tell them that I am on a TNC list and why on
earth would I do business with a company that does not respect my
request not to be called and remind that them it is a federal offence.

On 10/15/2012 8:48 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 14/10/2012 9:07 PM, Susan wrote:
>
>> I've been on the DNC registry for as long as it's existed and very
>> rarely in all these years have I had telemarketing calls. I just tell
>> them I'm on the registry and take me off their list and they do.
>>
>
> I signed up on the DNC list the day it started. I was being besieged by
> calls, as many as a half dozen a day, almost all of them at dinner time.
> That number dropped. I am down to one or two er week. On the rare
> occasion that I am either not rude to them or make a game of keeping
> them on the line I can tell them that I am on a TNC list and why on
> earth would I do business with a company that does not respect my
> request not to be called and remind that them it is a federal offence.
>

In our case the DNC list stopped calls from honest businesses. It didn't
do anything for the folks who lack a moral compass and are selling over
priced or worthless services or even worse running complete scams.

In the US the DNC specifically states that you cannot solicit cell
numbers. We are part of the 60% who no longer have a home phone. It is
trivial for anyone to verify if blocks of numbers belong to wireless
carriers but if you are operating a sleezy enterprise to begin with why
would you bother.

The frequency sees to work just like email SPAM. They take down a sleezy
organization and things are quiet for months and then another one who
was waiting in the wings pops up.

On 15/10/2012 9:02 AM, George wrote:

> In our case the DNC list stopped calls from honest businesses. It didn't
> do anything for the folks who lack a moral compass and are selling over
> priced or worthless services or even worse running complete scams.
>
> In the US the DNC specifically states that you cannot solicit cell
> numbers. We are part of the 60% who no longer have a home phone. It is
> trivial for anyone to verify if blocks of numbers belong to wireless
> carriers but if you are operating a sleezy enterprise to begin with why
> would you bother.



Yep. And if they aren't honest enough to abide by the laws when it comes
to calling you at home when you have signed on not to be called at home,
why would you want to do business with them.

> The frequency sees to work just like email SPAM. They take down a sleezy
> organization and things are quiet for months and then another one who
> was waiting in the wings pops up.


It's not unlike the burglary business in relatively law abiding areas.
There will be couple dozen burglaries in a community. It doesn't mean
that there are a couple dozen burglars. It is the same people. When they
get caught the burglary rate plummets.

If your phone is on the hook, there is no sure fire way to stop calls from coming thru. I let my caller id and answering device screen calls as much as they can. Short of that, disconnect the ringing at the connection block. Such is life.

On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:15:56 -0400, Gary > wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > On 14/10/2012 9:07 PM, Susan wrote:
> >
> > > I've been on the DNC registry for as long as it's existed and very
> > > rarely in all these years have I had telemarketing calls. I just tell
> > > them I'm on the registry and take me off their list and they do.
> > >
> >
> > I signed up on the DNC list the day it started. I was being besieged by
> > calls, as many as a half dozen a day, almost all of them at dinner time.
> > That number dropped. I am down to one or two er week. On the rare
> > occasion that I am either not rude to them or make a game of keeping
> > them on the line I can tell them that I am on a TNC list and why on
> > earth would I do business with a company that does not respect my
> > request not to be called and remind that them it is a federal offence.
>
> Again I say, just ignore the cold calls and let your answering machine or
> voice mail take a message. They will stop calling eventually. That has
> been my case anyway. Used to get lots of them but by ignorning them they
> have all stopped now.
>
> And I didn't waste my time "keeping them online" or reporting them to the
> govt. or bitching about them on usenet.
>
> I've kept my time to a minimum by ignoring the calls and letting them go off
> to find someone else.
>
> Same thing with spam emails...just ignore them. Click them away. Once you
> respond in any way, they know they found a live person and will persist.

I think the cold truth is that some people are as addicted to the
telephone as others are to the internet and although they love to
bitch and moan about those things, they secretly love it or they
wouldn't be answering an unknown ID (aka: private number) and devising
ways to keep a complete stranger on the line as long as possible.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:36:37 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>
>
> Am I expected to sit around and listen as the phone rings and rings
> until the machine picks it up?

Ring and ring? Set it to 3.

> Am I supposed to monitor the number on
> call display and see if is a friend of family calling?

If you don't, then don't complain here. You brought it on yourself.
>
> Nuts to that. My telephone is a communication device that I pay for so
> that I can talk to friends or business that I need to contact. It is not
> there for people from around the world to be calling me all the time to
> sell me stuff I don't want, and especially not for them to be claiming
> to be calling on behalf of MicroSoft or my ISP and trying to get me to
> hand over control of my computer to them.

Welcome to the real world.


--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:15:56 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>> >
>> > On 14/10/2012 9:07 PM, Susan wrote:
>> >
>> > > I've been on the DNC registry for as long as it's existed and very
>> > > rarely in all these years have I had telemarketing calls. I just
>> > > tell
>> > > them I'm on the registry and take me off their list and they do.
>> > >
>> >
>> > I signed up on the DNC list the day it started. I was being besieged
>> > by
>> > calls, as many as a half dozen a day, almost all of them at dinner
>> > time.
>> > That number dropped. I am down to one or two er week. On the rare
>> > occasion that I am either not rude to them or make a game of keeping
>> > them on the line I can tell them that I am on a TNC list and why on
>> > earth would I do business with a company that does not respect my
>> > request not to be called and remind that them it is a federal offence.
>>
>> Again I say, just ignore the cold calls and let your answering machine or
>> voice mail take a message. They will stop calling eventually. That has
>> been my case anyway. Used to get lots of them but by ignorning them they
>> have all stopped now.
>>
>> And I didn't waste my time "keeping them online" or reporting them to the
>> govt. or bitching about them on usenet.
>>
>> I've kept my time to a minimum by ignoring the calls and letting them go
>> off
>> to find someone else.
>>
>> Same thing with spam emails...just ignore them. Click them away. Once
>> you
>> respond in any way, they know they found a live person and will persist.
>
> I think the cold truth is that some people are as addicted to the
> telephone as others are to the internet and although they love to
> bitch and moan about those things, they secretly love it or they
> wouldn't be answering an unknown ID (aka: private number) and devising
> ways to keep a complete stranger on the line as long as possible.

I don't personally talk on the phone much. Only to one friend who does not
have the Internet and probably won't get it. And sadly to my pharmacy now
who seems to do nothing but screw up my prescriptions. As soon as they get
my latest screw ups fixed, I am switching back to the local pharmacy. I
switched to mail order to save me money but that hasn't really happened,
particularly if you have to factor my time into it. Or my Drs. time.

Anyway... I only have caller I.D. on one phone in here. Maybe two but I
never really use that phone so I don't know for sure. The I.D. isn't all
that great. The other day it just said, "Bothell" and it was from my local
pharmacy. A call I really did want and need. My other three phones are no
bells and whistles corded phones. They get very little use but they are
handy to have if I am near them and get a phone call. And it is a good idea
to have at least one corded phone in the house in case the power goes out.

I don't normally keep people on the phone for the heck of it but I do know
people who do. I did keep that guy from "Microsoft Windows" on the line
because I was in a particularly ****y mood when he called...it was early in
the morning and because I couldn't believe that he thought I was that
stupid. He sat there waiting while I called my brother. He instructed me
to get as much information from this guy as possible so I could file a
report with the FTC which I did. Now whether or not he gave me the correct
information or not, I do not know. My brother told me to act dumb which I
did but of course not to do anything that he said. Just to pretend like I
didn't understand what he was saying and to get more clarification. In that
way I was able to report exactly what was said to me.

Damned idiot had the nerve to call me back FOUR times after that. Even
after I said I had reported him to the FTC which I did while I had him on
the phone. And you had better believe that I wasn't nice to him in any way
shape or form.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:36:37 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Am I expected to sit around and listen as the phone rings and rings
>> until the machine picks it up?
>
> Ring and ring? Set it to 3.

Are you kidding? There is no way I could answer my phone in three rings
unless I was sitting right here at the computer and not actively involved in
anything. And that whoever used the phone last actually put it back in the
cradle. Mine is set to 5 but I can't always get there by then.

I hate, hate, hate phone messages and I will do what I can to prevent them.
But of course I can't always do that. What typically happens is that I get
some really long winded message from someone. Maybe the Drs. office or the
school. They don't give their phone number or maybe even their name until
the end of the message. And then I can never have paper and pen handy to
write it down. So I have to listen to the message all over again. And
invariably when they get to that part, they either speak too softly or not
distinctly so that I can't tell what they are actually saying. And then I
have to play it back 3 or 4 times and maybe even get my daughter to listen
to see if she can say what they are saying. I much prefer e-mail. It's all
there in black and white then. Of course it is possible that they'll make a
typo like with a phone number or something. But at least most of the time
you can reply to it!
>
>> Am I supposed to monitor the number on
>> call display and see if is a friend of family calling?
>
> If you don't, then don't complain here. You brought it on yourself.

I won't do that. I just think that is so very rude. When people routinely
do that, I just won't call them any more. I don't have time to play that
game of leaving a message and waiting for them to call me back.
>>
>> Nuts to that. My telephone is a communication device that I pay for so
>> that I can talk to friends or business that I need to contact. It is not
>> there for people from around the world to be calling me all the time to
>> sell me stuff I don't want, and especially not for them to be claiming
>> to be calling on behalf of MicroSoft or my ISP and trying to get me to
>> hand over control of my computer to them.
>
> Welcome to the real world.
>
>
> --
> I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On 10/15/2012 4:35 PM, George Leppla wrote:
>
> FWIW... that isn't how it works. Telemarketers buy lists of "confirmed"
> numbers. When your answering machine or voice mail answers the call,
> your number has been confirmed. Your number then gets sold and resold
> down the line.
>
> But the point is moot. Since the DNC legislation went into effect, the
> number of live, cold telemarketing calls has dropped to near nothing.
> EXCEPT... for charities and politicians who exempted their robo-calls
> from any DNC legislation.
>
> Like I said earlier, it has been years since I've gotten any live
> telemarketing calls. The DNC legislation isn't perfect, but it is
> pretty effective.

The voice of reason! I do have to admit I get a lot more
telemarketing robocalls now than I did when the DNC was initiated.
Robocalls are definitely on the radar of "people" these days.

On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:58:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I won't do that. I just think that is so very rude. When people routinely
> do that, I just won't call them any more. I don't have time to play that
> game of leaving a message and waiting for them to call me back.

That's life. People who screen their calls will pick up if they want
to talk to you. If they're not home, you won't hear from them anyway.



--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:58:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I won't do that. I just think that is so very rude. When people
>> routinely
>> do that, I just won't call them any more. I don't have time to play that
>> game of leaving a message and waiting for them to call me back.
>
> That's life. People who screen their calls will pick up if they want
> to talk to you. If they're not home, you won't hear from them anyway.

No. Some people simply do not answer their phones. They want you to leave
a message and then they will call back. People have told me this. I won't
call them. Unless I have to. My Drs. assistant hardly ever answers her
phone. She did answer once. I kind of have to talk to her so I have to
leave a message. But there are times when I really need to get a hold of
her ASAP and she takes two days to get back to me. That's not good.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 14/10/2012 9:07 PM, Susan wrote:
>>
>> > I've been on the DNC registry for as long as it's existed and very
>> > rarely in all these years have I had telemarketing calls. I just tell
>> > them I'm on the registry and take me off their list and they do.
>> >
>>
>> I signed up on the DNC list the day it started. I was being besieged by
>> calls, as many as a half dozen a day, almost all of them at dinner time.
>> That number dropped. I am down to one or two er week. On the rare
>> occasion that I am either not rude to them or make a game of keeping
>> them on the line I can tell them that I am on a TNC list and why on
>> earth would I do business with a company that does not respect my
>> request not to be called and remind that them it is a federal offence.
>
> Again I say, just ignore the cold calls and let your answering machine or
> voice mail take a message. They will stop calling eventually. That has
> been my case anyway. Used to get lots of them but by ignorning them they
> have all stopped now.
>
> And I didn't waste my time "keeping them online" or reporting them to the
> govt. or bitching about them on usenet.
>
> I've kept my time to a minimum by ignoring the calls and letting them go
> off
> to find someone else.
>
> Same thing with spam emails...just ignore them. Click them away. Once
> you
> respond in any way, they know they found a live person and will persist.
>
> G.


You don't have to listen to all the ringing with email. You decide when you
read it, so it's not really the same sort of thing. I get at least 5-6
telemarketing calls every day. Some from the same number day after day. I
did fill out the online complaints for the DNC but didn't make much of a
difference, so my choice now is to turn all the ringers off except the
bedroom and let the answering machine pick up if they make it past the 20
rejected numbers on the caller ID machine. Impossible to stop them.

Cheri

"George Leppla" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/15/2012 3:15 PM, Gary wrote:
>> Again I say, just ignore the cold calls and let your answering machine or
>> voice mail take a message. They will stop calling eventually. That has
>> been my case anyway. Used to get lots of them but by ignorning them they
>> have all stopped now.
>
>
> FWIW... that isn't how it works. Telemarketers buy lists of "confirmed"
> numbers. When your answering machine or voice mail answers the call, your
> number has been confirmed. Your number then gets sold and resold down the
> line.
>
> But the point is moot. Since the DNC legislation went into effect, the
> number of live, cold telemarketing calls has dropped to near nothing.
> EXCEPT... for charities and politicians who exempted their robo-calls from
> any DNC legislation.
>
> Like I said earlier, it has been years since I've gotten any live
> telemarketing calls. The DNC legislation isn't perfect, but it is pretty
> effective.
>
> George L


Really? I got two today which I did answer because I was by a wall phone
that has no caller ID and was expecting a call back from a concrete
repairman. One was a woman from Dr. Leonard's Catalog and one was from the
Sacramento Bee trying to sell me newspapers. I told both that I am on the do
not call list, and hung up. I bet they call back.

Cheri

On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:44:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:58:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I won't do that. I just think that is so very rude. When people
> >> routinely
> >> do that, I just won't call them any more. I don't have time to play that
> >> game of leaving a message and waiting for them to call me back.
> >
> > That's life. People who screen their calls will pick up if they want
> > to talk to you. If they're not home, you won't hear from them anyway.
>
> No. Some people simply do not answer their phones. They want you to leave
> a message and then they will call back. People have told me this. I won't
> call them. Unless I have to. My Drs. assistant hardly ever answers her
> phone. She did answer once. I kind of have to talk to her so I have to
> leave a message. But there are times when I really need to get a hold of
> her ASAP and she takes two days to get back to me. That's not good.
>
It's her job to get back to you promptly. Talk to her boss about it.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "George Leppla" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/15/2012 3:15 PM, Gary wrote:
>>> Again I say, just ignore the cold calls and let your answering machine
>>> or
>>> voice mail take a message. They will stop calling eventually. That has
>>> been my case anyway. Used to get lots of them but by ignorning them
>>> they
>>> have all stopped now.
>>
>>
>> FWIW... that isn't how it works. Telemarketers buy lists of "confirmed"
>> numbers. When your answering machine or voice mail answers the call,
>> your number has been confirmed. Your number then gets sold and resold
>> down the line.
>>
>> But the point is moot. Since the DNC legislation went into effect, the
>> number of live, cold telemarketing calls has dropped to near nothing.
>> EXCEPT... for charities and politicians who exempted their robo-calls
>> from any DNC legislation.
>>
>> Like I said earlier, it has been years since I've gotten any live
>> telemarketing calls. The DNC legislation isn't perfect, but it is pretty
>> effective.
>>
>> George L
>
>
> Really? I got two today which I did answer because I was by a wall phone
> that has no caller ID and was expecting a call back from a concrete
> repairman. One was a woman from Dr. Leonard's Catalog and one was from the
> Sacramento Bee trying to sell me newspapers. I told both that I am on the
> do not call list, and hung up. I bet they call back.

I hate the Dr. Leonard's and all things associated with them. Once in a
while I find it necessary to order from them. But then they always call and
try to sell you something else. Or they ask how you are liking your item
when it hasn't arrived yet. And they can do this because you did business
with them.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:44:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:58:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I won't do that. I just think that is so very rude. When people
>> >> routinely
>> >> do that, I just won't call them any more. I don't have time to play
>> >> that
>> >> game of leaving a message and waiting for them to call me back.
>> >
>> > That's life. People who screen their calls will pick up if they want
>> > to talk to you. If they're not home, you won't hear from them anyway.
>>
>> No. Some people simply do not answer their phones. They want you to
>> leave
>> a message and then they will call back. People have told me this. I
>> won't
>> call them. Unless I have to. My Drs. assistant hardly ever answers her
>> phone. She did answer once. I kind of have to talk to her so I have to
>> leave a message. But there are times when I really need to get a hold of
>> her ASAP and she takes two days to get back to me. That's not good.
>>
> It's her job to get back to you promptly. Talk to her boss about it.

Yeah! Like that will help.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

> I hate the Dr. Leonard's and all things associated with them. Once in a
> while I find it necessary to order from them. But then they always call
> and try to sell you something else. Or they ask how you are liking your
> item when it hasn't arrived yet. And they can do this because you did
> business with them.

I don't ever remember buying anything from Dr. Leonard, but I know that some
of these places have several businesses under a parent company, so maybe one
of those. I have never taken the Sacramento Bee either, so dunno why they
would be calling me.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I hate the Dr. Leonard's and all things associated with them. Once in a
>> while I find it necessary to order from them. But then they always call
>> and try to sell you something else. Or they ask how you are liking your
>> item when it hasn't arrived yet. And they can do this because you did
>> business with them.
>
> I don't ever remember buying anything from Dr. Leonard, but I know that
> some of these places have several businesses under a parent company, so
> maybe one of those. I have never taken the Sacramento Bee either, so dunno
> why they would be calling me.

The parent company for Dr. Leonards I think also owns Amerimark, Anthony
Richards, Beauty Boutique, Essentials, Healthy Living, Windsor, Complements,
and I think Taylor Gifts which is also connected to Get Organized.

On 10/15/2012 11:15 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> Really? I got two today which I did answer because I was by a wall phone
> that has no caller ID and was expecting a call back from a concrete
> repairman. One was a woman from Dr. Leonard's Catalog and one was from the
> Sacramento Bee trying to sell me newspapers. I told both that I am on the do
> not call list, and hung up. I bet they call back.


Chances are that when you bought something from Dr. Leonards, in the
fine print they assumed permission to call you. The language usually
goes something like "Purchaser agrees that seller may contact them with
special offers from time to time". It is one of those kinds of things
where you have to pro-actively opt-out.

Being on a do not call list does not apply if any company gets
"permission" from you, even if you didn't know you gave it.

George L

"sf" wrote in message ...

On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:58:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I won't do that. I just think that is so very rude. When people
> routinely
> do that, I just won't call them any more. I don't have time to play that
> game of leaving a message and waiting for them to call me back.

That's life. People who screen their calls will pick up if they want
to talk to you. If they're not home, you won't hear from them anyway.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

*********************
Exactly. If the person leaving a message is someone I want to talk to, I'll
pick up.

Sometimes it's someone I would like to talk to but I'm in the middle of
something. No big deal to call them back when I'm not busy. It's not rude,
it's reality.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> "sf" wrote in message ...
>
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:58:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I won't do that. I just think that is so very rude. When people
>> routinely
>> do that, I just won't call them any more. I don't have time to play that
>> game of leaving a message and waiting for them to call me back.
>
> That's life. People who screen their calls will pick up if they want
> to talk to you. If they're not home, you won't hear from them anyway.
>
> --
> I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila
>
> *********************
> Exactly. If the person leaving a message is someone I want to talk to,
> I'll pick up.
>
> Sometimes it's someone I would like to talk to but I'm in the middle of
> something. No big deal to call them back when I'm not busy. It's not
> rude, it's reality.

That's not always true. I have had people tell me they never answer the
phone. They always let the answering machine take it and then they make
their calls back at a certain hour that they have set aside for doing that.

"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...


"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> "sf" wrote in message ...
>
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:58:24 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I won't do that. I just think that is so very rude. When people
>> routinely
>> do that, I just won't call them any more. I don't have time to play that
>> game of leaving a message and waiting for them to call me back.
>
> That's life. People who screen their calls will pick up if they want
> to talk to you. If they're not home, you won't hear from them anyway.
>
> --
> I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila
>
> *********************
> Exactly. If the person leaving a message is someone I want to talk to,
> I'll pick up.
>
> Sometimes it's someone I would like to talk to but I'm in the middle of
> something. No big deal to call them back when I'm not busy. It's not
> rude, it's reality.

That's not always true. I have had people tell me they never answer the
phone. They always let the answering machine take it and then they make
their calls back at a certain hour that they have set aside for doing that.
**************

So? You can't dictate when someone else might want to talk on the phone.
Either answer your phone or don't; it's no skin off my nose.

Jill

George Leppla wrote:
> Cheri wrote:
>
>> Really? I got two today which I did answer because I was by a wall phone
>> that has no caller ID and was expecting a call back from a concrete
>> repairman. One was a woman from Dr. Leonard's Catalog and one was from the
>> Sacramento Bee trying to sell me newspapers. I told both that I am on the do
>> not call list, and hung up. I bet they call back.
>
> Chances are that when you bought something from Dr. Leonards, in the
> fine print they assumed permission to call you.

It gives them permission to call you until you tell them to put you on
their do-not-call list. Doing business once estalishes an exception to
the general list. Telling them on a call revokes that exception. This
process has worked for me.

Robocalls are now a problem. We only get a few but there is no
reasonable way to tell a robot to put you on the do-not-call list. I
have told robots "Do not call list please" to see if they understand
yet. Some do some don't.

Politicians, religious groups and charities are not required to access
do not call lists. The lists are for commercial calls. Right now I
take it lots of Americans are getting calls about the upcoming
elections. Yesterday I got called about a survey. I went ahead and
took it. The available options for some questions did not apply to me
and the survey taker actually tried to learn why. I'm a Libertarian not
an independent. In most cases I have little interest in the candidates
of the large parties but that does not make me undecided.

"Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
...
> George Leppla wrote:
>> Cheri wrote:
>>
>>> Really? I got two today which I did answer because I was by a wall phone
>>> that has no caller ID and was expecting a call back from a concrete
>>> repairman. One was a woman from Dr. Leonard's Catalog and one was from
>>> the
>>> Sacramento Bee trying to sell me newspapers. I told both that I am on
>>> the do
>>> not call list, and hung up. I bet they call back.
>>
>> Chances are that when you bought something from Dr. Leonards, in the
>> fine print they assumed permission to call you.
>
> It gives them permission to call you until you tell them to put you on
> their do-not-call list. Doing business once estalishes an exception to
> the general list. Telling them on a call revokes that exception. This
> process has worked for me.
>
> Robocalls are now a problem. We only get a few but there is no
> reasonable way to tell a robot to put you on the do-not-call list. I
> have told robots "Do not call list please" to see if they understand
> yet. Some do some don't.


but when you tell them, they MIGHT make a note in their computer. But the
call list is sold by someone else, and they do not learn of your wishes.