On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:09:53 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> wrote:

> Our most recent knife aquisitions were Cutco. I've wanted Cutco steak
> knives forever. Finally got a bunch. They rule the dinner table now.

I googled for images and most of them were serrated. I'll just stick
with my $1 ea serrated knives with real wood handles from at least 3
decades ago because they are the old fashioned deep scallop type of
serration that doesn't rip & tear meat to shreds.

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:54:27 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> wrote:

> Steve Pope wrote:
> >
> > Yes, in another thread I mentioned that we were "suddenly" required
> > to cook some chicken; this was because one dinner guest was beef and
> > pork intolerant, and did not like lamb.
>
> Beef too? That would be rare. In the sense of unusual.

I wouldn't be surprised. I remember that my grandfather always had a
bad stomach which was probably reflux, but he never did anything about
it except get grouchy after dinner. He started giving up meat in his
late 70's because his stomach just couldn't tolerate it and beef was
the first to go... then it was pork and finally lamb, but I think he
was still eating chicken and turkey when he died at age 86.

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

sf wrote:
>
> My son got migraines as a kid. It turned out that he was allergic to
> lamb, which we were eating at least once a week because I had a
> freezer full of the best cuts from my mother's home grown lambs. I
> stopped serving lamb once a week and the migraines stopped. I could
> serve it occasionally with no repercussions, but once a week was just
> too much for his system to tolerate.

Diet can definitely trigger migraines.

Before going low carb in 1999 I used to get several dilitating headaches
per year. I've gotten one since and that was a month it seemed like I
lived on vending machine carb junk and two hours of sleep per day. Now
even with extremely poor adherence to low carb I haven't had another
headache. I don't know if it's because I now avoid some specific
ingredients or if I now stay somewhat lower carb.

My wife gets migraines from aspartame. When she stops. Has to be a
withdrawal symptom for her.

Getting sick from lamb? Lamb's one of the two "the other red meat"
foods. it would suck to have to go lamb free. But as I learned when I
went wheat free, the price of symptoms was a lot higher than the price
of avoidance. If lamb gave me migraines I would go decades without
having any.

sf wrote:
> Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
>> Our most recent knife aquisitions were Cutco. I've wanted Cutco steak
>> knives forever. Finally got a bunch. They rule the dinner table now.
>
> I googled for images and most of them were serrated.

Yep. And they cut through steaks like butter. Just like my Cutco
serrated hunting knife dismantled a freshly killed deer like it was made
of Legos. I haven't been hunting since high school but I remember field
stripping that deer and I've wanted the steak knives with that same type
of blade ever since. Given the 30 year gap, expensive steak knives
were not high on my priority list, but it stayed on the list that long
and finally made it to the top.

Many years ago we'd switched from cheap serrated steak knives to
straight blade ones that look like we'd bought a bunch of paring knives.
Now those are in the drawer languishing. The serrated ones got trashed
long ago.

On 2012-06-25, Cheri > wrote:
> "Roy" > wrote in message

>> from eating it. Until then...fire up the BBQ...before the summer ends.
>
> Yep.

Dbl yep. I tried going vagen this last Winter. More like vague'n!
Not gonna happen. No matter. Mankind is gonna go the way of the
dinosaurs in about 15-20 yrs anyway. Eat drink and be merry while you
can!

nb

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Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
> Diet can definitely trigger migraines.

Bean protein does it for me. About a tablespoon
of tofu is enough to give me a migraine. About
a pound of green beans can do it, too. Soy sauce
and soy oil seem to be safe in any amount.

It wasn't until I was in my mid-40's that I
discovered what caused my sporadic headaches.
I didn't eat tofu that often, so I didn't make
the connection. It was when I was eating Boca
Burgers every day on a strict vegan diet that
I figured it out. I thought I was headed for
a stroke or something, the headaches were so bad.
When I came up with the hypothesis that it was
the burgers, within a day the headaches stopped
completely. Bean protein is the only thing that
gives me migraine headaches.

For anyone with migraines of unknown origin,
I'd suggest a rotation diet, in which you
temporarily stop eating everything you normally
eat, one at a time. Sooner or later, you'll
stop eating the thing that is doing it.

On Jun 28, 10:14*am, George M. Middius > wrote:
> Doug Freyburger wrote:
> > Cultured meat is the stuff of science fiction.
>
> Not true.
>
> Petri dish to dinner plate, in-vitro meat coming soon
>
> LONDON | Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:35am EST
>
> LONDON (Reuters) - Scientists are cooking up new ways of satisfying
> the world's ever-growing hunger for meat.
>
> "Cultured meat" -- burgers or sausages grown in laboratory Petri
> dishes

Burgers and saugages are not meat. There may be some meat in them,
but they are not meat.

On Jun 28, 9:52*am, Gary > wrote:
[snip]
>*I have a friend that loves meat but he hates the
> killing of cute little animals.

I think your friend watched too many Disney cartoons as a kid.

On Jun 29, 5:47*am, Gary > wrote:
[snip]
> I do respect all life. *So easy for us to snuff out a life as, in the
> civilized world, we are the top of the food chain.
>
> Even killing an annoying insect in the house (and I do it). But did you ever
> think that you are ending a life? One of God's creatures?

Firstly, I dont beleive in this god you mention or capitalise, but
that is by-the-by.

Secondly, I do think about the life I am ending. When I line up a
deer through the scope, my plan is a quick and clean kill: I dont want
to make it suffer. (To be selfish, its makes recovery harder, gutting
messier, and taints the meat.) So sure, I think about the life I am
ending. And then I squeeze the trigger and send 150 grains of copper-
jacketed lead hurtling its way at a touch under 3000 feet/second.

On 6/27/2012 7:05 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> I think people will buy faux meat because it will be a cheaper
> alternative. It's the reason that people will buy a tablet rather than a
> desktop computer. They'll see the $200 tablet as a better deal.
>

Oddly enough, Google has introduced their new Nexus 7 tablet today with
a 4-core processor and a 12-core graphics processor. It's gonna be fast.
OS is Google's latest: Android 4.1.

Most remarkable is the price - $199. There's a couple of limitations -
WiFi only, there's no connection to 3 or 4G wireless networks and no
slots for memory cards. OTOH, nether does my iPad. It's expected to be
shipping in a couple of weeks.

For a lot of people it's going to be an offer they can't refuse. That
would include me.

On Jun 27, 6:40*pm, George M. Middius > wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:

> > I really doubt that a $100 fancy schmancy cast pan is going to perform
> > better than any of the inexpensive pans that I have anyway. Of course,
> > you can use 'em to impress your friends. That's worth something I
> > suppose. :-)
>
> I give up. BTW, do you run any socks here? Maybe one who professes to
> be a taxi driver?

"Tommy Joe" is well-known on Usenet. He moderates his tone
substantially here on r.f.c.

On Jun 27, 8:11*pm, (Steve Pope) wrote:
> Sqwertz > wrote:
> >On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:50:56 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:
> >> Eating is largely about nutrition. *If one is vegan and through whatever
> >> combination of cost, convenience, and personal food isues, one faces a
> >> struggle getting up to the required 50 grams/day of protein, TVP based
> >> products are one of the possible solutions to this problem.
> >And take a look at all the top allergens, all of which are on the
> >rise. *Pretty soon meat will be the only thing that is not allergenic.
> >If you're plagued with food allergies (and "intolerances"), you can
> >pretty much kiss being a healthy vegetarian goodbye.
>
> I think a lot of this is fakery by the meat-dominated USDA who
> like to play up soy, wheat, nut, and seafood allergies.
>
> The fact is, a human can develop an allergy to any protein, whether
> vegetable or animal. *It is an evolutionary trade-off that enabled
> us to defend against parasites. *The hand of Darwin and all that.

Dogs are often believed to become allergic to various proteins,
including the proteins to be found in grains. Given that dogs are
likely to be fed the cheapest ingredients, namely chicken and corn,
various elimination diets (one protein source and one carb source)
have hit the market in the past decades: lamb and rice, duck and
potato, even venison and sweet potato. Many owners of nonallergic dogs
have switched to these (including the new vogue of "grain-free")
believing they are better for their dogs in general.

"spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
...
On Jun 27, 6:40 pm, George M. Middius > wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:

> > I really doubt that a $100 fancy schmancy cast pan is going to perform
> > better than any of the inexpensive pans that I have anyway. Of course,
> > you can use 'em to impress your friends. That's worth something I
> > suppose. :-)
>
> I give up. BTW, do you run any socks here? Maybe one who professes to
> be a taxi driver?

"Tommy Joe" is well-known on Usenet. He moderates his tone
substantially here on r.f.c.


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lol, to say the least!

spamtrap1888 wrote:
>
> Dogs are often believed to become allergic to various proteins,
> including the proteins to be found in grains. Given that dogs are
> likely to be fed the cheapest ingredients, namely chicken and corn,
> various elimination diets (one protein source and one carb source)
> have hit the market in the past decades: lamb and rice, duck and
> potato, even venison and sweet potato. Many owners of nonallergic dogs
> have switched to these (including the new vogue of "grain-free")
> believing they are better for their dogs in general.

Humans are evolved omnivores who used to be fruitivores in the "recent
evolutionary past" 5 million years ago. Dogs are evolved omnivores who
used to be much farther towards obligate carnivores in the "recent
evolutionary past" 5 million years ago. Dogs can eat carby foods but
they are more subject to diabetes than humans are. The difference being
if a dog lives to the age of 20 it might end up in the record books so
they have far less time to get diabetes. There are plenty of diabetic
dogs out there as long as you don't compare against the rates in humans
over the age of 20.

Which carb source is better or worse for a dog I can't say. But a lower
carb count and/or better quality meat is going to be beneficial to a
dog. Lamb, duck and venison for the dog? I want that.

misanthropic_curmudgeon wrote:
>
> Burgers and saugages are a combination of nitrates, bread, gristle,
> sinew, snouts, ears, a bit of meat if you are lucky, preservatives,
> salts, offcuts, fat, etc. They are not meat, as such.

As to the bread I take it you're in the UK. Not in the recipe in US
sausages. All those parts you describe are meat. Parts of an animal
cut off the bone. Maybe not the meat you want but you're playing an
exclusion game with the word meat. Stuff that make it not vegitarian.

On Jun 28, 2:54*pm, notbob > wrote:
> On 2012-06-25, Cheri > wrote:
>
> > "Roy" > wrote in message
> >> from eating it. Until then...fire up the BBQ...before the summer ends.
>
> > Yep.
>
> Dbl yep. *I tried going vagen this last Winter. *More like vague'n!
> Not gonna happen. *No matter. *Mankind is gonna go the way of the
> dinosaurs in about 15-20 yrs anyway. *Eat drink and be merry while you
> can! *
>
> nb
>
> --
> vi --the heart of evil!
> Support labeling GMOs
> <http://www.labelgmos.org/>

That's easy for me!

On Jun 29, 2:15*pm, merryb > wrote:
> On Jun 28, 2:54*pm, notbob > wrote:
>
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>
>
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> > On 2012-06-25, Cheri > wrote:
>
> > > "Roy" > wrote in message
> > >> from eating it. Until then...fire up the BBQ...before the summer ends.
>
> > > Yep.
>
> > Dbl yep. *I tried going vagen this last Winter. *More like vague'n!
> > Not gonna happen. *No matter. *Mankind is gonna go the way of the
> > dinosaurs in about 15-20 yrs anyway. *Eat drink and be merry while you
> > can! *
>

> That's easy for me!

no one has to tell merry b. to be merry.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 27/06/2012 1:05 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 6/26/2012 10:51 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It's all gonna end soon? Wouldn't it be better to change our
>>>>> lifestyles
>>>>> than it is to just adopt that attitude and keep on doing the same old
>>>>> things?
>>>
>>>> Fake meat might be so cheap to produce that raising animals will be too
>>>> expensive. That's just my guess.
>>>
>>> I doubt that will happen within 10 years. Maybe 20. And when it does
>>> happen, U.S. consumers will resist it with all their might.
>>>
>>
>> I think people will buy faux meat because it will be a cheaper
>> alternative. It's the reason that people will buy a tablet rather than a
>> desktop computer. They'll see the $200 tablet as a better deal.
>>
>
>
> I don't know why so many vegetarians go for these faux meats. There are
> lots of good vegetarian dishes to provide protein that might otherwise
> come from meat, but if you want something that looks and tastes like a
> hamburger, have a hamburger. If you want something that loos and tests
> like turkey, get a turkey. My vegetarian nephew keeps foisting faux
> products on me.... try it... it tastes just like a hamburger. No. It
> does not taste like hamburger, Hamburger tastes like hamburger.
>
I agree. Why pretend? Enjoy vegetarian meals because they taste
good.

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Jean B.