On Tue, 15 May 2012 11:51:58 -0500, George Leppla
> wrote:

>On 5/15/2012 11:31 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 May 2012 10:21:29 -0500, George Leppla
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Sheldon... we are also thinking of putting in a gas-powered emergency
>>> generator some time down the road. The folks across the street have one
>>> and it is great. Power goes off, generator comes on. Minimal yearly
>>> maintenance.
>>
>> So you're thinking of a whole house generator? My brother has a
>> generator, but it's mobile and he uses it to do other things around
>> the property when the power is on. The power here is so stable that
>> the only time we needed a generator is during a disaster and they had
>> the power back on so quickly, it was amazing. Telephone service took
>> longer to come back than the power did.
>>
>
>A few years ago after a hurricane, power was out in this area for a few
>days. This area is just outside of the hurricane evacuation zone....
>about 60 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. We are thinking of getting
>something like this:
>
>http://www.apelectric.com/5871-Gener...0kW-p/5871.htm

They very likely have it shipped directly from Amazon, that's what a
couple of electritians here were going to do, then charge an inflated
price for installation.

>We have had a few outages in the 4 months since we moved here. One
>lasted 8 hours.

8 hours is really no big inconvenience, I lived through many power
outages from hurricanes on Lung Guyland... light your gas grill and
fress.

On Tue, 15 May 2012 10:08:31 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> wrote:

>On May 15, 9:51*am, George Leppla > wrote:
>> On 5/15/2012 11:31 AM, sf wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 15 May 2012 10:21:29 -0500, George Leppla
>> > > *wrote:
>>
>> >> Sheldon... we are also thinking of putting in a gas-powered emergency
>> >> generator some time down the road. *The folks across the street have one
>> >> and it is great. *Power goes off, generator comes on. *Minimal yearly
>> >> maintenance.
>>
>> > So you're thinking of a whole house generator? *My brother has a
>> > generator, but it's mobile and he uses it to do other things around
>> > the property when the power is on. *The power here is so stable that
>> > the only time we needed a generator is during a disaster and they had
>> > the power back on so quickly, it was amazing. *Telephone service took
>> > longer to come back than the power did.
>>
>> A few years ago after a hurricane, power was out in this area for a few
>> days. *This area is just outside of the hurricane evacuation zone....
>> about 60 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. *We are thinking of getting
>> something like this:
>>
>> http://www.apelectric.com/5871-Gener...or-10kW-p/5871...
>>
>> We have had a few outages in the 4 months since we moved here. *One
>> lasted 8 hours.
>>
>
>Will the dealer do the install? At least get a licensed electrician to
>set up the transfer switch.
>
>10kW won't run your whole house, so identify the most critical
>circuits.

Right, you'd need at least a 20KW unit to run an average sized house,
especially if you need central A/C.

On Tue, 15 May 2012 12:47:25 -0500, George Leppla
> wrote:

>On 5/15/2012 12:08 PM, spamtrap1888 wrote:
>
>>> A few years ago after a hurricane, power was out in this area for a few
>>> days. This area is just outside of the hurricane evacuation zone....
>>> about 60 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. We are thinking of getting
>>> something like this:
>>>
>>> http://www.apelectric.com/5871-Gener...or-10kW-p/5871...
>>>
>>> We have had a few outages in the 4 months since we moved here. One
>>> lasted 8 hours.
>>>
>>
>> Will the dealer do the install? At least get a licensed electrician to
>> set up the transfer switch.
>>
>> 10kW won't run your whole house, so identify the most critical
>> circuits.
>
>
>I am pretty handy and like to do a lot of repairs, etc myself, but I am
>not an electrician so I leave that stuff to people who know what they
>are doing. I need enough juice to keep the refrigerator and freezer
>running, plus some lights and computers. I'm not worried about air
>conditioning or heat (we have gas heaters and a gas hot water heater).
>
>When the time comes I might spring for a bigger unit depending on how
>the funds are, but as long as the basics are covered, I'm OK with
>partial power.
>
>George L

The 20KW unit is not much more expensive and installation will cost
about the same... don't even think about buying the larger unit later.

On Tue, 15 May 2012 09:37:01 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

>
> If you go to a fine steak house you will find that they cook on gas
> grills and gas broilers. They don't cook on charcoal.

The places where I eat fired meat use lump charcoal - probably
mesquite. I know what they use because the grill is outside and I
usually get a seat right in front of it, so I watch my food being
cooked. I don't have a huge problem with a gas grill other than I
never know how much gas there is and I don't like that uncertainty.
If I had a better indoor/outdoor situation, I'd have one of both and
I'd use gas for chicken and charcoal for steak.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 15/05/2012 11:38 AM, George Leppla wrote:
>
>
> You know what would be neat.... a taste test. Set up a gas grill and a
> charcoal grill. Cook something that is uniform... like hamburgers, and
> have a blind taste test to see how many people can tell the difference.
>
> I'm betting not many could.

I think that most would know the charcoal cooked stuff.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> There are reasons for not allowing grilling on balconies.

I realize that. Most places have wooden balconies. Mine just happens to be
all fireproof....brick walls and cement ceilings and floors. They "threw
out the baby with the bathwater," in my case. And my place is probably the
exception rather than the rule. Regardless, it's a state-wide rule now.

I don't miss it too much though. Actually, many of my neighbors still grill
out. They just wait until after 5PM when all the apartment police have gone
home.

Gary

Clueless AOL newbie Sheldon "Pussy" Katz blathered ignorantly:

> People who swear by lump charcoal over gas are performing mental masturbation.

Do you believe that gas burns at the same temperature as lump charcoal?
Or did you just want to fantasize about masturbation?

Bob

Sitara wrote:

> I had some friends over for dinner. I had made a wonderful Thai
> marinade and had the chicken breasts soaking in it all afternoon.
> Got the rest of the dinner together and lit the gas grill to let it
> heat up.
>
> When I went to put the chicken on the grill.....no heat. I was out
> of propane. I thought there was enough for one more grilling. I was
> wrong.
>
> So I had to bake the chicken off in the oven. I was SOOO
> disappointed. It was good,
> but I missed that wonderful grill flavor.. a lot.
>
> This morning I lugged my tank down to where I buy propane and filled
> it up. I saved
> some of the marinade and have some thighs soaking in it right now.
> I'm going to grill them off for my lunches this week.
>
> Nothing like having a nice dinner all ready to go and ...no gas.
>
> Have you ever done anything like that?

That is most emphatically NOT a disaster.

Bob

On Tue, 15 May 2012 13:27:53 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>George Leppla wrote:
>>
>> You know what would be neat.... a taste test. Set up a gas grill and a
>> charcoal grill. Cook something that is uniform... like hamburgers, and
>> have a blind taste test to see how many people can tell the difference.
>>
>> I'm betting not many could.
>
>That would be a good test. Maybe someone here with both kinds of grills
>will try it and report back. Great idea!

I've already done the test. Lump and/or wood is better. My gasser is
60k btu so an inferior grill is not the problem. I'll use the gasser
for convenience but don't fool myself into believing it's just as
good.

Lou

"George Leppla" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/15/2012 9:50 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>> Well. If I had a backyard I might consider a charcoal grill. I live
>> in a condo and my grill is on my deck.
>> I am not going to use charcoal on a wood deck. I don't want to take
>> the chance as well as I don't want to deal with the mess and cleanup
>> of a charcoal grill on a deck that is not on ground level.
>>
>> The lava rocks do a really nice job of smoke and I do add wood chips
>> for things that I want to impart smoke flavor on. There is a
>> discernible difference in cooking on a gas grill that doesn't have the
>> lava rocks and one that does. I really like mine.
>>
>> You guys can do charcoal, and you can tell me I'm wrong. I do what I
>> do for a reason and I think my methodology produces very good
>> results. At least those people who eat my food seem to think so.
>
>
> You know what would be neat.... a taste test. Set up a gas grill and a
> charcoal grill. Cook something that is uniform... like hamburgers, and
> have a blind taste test to see how many people can tell the difference.
>
> I'm betting not many could.
>
> George L
>

You want to pay for the grills and the gas/charcoal? I'm willing to taste
test whatever if you'll pay for the equipment and supplies

Jill

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 15/05/2012 11:38 AM, George Leppla wrote:
>>
>>
>> You know what would be neat.... a taste test. Set up a gas grill and a
>> charcoal grill. Cook something that is uniform... like hamburgers, and
>> have a blind taste test to see how many people can tell the difference.
>>
>> I'm betting not many could.
>
> I think that most would know the charcoal cooked stuff.
>

I agree, Dave. I'm pretty sure I could tell the difference.

Jill

jmcquown > wrote:

>"Dave Smith" > wrote in message

>> On 15/05/2012 11:38 AM, George Leppla wrote:

>>> You know what would be neat.... a taste test. Set up a gas grill and a
>>> charcoal grill. Cook something that is uniform... like hamburgers, and
>>> have a blind taste test to see how many people can tell the difference.

>>> I'm betting not many could.

>> I think that most would know the charcoal cooked stuff.

>I agree, Dave. I'm pretty sure I could tell the difference.

I think usually most people could, but there are many variables.
For example, if one got a grease fire going in both grills, that
may drown out what would otherwise be the difference in flavor.

(Tangentially vaporized grease is very yucky and I squick at
the fact that there are people who do this deliberately when
grilling.)

Also, if the charcoal grill was uncovered, and had charcoals burning
in the cherry-red stage rather than the more smoky stage, there may
be too little charcoal smoke to impart any flavor.

I always add a few pieces of charcoal every now and then as I
am going along. And, well, I leave the grill covered almost always
to promote a build-up of smoke. And, I add wood but I suppose
that would be cheating for the purposes of this comparison.


Steve

In article
>,
ImStillMags > wrote:

> I had some friends over for dinner. I had made a wonderful Thai
> marinade and had the chicken breasts soaking in it all afternoon.
> Got the rest of the dinner together and lit the gas grill to let it
> heat up.
>
> When I went to put the chicken on the grill.....no heat. I was out
> of propane. I thought there was enough for one more grilling. I was
> wrong.
>
> So I had to bake the chicken off in the oven. I was SOOO
> disappointed. It was good,
> but I missed that wonderful grill flavor.. a lot.
>
> This morning I lugged my tank down to where I buy propane and filled
> it up. I saved
> some of the marinade and have some thighs soaking in it right now.
> I'm going to grill them off for my lunches this week.
>
> Nothing like having a nice dinner all ready to go and ...no gas.
>
> Have you ever done anything like that?

I keep a close watch on the level of propane left. I'm curious about
why you didn't broil the chicken instead of bake it.
--
Barb,
http://web.me.com/barbschaller September 5, 2011

On May 18, 11:08*am, Melba's Jammin' >
wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
>
>
>
>
> *ImStillMags > wrote:
> > I had some friends over for dinner. * I had made a wonderful Thai
> > marinade and had the chicken breasts soaking in it all afternoon.
> > Got the rest of the dinner together and lit the gas grill to let it
> > heat up.
>
> > When I went to put the chicken on the grill.....no heat. * I was out
> > of propane. *I thought there was enough for one more grilling. * I was
> > wrong.
>
> > So I had to bake the chicken off in the oven. * I was SOOO
> > disappointed. *It was good,
> > but I missed that wonderful grill flavor.. a lot.
>
> > This morning I lugged my tank down to where I buy propane and filled
> > it up. * I saved
> > some of the marinade and have some thighs soaking in it right now.
> > I'm going to grill them off for my lunches this week.
>
> > Nothing like having a nice dinner all ready to go and ...no gas.
>
> > Have you ever done anything like that?
>
> I keep a close watch on the level of propane left. *I'm curious about
> why you didn't broil the chicken instead of bake it.
> --
> Barb,http://web.me.com/barbschallerSeptember 5, 2011- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I did broil it....at the end. I baked it first and finished it under
the broiler. I didn't want to burn the marinade which was pretty
thick on the chicken. It was ok, but it just didn't have that great
done on the grill flavor.

In article
>,
ImStillMags > wrote:

> On May 18, 11:08*am, Melba's Jammin' >

> >
> > I keep a close watch on the level of propane left. *I'm curious about
> > why you didn't broil the chicken instead of bake it.
> > --
> > Barb,http://web.me.com/barbschallerSeptember 5, 2011- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I did broil it....at the end. I baked it first and finished it under
> the broiler. I didn't want to burn the marinade which was pretty
> thick on the chicken.


Got it. Like I said, I was just curious.


It was ok, but it just didn't have that great
> done on the grill flavor.


--
Barb,
http://web.me.com/barbschaller September 5, 2011

On 5/15/2012 12:31 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2012 10:21:29 -0500, George Leppla
> > wrote:
>
>> Sheldon... we are also thinking of putting in a gas-powered emergency
>> generator some time down the road. The folks across the street have one
>> and it is great. Power goes off, generator comes on. Minimal yearly
>> maintenance.
>
> So you're thinking of a whole house generator? My brother has a
> generator, but it's mobile and he uses it to do other things around
> the property when the power is on. The power here is so stable that
> the only time we needed a generator is during a disaster and they had
> the power back on so quickly, it was amazing. Telephone service took
> longer to come back than the power did.
>

Question for your brother... if he doesn't have to use it often does he
test it? I found out the hard way that it needs to be not only started
up regularly but you have to plug something into each of the circuits.
Something about polarity if it isn't used often. I can't remember
exactly what the tech said when I had to have mine serviced after
loaning it to my mom when her power went out. Only one of the two
circuits worked. It had never been used or started since I bought it.
The tech had to replace a circuit board and told me one way to remember
to test it monthly was do it when paying my electricity bill. Reminds
me, I have to test it this weekend.

(please no flames - I'm not good with some things, great with others.
I'm learning)

On Wed, 23 May 2012 21:09:47 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

> On 5/15/2012 12:31 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 15 May 2012 10:21:29 -0500, George Leppla
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Sheldon... we are also thinking of putting in a gas-powered emergency
> >> generator some time down the road. The folks across the street have one
> >> and it is great. Power goes off, generator comes on. Minimal yearly
> >> maintenance.
> >
> > So you're thinking of a whole house generator? My brother has a
> > generator, but it's mobile and he uses it to do other things around
> > the property when the power is on. The power here is so stable that
> > the only time we needed a generator is during a disaster and they had
> > the power back on so quickly, it was amazing. Telephone service took
> > longer to come back than the power did.
> >
>
> Question for your brother... if he doesn't have to use it often does he
> test it?

He uses it a lot as portable source of electricity. He hitches it up
to the back of his truck and hauls it where he needs to use it.
Not sure what he uses it for, but he has 50 acres and at least 25 of
it is timber that he maintains himself.

> I found out the hard way that it needs to be not only started
> up regularly but you have to plug something into each of the circuits.
> Something about polarity if it isn't used often. I can't remember
> exactly what the tech said when I had to have mine serviced after
> loaning it to my mom when her power went out. Only one of the two
> circuits worked. It had never been used or started since I bought it.
> The tech had to replace a circuit board and told me one way to remember
> to test it monthly was do it when paying my electricity bill. Reminds
> me, I have to test it this weekend.
>
> (please no flames - I'm not good with some things, great with others.
> I'm learning)


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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.