On Jan 17, 12:26*pm, Feranija > wrote:
> On 17/01/12 12:06, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>
> > be careful, very careful, especially in Australia
>
> >http://d.yimg.com/nl/australia/site/...2661&repeat=0&...
>
> What ? "It says Sorry this video is no longer available".

That's too bad...in a nutshell, meat processors were taking small bits
of meat left over that can't be sold otherwise and adding an enzyme to
them. Then they wrap them tightly with plastic wrap- like a sausage.
The enzyme breaks down the meat enough to make it all stick together.
They sliced some, and it looked very much like a tenderloin steak.

On Jan 17, 3:08*pm, merryb > wrote:
> On Jan 17, 12:26*pm, Feranija > wrote:
>
> > On 17/01/12 12:06, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>
> > > be careful, very careful, especially in Australia
>
> > >http://d.yimg.com/nl/australia/site/...2661&repeat=0&...
>
> > What ? "It says Sorry this video is no longer available".
>
> That's too bad...in a nutshell, meat processors were taking small bits
> of meat left over that can't be sold otherwise and adding an enzyme to
> them. Then they wrap them tightly with plastic wrap- like a sausage.
> The enzyme breaks down the meat enough to make it all stick together.
> They sliced some, and it looked very much like a tenderloin steak.

Did you see the taste test they did and they said the could not tell
the difference?

But later they explained the concern was that the outside each piece
of beat "glued together" was now at least partially on the inside, and
since bacterial contaminants typically only on the outside of a piece
of meat now being on the inside pose a health risk for people who like
to cook their steaks rare. Rationale being that the bacteria formerly
only on the outside and killed by charring the outside are now on the
inside and thus unaffected by charring the outside!

Scary!! Could meat glue mean we will all have to cook our steaks well
done? :-(

John Kuthe...

On Jan 17, 1:37*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Jan 17, 3:08*pm, merryb > wrote:
>
> > On Jan 17, 12:26*pm, Feranija > wrote:
>
> > > On 17/01/12 12:06, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>
> > > > be careful, very careful, especially in Australia
>
> > > >http://d.yimg.com/nl/australia/site/...2661&repeat=0&...
>
> > > What ? "It says Sorry this video is no longer available".
>
> > That's too bad...in a nutshell, meat processors were taking small bits
> > of meat left over that can't be sold otherwise and adding an enzyme to
> > them. Then they wrap them tightly with plastic wrap- like a sausage.
> > The enzyme breaks down the meat enough to make it all stick together.
> > They sliced some, and it looked very much like a tenderloin steak.
>
> Did you see the taste test they did and they said the could not tell
> the difference?
>
> But later they explained the concern was that the outside each piece
> of beat "glued together" was now at least partially on the inside, and
> since bacterial contaminants typically only on the outside of a piece
> of meat now being on the inside pose a health risk for people who like
> to cook their steaks rare. Rationale being that the bacteria formerly
> only on the outside and killed by charring the outside are now on the
> inside and thus unaffected by charring the outside!
>
> Scary!! Could meat glue mean we will all have to cook our steaks well
> done? :-(
>
> John Kuthe...

Yes, I was thinking that they could tell the difference, but
apparently not! The bacteria part is scary also...Makes you wonder
what they do here and don't tell us

In article
>,
John Kuthe > wrote:

> On Jan 17, 3:08*pm, merryb > wrote:
> > On Jan 17, 12:26*pm, Feranija > wrote:
> >
> > > On 17/01/12 12:06, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> >
> > > > be careful, very careful, especially in Australia
> >
> > > >http://d.yimg.com/nl/australia/site/...2661&repeat=0&...
> >
> > > What ? "It says Sorry this video is no longer available".
> >
> > That's too bad...in a nutshell, meat processors were taking small bits
> > of meat left over that can't be sold otherwise and adding an enzyme to
> > them. Then they wrap them tightly with plastic wrap- like a sausage.
> > The enzyme breaks down the meat enough to make it all stick together.
> > They sliced some, and it looked very much like a tenderloin steak.
>
> Did you see the taste test they did and they said the could not tell
> the difference?
>
> But later they explained the concern was that the outside each piece
> of beat "glued together" was now at least partially on the inside, and
> since bacterial contaminants typically only on the outside of a piece
> of meat now being on the inside pose a health risk for people who like
> to cook their steaks rare. Rationale being that the bacteria formerly
> only on the outside and killed by charring the outside are now on the
> inside and thus unaffected by charring the outside!
>
> Scary!! Could meat glue mean we will all have to cook our steaks well
> done? :-(

Or Sous Vide ...

Isaac

On Jan 17, 1:37*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
>
> Scary!! Could meat glue mean we will all have to cook our steaks well
> done? :-(



I would say that if you find a 'bargain' on bacon wrapped fillets or
tenderloin it probably is no bargain but meat glued
fakery. Usually if the price is a big bargain, I'll bet it's not
the 'real' thing.

On Jan 17, 10:49*pm, isw > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *John Kuthe > wrote:
....
>
> > Scary!! Could meat glue mean we will all have to cook our steaks well
> > done? :-(
>
> Or Sous Vide ...
>
> Isaac

Do your best with Sous Vide. The heat and length of time of Sous Vide
cooking may and may NOT kill all the bacteria, and is certainly not
gonna do much for the exotoxins they produce! ;-)

John Kuthe...

On 2012-01-19, Sqwertz > wrote:

> Any meat passing itself off as steaks/roasts and made from chunked
> meat, fibers, and/or meat glue must say "formed" on the label.

From 9 CFR Parts 317, 319, and 381:

The Agency is also amending 9 CFR 317.8(b) of the meat inspection
regulations to require that, when transglutaminase enzyme is used to
fabricate or reform a cut of meat, the resulting product's labeling
include a statement to indicate that the product has been ``formed'' or
``reformed'' as part of the product name. The Agency has determined
that such labeling is necessary because TG enzyme alters the essential
character of a product by making multiple cuts of meat or pieces of
muscle tissue appear to be one intact cut or piece of meat, which could
mislead consumers about the nature of this type of product. The Agency
has determined that the terms ``formed'' and ``reformed'' are
appropriate descriptive terms. Although it must be revealed in the
ingredients statement, the presence of TG enzyme need not be disclosed
as part of the product name. The labeling of these products must still
comply with the requirement that a product that has been prepared by
salting, smoking, drying, cooking, chopping, or otherwise must be so
described on the label, unless the name of the product implies, or the
manner of packaging shows that the product was subject to such
preparation (9 CFR 317.2(e)).

The following examples are intended to provide further
clarification on the application of the labeling requirements for
products that have been fabricated or reformed using TG enzyme. When
the surface of two whole beef tenderloins are fused together to create
a product with a uniform thickness or portion size, an appropriate name
for the product would be ``Formed Beef Tenderloin.'' However, if TG
enzyme is used to fuse non-intact pieces of beef tenderloin to form a
roll that resembles a tenderloin, an appropriate name would be
``Reformed Beef Tenderloin Pieces.'' When a beefsteak is formed by
treating chopped pieces of meat trim with TG enzyme to fuse the pieces
together, an appropriate name for this product would be ``Formed
Beefsteak, Chopped and Shaped.'' When seam fat is removed from a cut of
meat and the cut is then reassembled using TG enzyme, an appropriate
name for the product would be ``reformed'' in conjunction with the name
of the product, for example, ``Reformed Ribeye Steak.''

The petition did not request that FSIS adopt these labeling
requirements for fabricated or reformed poultry products. However,
because FSIS has determined that TG enzyme is suitable for use in non-
standardized poultry products and modified versions of traditional
poultry products, and because it is interested in harmonizing the meat
and poultry inspection regulations, the Agency is amending 9 CFR
381.129 to require that the labels of poultry products fabricated or
reformed using TG enzyme state that the product has been ``formed'' or
``reformed'' as part of the product name.

Establishments that choose to use TG enzyme or pork collagen in
their products will be required to list these substances, in descending
order of predominance, in the product's ingredients statement (9 CFR
317.2(f)(1) and 381.118(a)(1)). This will require modification of the
product's label and the printing of new product labels.

--
Clay Irving >
On this show, your voice will be heard - in the form of my voice.
- Steven Colbert

Clay Irving provided:

> The following examples are intended to provide further
> clarification on the application of the labeling requirements for
> products that have been fabricated or reformed using TG enzyme. When
> the surface of two whole beef tenderloins are fused together to create
> a product with a uniform thickness or portion size, an appropriate name
> for the product would be ``Formed Beef Tenderloin.'' However, if TG
> enzyme is used to fuse non-intact pieces of beef tenderloin to form a
> roll that resembles a tenderloin, an appropriate name would be
> ``Reformed Beef Tenderloin Pieces.'' When a beefsteak is formed by
> treating chopped pieces of meat trim with TG enzyme to fuse the pieces
> together, an appropriate name for this product would be ``Formed
> Beefsteak, Chopped and Shaped.'' When seam fat is removed from a cut of
> meat and the cut is then reassembled using TG enzyme, an appropriate
> name for the product would be ``reformed'' in conjunction with the name
> of the product, for example, ``Reformed Ribeye Steak.''

Wait.... You mean a reformed ribeye steak is NOT one which quit drinking?

Bob