McDonald getting sued again
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1380578.html


Chicago Business reports that, oddly, both suits were filed last
Thursday in a court in Cook County, Ill., which comprises Chicago and
its environs.

One case involved a four-year-old girl, Lynn Abdelal, who was given a
cup of blisteringly hot coffee to give to her grandma, and suffered a
second-degree burn when its lid fell off. Her grandmother had not
intended for her to carry coffee in the first place; she had asked her
granddaughter to throw away the empty cup. Part of the complaint --
which asks for $4 million in damages -- is based on the fact that the
McDonald's employee served coffee to such a young child, in violation
of company policy.

The other suit arose after 35-year-old Melissa Pettigrew spilled hot
coffee all over her thighs, leading to what her attorney calls
"horrific" burns.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> McDonald getting sued again
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1380578.html
>
> Chicago Business reports that, oddly, both suits were filed last
> Thursday in a court in Cook County, Ill., which comprises Chicago and
> its environs.
>
> One case involved a four-year-old girl, Lynn Abdelal, who was given a
> cup of blisteringly hot coffee to give to her grandma, and suffered a
> second-degree burn when its lid fell off. Her grandmother had not
> intended for her to carry coffee in the first place; she had asked her
> granddaughter to throw away the empty cup. Part of the complaint --
> which asks for $4 million in damages -- is based on the fact that the
> McDonald's employee served coffee to such a young child, in violation
> of company policy.
>
> The other suit arose after 35-year-old Melissa Pettigrew spilled hot
> coffee all over her thighs, leading to what her attorney calls
> "horrific" burns.

Bullshit. If grandma sent her 4-year-old grand daughter to the trash with
an empty coffee cup, that little girl wouldn't have been anywhere near the
counter to get a refill.
Lazy-ass grandma is just trying to cover her ass. She should have gone up to
get her own coffee.
The other one, Melissa, should be more careful when holding hot liquids.
DUH!

If McDonalds had served them warm "safe" coffee, they would have bitched
about that.

IMO, these are "get rich quick" plans. I would love to be on a jury with one
of these frivolous lawsuits.

Gary

Gary > wrote in :


>
> IMO, these are "get rich quick" plans. I would love to be on a jury
> with one of these frivolous lawsuits.
>
> Gary
>


With you on that one.



I'd ask for the ****ers to be sent to jail when the case is thrown out!!



--
Peter
Tasmania
Australia

On 01/04/2012 11:54 AM, Gary wrote:
horrific" burns.
>
> Bullshit. If grandma sent her 4-year-old grand daughter to the trash with
> an empty coffee cup, that little girl wouldn't have been anywhere near the
> counter to get a refill.
> Lazy-ass grandma is just trying to cover her ass. She should have gone up to
> get her own coffee.
> The other one, Melissa, should be more careful when holding hot liquids.
> DUH!
>
> If McDonalds had served them warm "safe" coffee, they would have bitched
> about that.
>
> IMO, these are "get rich quick" plans. I would love to be on a jury with one
> of these frivolous lawsuits.
>


WTF is wrong with people? It is hot coffee. It is supposed to be hot.
Have you ever bitten into one of those hot apple pies they sell (or used
to sell.... had one about) 25 years ago.


Like the case of the old lady who burned her crotch and the compelling
evidence was the extent of the damages. While I feel sorry for the
woman suffering the burns, the coffee is served in a disposable cup with
a somewhat flimsy lid. It is not meant to be held between one's thighs.
People get hot coffee at the take out window to be consumed elsewhere,
so it needs to be hot so it will be hot later when they get around to
it. We should not be holding the companies liable for the stupidity of
the consumer.

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 12:28:44 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 01/04/2012 11:54 AM, Gary wrote:
>horrific" burns.
>>
>> Bullshit. If grandma sent her 4-year-old grand daughter to the trash with
>> an empty coffee cup, that little girl wouldn't have been anywhere near the
>> counter to get a refill.
>> Lazy-ass grandma is just trying to cover her ass. She should have gone up to
>> get her own coffee.
>> The other one, Melissa, should be more careful when holding hot liquids.
>> DUH!
>>
>> If McDonalds had served them warm "safe" coffee, they would have bitched
>> about that.
>>
>> IMO, these are "get rich quick" plans. I would love to be on a jury with one
>> of these frivolous lawsuits.
>>
>
>
>WTF is wrong with people? It is hot coffee. It is supposed to be hot.
>Have you ever bitten into one of those hot apple pies they sell (or used
>to sell.... had one about) 25 years ago.
>
>
>Like the case of the old lady who burned her crotch and the compelling
>evidence was the extent of the damages. While I feel sorry for the
>woman suffering the burns, the coffee is served in a disposable cup with
>a somewhat flimsy lid. It is not meant to be held between one's thighs.
> People get hot coffee at the take out window to be consumed elsewhere,
>so it needs to be hot so it will be hot later when they get around to
>it.

There's a lot more to that case than meets the eye. I recently watched
this doco: http://www.hotcoffeethemovie.com/Default.asp and it opened
my eyes. It's available on bittorrent.

>We should not be holding the companies liable for the stupidity of
>the consumer.

No, but those same companies are actively promoting the concept that
any kind of consumer lawsuit appears to be frivolous by twisting the
facts, such as on the above case.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

On 01/04/2012 4:08 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 12:28:44 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 01/04/2012 11:54 AM, Gary wrote:
>> horrific" burns.
>>>
>>> Bullshit. If grandma sent her 4-year-old grand daughter to the trash with
>>> an empty coffee cup, that little girl wouldn't have been anywhere near the
>>> counter to get a refill.
>>> Lazy-ass grandma is just trying to cover her ass. She should have gone up to
>>> get her own coffee.
>>> The other one, Melissa, should be more careful when holding hot liquids.
>>> DUH!
>>>
>>> If McDonalds had served them warm "safe" coffee, they would have bitched
>>> about that.
>>>
>>> IMO, these are "get rich quick" plans. I would love to be on a jury with one
>>> of these frivolous lawsuits.
>>>
>>
>>
>> WTF is wrong with people? It is hot coffee. It is supposed to be hot.
>> Have you ever bitten into one of those hot apple pies they sell (or used
>> to sell.... had one about) 25 years ago.
>>
>>
>> Like the case of the old lady who burned her crotch and the compelling
>> evidence was the extent of the damages. While I feel sorry for the
>> woman suffering the burns, the coffee is served in a disposable cup with
>> a somewhat flimsy lid. It is not meant to be held between one's thighs.
>> People get hot coffee at the take out window to be consumed elsewhere,
>> so it needs to be hot so it will be hot later when they get around to
>> it.
>
> There's a lot more to that case than meets the eye. I recently watched
> this doco: http://www.hotcoffeethemovie.com/Default.asp and it opened
> my eyes. It's available on bittorrent.


I caught part of that film and I have read a number of articles about
the coffee incident. The film is not just about this case, but about
the power of big corporations to stifle complaints and protect
themselves. It has not changed my opinion about this case. As much as
I sympathize with this woman for the pain and suffering she must have
endured I just can't get past the issue of her squeezing a disposable
cup of coffee between her legs. She ordered a cup of hot coffee. She got
it in a serving cup of light enough material to be disposable but firm
enough to hold its shape under normal use and fitted with a lid secure
enough to stay on..... under normal use. Most vehicles have cup holders
of some sort, or the dash board. She could have had someone else hold it
for her. Hell, they could have got off their asses and and gone into
the restaurant and sat at a table. Bit now... she clamps a paper cup
between her legs. There is no doubt that she suffered, but the extent of
her suffering does not mean that the company is more liable.... IMO



>
>> We should not be holding the companies liable for the stupidity of
>> the consumer.
>
> No, but those same companies are actively promoting the concept that
> any kind of consumer lawsuit appears to be frivolous by twisting the
> facts, such as on the above case.
>
> http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm
>

On Apr 2, 7:15*am, Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 01/04/2012 4:08 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 12:28:44 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > *wrote:
>
> >> On 01/04/2012 11:54 AM, Gary wrote:
> >> horrific" burns.
>
> >>> Bullshit. *If grandma sent her 4-year-old grand daughter to the trash with
> >>> an empty coffee cup, that little girl wouldn't have been anywhere near the
> >>> counter to get a refill.
> >>> Lazy-ass grandma is just trying to cover her ass. She should have gone up to
> >>> get her own coffee.
> >>> The other one, Melissa, should be more careful when holding hot liquids.
> >>> DUH!
>
> >>> If McDonalds had served them warm "safe" coffee, they would have bitched
> >>> about that.
>
> >>> IMO, these are "get rich quick" plans. I would love to be on a jury with one
> >>> of these frivolous lawsuits.
>
> >> WTF is wrong with people? It is hot coffee. It is supposed to be hot.
> >> Have you ever bitten into one of those hot apple pies they sell (or used
> >> to sell.... had one about) 25 years ago.
>
> >> Like the case of the old lady who burned her crotch and the compelling
> >> evidence was the extent of the damages. *While I feel sorry for the
> >> woman suffering the burns, the coffee is served in a disposable cup with
> >> a somewhat flimsy lid. *It is not meant to be held between one's thighs.
> >> * People get hot coffee at the take out window to be consumed elsewhere,
> >> so it needs to be hot so it will be hot later when they get around to
> >> it.
>
> > There's a lot more to that case than meets the eye. I recently watched
> > this doco:http://www.hotcoffeethemovie.com/Default.aspand it opened
> > my eyes. It's available on bittorrent.
>
> I caught part of that film and I have read a number of articles about
> the coffee incident. *The film is not just about this case, but about
> the power of big corporations to stifle complaints and protect
> themselves. * It has not changed my opinion about this case. *As much as
> I sympathize with this woman for the pain and suffering she must have
> endured I just can't get past the *issue of her squeezing a disposable
> cup of coffee between her legs. She ordered a cup of hot coffee. She got
> it in a serving cup of light enough material to be disposable but firm
> enough to hold its shape under normal use and fitted with a lid secure
> enough to stay on..... under normal use. *Most vehicles have cup holders
> of some sort, or the dash board. She could have had someone else hold it
> for her. *Hell, they could have got off their asses and *and gone into
> the restaurant and sat at a table. Bit now... she clamps a paper cup
> between her legs. There is no doubt that she suffered, but the extent of
> her suffering does not mean that the company is more liable.... IMO
>

No one knows more about serving fast food to the masses than
McDonald's. McDonald's sells its breakfast sandwiches for immediate
consumption because an Egg McMuffin tastes lousy when it is cold.
Further, people order hot breakfast drinks to consume with their
breakfast. Therefore McDonald's should have expected hot breakfast
drinks sold at their drivethru to be consumed immediately.

McDonald's could have made cooler coffee available for immediate
drinking --they did not.
McDonald's could have simply stopped selling coffee at the drive-thru
-- they did not.
McDonald's could have doctored the coffee to the client's taste at the
drive-thru -- apparently they did not.
McDonald's knew that a certain percentage of drive-thru patrons would
not have cupholders in their cars.

Therefore, McDonald's knew or should have known exactly what was going
to happen when they served scalding-hot coffee to their drive-through
patrons.

>
>
>
>
>
> >> We should not be holding the companies liable for the stupidity of
> >> the consumer.
>
> > No, but those same companies are actively promoting the concept that
> > any kind of consumer lawsuit appears to be frivolous by twisting the
> > facts, such as on the above case.
>
> >http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> People get hot coffee at the take out window to be consumed elsewhere,
> so it needs to be hot so it will be hot later when they get around to
> it. We should not be holding the companies liable for the stupidity of
> the consumer.

It is true that coffee brewed hot tastes better. It is not true that
coffee drunk hot tastes better. What's true is that hot drunk hot burns
the inside of the mouth.

Back when that first suit happened I had already given up on McDonalds
for coffee because they served it too bleeping hot to drink. Unless I
can have the empty cup to put the correct amount of ice in it before
they pour the molten lava into the cup, forget me getting coffee there.

Doug Freyburger wrote:

> Back when that first suit happened I had already given up on McDonalds
> for coffee because they served it too bleeping hot to drink. Unless I
> can have the empty cup to put the correct amount of ice in it before
> they pour the molten lava into the cup, forget me getting coffee there.

I was "treated" to a cup of McDoggie's dishwater a few months ago.
It's practically tasteless.

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:36:16 -0400, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
>> Back when that first suit happened I had already given up on McDonalds
>> for coffee because they served it too bleeping hot to drink. Unless I
>> can have the empty cup to put the correct amount of ice in it before
>> they pour the molten lava into the cup, forget me getting coffee there.
>
>I was "treated" to a cup of McDoggie's dishwater a few months ago.
>It's practically tasteless.


Varies by region. We get Newman's Own and it is pretty good.

Burger King here (in CT) uses Seattle's Best and it sucks.

On 01/04/2012 5:36 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
>> Back when that first suit happened I had already given up on McDonalds
>> for coffee because they served it too bleeping hot to drink. Unless I
>> can have the empty cup to put the correct amount of ice in it before
>> they pour the molten lava into the cup, forget me getting coffee there.
>
> I was "treated" to a cup of McDoggie's dishwater a few months ago.
> It's practically tasteless.
>

I haven't tried it because I have not been in a McD's in ages, but I
have heard from a number of people that their coffee is pretty good.

On Apr 1, 2:36*pm, George M. Middius > wrote:
> Doug Freyburger wrote:
> > Back when that first suit happened I had already given up on McDonalds
> > for coffee because they served it too bleeping hot to drink. *Unless I
> > can have the empty cup to put the correct amount of ice in it before
> > they pour the molten lava into the cup, forget me getting coffee there.
>
> I was "treated" to a cup of McDoggie's dishwater a few months ago.
> It's practically tasteless.

From what I've had recently, McCafe drip compares very favorably to
Starbucks' ubiquitous Pike's Place beurk.

On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 20:53:52 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> People get hot coffee at the take out window to be consumed elsewhere,
>> so it needs to be hot so it will be hot later when they get around to
>> it. We should not be holding the companies liable for the stupidity of
>> the consumer.
>
>It is true that coffee brewed hot tastes better. It is not true that
>coffee drunk hot tastes better. What's true is that hot drunk hot burns
>the inside of the mouth.
>
>Back when that first suit happened I had already given up on McDonalds
>for coffee because they served it too bleeping hot to drink. Unless I
>can have the empty cup to put the correct amount of ice in it before
>they pour the molten lava into the cup, forget me getting coffee there.

In a place with fast turnover,fresh brewed coffee will be at a high
temperature. Holding it can lower the temperature from the 190
degrees, but I've never seen a formal setup to do just that.

You have the people that want it very hot, or, as Dave points out,
must hold it a while and others like you and I that want it a bit
cooler to consume right away. In the store, I can just let it sit
with the lid off five minutes and it is OK with cream and sugar added,
but my wife drinks it black right away, very hot.

Tough to make everyone happy.

Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 20:53:52 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> > wrote:
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> People get hot coffee at the take out window to be consumed elsewhere,
>>> so it needs to be hot so it will be hot later when they get around to
>>> it. We should not be holding the companies liable for the stupidity of
>>> the consumer.
>>
>> It is true that coffee brewed hot tastes better. It is not true that
>> coffee drunk hot tastes better. What's true is that hot drunk hot burns
>> the inside of the mouth.
>>
>> Back when that first suit happened I had already given up on McDonalds
>> for coffee because they served it too bleeping hot to drink. Unless I
>> can have the empty cup to put the correct amount of ice in it before
>> they pour the molten lava into the cup, forget me getting coffee there.
>
> In a place with fast turnover,fresh brewed coffee will be at a high
> temperature. Holding it can lower the temperature from the 190
> degrees, but I've never seen a formal setup to do just that.
>
> You have the people that want it very hot, or, as Dave points out,
> must hold it a while and others like you and I that want it a bit
> cooler to consume right away. In the store, I can just let it sit
> with the lid off five minutes and it is OK with cream and sugar added,
> but my wife drinks it black right away, very hot.
>
> Tough to make everyone happy.

I'm usually on the road when I stop there. I always add ice. That's after I
spill some out. Somebody could design a cooling system, but some like it
hot.


Greg

On 01/04/2012 9:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> Back when that first suit happened I had already given up on McDonalds
>> for coffee because they served it too bleeping hot to drink. Unless I
>> can have the empty cup to put the correct amount of ice in it before
>> they pour the molten lava into the cup, forget me getting coffee there.
>
> In a place with fast turnover,fresh brewed coffee will be at a high
> temperature. Holding it can lower the temperature from the 190
> degrees, but I've never seen a formal setup to do just that.
>
> You have the people that want it very hot, or, as Dave points out,
> must hold it a while and others like you and I that want it a bit
> cooler to consume right away. In the store, I can just let it sit
> with the lid off five minutes and it is OK with cream and sugar added,
> but my wife drinks it black right away, very hot.
>
> Tough to make everyone happy.

Yep.. If you get it hot but like it a little cooler you can let it cool
for a few minutes. If you like it hot and it comes luke warm, it's not
going to get any hotter.

On 01/04/2012 4:53 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> People get hot coffee at the take out window to be consumed elsewhere,
>> so it needs to be hot so it will be hot later when they get around to
>> it. We should not be holding the companies liable for the stupidity of
>> the consumer.
>
> It is true that coffee brewed hot tastes better. It is not true that
> coffee drunk hot tastes better. What's true is that hot drunk hot burns
> the inside of the mouth.

Yep, and that's why people don't take a fresh cup of coffee and gulp it
down. That's also why most people handle it carefully and don't try to
hold a cup of hot coffee between their thighs.

>
> Back when that first suit happened I had already given up on McDonalds
> for coffee because they served it too bleeping hot to drink. Unless I
> can have the empty cup to put the correct amount of ice in it before
> they pour the molten lava into the cup, forget me getting coffee there.


We're talking a couple degrees of temperature. It is a fast food
restaurant and a lot of the coffee is "to go", to be consumed later. If
the coffee is too hot to drink just let it sit for a couple minutes
while it cools off.

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 23:30:32 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:


>
>We're talking a couple degrees of temperature. It is a fast food
>restaurant and a lot of the coffee is "to go", to be consumed later. If
>the coffee is too hot to drink just let it sit for a couple minutes
>while it cools off.

Many people are addicts that need the caffeine fix and can't wait.
Just like the ones that take a cup before the brewer is done and don't
care about the next guy getting a weak cup.

On Apr 1, 8:30*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 01/04/2012 4:53 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
> > Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >> * *People get hot coffee at the take out window to be consumed elsewhere,
> >> so it needs to be hot so it will be hot later when they get around to
> >> it. *We should not be holding the companies liable for the stupidity of
> >> the consumer.
>
> > It is true that coffee brewed hot tastes better. *It is not true that
> > coffee drunk hot tastes better. *What's true is that hot drunk hot burns
> > the inside of the mouth.
>
> Yep, and that's why people don't take a fresh cup of coffee and gulp it
> down. That's also why most people handle it carefully and don't try to
> hold a cup of hot coffee between their thighs.

How would you put cream and sugar in your drive-through coffee?

>
>
> > Back when that first suit happened I had already given up on McDonalds
> > for coffee because they served it too bleeping hot to drink. *Unless I
> > can have the empty cup to put the correct amount of ice in it before
> > they pour the molten lava into the cup, forget me getting coffee there.
>
> We're talking a couple degrees of temperature. It is a fast food
> restaurant and a lot of the coffee is "to go", to be consumed later. If
> the coffee is too hot to drink just let it sit for a couple minutes
> while it cools off.

Not every car has cup holders. Some that do, (my wife's car) has cup
holders that do not hold cups securely. But the purpose of a cup
holder is to hold a beverage within reach of the driver and front seat
passenger. Beverages sold from a drive-through are going to be drunk
in a car, and the purveyor should plan accordingly.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
. com...
> On 01/04/2012 11:54 AM, Gary wrote:
> horrific" burns.
>>
>> Bullshit. If grandma sent her 4-year-old grand daughter to the trash
>> with
>> an empty coffee cup, that little girl wouldn't have been anywhere near
>> the
>> counter to get a refill.
>> Lazy-ass grandma is just trying to cover her ass. She should have gone up
>> to
>> get her own coffee.
>> The other one, Melissa, should be more careful when holding hot liquids.
>> DUH!
>>
>> If McDonalds had served them warm "safe" coffee, they would have bitched
>> about that.
>>
>> IMO, these are "get rich quick" plans. I would love to be on a jury with
>> one
>> of these frivolous lawsuits.
>>
>
> WTF is wrong with people? It is hot coffee. It is supposed to be hot. Have
> you ever bitten into one of those hot apple pies they sell (or used to
> sell.... had one about) 25 years ago.
>
>
> Like the case of the old lady who burned her crotch and the compelling
> evidence was the extent of the damages. While I feel sorry for the woman
> suffering the burns, the coffee is served in a disposable cup with a
> somewhat flimsy lid. It is not meant to be held between one's thighs.

Agreed. Transfer it to a travel-mug with a tight-fitting lid if you
absolutely MUST drink anything while driving. I don't see anyone suing
because a flimsy cup of ice cold Coca-Cola or Pepsi spilled all over them
and ruined their skirt, pants or pantyhose. Sheesh.

Jill

In article >, says...
>
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > McDonald getting sued again
> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1380578.html
> >
> > Chicago Business reports that, oddly, both suits were filed last
> > Thursday in a court in Cook County, Ill., which comprises Chicago and
> > its environs.
> >
> > One case involved a four-year-old girl, Lynn Abdelal, who was given a
> > cup of blisteringly hot coffee to give to her grandma, and suffered a
> > second-degree burn when its lid fell off. Her grandmother had not
> > intended for her to carry coffee in the first place; she had asked her
> > granddaughter to throw away the empty cup. Part of the complaint --
> > which asks for $4 million in damages -- is based on the fact that the
> > McDonald's employee served coffee to such a young child, in violation
> > of company policy.
> >
> > The other suit arose after 35-year-old Melissa Pettigrew spilled hot
> > coffee all over her thighs, leading to what her attorney calls
> > "horrific" burns.
>
> Bullshit. If grandma sent her 4-year-old grand daughter to the trash with
> an empty coffee cup, that little girl wouldn't have been anywhere near the
> counter to get a refill.
> Lazy-ass grandma is just trying to cover her ass. She should have gone up to
> get her own coffee.
> The other one, Melissa, should be more careful when holding hot liquids.
> DUH!
>
> If McDonalds had served them warm "safe" coffee, they would have bitched
> about that.
>
> IMO, these are "get rich quick" plans. I would love to be on a jury with one
> of these frivolous lawsuits.

I predict that these are going to go differently from the last one.
The plaintiffs are going to come up with the same old crap as the last
time, and McD is going to bring out the ANSI standards for coffee and
tell 'em to take it up with the regulators because their coffee is by
the book and it's not their fault if their bumbling competitors can't
make standards-compliant coffee.

Somebody tried going after Bunn-O-Matic a few years back thinking that
they'd collect like the Stupid Old Bat did in the McD case. Bunn
trotted out the standard and the plaintiffs' case collapsed.

On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:14:28 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:32:29 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> I predict that these are going to go differently from the last one.
>> The plaintiffs are going to come up with the same old crap as the last
>> time, and McD is going to bring out the ANSI standards for coffee and
>> tell 'em to take it up with the regulators because their coffee is by
>> the book and it's not their fault if their bumbling competitors can't
>> make standards-compliant coffee.
>
>The fact it's against company policy (though not illegal) to give hot
>coffee to a 4 year old, there will probably be some "lack of due
>diligence" on the part of McDonalds so that one will at least
>partially prevail. It would be nice if they had some cameras in there
>to show that the girl was most likely not told to throw away the cup,
>but rather to get more coffee. That would prove her a liar and lessen
>any judgment.
>
>-sw

A 4 year old child should not be running any kind of errands in a
McDonalds. I consider that 'child endangerment.' Who are they going
to blame when someone trips over the child and injuries it? Who's
going to be at fault when the child spills the coffee on someone and
scalds them? Whose fault is it if the child disappears and is whisked
away by a child offender?
You let the child do tasks at home where you can keep them safe until
they are older and more adept. Grandma was slacking off or is lacking
in judgment.
Janet US

On Apr 1, 10:36*pm, Janet Bostwick > wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:14:28 -0500, Sqwertz >
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> >On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:32:29 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
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> >> I predict that these are going to go differently *from the last one.
> >> The plaintiffs are going to come up with the same old crap as the last
> >> time, and McD is going to bring out the ANSI standards for coffee and
> >> tell 'em to take it up with the regulators because their coffee is by
> >> the book and it's not their fault if their bumbling competitors can't
> >> make standards-compliant coffee.
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> >The fact it's against company policy (though not illegal) to give hot
> >coffee to a 4 year old, there will probably be some "lack of due
> >diligence" on the part of McDonalds so that one will at least
> >partially prevail. *It would be nice if they had some cameras in there
> >to show that the girl was most likely not told to throw away the cup,
> >but rather to get more coffee. *That would prove her a liar and lessen
> >any judgment.
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> >-sw
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> A 4 year old child should not be running any kind of errands in a
> McDonalds. *I consider that 'child endangerment.' *Who are they going
> to blame when someone trips over the child and injuries it?

McDonald's are known to be child-friendly restaurants, as the
Hamburglar could tell you. Freerunning children are thus to be
expected.

> Who's
> going to be at fault when the child spills the coffee on someone and
> scalds them?

The coffee is only hazardous if the restaurant makes it so.

> Whose fault is it if the child disappears and is whisked
> away by a child offender?

The chance that a child is snatched unnoticed in a popular restaurant
is vanishingly small. How will a child learn to be independent if he's
watched like a hawk 24/7?

> You let the child do tasks at home where you can keep them safe until
> they are older and more adept.

Because no four year old could possibly throw away an empty cup
without mishap? Do you have adult children still living at home?

> Grandma was slacking off or is lacking
> in judgment.

I bet Janet was still taking her son in the Ladies Room with her when
he was 17.

spamtrap1888 wrote:
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> On Apr 1, 10:36 pm, Janet Bostwick wrote:

> > Whose fault is it if the child disappears and is whisked
> > away by a child offender?
>
> The chance that a child is snatched unnoticed in a popular restaurant
> is vanishingly small. How will a child learn to be independent if he's
> watched like a hawk 24/7?

Get real. When you are out with someone elses child, you *SHOULD* watch them
like a hawk.

Gary

On Apr 1, 8:54*am, Gary > wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > McDonald getting sued again
> >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...ee-lawsuit_n_1...
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> > Chicago Business reports that, oddly, both suits were filed last
> > Thursday in a court in Cook County, Ill., which comprises Chicago and
> > its environs.
>
> > One case involved a four-year-old girl, Lynn Abdelal, who was given a
> > cup of blisteringly hot coffee to give to her grandma, and suffered a
> > second-degree burn when its lid fell off. Her grandmother had not
> > intended for her to carry coffee in the first place; she had asked her
> > granddaughter to throw away the empty cup. Part of the complaint --
> > which asks for $4 million in damages -- is based on the fact that the
> > McDonald's employee served coffee to such a young child, in violation
> > of company policy.
>
> > The other suit arose after 35-year-old Melissa Pettigrew spilled hot
> > coffee all over her thighs, leading to what her attorney calls
> > "horrific" burns.
>
> Bullshit. *If grandma sent her 4-year-old grand daughter to the trash with
> an empty coffee cup, that little girl wouldn't have been anywhere near the
> counter to get a refill.
> Lazy-ass grandma is just trying to cover her ass. She should have gone up to
> get her own coffee.

Possible, but I would say it's more likely the little tyke was
planning a pleasant surprise for Grandma. Else she wanted grandma to
tarry a while. In any event, McDonald's put the cup of scalding hot
coffee in the little girl's hands, not Grandma. Again, no one would
expect McDonald's to serve scalding hot coffee any more, particularly
Grandma who had just finished a cup.

> The other one, Melissa, should be more careful when holding hot liquids.
> DUH!

People neither expect McDonald's to give them a cup of scalding hot
coffee, nor are they prepared to hold one.

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> If McDonalds had served them warm "safe" coffee, they would have bitched
> about that.

Bitched, yes. Been injured therefrom, no.

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> IMO, these are "get rich quick" plans. I would love to be on a jury with one
> of these frivolous lawsuits.
>
> Gary

McDonald's has no excuse for maiming its customers.

On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:07:46 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> wrote:



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>McDonald's has no excuse for maiming its customers.

It was poor judgment by one of their thousands of workers. Possibly a
violation of policy, but I'm not sure and I'm not inclined to search
for it. Perhaps McD has some liability for medical expenses, but the
$4million is just a lawyers wet dream and should not waste a court's
time.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> McDonald getting sued again
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1380578.html
>>
>> Chicago Business reports that, oddly, both suits were filed last
>> Thursday in a court in Cook County, Ill., which comprises Chicago and
>> its environs.
>>
>> One case involved a four-year-old girl, Lynn Abdelal, who was given a
>> cup of blisteringly hot coffee to give to her grandma, and suffered a
>> second-degree burn when its lid fell off. Her grandmother had not
>> intended for her to carry coffee in the first place; she had asked her
>> granddaughter to throw away the empty cup. Part of the complaint --
>> which asks for $4 million in damages -- is based on the fact that the
>> McDonald's employee served coffee to such a young child, in violation
>> of company policy.
>>
>> The other suit arose after 35-year-old Melissa Pettigrew spilled hot
>> coffee all over her thighs, leading to what her attorney calls
>> "horrific" burns.
>
> Bullshit. If grandma sent her 4-year-old grand daughter to the trash with
> an empty coffee cup, that little girl wouldn't have been anywhere near the
> counter to get a refill.
> Lazy-ass grandma is just trying to cover her ass. She should have gone up
> to
> get her own coffee.
> The other one, Melissa, should be more careful when holding hot liquids.
> DUH!
>
> If McDonalds had served them warm "safe" coffee, they would have bitched
> about that.
>
> IMO, these are "get rich quick" plans. I would love to be on a jury with
> one
> of these frivolous lawsuits.
>
> Gary

I would love to be on that jury. They realized there was a settlement years
ago, so hey, let's go for it! Let's blame McDonalds because we're stupid.

Jill

"jmcquown" wrote:
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>I would love to be on that jury. They realized there was a settlement years
>ago, so hey, let's go for it! Let's blame McDonalds because we're stupid.
>
>Jill


Don't you mean let's sue McD's 'cause they're *rich*?
The 7-11s and other convenience stores around here sell jumbo sized
coffee in reusable hard plastic insulated mugs with screw caps that
have a slider drinking opening... the first one costs like $2 more but
then refills are at bargain prices... most all the regular commuters
carry that cup in their vehical... also comes with a holder one can
hang from the slide out ashtray... just about every contractor's pick
up carrys at least one.

Ed Pawlowski > wrote in
:

>
> McDonald getting sued again
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...-lawsuit_n_138
> 0578.html
>
>
> Chicago Business reports that, oddly, both suits were filed last
> Thursday in a court in Cook County, Ill., which comprises Chicago and
> its environs.
>
> One case involved a four-year-old girl, Lynn Abdelal, who was given a
> cup of blisteringly hot coffee to give to her grandma, and suffered a
> second-degree burn when its lid fell off. Her grandmother had not
> intended for her to carry coffee in the first place; she had asked her
> granddaughter to throw away the empty cup. Part of the complaint --
> which asks for $4 million in damages -- is based on the fact that the
> McDonald's employee served coffee to such a young child, in violation
> of company policy.
>
> The other suit arose after 35-year-old Melissa Pettigrew spilled hot
> coffee all over her thighs, leading to what her attorney calls
> "horrific" burns.
>



Some people are just too ****ing stupid to live.


The kids grandmother should be taken out the back and have both her legs
broken with a baseball bat. WTF is she allowing a 4yo to go up to the
counter and grab a hot drink??? The woman is a moron.


The 35yo 'Melissa' should just wake the **** up and realise she's nothing
but a dumb as dog shit waste of O2, and go top herself.


The blame *STOPS* when you take control of whatever you are given.If you're
not comfortable, competent, adept at taking controll of what you are being
handed...... *DONT*!!!!!!!






--
Peter
Tasmania
Australia

On 4/1/2012 8:26 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> McDonald getting sued again
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1380578.html
>
>
> Chicago Business reports that, oddly, both suits were filed last
> Thursday in a court in Cook County, Ill., which comprises Chicago and
> its environs.
>
> One case involved a four-year-old girl, Lynn Abdelal, who was given a
> cup of blisteringly hot coffee to give to her grandma, and suffered a
> second-degree burn when its lid fell off. Her grandmother had not
> intended for her to carry coffee in the first place; she had asked her
> granddaughter to throw away the empty cup. Part of the complaint --
> which asks for $4 million in damages -- is based on the fact that the
> McDonald's employee served coffee to such a young child, in violation
> of company policy.
>
> The other suit arose after 35-year-old Melissa Pettigrew spilled hot
> coffee all over her thighs, leading to what her attorney calls
> "horrific" burns.

Don't go by what attorneys in damages suits say. Everything is horrific
in their eyes.

I really don't get how a four year old girl was asked to throw away an
empty cup by her grandma but ended up with a new cup of "blisteringly
hot" coffee to give to grandma. It doesn't follow. I think grandma or
somebody left out a step when they were describing the event to their
attorneys. How did the child end up with it? Did the restaurant employee
give it to her at the counter? Did the child pay for it, or was there an
adult with her?

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 10:53:24 -0600, Pennyaline
> wrote:



>
>Don't go by what attorneys in damages suits say. Everything is horrific
>in their eyes.

Maybe her thighs were horrific before the incident. Kind of looking
like cottage cheese.


>
>I really don't get how a four year old girl was asked to throw away an
>empty cup by her grandma but ended up with a new cup of "blisteringly
>hot" coffee to give to grandma. It doesn't follow. I think grandma or
>somebody left out a step when they were describing the event to their
>attorneys. How did the child end up with it? Did the restaurant employee
>give it to her at the counter? Did the child pay for it, or was there an
>adult with her?

My guess is Grams wanted the free refill. Maybe she will be found
liable.

Pennyaline wrote:

> I really don't get how a four year old girl was asked to throw away an
> empty cup by her grandma but ended up with a new cup of "blisteringly
> hot" coffee to give to grandma. It doesn't follow. I think grandma or
> somebody left out a step when they were describing the event to their
> attorneys. How did the child end up with it? Did the restaurant employee
> give it to her at the counter? Did the child pay for it, or was there an
> adult with her?


I can see how it could happen. Grandma gives the cup to the kid to
throw away. Kid takes it to the counter and gives it to the
order-taker, who then refills the cup with hot coffee and gives it back.

-Bob

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:05:53 -0500, zxcvbob >
wrote:

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>I can see how it could happen. Grandma gives the cup to the kid to
>throw away. Kid takes it to the counter and gives it to the
>order-taker, who then refills the cup with hot coffee and gives it back.
>
>-Bob

Makes perfect sense, especially since the kid was only 4 and thought
it went back to the counter.

On 4/1/2012 2:41 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:05:53 -0500, >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I can see how it could happen. Grandma gives the cup to the kid to
>> throw away. Kid takes it to the counter and gives it to the
>> order-taker, who then refills the cup with hot coffee and gives it back.
>>
>> -Bob
>
> Makes perfect sense, especially since the kid was only 4 and thought
> it went back to the counter.


I didn't see the part where it said the kid thought the cup was supposed
to go back to the counter. Either way, I've seen lots of kids at lots of
fast food places. Little kids are really pretty fast food savvy. My
grandniece is a master at sorting recyclables from disposables and knows
about getting trash into the right receptacles, and she's barely three.

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:48:33 -0600, Pennyaline
> wrote:

>On 4/1/2012 2:41 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:05:53 -0500, >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I can see how it could happen. Grandma gives the cup to the kid to
>>> throw away. Kid takes it to the counter and gives it to the
>>> order-taker, who then refills the cup with hot coffee and gives it back.
>>>
>>> -Bob
>>
>> Makes perfect sense, especially since the kid was only 4 and thought
>> it went back to the counter.
>
>
>I didn't see the part where it said the kid thought the cup was supposed
>to go back to the counter. Either way, I've seen lots of kids at lots of
>fast food places. Little kids are really pretty fast food savvy. My
>grandniece is a master at sorting recyclables from disposables and knows
>about getting trash into the right receptacles, and she's barely three.

It is speculation on our part, but very plausible. Like all news
stories, you never get all the facts.

On Apr 1, 7:26*am, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> McDonald getting sued againhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/26/mcdonalds-coffee-lawsuit_n_1...
>
> Chicago Business reports that, oddly, both suits were filed last
> Thursday in a court in Cook County, Ill., which comprises Chicago and
> its environs.
>
> One case involved a four-year-old girl, Lynn Abdelal, who was given a
> cup of blisteringly hot coffee to give to her grandma, and suffered a
> second-degree burn when its lid fell off. Her grandmother had not
> intended for her to carry coffee in the first place; she had asked her
> granddaughter to throw away the empty cup. Part of the complaint --
> which asks for $4 million in damages -- is based on the fact that the
> McDonald's employee served coffee to such a young child, in violation
> of company policy.
>
> The other suit arose after 35-year-old Melissa Pettigrew spilled hot
> coffee all over her thighs, leading to what her attorney calls
> "horrific" burns.


Hubbard's Second Law (mine, actually): We all pay a high price for
stupidity.

Ron


______________


“Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity — and
I’m not sure about the former.”

— Albert Einstein —

On Sunday, April 1, 2012 4:26:59 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> McDonald getting sued again
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1380578.html
>
>
> Chicago Business reports that, oddly, both suits were filed last
> Thursday in a court in Cook County, Ill., which comprises Chicago and
> its environs.
>
> One case involved a four-year-old girl, Lynn Abdelal, who was given a
> cup of blisteringly hot coffee to give to her grandma, and suffered a
> second-degree burn when its lid fell off. Her grandmother had not
> intended for her to carry coffee in the first place; she had asked her
> granddaughter to throw away the empty cup. Part of the complaint --
> which asks for $4 million in damages -- is based on the fact that the
> McDonald's employee served coffee to such a young child, in violation
> of company policy.
>
> The other suit arose after 35-year-old Melissa Pettigrew spilled hot
> coffee all over her thighs, leading to what her attorney calls
> "horrific" burns.

My suggestion is that McDonalds pay the kid's medical expenses and start a $50,000 or so for a college fund and fork over $20,000 in mad money to the family. They should strongly reprimand the guy that gave the kid that boiling coffee. In fact, MD should make it that guy's job to transport coffee to the customers tables. Happy April fools.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> McDonald getting sued again
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1380578.html
>
>
> Chicago Business reports that, oddly, both suits were filed last
> Thursday in a court in Cook County, Ill., which comprises Chicago and
> its environs.
>
> One case involved a four-year-old girl, Lynn Abdelal, who was given a
> cup of blisteringly hot coffee to give to her grandma, and suffered a
> second-degree burn when its lid fell off. Her grandmother had not
> intended for her to carry coffee in the first place; she had asked her
> granddaughter to throw away the empty cup. Part of the complaint --
> which asks for $4 million in damages -- is based on the fact that the
> McDonald's employee served coffee to such a young child, in violation
> of company policy.
>
The article says "Her grandmother had not intended for her to carry coffee
in the first place; she had asked her granddaughter to throw away the empty
cup." If the cup was empty, how did the child get burned? Need more info.

> The other suit arose after 35-year-old Melissa Pettigrew spilled hot
> coffee all over her thighs, leading to what her attorney calls
> "horrific" burns.

Get over it, people! Coffee is HOT! If you're careless with the cup or the
lid, whose fault is that?

Jill

McDonald's should follow properly company policies otherwise they would get sued again and again. And, it will definitely spoil their brand.

On Apr 1, 8:32*am, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 10:26:59 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > McDonald getting sued again
> >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...ee-lawsuit_n_1...
>
> > Chicago Business reports that, oddly, both suits were filed last
> > Thursday in a court in Cook County, Ill., which comprises Chicago and
> > its environs.
>
> > One case involved a four-year-old girl, Lynn Abdelal, who was given a
> > cup of blisteringly hot coffee to give to her grandma, and suffered a
> > second-degree burn when its lid fell off. Her grandmother had not
> > intended for her to carry coffee in the first place; she had asked her
> > granddaughter to throw away the empty cup. Part of the complaint --
> > which asks for $4 million in damages -- is based on the fact that the
> > McDonald's employee served coffee to such a young child, in violation
> > of company policy.
>
> Of course personal responsibility for the action of your child have
> nothing to do with it. *It's all somebody else's fault. *Let other
> people babysit your children - it's not your responsibility.

McDonald's goes out of its way to attract children to its restaurants:
Happy Meals, Playlands, etc. To do this, McDonald's must study how
children behave. (One may reasonably conclude that the McDonald's
strategy is to get the children to persuade the parents to take them
there, because children neither have their own cars nor their own
incomes.) Anyone who knows children knows that children at the age of
four try to be helpful. I will assume that McDonald's has a "free
refill" policy.

McDonald's had a general duty not to injure its customers, especially
the young customers, because it particularly and deliberately tried
especially to attract. McDonald's should have known that four-year-old
children would get coffee refills, because four year old children try
to be helpful, which anyone who -- like McDonald's trying to attract
children and their parents to eat in their restaurants -- had studied
the behavior of children. And in this case they knew there was a four-
year-old child getting a refill of his grandmother's coffee because
they gave it to him.

Now, the grandmother fully expected the child to discard the empty
cup, a task fully within the scope of a four-year-old child's
abilities, but she did not expect the four-year-old's altruism to
manifest itself in the shape of getting her a refill.

>
> > The other suit arose after 35-year-old Melissa Pettigrew spilled hot
> > coffee all over her thighs, leading to what her attorney calls
> > "horrific" burns.
>
> What would happen if she spilled hot cover all herself at home, should
> she sue herself? *Again, Personal Responsibility. DON'T SPILL YOUR
> COFFEE, dumbshit! *You KNOW it's hot, just like all the other coffee
> you drink. *She probably had a cellphone in one hand and a steering
> wheel in the other.

There is hot coffee and scalding coffee, and someone who orders one
does not expect the other. Especially in the wake of Liebeck, any
McDonald's customer would expect that McDonald's would never again
serve a patron -- especially a drive-through patron -- overheated
coffee. I don't know a soul who is not familiar with that story.
Further, McDonald's studies aggregate customer habits obsessively, and
knows how patrons order coffee, and exactly what the interior
environment of cars is. McDonald's has no excuse for not knowing was
was likely to happen.

>
> If I spiled soda in my car and my seat got all sticky, got into the
> cushioning, and eventually attracted ants, should I be able to sue?

You know that soda is sticky, and you know exactly the temperature of
a soda you hand yourself. You are not going to spill soda because the
temperature made you flinch.

>
> Damned coffee addicts and lawyers are nothing but a PITA. *They oughta
> outlaw coffee.

McDonald's should stop serving coffee, because repeated instances have
proven it is incapable of serving coffee without injuring its
customers.