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On Jun 19, 10:04*am, gtr > wrote:
> On 2012-06-19 15:03:54 +0000, spamtrap1888 said:
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> > On Jun 19, 7:46 am, Nancy2 > wrote:
> >> On Jun 18, 10:34 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:

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> >>> Somebody wrote:

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> >>>> I think it will die out. Is there anyone under 40 that knows what Usenet

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> >>> That's why it will survive. We're an elite club.
> >>> We want the riff-raff to stay out. Facebook is
> >>> good for absorbing most of that ilk.

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> >> I have read expert opinions who think FB is only good for about
> >> another 5 years or so. Then it will die. One can only hope.

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> > Remember myspace? Friendster? Xanga for asian-types?

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> > I miss the days when Facebook was limited to .edu addresses.

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> I assume you mean when usenet ws limited to edu.


1. Usenet was never limited to .edu
2. When Facebook spread outside of Harvard, only people with .edu
addresses could get an account. It was perfect for students wishing to
keep their parents in the dark regarding their private lives, because
few parents could qualify for an account.


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> I think FaceBook will poop out to but it will take awhile. The funny
> thing is that it gets compared so much to usenet, but it is really
> quite different. *The intent at FaceBook is to avoid anonymity, to
> become a single social entity, and to replace social mechanisms of all
> sorts. *And also it seems to have the involved quazi-addictive
> properties of video games. *Video games have shelf life, so I assume
> FaceBook would too.
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> Except that facebook leverages so much social currency or faux social
> currency. *I think it's a wonder, really. *I signed up early,


Apparently not that early.

> found no
> there there, amazingly marrow and limited in its utility. *It's a kind
> of show-and-tell mechanism. *It's evolving of course and taking over
> sectors of human interaction that are dying anyway--like the water
> cooler, backyard or playground chit-chat.
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> It's interesting to watch--at some distance, mind you!


Facebook aggregates and replaces earlier electronic ways to share
information: email, AIM, shutterfly, evite, usenet, web fora, etc.
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On 2012-06-19 21:00:19 +0000, dsi1 said:

> On 6/19/2012 9:18 AM, MotoFox wrote:
>> And it came to pass that dsi1 delivered the following message unto the
>> people, saying~
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>>> Do people still download pirated and cracked programs anymore?

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>> Yeah.
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>> (But not from Usenet.....)
>>

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> I was reading some stuff about Usenet vs peer to peer downloads. The
> main deal was that Usenet is faster but you have to pay for Usenet€¦


No you don't. There are free providers. Eternal-september and
albasani are two of them.

> ...and you might face bandwidth limitations and file retention issues
> and there's not as much selection of illegal and ought to be illegal
> files. Evidently there's still some monkey business going on in Usenet.
> My opinion is that this is a good thing. :-)



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On 2012-06-19 22:25:26 +0000, spamtrap1888 said:

>>> I miss the days when Facebook was limited to .edu addresses.

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>> I assume you mean when usenet ws limited to edu.

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> 1. Usenet was never limited to .edu


I thought it was available via educational systems prior to the
congressional invention of the the internet (i.e. when Al Gore "took
the initiative").

> 2. When Facebook spread outside of Harvard, only people with .edu
> addresses could get an account. It was perfect for students wishing to
> keep their parents in the dark regarding their private lives, because
> few parents could qualify for an account.


I see. News to me.

>> Except that facebook leverages so much social currency or faux social
>> currency. *I think it's a wonder, really. *I signed up early,

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> Apparently not that early.


Time is relative, particularly in microscopic quibbling.

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On 6/19/2012 12:34 PM, gtr wrote:
> On 2012-06-19 21:00:19 +0000, dsi1 said:
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>> On 6/19/2012 9:18 AM, MotoFox wrote:
>>> And it came to pass that dsi1 delivered the following message unto the
>>> people, saying~
>>>
>>>> Do people still download pirated and cracked programs anymore?
>>>
>>> Yeah.
>>>
>>> (But not from Usenet.....)
>>>

>>
>> I was reading some stuff about Usenet vs peer to peer downloads. The
>> main deal was that Usenet is faster but you have to pay for Usenet€¦

>
> No you don't. There are free providers. Eternal-september and albasani
> are two of them.
>
>> ...and you might face bandwidth limitations and file retention issues
>> and there's not as much selection of illegal and ought to be illegal
>> files. Evidently there's still some monkey business going on in
>> Usenet. My opinion is that this is a good thing. :-)

>
>


I use ES myself. I thought they didn't support binaries. I could be
wrong about this since I'm not interested in that aspect.
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Somebody wrote:
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> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Somebody wrote:
> >>
> >> I think it will die out. Is there anyone under 40 that knows what Usenet

> >
> > That's why it will survive. We're an elite club.
> > We want the riff-raff to stay out. Facebook is
> > good for absorbing most of that ilk.

>
> So Usenet is the new Knights Templar? How do you recruit?


It's more like Orthodox Judaism. Nobody wants
to join, and that's fine with us.


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On 6/19/2012 1:09 AM, Somebody wrote:
> I wonder how many AOL disks are in US landfills. It used to be those damn
> things would show up almost everyday in the mail. With their 900 free hours.


I'm a member of my local Freecycle group and I have collected a lot of
those big CD cases to use for other purposes from freecyclers who
collected them and then gave them away. No idea what they did with the
disks. lol I make use of the cases, though.

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On 2012-06-19 22:50:01 +0000, dsi1 said:

> On 6/19/2012 12:34 PM, gtr wrote:
>> On 2012-06-19 21:00:19 +0000, dsi1 said:
>>
>>> On 6/19/2012 9:18 AM, MotoFox wrote:
>>>> And it came to pass that dsi1 delivered the following message unto the
>>>> people, saying~
>>>>
>>>>> Do people still download pirated and cracked programs anymore?
>>>>
>>>> Yeah.
>>>>
>>>> (But not from Usenet.....)
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was reading some stuff about Usenet vs peer to peer downloads. The
>>> main deal was that Usenet is faster but you have to pay for Usenet€¦

>>
>> No you don't. There are free providers. Eternal-september and albasani
>> are two of them.
>>
>>> ...and you might face bandwidth limitations and file retention issues
>>> and there's not as much selection of illegal and ought to be illegal
>>> files. Evidently there's still some monkey business going on in
>>> Usenet. My opinion is that this is a good thing. :-)

>>
>>

>
> I use ES myself. I thought they didn't support binaries. I could be
> wrong about this since I'm not interested in that aspect.


Oops, I missed it if that was the consideration regarding free
access--neither provide binary, I believe.

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On 6/19/2012 5:00 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> I was reading some stuff about Usenet vs peer to peer downloads. The
> main deal was that Usenet is faster but you have to pay for Usenet and
> you might face bandwidth limitations and file retention issues and
> there's not as much selection of illegal and ought to be illegal files.
> Evidently there's still some monkey business going on in Usenet. My
> opinion is that this is a good thing. :-)


Is peer to peer still going on?? Even Megaupload got busted, so why do
people still do it? The company I work for got targeted by #anonymous
because of that. I haven't heard anything lately so either they're
done, they're waiting or they're just being quiet.

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On 6/19/2012 4:17 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 6/19/2012 5:00 PM, dsi1 wrote:
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>> I was reading some stuff about Usenet vs peer to peer downloads. The
>> main deal was that Usenet is faster but you have to pay for Usenet and
>> you might face bandwidth limitations and file retention issues and
>> there's not as much selection of illegal and ought to be illegal files.
>> Evidently there's still some monkey business going on in Usenet. My
>> opinion is that this is a good thing. :-)

>
> Is peer to peer still going on?? Even Megaupload got busted, so why do
> people still do it? The company I work for got targeted by #anonymous
> because of that. I haven't heard anything lately so either they're done,
> they're waiting or they're just being quiet.
>


I believe that Bit Torrent and other peer to peer programs are alive and
well and being used by legit publishers for distributions. I guess that
like a lot of technologies, it's a useful concept that can be used for
good or not-so-good. For a lot of publishers, it's practically their
only option.
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On 2012-06-20 02:32:48 +0000, Sqwertz said:

> On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:26:02 -0700, gtr wrote:
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>> Yes, but usenet has faded in this regard as it is not truly anonymous
>> to federal investigators. Bittorrent has largely replaced it.

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> Usenet is much more anonymous than bittorrent. Paid usenet servers
> purposely don't keep logs of downloads/uploads so there's nothing to
> subpeona.


Though I note that other operations collect and store all that
information: who uploaded what and when.



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"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
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> Somebody wrote:
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>> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
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>> > Somebody wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I think it will die out. Is there anyone under 40 that knows what
>> >> Usenet
>> >
>> > That's why it will survive. We're an elite club.
>> > We want the riff-raff to stay out. Facebook is
>> > good for absorbing most of that ilk.

>>
>> So Usenet is the new Knights Templar? How do you recruit?

>
> It's more like Orthodox Judaism. Nobody wants
> to join, and that's fine with us.



Usenet is more unorthodox.


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On 2012-06-20 08:50:45 +0000, Somebody said:

> Hitler had a brother? Or are you speaking metaphorically?


There's probably millions of metaphoric brothers, but he had a
half-brother too:

He escaped Germany early for Britain. Then immigrated to the US and
lived in either upstate NY or CT, if memory serves. He had three sons.
They were never told until late in their life that they had an uncle
Adolph. I read about it in the NYTimes a couple of years ago.

Just now, I went looking on wiki for this info, but can't seem to find
it. But that's how I remember it best.

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> On 2012-06-20 08:50:45 +0000, Somebody said:
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> > Hitler had a brother? Or are you speaking metaphorically?

>
> There's probably millions of metaphoric brothers, but he had a
> half-brother too:
>
> He escaped Germany early for Britain. Then immigrated to the US and
> lived in either upstate NY or CT, if memory serves. He had three sons.
> They were never told until late in their life that they had an uncle
> Adolph. I read about it in the NYTimes a couple of years ago.
>
> Just now, I went looking on wiki for this info, but can't seem to find
> it. But that's how I remember it best.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Patrick_Hitler
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On 2012-06-20 17:23:20 +0000, Mark Thorson said:

> gtr wrote:
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>> On 2012-06-20 08:50:45 +0000, Somebody said:
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>>> Hitler had a brother? Or are you speaking metaphorically?

>>
>> There's probably millions of metaphoric brothers, but he had a
>> half-brother too:
>>
>> He escaped Germany early for Britain. Then immigrated to the US and
>> lived in either upstate NY or CT, if memory serves. He had three sons.
>> They were never told until late in their life that they had an uncle
>> Adolph. I read about it in the NYTimes a couple of years ago.
>>
>> Just now, I went looking on wiki for this info, but can't seem to find
>> it. But that's how I remember it best.

>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Patrick_Hitler


I got close. It was Long Island, not upstate.

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On 6/20/2012 7:23 AM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> gtr wrote:
>>
>> On 2012-06-20 08:50:45 +0000, Somebody said:
>>
>>> Hitler had a brother? Or are you speaking metaphorically?

>>
>> There's probably millions of metaphoric brothers, but he had a
>> half-brother too:
>>
>> He escaped Germany early for Britain. Then immigrated to the US and
>> lived in either upstate NY or CT, if memory serves. He had three sons.
>> They were never told until late in their life that they had an uncle
>> Adolph. I read about it in the NYTimes a couple of years ago.
>>
>> Just now, I went looking on wiki for this info, but can't seem to find
>> it. But that's how I remember it best.

>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Patrick_Hitler


Jeepers! I love shit like that. Most everybody has an uncle that's an
embarrassment. My uncle was a fun guy and he'd buy me lunch when he saw
me in a restaurant but I'd always cringe when I heard his name in the
news. "What's he done this time?" is what I'd be saying frequently in
those days. OTOH, at least my uncle wasn't Hitler. He died a few years
ago so all I can say these days is "My uncle Slim - God bless him!" :-)



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On 6/20/2012 12:22 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
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>> My point was that it's tough to figure out what my wife thinks about
>> what someone she doesn't know would think.

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> How do you know what your wife thinks about
> when she isn't thinking about what someone
> she doesn't know she thinks?


Exactly! :-)
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> My point was that it's tough to figure out what my wife thinks about
> what someone she doesn't know would think.


How do you know what your wife thinks about
when she isn't thinking about what someone
she doesn't know she thinks?
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