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There *is* a cilantro gene
Thought this was interesting-- Now I'd like to see a comprehensive
study asking about EVOO and some of the other like/dislike quirks we see frequently. http://gizmodo.com/5911387/is-cilantro-hating-genetic The actual study is written up in an 18 page pdf- http://www.flavourjournal.com/conten...4-7248-1-8.pdf Jim |
There *is* a cilantro gene
On Thu, 24 May 2012 09:20:18 -0400, Jim Elbrecht >
wrote: >Thought this was interesting-- Now I'd like to see a comprehensive >study asking about EVOO and some of the other like/dislike quirks we >see frequently. >http://gizmodo.com/5911387/is-cilantro-hating-genetic > >The actual study is written up in an 18 page pdf- >http://www.flavourjournal.com/conten...4-7248-1-8.pdf > >Jim I wanna know if the unavoidably unpleasant bitter flavor I experience in brussels sprouts is genetic. Back in high school biology the teacher passed out little strips of paler impregnated with a chemical that genetically some could taste as bitter and some could not taste at all. And genetically the "tasting" ability occured in a known percentave of people in a population. An in our small sample size (the class) our percentage of tasters was close to the known percentage! I'm firmly convinced that some vegetables contain a similar nasty flavor that only some can taste. For me and some others it's brussels sprouts. For George HW Bush it was brocolli. I cannot taste anything in broccoli that's the least bit unpleasant. Go figure! John Kuthe... |
There *is* a cilantro gene
"Sqwertz" > wrote in message ... > On Thu, 24 May 2012 09:20:18 -0400, Jim Elbrecht wrote: > >> Thought this was interesting-- Now I'd like to see a comprehensive >> study asking about EVOO and some of the other like/dislike quirks we >> see frequently. >> http://gizmodo.com/5911387/is-cilantro-hating-genetic > > I think it tastes like soap, but I eat it. I just think some people > taste it stronger than others. Just like durian - some people taet > and smell ti stronger than others. > > Hardly worth spending billions of dollars on studying and debating. > If everybody liked the same thing all the time we wouldn't have 300 > different sexual positions and life would be boring. I say!!! You have 300 different ...??? Cor blimey! ;o) -- -- http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ |
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On 2012-05-24, John Kuthe > wrote:
> > I wanna know if the unavoidably unpleasant bitter flavor I experience > in brussels sprouts is genetic. It may be you've always eaten older mature brussel sprouts. I discovered a long time ago small "baby" sprouts are nowhere near as bitter, sprouts becoming more bitter as they grow. Try some really small ones. I steam them for about 7-8 mins, top w/ real butter, and sprinkle with a good fresh grated parmesan or pecorino. Yum! nb |
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On 24 May 2012 14:23:32 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>On 2012-05-24, John Kuthe > wrote: >> >> I wanna know if the unavoidably unpleasant bitter flavor I experience >> in brussels sprouts is genetic. > >It may be you've always eaten older mature brussel sprouts. I discovered a >long time ago small "baby" sprouts are nowhere near as bitter, sprouts >becoming more bitter as they grow. Try some really small ones. > >I steam them for about 7-8 mins, top w/ real butter, and sprinkle with a good >fresh grated parmesan or pecorino. Yum! > >nb It's interesting that you describe the flavor as bitter. I like Brussels sprouts and I can't fathom where the idea of bitter comes from. Janet US |
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On May 24, 8:20*am, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
> Thought this was interesting-- * Now I'd like to see a comprehensive > study asking about EVOO and some of the other like/dislike quirks we > see frequently.http://gizmodo.com/5911387/is-cilantro-hating-genetic > > The actual study is written up *in an 18 page pdf-http://www.flavourjournal.com/content/pdf/2044-7248-1-8.pdf I learned a new thing. The main flavor component of cilantro is the same as the dominant ingredient in the secretions of stink bugs: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf950814c http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14584678 > > Jim --Bryan |
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John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 May 2012 09:20:18 -0400, Jim Elbrecht > > wrote: > > >Thought this was interesting-- Now I'd like to see a comprehensive > >study asking about EVOO and some of the other like/dislike quirks we > >see frequently. > >http://gizmodo.com/5911387/is-cilantro-hating-genetic > > > >The actual study is written up in an 18 page pdf- > >http://www.flavourjournal.com/conten...4-7248-1-8.pdf > > > >Jim > > I wanna know if the unavoidably unpleasant bitter flavor I experience > in brussels sprouts is genetic. Back in high school biology the > teacher passed out little strips of paler impregnated with a chemical > that genetically some could taste as bitter and some could not taste > at all. And genetically the "tasting" ability occured in a known > percentave of people in a population. An in our small sample size (the > class) our percentage of tasters was close to the known percentage! > > I'm firmly convinced that some vegetables contain a similar nasty > flavor that only some can taste. For me and some others it's brussels > sprouts. For George HW Bush it was brocolli. I cannot taste anything > in broccoli that's the least bit unpleasant. Go figure! > > John Kuthe... I agree with you, John. I love broccoli. The brussel sprouts are weird though and need to be cooked in a special way to taste good. I haven't found that special way yet. I only eat them when on a diet. Other than that, they would make great large ammo for a Whammo sling shot! ;) Gary |
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John Kuthe wrote:
> I wanna know if the unavoidably unpleasant bitter flavor I experience > in brussels sprouts is genetic. You have to cook them fully, beyond any crunchiness, beyond "tender", and into melt-in-your-mouth softness. |
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On 5/24/2012 11:03 AM, Gary wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote: >> >> On Thu, 24 May 2012 09:20:18 -0400, Jim > >> wrote: >> >>> Thought this was interesting-- Now I'd like to see a comprehensive >>> study asking about EVOO and some of the other like/dislike quirks we >>> see frequently. >>> http://gizmodo.com/5911387/is-cilantro-hating-genetic >>> >>> The actual study is written up in an 18 page pdf- >>> http://www.flavourjournal.com/conten...4-7248-1-8.pdf >>> >>> Jim >> >> I wanna know if the unavoidably unpleasant bitter flavor I experience >> in brussels sprouts is genetic. Back in high school biology the >> teacher passed out little strips of paler impregnated with a chemical >> that genetically some could taste as bitter and some could not taste >> at all. And genetically the "tasting" ability occured in a known >> percentave of people in a population. An in our small sample size (the >> class) our percentage of tasters was close to the known percentage! >> >> I'm firmly convinced that some vegetables contain a similar nasty >> flavor that only some can taste. For me and some others it's brussels >> sprouts. For George HW Bush it was brocolli. I cannot taste anything >> in broccoli that's the least bit unpleasant. Go figure! >> >> John Kuthe... > > I agree with you, John. I love broccoli. The brussel sprouts are weird > though and need to be cooked in a special way to taste good. I haven't > found that special way yet. I only eat them when on a diet. Other than > that, they would make great large ammo for a Whammo sling shot! ;) > I have never liked broccoli "flowers" but I can eat the stems with reasonable enjoyment. To tell the truth, I never liked any Brassica vegetable as a child but that I found was due to them being overcooked. I like both cabbage and Brussels sprouts these days but I still find them bitter if they are cooked too much. I don't really like Minestrone soup if it contains overcooked cabbage. -- Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD) Extraneous "not" in Reply To. |
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 08:36:36 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote: >On 24 May 2012 14:23:32 GMT, notbob > wrote: > >>On 2012-05-24, John Kuthe > wrote: >>> >>> I wanna know if the unavoidably unpleasant bitter flavor I experience >>> in brussels sprouts is genetic. >> >>It may be you've always eaten older mature brussel sprouts. I discovered a >>long time ago small "baby" sprouts are nowhere near as bitter, sprouts >>becoming more bitter as they grow. Try some really small ones. >> >>I steam them for about 7-8 mins, top w/ real butter, and sprinkle with a good >>fresh grated parmesan or pecorino. Yum! >> >>nb >It's interesting that you describe the flavor as bitter. I like >Brussels sprouts and I can't fathom where the idea of bitter comes >from. >Janet US This is exactly what I mean. People that cannot taste it cannot fathom what I'm talking about, just as I cannot fathom what George HW Bush fids distasteful about broccoli. My father, sister and one unrelated friend I can think of also share my complete distaste for brussels sprouts. And my sister once thought well maybe if we get very young fresh brussels sprouts they will be good. So we did for one Thansgiving and they werre still nasty! John Kuthe... |
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 07:53:57 -0700 (PDT), Bryan
> wrote: >On May 24, 8:20*am, Jim Elbrecht > wrote: >> Thought this was interesting-- * Now I'd like to see a comprehensive >> study asking about EVOO and some of the other like/dislike quirks we >> see frequently.http://gizmodo.com/5911387/is-cilantro-hating-genetic >> >> The actual study is written up *in an 18 page pdf-http://www.flavourjournal.com/content/pdf/2044-7248-1-8.pdf > >I learned a new thing. The main flavor component of cilantro is the >same as the dominant ingredient in the secretions of stink bugs: >http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf950814c >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14584678 >> >> Jim > >--Bryan BUT Bryan!! Does this mean that this same compound secreted by stink bugs that is the "main flavor component of cilantro" is the same exact compound which make stink bugs stink, which I'm sure is your inference knowing your distaste for cilantro! Or could it be that the stink of stink bugs is due to an entirely unrelated to cilantro compound? Aha!! John Kuthe... |
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the only other one i know about is asparagus, for those of us with food
sensitivities, these things are well known ancedotally, Lee "Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message ... > Thought this was interesting-- Now I'd like to see a comprehensive > study asking about EVOO and some of the other like/dislike quirks we > see frequently. > http://gizmodo.com/5911387/is-cilantro-hating-genetic > > The actual study is written up in an 18 page pdf- > http://www.flavourjournal.com/conten...4-7248-1-8.pdf > > Jim |
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On May 24, 8:51*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2012 09:20:18 -0400, Jim Elbrecht > > wrote: > > >Thought this was interesting-- * Now I'd like to see a comprehensive > >study asking about EVOO and some of the other like/dislike quirks we > >see frequently. > >http://gizmodo.com/5911387/is-cilantro-hating-genetic > > >The actual study is written up *in an 18 page pdf- > >http://www.flavourjournal.com/conten...4-7248-1-8.pdf > > >Jim > > I wanna know if the unavoidably unpleasant bitter flavor I experience > in brussels sprouts is genetic. That's a common theory. See: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/ch...the-genes.html for example. I'm the same way. They're intolerably bitter to me, regardless of how properly they're cooked. |
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"Sqwertz" > wrote in message ... > On Thu, 24 May 2012 09:20:18 -0400, Jim Elbrecht wrote: > >> Thought this was interesting-- Now I'd like to see a comprehensive >> study asking about EVOO and some of the other like/dislike quirks we >> see frequently. >> http://gizmodo.com/5911387/is-cilantro-hating-genetic > > I think it tastes like soap, but I eat it. I just think some people > taste it stronger than others. Just like durian - some people taet > and smell ti stronger than others. > > Hardly worth spending billions of dollars on studying and debating. > If everybody liked the same thing all the time we wouldn't have 300 > different sexual positions and life would be boring. The odd thing is, I only ever got the soap taste once. It was with some I had grown and it had gone to seed. If I eat it in a restaurant or buy it at the store, it tastes fine. |
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 13:36:38 -0700 (PDT), Ernest Dotson
> wrote: >On May 24, 8:51*am, John Kuthe > wrote: >> On Thu, 24 May 2012 09:20:18 -0400, Jim Elbrecht > >> wrote: >> >> >Thought this was interesting-- * Now I'd like to see a comprehensive >> >study asking about EVOO and some of the other like/dislike quirks we >> >see frequently. >> >http://gizmodo.com/5911387/is-cilantro-hating-genetic >> >> >The actual study is written up *in an 18 page pdf- >> >http://www.flavourjournal.com/conten...4-7248-1-8.pdf >> >> >Jim >> >> I wanna know if the unavoidably unpleasant bitter flavor I experience >> in brussels sprouts is genetic. > >That's a common theory. See: > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/ch...the-genes.html > >for example. I'm the same way. They're intolerably bitter to me, >regardless of how properly they're cooked. THANK YOU!! Yes, that is what I'm thinking. John Kuthe... |
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"John Kuthe" > wrote in message ... > On Thu, 24 May 2012 13:36:38 -0700 (PDT), Ernest Dotson > > wrote: > >>On May 24, 8:51 am, John Kuthe > wrote: >>> On Thu, 24 May 2012 09:20:18 -0400, Jim Elbrecht > >>> wrote: >>> >>> >Thought this was interesting-- Now I'd like to see a comprehensive >>> >study asking about EVOO and some of the other like/dislike quirks we >>> >see frequently. >>> >http://gizmodo.com/5911387/is-cilantro-hating-genetic >>> >>> >The actual study is written up in an 18 page pdf- >>> >http://www.flavourjournal.com/conten...4-7248-1-8.pdf >>> >>> >Jim >>> >>> I wanna know if the unavoidably unpleasant bitter flavor I experience >>> in brussels sprouts is genetic. >> >>That's a common theory. See: >> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/ch...the-genes.html >> >>for example. I'm the same way. They're intolerably bitter to me, >>regardless of how properly they're cooked. > > THANK YOU!! > > Yes, that is what I'm thinking. To me, Brussels Sprouts, Broccoli (cooked) and Asparagus all taste vile. I don't necessarily think they are bitter. Just so bad that I have to spit them out. |
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 13:36:38 -0700 (PDT) in rec.food.cooking, Ernest
Dotson > wrote, > >That's a common theory. See: > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/ch...the-genes.html > >for example. I'm the same way. They're intolerably bitter to me, >regardless of how properly they're cooked. I have always liked Brussels sprouts, even as a kid. No bitterness, although they do have a unique flavor I don't recognize in anything else. I'm voting for genetic. |
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On 5/24/2012 3:20 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> Thought this was interesting-- Now I'd like to see a comprehensive > study asking about EVOO and some of the other like/dislike quirks we > see frequently. > http://gizmodo.com/5911387/is-cilantro-hating-genetic > > The actual study is written up in an 18 page pdf- > http://www.flavourjournal.com/conten...4-7248-1-8.pdf > > Jim I find cilantro unpleasant most times but one can acquire a taste for it. I had some in a bowl of turkey jook the other day and it was good. My guess is that there is a similar genetic predisposition with olive oil - that stuff tastes like varnish to me. |
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On 5/24/2012 5:16 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote: > >> I wanna know if the unavoidably unpleasant bitter flavor I experience >> in brussels sprouts is genetic. > > You have to cook them fully, beyond any crunchiness, beyond "tender", > and into melt-in-your-mouth softness. > A lot of people don't like their sprouts overcooked like that. It doesn't matter much to me - I find them nasty however way you cook it. :-) |
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On 24/05/2012 7:32 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > I find cilantro unpleasant most times but one can acquire a taste for > it. I had some in a bowl of turkey jook the other day and it was good. > My guess is that there is a similar genetic predisposition with olive > oil - that stuff tastes like varnish to me. I always liked cilantro. My wife used to hate it. She came around. She started eating it somewhat grudgingly and now really enjoys it. I frequently cook Thai curried chicken with coconut milk. She used to like the curry but always wanted me to cut back on the cilantro. Over the years it has become one of her favourite dishes and if she does the shopping she usually picks up cilantro with the hope that I will make it for her, and use lots of cilantro. |
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On 24/05/2012 7:43 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/24/2012 5:16 AM, George M. Middius wrote: >> John Kuthe wrote: >> >>> I wanna know if the unavoidably unpleasant bitter flavor I experience >>> in brussels sprouts is genetic. >> >> You have to cook them fully, beyond any crunchiness, beyond "tender", >> and into melt-in-your-mouth softness. >> > > A lot of people don't like their sprouts overcooked like that. It > doesn't matter much to me - I find them nasty however way you cook it. :-) Hell, it is the cooking them until they are tender that brings out the nasty flavour. If cooked only until they are still slightly crunchy they are delicious. Spinach is the same way. Steamed briefly it is quite good, but if boiled too long it develops a nasty taste. |
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On 5/24/2012 1:46 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 24/05/2012 7:32 PM, dsi1 wrote: > >> >> I find cilantro unpleasant most times but one can acquire a taste for >> it. I had some in a bowl of turkey jook the other day and it was good. >> My guess is that there is a similar genetic predisposition with olive >> oil - that stuff tastes like varnish to me. > > > I always liked cilantro. My wife used to hate it. She came around. She > started eating it somewhat grudgingly and now really enjoys it. I > frequently cook Thai curried chicken with coconut milk. She used to like > the curry but always wanted me to cut back on the cilantro. Over the > years it has become one of her favourite dishes and if she does the > shopping she usually picks up cilantro with the hope that I will make it > for her, and use lots of cilantro. > Cilantro redemption! It's a nice story. :-) |
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On 5/24/2012 1:48 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 24/05/2012 7:43 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> On 5/24/2012 5:16 AM, George M. Middius wrote: >>> John Kuthe wrote: >>> >>>> I wanna know if the unavoidably unpleasant bitter flavor I experience >>>> in brussels sprouts is genetic. >>> >>> You have to cook them fully, beyond any crunchiness, beyond "tender", >>> and into melt-in-your-mouth softness. >>> >> >> A lot of people don't like their sprouts overcooked like that. It >> doesn't matter much to me - I find them nasty however way you cook it. >> :-) > > > Hell, it is the cooking them until they are tender that brings out the > nasty flavour. If cooked only until they are still slightly crunchy they > are delicious. Spinach is the same way. Steamed briefly it is quite > good, but if boiled too long it develops a nasty taste. Yeah, my wife bitches to me if I overcook the broccoli. Next time she's gonna get it raw. I'm gonna do a pork butt cooked in the oven. My plan is to wrap the roast in taro leaves and then roast it in a 300 degree oven for 4 hours or so. I have no idea if taro leaves can be cooked for so long. Maybe I just make squid luau! http://tastyislandhawaii.com/2010/02...-kanak-attack/ |
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the amount makes the difference to me, and its a very slim line, there is a
resto we eat at that makes the best salsa, when the owner makes it fine, when others do, soap, Lee "Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > > "Sqwertz" > wrote in message > ... >> On Thu, 24 May 2012 09:20:18 -0400, Jim Elbrecht wrote: >> >>> Thought this was interesting-- Now I'd like to see a comprehensive >>> study asking about EVOO and some of the other like/dislike quirks we >>> see frequently. >>> http://gizmodo.com/5911387/is-cilantro-hating-genetic >> >> I think it tastes like soap, but I eat it. I just think some people >> taste it stronger than others. Just like durian - some people taet >> and smell ti stronger than others. >> >> Hardly worth spending billions of dollars on studying and debating. >> If everybody liked the same thing all the time we wouldn't have 300 >> different sexual positions and life would be boring. > > The odd thing is, I only ever got the soap taste once. It was with some I > had grown and it had gone to seed. If I eat it in a restaurant or buy it > at the store, it tastes fine. > |
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Bryan > wrote:
> On May 24, 8:20 am, Jim Elbrecht > wrote: >> Thought this was interesting-- Now I'd like to see a comprehensive >> study asking about EVOO and some of the other like/dislike quirks we >> see frequently.http://gizmodo.com/5911387/is-cilantro-hating-genetic >> >> The actual study is written up in an 18 page >> pdf-http://www.flavourjournal.com/content/pdf/2044-7248-1-8.pdf > > I learned a new thing. The main flavor component of cilantro is the > same as the dominant ingredient in the secretions of stink bugs: > http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf950814c > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14584678 >> >> Jim > > --Bryan Oh thanks. Greg |
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John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2012 07:53:57 -0700 (PDT), Bryan > > wrote: > >> On May 24, 8:20 am, Jim Elbrecht > wrote: >>> Thought this was interesting-- Now I'd like to see a comprehensive >>> study asking about EVOO and some of the other like/dislike quirks we >>> see frequently.http://gizmodo.com/5911387/is-cilantro-hating-genetic >>> >>> The actual study is written up in an 18 page >>> pdf-http://www.flavourjournal.com/content/pdf/2044-7248-1-8.pdf >> >> I learned a new thing. The main flavor component of cilantro is the >> same as the dominant ingredient in the secretions of stink bugs: >> http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf950814c >> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14584678 >>> >>> Jim >> >> --Bryan > > BUT Bryan!! Does this mean that this same compound secreted by stink > bugs that is the "main flavor component of cilantro" is the same exact > compound which make stink bugs stink, which I'm sure is your inference > knowing your distaste for cilantro! Or could it be that the stink of > stink bugs is due to an entirely unrelated to cilantro compound? > > Aha!! > > John Kuthe... I just smelled some. I think it might be a component, but certainly not a dominant one. Greg |
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"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message ... > On 24 May 2012 14:23:32 GMT, notbob > wrote: > >>On 2012-05-24, John Kuthe > wrote: >>> >>> I wanna know if the unavoidably unpleasant bitter flavor I experience >>> in brussels sprouts is genetic. >> >>It may be you've always eaten older mature brussel sprouts. I discovered >>a >>long time ago small "baby" sprouts are nowhere near as bitter, sprouts >>becoming more bitter as they grow. Try some really small ones. >> >>I steam them for about 7-8 mins, top w/ real butter, and sprinkle with a >>good >>fresh grated parmesan or pecorino. Yum! >> >>nb > It's interesting that you describe the flavor as bitter. I like > Brussels sprouts and I can't fathom where the idea of bitter comes > from. > Janet US I love Brussels sprouts, but nb is correct. If the sprouts are too old sometimes the bitterness is obvious. They inherently have an underlying bitterness which occurs naturally, according to this article: http://articles.economictimes.indiat...prouts-cabbage Blame it on glucosinolates ;) Or blame it on the way they're cooked. If you boil brussels sprouts to death they aren't going to taste good no matter what you do. Steamed, like nb suggests makes all the difference. And buy them in season! Don't expect wonderful Brussels sprouts in July. Jill |
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On 25/05/2012 11:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> I love Brussels sprouts, but nb is correct. If the sprouts are too old > sometimes the bitterness is obvious. They inherently have an underlying > bitterness which occurs naturally, according to this article: > > http://articles.economictimes.indiat...prouts-cabbage > > > Blame it on glucosinolates ;) Or blame it on the way they're cooked. If > you boil brussels sprouts to death they aren't going to taste good no > matter what you do. Steamed, like nb suggests makes all the difference. > And buy them in season! Don't expect wonderful Brussels sprouts in July. > I started to like Brussels Sprouts when I learned to eat them slightly crunchy. I haven't really noticed a difference between the smaller and larger sprouts, but they are better when fresher. I buy frozen sprouts in the off season. They are surprisingly good. |
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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message . .. > On 25/05/2012 11:58 AM, jmcquown wrote: > >> I love Brussels sprouts, but nb is correct. If the sprouts are too old >> sometimes the bitterness is obvious. They inherently have an underlying >> bitterness which occurs naturally, according to this article: >> >> http://articles.economictimes.indiat...prouts-cabbage >> >> >> Blame it on glucosinolates ;) Or blame it on the way they're cooked. If >> you boil brussels sprouts to death they aren't going to taste good no >> matter what you do. Steamed, like nb suggests makes all the difference. >> And buy them in season! Don't expect wonderful Brussels sprouts in July. >> > > I started to like Brussels Sprouts when I learned to eat them slightly > crunchy. I haven't really noticed a difference between the smaller and > larger sprouts, but they are better when fresher. I buy frozen sprouts in > the off season. They are surprisingly good. > All the things people don't like! I've got frozen brussels sprouts. I've got frozen fordhook lima beans. Some people hate both :) I'm supposed to be the picky eater in the family. I like most vegetables so long as they're cooked, but not cooked to death. Having said that, I don't like "crisp" vegetables. I cook brussels sprouts until fork tender. That's how I know they're done :) Jill |
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On 5/25/2012 2:42 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > "Dave Smith" > wrote in message > . .. >> On 25/05/2012 11:58 AM, jmcquown wrote: >> >>> I love Brussels sprouts, but nb is correct. If the sprouts are too old >>> sometimes the bitterness is obvious. They inherently have an underlying >>> bitterness which occurs naturally, according to this article: >>> >>> http://articles.economictimes.indiat...prouts-cabbage >>> >>> >>> >>> Blame it on glucosinolates ;) Or blame it on the way they're cooked. If >>> you boil brussels sprouts to death they aren't going to taste good no >>> matter what you do. Steamed, like nb suggests makes all the difference. >>> And buy them in season! Don't expect wonderful Brussels sprouts in July. >>> >> >> I started to like Brussels Sprouts when I learned to eat them slightly >> crunchy. I haven't really noticed a difference between the smaller and >> larger sprouts, but they are better when fresher. I buy frozen sprouts >> in the off season. They are surprisingly good. >> > > All the things people don't like! I've got frozen brussels sprouts. I've > got frozen fordhook lima beans. Some people hate both :) I'm supposed to > be the picky eater in the family. I like most vegetables so long as > they're cooked, but not cooked to death. Having said that, I don't like > "crisp" vegetables. I cook brussels sprouts until fork tender. That's > how I know they're done :) > > Jill Even fresh Brussels sprouts are better after a slight frosting tho I don't eat frozen ones. You may see them displayed on crushed ice in supermarkets. -- Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD) Extraneous "not" in Reply To. |
Brussels Sprouts (WAS: There *is* a cilantro gene)
On Fri, 25 May 2012 15:28:59 -0400, James Silverton
> wrote: >On 5/25/2012 2:42 PM, jmcquown wrote: >> >> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message >> . .. >>> On 25/05/2012 11:58 AM, jmcquown wrote: >>> >>>> I love Brussels sprouts, but nb is correct. If the sprouts are too old >>>> sometimes the bitterness is obvious. They inherently have an underlying >>>> bitterness which occurs naturally, according to this article: >>>> >>>> http://articles.economictimes.indiat...prouts-cabbage >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Blame it on glucosinolates ;) Or blame it on the way they're cooked. If >>>> you boil brussels sprouts to death they aren't going to taste good no >>>> matter what you do. Steamed, like nb suggests makes all the difference. >>>> And buy them in season! Don't expect wonderful Brussels sprouts in July. >>>> >>> >>> I started to like Brussels Sprouts when I learned to eat them slightly >>> crunchy. I haven't really noticed a difference between the smaller and >>> larger sprouts, but they are better when fresher. I buy frozen sprouts >>> in the off season. They are surprisingly good. >>> >> >> All the things people don't like! I've got frozen brussels sprouts. I've >> got frozen fordhook lima beans. Some people hate both :) I'm supposed to >> be the picky eater in the family. I like most vegetables so long as >> they're cooked, but not cooked to death. Having said that, I don't like >> "crisp" vegetables. I cook brussels sprouts until fork tender. That's >> how I know they're done :) >> >> Jill > >Even fresh Brussels sprouts are better after a slight frosting tho I >don't eat frozen ones. You may see them displayed on crushed ice in >supermarkets. Stupidmarket sprouts are not very good quality. The best sprouts are those I would buy on Lung Guyland, freshly harvested still on the stalk... because of cooler weather they are better quality than CA crops. http://www.facebook.com/note.php?not...50342016910670 http://gardening.about.com/od/vegeta...els_Sprout.htm |
Brussels Sprouts (WAS: There *is* a cilantro gene)
On 25/05/2012 2:42 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> >> I started to like Brussels Sprouts when I learned to eat them slightly >> crunchy. I haven't really noticed a difference between the smaller and >> larger sprouts, but they are better when fresher. I buy frozen sprouts >> in the off season. They are surprisingly good. >> > > All the things people don't like! I've got frozen brussels sprouts. I've > got frozen fordhook lima beans. Some people hate both :) I'm supposed to > be the picky eater in the family. I like most vegetables so long as > they're cooked, but not cooked to death. Having said that, I don't like > "crisp" vegetables. I cook brussels sprouts until fork tender. That's > how I know they're done :) I am not saying they have to be raw, but there should be a slight resistance. The difference in flavour is amazing. |
There *is* a cilantro gene
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Dave Smith > wrote: > On 24/05/2012 7:43 PM, dsi1 wrote: > > On 5/24/2012 5:16 AM, George M. Middius wrote: > >> John Kuthe wrote: > >> > >>> I wanna know if the unavoidably unpleasant bitter flavor I experience > >>> in brussels sprouts is genetic. > >> > >> You have to cook them fully, beyond any crunchiness, beyond "tender", > >> and into melt-in-your-mouth softness. > >> > > > > A lot of people don't like their sprouts overcooked like that. It > > doesn't matter much to me - I find them nasty however way you cook it. :-) > > > Hell, it is the cooking them until they are tender that brings out the > nasty flavour. If cooked only until they are still slightly crunchy they > are delicious. Spinach is the same way. Steamed briefly it is quite > good, but if boiled too long it develops a nasty taste. Moral of story: DON'T boil brussels sprouts. We roast them. Cindy -- C.J. Fuller Delete the obvious to email me |
Brussels Sprouts (WAS: There *is* a cilantro gene)
jmcquown wrote:
> > "Dave Smith" > wrote in message > . .. >> On 25/05/2012 11:58 AM, jmcquown wrote: >> >>> I love Brussels sprouts, but nb is correct. If the sprouts are too old >>> sometimes the bitterness is obvious. They inherently have an underlying >>> bitterness which occurs naturally, according to this article: >>> >>> http://articles.economictimes.indiat...prouts-cabbage >>> >>> >>> >>> Blame it on glucosinolates ;) Or blame it on the way they're cooked. If >>> you boil brussels sprouts to death they aren't going to taste good no >>> matter what you do. Steamed, like nb suggests makes all the difference. >>> And buy them in season! Don't expect wonderful Brussels sprouts in >>> July. >>> >> >> I started to like Brussels Sprouts when I learned to eat them >> slightly crunchy. I haven't really noticed a difference between the >> smaller and larger sprouts, but they are better when fresher. I buy >> frozen sprouts in the off season. They are surprisingly good. >> > > All the things people don't like! I've got frozen brussels sprouts. > I've got frozen fordhook lima beans. Some people hate both :) I'm > supposed to be the picky eater in the family. I like most vegetables > so long as they're cooked, but not cooked to death. Having said that, > I don't like "crisp" vegetables. I cook brussels sprouts until fork > tender. That's how I know they're done :) > > Jill The post was not all about you. Your "I've", "I'm" and "I" sentences prove you are a narcissist. Carry on... Earl |
Brussels Sprouts (WAS: There *is* a cilantro gene)
"Dave Smith" > wrote in message ... > On 25/05/2012 2:42 PM, jmcquown wrote: >> >>> I started to like Brussels Sprouts when I learned to eat them slightly >>> crunchy. I haven't really noticed a difference between the smaller and >>> larger sprouts, but they are better when fresher. I buy frozen sprouts >>> in the off season. They are surprisingly good. >>> >> >> All the things people don't like! I've got frozen brussels sprouts. I've >> got frozen fordhook lima beans. Some people hate both :) I'm supposed to >> be the picky eater in the family. I like most vegetables so long as >> they're cooked, but not cooked to death. Having said that, I don't like >> "crisp" vegetables. I cook brussels sprouts until fork tender. That's >> how I know they're done :) > > > I am not saying they have to be raw, but there should be a slight > resistance. The difference in flavour is amazing. Not to me. Granted I don't want vegetables cooked to death to the point of mushy. I don't want them crisp, either. That drives me crazy. I really dislike raw vegetables so "tender crisp" is, IMHO, just about the same thing. I'm not trying to impose my tastes on others. We can all agree we either like brussels sprouts or not, regardless of how they're cooked :) Jill |
Brussels Sprouts (WAS: There *is* a cilantro gene)
On 27/05/2012 1:48 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> I am not saying they have to be raw, but there should be a slight >> resistance. The difference in flavour is amazing. > > Not to me. Granted I don't want vegetables cooked to death to the point > of mushy. I don't want them crisp, either. That drives me crazy. I > really dislike raw vegetables so "tender crisp" is, IMHO, just about the > same thing. I'm not trying to impose my tastes on others. We can all > agree we either like brussels sprouts or not, regardless of how they're > cooked :) > > I don't think that I can agree with that. Brussels Sprouts are something that I started to like after having them cooked just enough so there is still just a slight crunch inside. Spinach is similar in that way. When just barely steamed it is pretty good. When thoroughly cooked it develops a nasty taste. Broccoli is one of my favourite vegetables, but when cooked until it is no longer firm it takes on a funky taste. Then there is parsnip. I hated them for years. A couple years ago we tried them roasted and I liked them. The more well roasted they are, the better they taste. After enjoying them roasted for a while I got brave and tried them boiled. They were just as bad as I remembered. Cooking method does affect whether or not we like some things. |
There *is* a cilantro gene
Janet US wrote: >It's interesting that you describe the > flavor as bitter. I like Brussels sprouts > and I can't fathom where the idea of > bitter comes from. Brussel Sprouts have always had a bitter taste to me too, but yet my hubby and two of our children love them. I've tried them fixed different ways to camouflage the flavor, but nothing helps. It's my least favorite of all veggies, even though I love cabbage, and they are of the cabbage family. Another veggie I can't eat by itself, is green beans, but like them in some casseroles, that contain other ingredients. I LOVE cilantro, and the more the better. I even love the smell of it, when I pass by it in the produce section of the grocery store. Judy |
Brussels Sprouts (WAS: There *is* a cilantro gene)
On 27/05/2012 5:34 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 27 May 2012 16:31:35 -0400, Dave Smith >>> http://www.food.com/recipe/julia-chi...arsnips-108040 >> >> Thanks, but I have to wonder if it is going to have that nasty taste of >> boiled parsnips. I cannot stomach boiled parsnips but I really like >> them when they are roasted. > > No, after the second cooking, it takes on a very un-parsnip type > flavour. We all like them roasted, or cooked this way. In that case.... I may give them a try. |
There *is* a cilantro gene
On 27/05/2012 5:53 PM, Judy Haffner wrote:
> > Brussel Sprouts have always had a bitter taste to me too, I think it is the overcooking that brings out that nasty flavour. I never liked them until I had them "underdone" and now I like them. but yet my > hubby and two of our children love them. I've tried them fixed different > ways to camouflage the flavor, but nothing helps. It's my least favorite > of all veggies, even though I love cabbage, and they are of the cabbage > family. Another veggie I can't eat by itself, is green beans, but like > them in some casseroles, that contain other ingredients. Try them fresh from the garden. I rarely buy and cook green beans because I was spoiled as a kid. My father always had a small vegetable garden and he planted lots of green beans. We used to be sent out to pick them while my mother was preparing dinner. The fresh picked beans would go into a pot and cooked within minutes of picking. They were great. Store bought beans are generally disappointing, but I still have that nice association of good, garden fresh beans. > I LOVE cilantro, and the more the better. I even love the smell of it, > when I pass by it in the produce section of the grocery store. As much as I like cilantro, I think it can be overdone. It is one of those things that is lost n a dish if there is not enough, but when you have the right amount the dish is incredible. |
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