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On Monday, June 25, 2012 12:02:37 PM UTC-6, A Moose in Love wrote:
> <some snippage> > For the sake of not just our own health and that of our children and > grandchildren, but also for the health of the entire planet, we must > reduce or eliminate our consumption of meat. > > Can we do it? > } When they grow lettuce and tomatoes that taste like meat, I will gladly desist from eating it. Until then...fire up the BBQ...before the summer ends. == |
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"Roy" > wrote in message
... > On Monday, June 25, 2012 12:02:37 PM UTC-6, A Moose in Love wrote: >> > <some snippage> > >> For the sake of not just our own health and that of our children and >> grandchildren, but also for the health of the entire planet, we must >> reduce or eliminate our consumption of meat. >> >> Can we do it? >> } > > When they grow lettuce and tomatoes that taste like meat, I will gladly > desist > from eating it. Until then...fire up the BBQ...before the summer ends. Yep. Cheri |
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On 6/25/2012 8:24 AM, Roy wrote:
> On Monday, June 25, 2012 12:02:37 PM UTC-6, A Moose in Love wrote: >> > <some snippage> > >> For the sake of not just our own health and that of our children and >> grandchildren, but also for the health of the entire planet, we must >> reduce or eliminate our consumption of meat. >> >> Can we do it? >> } > > When they grow lettuce and tomatoes that taste like meat, I will gladly desist > from eating it. Until then...fire up the BBQ...before the summer ends. > > == > In the future, we or our children will be eating cultured animal tissue instead of real meat. It's all gonna end soon so let's enjoy it while we can. Until then, these are truly the salad days for meat eaters. :-) |
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dsi1 wrote:
> On 6/25/2012 8:24 AM, Roy wrote: >> On Monday, June 25, 2012 12:02:37 PM UTC-6, A Moose in Love wrote: >>> >> <some snippage> >> >>> For the sake of not just our own health and that of our children and >>> grandchildren, but also for the health of the entire planet, we must >>> reduce or eliminate our consumption of meat. >>> >>> Can we do it? >>> } >> >> When they grow lettuce and tomatoes that taste like meat, I will >> gladly desist >> from eating it. Until then...fire up the BBQ...before the summer ends. >> >> == >> > > In the future, we or our children will be eating cultured animal tissue > instead of real meat. It's all gonna end soon so let's enjoy it while we > can. Until then, these are truly the salad days for meat eaters. :-) It's all gonna end soon? Wouldn't it be better to change our lifestyles than it is to just adopt that attitude and keep on doing the same old things? -- Jean B. |
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On 6/26/2012 5:05 PM, Jean B. wrote:
> > It's all gonna end soon? Wouldn't it be better to change our lifestyles > than it is to just adopt that attitude and keep on doing the same old > things? > Fake meat might be so cheap to produce that raising animals will be too expensive. That's just my guess. I don't think that changing our lifestyles is in the cards unless there's something that motivates us to. That's no guess. |
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dsi1 wrote:
> > It's all gonna end soon? Wouldn't it be better to change our lifestyles > > than it is to just adopt that attitude and keep on doing the same old > > things? > Fake meat might be so cheap to produce that raising animals will be too > expensive. That's just my guess. I doubt that will happen within 10 years. Maybe 20. And when it does happen, U.S. consumers will resist it with all their might. |
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On Jun 25, 1:24*pm, Roy > wrote:
> On Monday, June 25, 2012 12:02:37 PM UTC-6, A Moose in Love wrote: > > <some snippage> > > > For the sake of not just our own health and that of our children and > > grandchildren, but also for the health of the entire planet, we must > > reduce or eliminate our consumption of meat. > > > Can we do it? > > } > > When they grow lettuce and tomatoes that taste like meat, I will gladly desist > from eating it. Until then...fire up the BBQ...before the summer ends. > > == Roy, find some heirloom tomatoes - there's a great old-timey "beefsteak." LOL. N. |
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On 6/26/2012 10:51 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
> dsi1 wrote: > >>> It's all gonna end soon? Wouldn't it be better to change our lifestyles >>> than it is to just adopt that attitude and keep on doing the same old >>> things? > >> Fake meat might be so cheap to produce that raising animals will be too >> expensive. That's just my guess. > > I doubt that will happen within 10 years. Maybe 20. And when it does > happen, U.S. consumers will resist it with all their might. > I think people will buy faux meat because it will be a cheaper alternative. It's the reason that people will buy a tablet rather than a desktop computer. They'll see the $200 tablet as a better deal. |
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On 27/06/2012 1:05 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 6/26/2012 10:51 PM, George M. Middius wrote: >> dsi1 wrote: >> >>>> It's all gonna end soon? Wouldn't it be better to change our >>>> lifestyles >>>> than it is to just adopt that attitude and keep on doing the same old >>>> things? >> >>> Fake meat might be so cheap to produce that raising animals will be too >>> expensive. That's just my guess. >> >> I doubt that will happen within 10 years. Maybe 20. And when it does >> happen, U.S. consumers will resist it with all their might. >> > > I think people will buy faux meat because it will be a cheaper > alternative. It's the reason that people will buy a tablet rather than a > desktop computer. They'll see the $200 tablet as a better deal. > I don't know why so many vegetarians go for these faux meats. There are lots of good vegetarian dishes to provide protein that might otherwise come from meat, but if you want something that looks and tastes like a hamburger, have a hamburger. If you want something that loos and tests like turkey, get a turkey. My vegetarian nephew keeps foisting faux products on me.... try it... it tastes just like a hamburger. No. It does not taste like hamburger, Hamburger tastes like hamburger. |
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On 6/27/2012 7:25 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > I don't know why so many vegetarians go for these faux meats. There are > lots of good vegetarian dishes to provide protein that might otherwise > come from meat, but if you want something that looks and tastes like a > hamburger, have a hamburger. If you want something that loos and tests > like turkey, get a turkey. My vegetarian nephew keeps foisting faux > products on me.... try it... it tastes just like a hamburger. No. It > does not taste like hamburger, Hamburger tastes like hamburger. > What I mean by fake meat is cultured animal tissue not textured vegetable protein. I agree with you that TVP is a funny thing. My friend likes to order fake hamburgers when we go to eat next door. I'll have to grill him about this the next time he eats one. My daughter doesn't eat burgers - she thinks meat is gross. She'll eat chicken though. I know a gal that's a vegetarian that would never go for a fake or real hot dog. She makes the most the most amazing dishes using things that I've never seen before and is healthy and energetic. In fact, she's a drummer. I've never seen her down or moody. Beats the hell out of me how she does it all on plant matter. A true freak of nature. If I was rich, I'd have her cook for me and pay her lots of money. |
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dsi1 > wrote:
>What I mean by fake meat is cultured animal tissue not textured >vegetable protein. I agree with you that TVP is a funny thing. My friend >likes to order fake hamburgers when we go to eat next door. I'll have to >grill him about this the next time he eats one. Eating is largely about nutrition. If one is vegan and through whatever combination of cost, convenience, and personal food isues, one faces a struggle getting up to the required 50 grams/day of protein, TVP based products are one of the possible solutions to this problem. I can't understand all the harping about Boca Burgers and such like. They share the disadvantages that are shared by all processed foods, but they do contain nutrition, are pretty convenient, and many restaurants have them (or similar) on the menu. >I know a gal that's a vegetarian that would never go for a fake or real >hot dog. She makes the most the most amazing dishes using things that >I've never seen before and is healthy and energetic. In fact, she's a >drummer. (Does this mean she will steal your girlfriend?) Steve |
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dsi1 wrote:
> >> Fake meat might be so cheap to produce that raising animals will be too > >> expensive. That's just my guess. > > > > I doubt that will happen within 10 years. Maybe 20. And when it does > > happen, U.S. consumers will resist it with all their might. > I think people will buy faux meat because it will be a cheaper > alternative. Not likely. Generic label foods lag in the marketplace even though most people can't distinguish them from the name-brands. > It's the reason that people will buy a tablet rather than a > desktop computer. They'll see the $200 tablet as a better deal. You don't really believe that's why people buy tablets, do you? Because they cost less? |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> dsi1 wrote: > >> I think people will buy faux meat because it will be a cheaper >> alternative ... Cultured meat is the stuff of science fiction. Because of the compexity of the chemistry and the simplicity of growing grass and beans and feeding those to cows I think cultured meat is going to remain the stuff of science fiction for decades. Some day over the rainbow we'll no longer need to ranch animals. I doubt I'll live to see the day. Maybe my granddaughters will live to see the day. > I don't know why so many vegetarians go for these faux meats. There are > lots of good vegetarian dishes to provide protein that might otherwise > come from meat, but if you want something that looks and tastes like a > hamburger, have a hamburger. It's always been bizzare to me. Go to a good vegetarian Indian restaurant. Heavenly food and nothing fake or immitated in it. |
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Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>Dave Smith wrote: >> I don't know why so many vegetarians go for these faux meats. There are >> lots of good vegetarian dishes to provide protein that might otherwise >> come from meat, but if you want something that looks and tastes like a >> hamburger, have a hamburger. >It's always been bizzare to me. Go to a good vegetarian Indian >restaurant. Heavenly food and nothing fake or immitated in it. Almost no Indian food is vegan. It is usually lacto-vegetarian. And, if vegetarian Indian food does not include paneer, it is almost always pretty low in protein. Indian food (at least, in my experience) lacks the ingredients found in other Asian fool traditions where attempts are made to concentrate the protein component (such as tofu, yuba, or seitan). Getting enough protein into the diet of south Asian people has been a decades-long struggle by the public planners there and they still have not succeeded, as the diet is still deficient for much of the population. Steve |
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On 6/27/2012 9:57 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
> > You don't really believe that's why people buy tablets, do you? > Because they cost less? > > Oddly enough, I really do believe this that people will change their ways if there's sufficient monetary savings. Given the choice between a $200 tablet or a $200 desktop system, most folks would probably opt for a desktop. That probably won't happen. What will happen is that people will see a tablet selling for $200 and a desktop going for $600 or more. A lot of folks will go for the cheaper tablet. It don't take a genius to see that. Of course there are other reasons why people want to buy tablets. There's also reasons why people don't want to buy tablets but my guess is that not having to shell out $400 is a pretty good incentive to ditch the real keyboard. Some people are saying that tablets will outsell notebook and desktops in then next 12 to 24 months. Nobody could have predicted that when Apple introduced the iPad a little over 2 years ago. I did, but then again, I'm good at these things. |
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On 6/27/2012 8:50 AM, Steve Pope wrote:
> > wrote: > >> What I mean by fake meat is cultured animal tissue not textured >> vegetable protein. I agree with you that TVP is a funny thing. My friend >> likes to order fake hamburgers when we go to eat next door. I'll have to >> grill him about this the next time he eats one. > > Eating is largely about nutrition. If one is vegan and through whatever > combination of cost, convenience, and personal food isues, one faces a > struggle getting up to the required 50 grams/day of protein, TVP based > products are one of the possible solutions to this problem. > > I can't understand all the harping about Boca Burgers and such like. > They share the disadvantages that are shared by all processed foods, > but they do contain nutrition, are pretty convenient, and many restaurants > have them (or similar) on the menu. > >> I know a gal that's a vegetarian that would never go for a fake or real >> hot dog. She makes the most the most amazing dishes using things that >> I've never seen before and is healthy and energetic. In fact, she's a >> drummer. > > (Does this mean she will steal your girlfriend?) Sir, I am a married man! > > > > Steve |
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dsi1 wrote:
> > I think people will buy faux meat because it will be a cheaper > alternative. It's the reason that people will buy a tablet rather than a > desktop computer. They'll see the $200 tablet as a better deal. I keep an open mind with all this. Just because things are genitically modified, doesn't necessarily mean they are bad. Science has improved our lives dramatically and extended life expectations over the past centuries. G. |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> > I don't know why so many vegetarians go for these faux meats. There are > lots of good vegetarian dishes to provide protein that might otherwise > come from meat, but if you want something that looks and tastes like a > hamburger, have a hamburger. If you want something that loos and tests > like turkey, get a turkey. My vegetarian nephew keeps foisting faux > products on me.... try it... it tastes just like a hamburger. No. It > does not taste like hamburger, Hamburger tastes like hamburger. Hi Dave, I said this last week or so. I have a friend that loves meat but he hates the killing of cute little animals. So he's vegetarian just for that reason...to not promote the killing of animals. So he goes for the animal-meat substitutes and some of them are pretty tasty. G. |
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Doug Freyburger wrote:
> Cultured meat is the stuff of science fiction. Not true. Petri dish to dinner plate, in-vitro meat coming soon LONDON | Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:35am EST LONDON (Reuters) - Scientists are cooking up new ways of satisfying the world's ever-growing hunger for meat. "Cultured meat" -- burgers or sausages grown in laboratory Petri dishes rather than made from slaughtered livestock -- could be the answer that feeds the world, saves the environment and spares the lives of millions of animals, they say. Granted, it may take a while to catch on. And it won't be cheap. The first lab-grown hamburger will cost around 250,000 euros ($345,000) to produce, according to Mark Post, a vascular biologist at the University of Maastricht in the Netherlands, who hopes to unveil such a delicacy soon. Experts say the meat's potential for saving animals' lives, land, water, energy and the planet itself could be enormous. "The first one will be a proof of concept, just to show it's possible," Post told Reuters in a telephone interview from his Maastricht lab. "I believe I can do this in the coming year." <http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/11/us-science-meat-f-idUSTRE7AA30020111111> |
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dsi1 wrote:
> > You don't really believe that's why people buy tablets, do you? > > Because they cost less? > Oddly enough, I really do believe this that people will change their > ways if there's sufficient monetary savings. Given the choice between a > $200 tablet or a $200 desktop system, most folks would probably opt for > a desktop. uh... What? > That probably won't happen. What will happen is that people will see a > tablet selling for $200 and a desktop going for $600 or more. A lot of > folks will go for the cheaper tablet. It don't take a genius to see > that. Of course there are other reasons why people want to buy tablets. My point being that the "other reasons" carry a lot more weight. If you're looking for a mechanical transport device, would you automatically choose a bicycle rather than a car because of the cost difference? How about a $400 set of cast aluminum cookware vs. a single $20 stamped fry pan? |
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Gary wrote:
> Hi Dave, I said this last week or so. I have a friend that loves meat but > he hates the killing of cute little animals. So he's vegetarian just for > that reason...to not promote the killing of animals. Cute little pigs? Cows? Salmon? What the $*&% are you talking about? |
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On 6/27/2012 11:48 AM, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote: >> >> I think people will buy faux meat because it will be a cheaper >> alternative. It's the reason that people will buy a tablet rather than a >> desktop computer. They'll see the $200 tablet as a better deal. > > I keep an open mind with all this. Just because things are genitically > modified, doesn't necessarily mean they are bad. Science has improved our > lives dramatically and extended life expectations over the past centuries. > > G. Man has been doing genetic modifications for quite a while in dogs. Mostly it makes a breed more specialized, less robust, and less suitable for survival in the wild. My assumption is that it's the same way with plants. What I'm afraid of is that we're making super strains of staph germs through our use of antibiotics that's really going to **** us over in a short while. I outta know cause I got an infection in my buttocks region that's taken over a month to get rid of. My wife, who is an RN says it's an awful looking infection and she's seen it all. Folks who work in hospitals are scared to death of the stuff. If you've got diabetes or a compromised immune system you're at greater risk of getting these nasty bugs. There's not much that can be done about this since we're swimming in an ocean of these germs. No doubt that we'll be hearing about this more and more in the future. God help us all. |
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On 6/27/2012 12:17 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
> dsi1 wrote: > >>> You don't really believe that's why people buy tablets, do you? >>> Because they cost less? > >> Oddly enough, I really do believe this that people will change their >> ways if there's sufficient monetary savings. Given the choice between a >> $200 tablet or a $200 desktop system, most folks would probably opt for >> a desktop. > > uh... What? > >> That probably won't happen. What will happen is that people will see a >> tablet selling for $200 and a desktop going for $600 or more. A lot of >> folks will go for the cheaper tablet. It don't take a genius to see >> that. Of course there are other reasons why people want to buy tablets. > > My point being that the "other reasons" carry a lot more weight. If > you're looking for a mechanical transport device, would you > automatically choose a bicycle rather than a car because of the cost > difference? How about a $400 set of cast aluminum cookware vs. a > single $20 stamped fry pan? > > As it goes, a desktop has some major disadvantages. They are big, expensive, use a lot of electricity not that intuitive to use or setup, and not mobile. OTOH, they do have a really big niffy keyboard! I'm not sure how one could compare a bicycle to a car. OTOH, a lot more people buy cheap cars than expensive ones. Why would you compare a set of cast aluminum cookware to a single pan? That makes no sense. I'll buy a good $30 dollar fry pan over a crappy $15 pan any day - no cast aluminum for me please! I really like my $24 pan. It's my workhorse pan that I use every day. I really doubt that a $100 fancy schmancy cast pan is going to perform better than any of the inexpensive pans that I have anyway. Of course, you can use 'em to impress your friends. That's worth something I suppose. :-) |
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On 27/06/2012 6:18 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
> Gary wrote: > >> Hi Dave, I said this last week or so. I have a friend that loves meat but >> he hates the killing of cute little animals. So he's vegetarian just for >> that reason...to not promote the killing of animals. > > Cute little pigs? Cows? Salmon? What the $*&% are you talking about? > > Shrimp and lobsters aren't cute. Nor are any of the molluscs. Young chickens are ugly and chickens are pretty vile creatures, mean and stupid. |
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On 27/06/2012 8:42 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote: >> >> On 27/06/2012 6:18 PM, George M. Middius wrote: >>> Gary wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Dave, I said this last week or so. I have a friend that loves meat but >>>> he hates the killing of cute little animals. So he's vegetarian just for >>>> that reason...to not promote the killing of animals. >>> >>> Cute little pigs? Cows? Salmon? What the $*&% are you talking about? >> >> Shrimp and lobsters aren't cute. Nor are any of the molluscs. Young >> chickens are ugly and chickens are pretty vile creatures, mean and stupid. > > That would be a good topic for a children's book. > Those ugly, mean animals and their cruel and vicious > thoughts. We're doing God's work by killing and > eating them! We're making the world beautiful! > Just send them to Sunday School and read them Genesis so they can see that God gave man dominion over the animals. |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 27/06/2012 6:18 PM, George M. Middius wrote: > > Gary wrote: > > > >> Hi Dave, I said this last week or so. I have a friend that loves meat but > >> he hates the killing of cute little animals. So he's vegetarian just for > >> that reason...to not promote the killing of animals. > > > > Cute little pigs? Cows? Salmon? What the $*&% are you talking about? > > Shrimp and lobsters aren't cute. Nor are any of the molluscs. Young > chickens are ugly and chickens are pretty vile creatures, mean and stupid. That would be a good topic for a children's book. Those ugly, mean animals and their cruel and vicious thoughts. We're doing God's work by killing and eating them! We're making the world beautiful! |
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dsi1 wrote:
> >> That probably won't happen. What will happen is that people will see a > >> tablet selling for $200 and a desktop going for $600 or more. A lot of > >> folks will go for the cheaper tablet. It don't take a genius to see > >> that. Of course there are other reasons why people want to buy tablets. > > > > My point being that the "other reasons" carry a lot more weight. If > > you're looking for a mechanical transport device, would you > > automatically choose a bicycle rather than a car because of the cost > > difference? How about a $400 set of cast aluminum cookware vs. a > > single $20 stamped fry pan? > As it goes, a desktop has some major disadvantages. They are big, > expensive, use a lot of electricity not that intuitive to use or setup, > and not mobile. OTOH, they do have a really big niffy keyboard! You're not up on current configurations. Today's desktops are about twice the weight of a notebook and use much less power than the old style. > I'm not sure how one could compare a bicycle to a car. OTOH, a lot more > people buy cheap cars than expensive ones. Why would you compare a set > of cast aluminum cookware to a single pan? That makes no sense. I'll buy > a good $30 dollar fry pan over a crappy $15 pan any day - no cast > aluminum for me please! I really like my $24 pan. It's my workhorse pan > that I use every day. > > I really doubt that a $100 fancy schmancy cast pan is going to perform > better than any of the inexpensive pans that I have anyway. Of course, > you can use 'em to impress your friends. That's worth something I > suppose. :-) I give up. BTW, do you run any socks here? Maybe one who professes to be a taxi driver? |
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Sqwertz > wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:50:56 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote: >> Eating is largely about nutrition. If one is vegan and through whatever >> combination of cost, convenience, and personal food isues, one faces a >> struggle getting up to the required 50 grams/day of protein, TVP based >> products are one of the possible solutions to this problem. >And take a look at all the top allergens, all of which are on the >rise. Pretty soon meat will be the only thing that is not allergenic. >If you're plagued with food allergies (and "intolerances"), you can >pretty much kiss being a healthy vegetarian goodbye. I think a lot of this is fakery by the meat-dominated USDA who like to play up soy, wheat, nut, and seafood allergies. The fact is, a human can develop an allergy to any protein, whether vegetable or animal. It is an evolutionary trade-off that enabled us to defend against parasites. The hand of Darwin and all that. Steve |
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On 6/27/2012 3:40 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
> dsi1 wrote: > >>>> That probably won't happen. What will happen is that people will see a >>>> tablet selling for $200 and a desktop going for $600 or more. A lot of >>>> folks will go for the cheaper tablet. It don't take a genius to see >>>> that. Of course there are other reasons why people want to buy tablets. >>> >>> My point being that the "other reasons" carry a lot more weight. If >>> you're looking for a mechanical transport device, would you >>> automatically choose a bicycle rather than a car because of the cost >>> difference? How about a $400 set of cast aluminum cookware vs. a >>> single $20 stamped fry pan? > >> As it goes, a desktop has some major disadvantages. They are big, >> expensive, use a lot of electricity not that intuitive to use or setup, >> and not mobile. OTOH, they do have a really big niffy keyboard! > > You're not up on current configurations. Today's desktops are about > twice the weight of a notebook and use much less power than the old > style. I've seen some desktop computers around. They look a little smaller but I'll have to try lifting one to see how heavy they are. The typical fast CPU these days will use about 125 Watts. You probably want to be using at least a 650W power supply. These computers tend to be heavy because they need a pretty hefty heatsink to keep the processor cool. My guess is that a fast video card is going to be even more power hungry than the CPU and you might want to use an 850W or more power supply. Anyway, a fast computer these days is going to weigh a ton. I have built a computer with an Atom processor that uses a ridiculously low 8.5W or so of power. The heatsink for the Atom looked like a toy. The whole thing fit in a relatively small case. It used a tiny 230W micro-ATX power supply but that failed after a few boots. Boy was that system was slow! Thus ended my dreams of a lightweight, low power, computer system. That's the breaks. > >> I'm not sure how one could compare a bicycle to a car. OTOH, a lot more >> people buy cheap cars than expensive ones. Why would you compare a set >> of cast aluminum cookware to a single pan? That makes no sense. I'll buy >> a good $30 dollar fry pan over a crappy $15 pan any day - no cast >> aluminum for me please! I really like my $24 pan. It's my workhorse pan >> that I use every day. >> >> I really doubt that a $100 fancy schmancy cast pan is going to perform >> better than any of the inexpensive pans that I have anyway. Of course, >> you can use 'em to impress your friends. That's worth something I >> suppose. :-) > > I give up. BTW, do you run any socks here? Maybe one who professes to > be a taxi driver? > Don't give up! Let's just say we have different ideas about things. As it goes people are buying those things for whatever reasons. Perhaps it's not important why. I do not use any other names, aliases, nyms, NDPs, etc. If we have the same taxi driver in mind, I am not him. I'm just a regular conservative kind of guy. Tommy Joe, OTOH, is a man very much on the edge - at least that's the way he presents himself. |
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Sqwertz wrote:
> > And take a look at all the top allergens, all of which are on the > rise. Pretty soon meat will be the only thing that is not allergenic. > If you're plagued with food allergies (and "intolerances"), you can > pretty much kiss being a healthy vegetarian goodbye. > > Meat. The cause of, and the solution to, all of life's problems. I thought I'd never encounter anyone who had a problem with meat other than vegetarians who acclimiate their digistive systems to not eating meat so it gives them indigestion for a week or two if they switch back. Then I finally encountered someone who is pork intolerant. Her symptoms broadly resemble the ones I get from wheat. Indigestion, problems sleeping, triggering cravings, various other details. It makes me wonder if whatever the reason she's pork intolerant might happen commonly in cultures that ban eating pork meat. Pot luck dinner at her place this weekend. Last time we did a corned beef and beans based "call it chilli unless you've lived in Texas". Diced corned beef works pretty well in chilli. Thinking of bringing it again this weekend. With commercial wheat free sesame rice crackers so I can have a starchy addition to my chilli. |
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Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>I thought I'd never encounter anyone who had a problem with meat other >than vegetarians who acclimiate their digistive systems to not eating >meat so it gives them indigestion for a week or two if they switch back. >Then I finally encountered someone who is pork intolerant. Her symptoms >broadly resemble the ones I get from wheat. Indigestion, problems >sleeping, triggering cravings, various other details. It makes me >wonder if whatever the reason she's pork intolerant might happen >commonly in cultures that ban eating pork meat. Yes, in another thread I mentioned that we were "suddenly" required to cook some chicken; this was because one dinner guest was beef and pork intolerant, and did not like lamb. In their case, it was just an ingredient intolearnce, but I do know other persons who consider mammals too intelligent and sentient to slaughter and eat, whereas birds or fishes are okay. Steve |
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George M. Middius wrote:
> Doug Freyburger wrote: > >> Cultured meat is the stuff of science fiction. > > Not true. > > Petri dish to dinner plate, in-vitro meat coming soon > > LONDON | Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:35am EST > > LONDON (Reuters) - Scientists are cooking up new ways of satisfying > the world's ever-growing hunger for meat. > > "Cultured meat" -- burgers or sausages grown in laboratory Petri > dishes rather than made from slaughtered livestock -- could be the > answer that feeds the world, saves the environment and spares the > lives of millions of animals, they say. > > Granted, it may take a while to catch on. And it won't be cheap. > > The first lab-grown hamburger will cost around 250,000 euros > ($345,000) to produce, according to Mark Post, a vascular biologist at > the University of Maastricht in the Netherlands, who hopes to unveil > such a delicacy soon. I remember that article. I remember the price. What if Moore's Law from electronics applies to cultured meat? Price goes down in half every 3 years. Price of ranched meat and cultured meat both track inflation other than that curve. In 30 years the price is $354 per pound. About 50 years from now the price beats ranched meat. About 60 years from now the difference is so large only hobbiests grow animals for meat and the price difference breaks down the cultural objections. I predict I will not live to see the day. I predict that both of my granddaughters will ive to see the day. > Experts say the meat's potential for saving animals' lives, land, > water, energy and the planet itself could be enormous. Depending on the infrastructure needed to produce the animo acids, fatty acids and so on needed by the cultures. > "The first one will be a proof of concept, just to show it's > possible," Post told Reuters in a telephone interview from his > Maastricht lab. "I believe I can do this in the coming year." Possible does not equal economical. Yet. Some day. Some day not soon on a human scale. Some day soon on a historical scale. |
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dsi1 wrote:
> > As it goes, a desktop has some major disadvantages. They are big, > expensive, use a lot of electricity not that intuitive to use or setup, > and not mobile. OTOH, they do have a really big niffy keyboard! I have a dock for my latop. Two. One at the office one at home. We recently turned of fthe desktop at home. > I'm not sure how one could compare a bicycle to a car. Total number of bicycles sold worldwide the last time I checked was still higher than the total number of cars. Might change any year now. > OTOH, a lot more > people buy cheap cars than expensive ones. Why would you compare a set > of cast aluminum cookware to a single pan? That makes no sense. I'll buy > a good $30 dollar fry pan over a crappy $15 pan any day - no cast > aluminum for me please! I really like my $24 pan. It's my workhorse pan > that I use every day. > > I really doubt that a $100 fancy schmancy cast pan is going to perform > better than any of the inexpensive pans that I have anyway. Of course, > you can use 'em to impress your friends. That's worth something I > suppose. :-) For a long time I've recommended that kids starting a household start with a set of cookware. Each year see which one shows the most wear and think about if you want something a bit different than that. Then buy the best single pan you can for that use. Never pay attention to sets again just use one as a starting point. Do frying, get cast iron. Do sauces get an All Clad class sauce pan. Do sauteeing get a high conductance stanless clad aluminim pan. Do roasting get a cheap graniteware roasting pan and also a really nice anodized insert rack. Decide asparagus is your favorite veggie get a tall thin asparagus steamer. One year one item based on what you actually cook. No hurry. Just get one item that will last your life and your kid's lives. Knives same deal. We now have some Henckles, Wustoff, Chicago Cutlery, Cutco, Boker. Unless I chip and snap one of the ceramic blades we might never need another knife in our lives. Which kid should get the entire unmatched collection ... |
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"George M. Middius" wrote:
> > Gary wrote: > > > Hi Dave, I said this last week or so. I have a friend that loves meat but > > he hates the killing of cute little animals. So he's vegetarian just for > > that reason...to not promote the killing of animals. > > Cute little pigs? Cows? Salmon? What the $*&% are you talking about? I do respect all life. So easy for us to snuff out a life as, in the civilized world, we are the top of the food chain. Even killing an annoying insect in the house (and I do it). But did you ever think that you are ending a life? One of God's creatures? Case in point: Yesterday we went upstairs in a house to paint something and there was a wasp sitting on a doorframe. My coworker was ready to kill it immediately as it posed a threat to him. I stopped him. I explained that bees and wasps are basically friendly and they only sting the crap out of you if they feel threatened. As he stepped way back, I put my finger right next to the wasp. My friend thought I was crazy. Well the wasp checked out my finger (probing with his antennae), and he moved away. I put my finger back in front of him and he checked it out again. Eventually, he realized my finger wasn't threat and he climbed onto my finger. Then I slowly took him over to an open window and let him fly away to live another day. Many people might think that's stupid but not me. I was much happier giving him an escape to live on, rather than smashing him and snuffing out a living thing. Pigs and cows, etc. all have distinct personalities too. If you raised them yourself, you might not be so quick to kill them. And remember, this is my veggie friend I'm talking about. I personally love meat and will continue to eat it. Luckily for us, others kill the animals and we just see nice tasty meat in the grocery stores. We are sheltered from the killing part. Gary |
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Doug Freyburger wrote:
> > Knives same deal. We now have some Henckles, Wustoff, Chicago Cutlery, > Cutco, Boker. I have a full set of Chicago Cutlery knives. I've always wondered how they rate compared to others. G. |
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On 6/28/2012 7:45 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> For a long time I've recommended that kids starting a household start > with a set of cookware. Each year see which one shows the most wear and > think about if you want something a bit different than that. Then buy > the best single pan you can for that use. Never pay attention to sets > again just use one as a starting point. Do frying, get cast iron. Do > sauces get an All Clad class sauce pan. Do sauteeing get a high > conductance stanless clad aluminim pan. Do roasting get a cheap > graniteware roasting pan and also a really nice anodized insert rack. > Decide asparagus is your favorite veggie get a tall thin asparagus > steamer. One year one item based on what you actually cook. No hurry. > Just get one item that will last your life and your kid's lives. > > Knives same deal. We now have some Henckles, Wustoff, Chicago Cutlery, > Cutco, Boker. Unless I chip and snap one of the ceramic blades we might > never need another knife in our lives. Which kid should get the entire > unmatched collection ... > I started out with a big wok and a cast iron pan and it was fine. We must have had a sauce pan or rice pot but I don't remember that at all. It's good to have a bunch of different pans but it's also important to learn to adapt and use what you have. These days I have a few more pans but hardly use most of them. My most specialized pan is a large chicken fryer which is the only SS pan I like to use - but only for cooking fried chicken. I'd like to get a pressure cooker but it's hard to find a induction clad construction pan at a reasonable price. |
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Steve Pope wrote:
> > Yes, in another thread I mentioned that we were "suddenly" required > to cook some chicken; this was because one dinner guest was beef and > pork intolerant, and did not like lamb. Beef too? That would be rare. In the sense of unusual. > In their case, it was just an ingredient intolearnce, but I do > know other persons who consider mammals too intelligent and sentient to > slaughter and eat, whereas birds or fishes are okay. I guess they never actually met a cow or crow. Cows are dumb as a sack of rocks. They are bred that way. I have seen a video of a crow or raven making a tool. It bent a wire into a hook to pull up some food. Not really a fair comparison as it's a domesticated animal versus a wild one. I have no idea if I'd hesitate to eat whale meat. To me fish are okay to eat but I think they have a higher and more noble purpose. To die, settle to the bottom and feed the crustaceans there. Love those crabs and lobsters and shrimp and whatever. |
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Gary wrote:
> Doug Freyburger wrote: > >> Knives same deal. We now have some Henckles, Wustoff, Chicago Cutlery, >> Cutco, Boker. > > I have a full set of Chicago Cutlery knives. I've always wondered how they > rate compared to others. Maybe good enough to last your lifetime, maybe not. Not heirlooms. Also I have a wider variety of blades in my block than is made by Chicago Cutlery. I would not be able to assemble such a collection just shopping from Chicago Cutlery. Our most recent knife aquisitions were Cutco. I've wanted Cutco steak knives forever. Finally got a bunch. They rule the dinner table now. I've wanted a couple different sizes of Cutco serrated knives to replace all of our serrated blades (insert story here about how Cutco claims they are not serrated). We ended up getting (maybe trading for) an entire set in order to get two sizes of their serrated blades. So we now have extra Cutco blades. The chefs knife doesn't suck it's just not as nearly nice as the Henckels ones we already had. The paring knife is better than the cheapo ones we'd been uising. The extras may end up in the shelves somewhere but those two I wanted, they now see regular use. They did replace all of our previous serrated blades. Unless we start having a lot of oysters and need a custom oyster blade we might never need a new blade in our lives now. Some different pans, maybe some day. |
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:28:43 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> wrote: > Then I finally encountered someone who is pork intolerant. Her symptoms > broadly resemble the ones I get from wheat. Indigestion, problems > sleeping, triggering cravings, various other details. It makes me > wonder if whatever the reason she's pork intolerant might happen > commonly in cultures that ban eating pork meat. My son got migraines as a kid. It turned out that he was allergic to lamb, which we were eating at least once a week because I had a freezer full of the best cuts from my mother's home grown lambs. I stopped serving lamb once a week and the migraines stopped. I could serve it occasionally with no repercussions, but once a week was just too much for his system to tolerate. -- Food is an important part of a balanced diet. |
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On 28/06/2012 1:34 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
> Doug Freyburger > wrote: > >> I thought I'd never encounter anyone who had a problem with meat other >> than vegetarians who acclimiate their digistive systems to not eating >> meat so it gives them indigestion for a week or two if they switch back. > >> Then I finally encountered someone who is pork intolerant. Her symptoms >> broadly resemble the ones I get from wheat. Indigestion, problems >> sleeping, triggering cravings, various other details. It makes me >> wonder if whatever the reason she's pork intolerant might happen >> commonly in cultures that ban eating pork meat. > > Yes, in another thread I mentioned that we were "suddenly" required > to cook some chicken; this was because one dinner guest was beef and > pork intolerant, and did not like lamb. Intolerant to beef and pork and doesn't like..... sounds like someone who should expect to bring their own food. |
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