On 10/7/2011 1:02 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote
>>
>> Because there is excellent lighting from recessed ceiling lights and a
>> 5 light ceiling fan, we didn't need any table lamps or floor lamps.
>> Another savings.
>
> It must be exceptional. I've never seen ceiling lighting that is better
> and easier on the eyes than a table lamp. I really dislike overhead
> lighting in a home. Even at my office at work, my two windows provide
> enough light that I never turn the overheads on except for really dark
> days.

DH, who has had cataract surgery that set off a horrible dry-eye
syndrome and requires lots of light to read, does very well there. For
the most part, however, we are there watching TV or entertaining guests.
I have a recliner in my bedroom where I read if I'm not out on the
screen porch using natural light. DH reads wherever he finds himself -
living room, bedroom, throne room...

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On 10/7/2011 2:39 AM, Who_me? wrote:
> On 7/10/2011 10:54 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:

>> In warm climates, it's stupid to build up as it takes twice as much
>> energy to cool a two story house. Only very wealthy people build two
>> story houses here.
>>
>
>
> No, not stupid. In northern (tropical ) Australia there is a style of
> weatherboard house that has been built since the eighteen hundreds that
> is known as a "Queenslander". It is two stories although often the lower
> story is little more than storage of work area. It is built that way as
> it is cooler than a single story bungalow. Air can circulate around it
> rather than it being heated from the ground (which gets pretty hot in
> summer.) Many tropical countries have something similar in the way of
> housing design.
>
> See: http://tinyurl.com/3vnpybp
>
> Our home, although in Queensland, is a more modern design, and it
> remains cool in the lower stories in summer, and warm upstairs in
> winter. We seldom need to to turn the air-conditioning on, just the
> individual room ceiling fans suffice. We are used to the heat, but we do
> turn the air on for guests.


It may be hot in Queensland,but it's a heck of a lot drier than it is
here along the Gulf Coast. Air conditioners are needed to keep the
humidity down as much as for cooling. In a hot, moist climate, two
story buildings cost more to cool.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On 10/7/2011 7:59 AM, George Leppla wrote:
> On 10/7/2011 1:08 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> Get back to us in ten years. I prefer a two story, but the practicality
>> changes as you age and the joints don't work as well. We've made
>> changes so my wife does not have to use the steps as often, but we are
>> thinking of taking another step to eliminate them. I hope you continue
>> to have good health.
>
>
> We are thinking of moving back to TX and have been looking at some
> houses. For the way we live, a ranch style house would be great... but
> if we found a 2 story home with master bedroom and space for an office
> on the first floor, we would consider that, especially if the upper
> story was separately zoned for heat and AC.


You still looking in The Valley?


--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

"sf" > wrote
> I, personally, prefer a single story home. However, it's an
> impossible dream here in SF due to the high cost of land and the cost
> per square foot of homes here in the City. I could have a single
> story home with the square footage I want (which is 2600-3000 sq ft),
> if I lived anywhere else, but it's only a dream here.

Over time, you may not want the 3000 square fee either. I know three people
(with that size house) that have moved to smaller places in the past couple
of years. Just too much to clean and care for. We have 2000 feet but can
get by with less if we do move.

On 10/7/2011 10:58 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 10/7/2011 7:59 AM, George Leppla wrote:

>> We are thinking of moving back to TX and have been looking at some
>> houses. For the way we live, a ranch style house would be great... but
>> if we found a 2 story home with master bedroom and space for an office
>> on the first floor, we would consider that, especially if the upper
>> story was separately zoned for heat and AC.
>
>
> You still looking in The Valley?

No... looking mostly in the SW area of Houston. Becca has a son who
lives near there and I have a brother in Spring.

It would really be wonderful to live close to a major airport for a
change, and from that area, we can get to HOU or IAH within an hour.

George L

save where you can so you can spend where you want, Lee
"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Honey Badger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:37:39 -0400, Honey Badger
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Or get an education so you don't have to live in an apartment, silly!
>>>>
>>>> She did then, doesn't now.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> What this person doesn't know about my education could fill volumes.
>>> Beside the obvious idiot troll, some people prefer apartment living. No
>>> lawn and yard to maintain. No worries if an appliance breaks; they'll
>>> fix or replace it.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> This person knows that you couldn't afford it. You bitch about pennies!
>>
>> -HB
>>
> You keep proving you're an idiot (as well as a fixated troll). Anyone who
> has money knows they should *watch* it. If I bitch about pennies it's
> because I have pennies to spend. I save money by insisting on free
> shipping if I order something online. You betcha. I clip coupons for
> grocery shopping, you betcha. I save money, that's why I have money. You
> are an ignorant, jealous fool.
>
> Jill

i wonder if we could introduce hb to sw, they seem to have a lot in common,
Lee
"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Honey Badger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:37:39 -0400, Honey Badger
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Or get an education so you don't have to live in an apartment, silly!
>>>>
>>>> She did then, doesn't now.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> What this person doesn't know about my education could fill volumes.
>>> Beside the obvious idiot troll, some people prefer apartment living. No
>>> lawn and yard to maintain. No worries if an appliance breaks; they'll
>>> fix or replace it.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> This person knows that you couldn't afford it. You bitch about pennies!
>>
>> -HB
>>
>> **
>
> BTW, I love the way you keep morphing your addy like you think I actually
> care. LOL

just outstanding, thanks a llot, now tell me about that table wine rack, Lee
"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 10/6/2011 3:08 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
>> you said this better than anyone else, please tell how/;why you think it
>> was
>> easier to furnish? Lee
>
>
> For one thing, we didn't need a kitchen set *and* a dining room set or a
> living room set *and* a family room set. The open concept saved us the
> cost of two rooms of furniture.
>
> Because there is excellent lighting from recessed ceiling lights and a 5
> light ceiling fan, we didn't need any table lamps or floor lamps. Another
> savings.
>
> The living room has the only wall that needed furniture and I found a
> local carpenter who built me a bar cabinet, entertainment center and
> "china" cabinet to my specifications. Other than that, we have a sofa, two
> love seats, two occasional tables, a coffee table and a sofa table which
> helps to separate the rooms. One wall in the living room has a French door
> to the screen room.
>
> The dining area has a glass-top table and 4 chairs as well as a small high
> table with a wine rack in the bottom of it. There are two stools that
> match the chairs next to the breakfast bar.
>
> Other than some pictures on the wall, that's all the furniture we needed.
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Way-the-heck-south Texas
> Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On 10/7/2011 11:31 AM, George Leppla wrote:
> On 10/7/2011 10:58 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> On 10/7/2011 7:59 AM, George Leppla wrote:
>
>>> We are thinking of moving back to TX and have been looking at some
>>> houses. For the way we live, a ranch style house would be great... but
>>> if we found a 2 story home with master bedroom and space for an office
>>> on the first floor, we would consider that, especially if the upper
>>> story was separately zoned for heat and AC.
>>
>>
>> You still looking in The Valley?
>
> No... looking mostly in the SW area of Houston. Becca has a son who
> lives near there and I have a brother in Spring.
>
> It would really be wonderful to live close to a major airport for a
> change, and from that area, we can get to HOU or IAH within an hour.
>

If I didn't hate the weather in Houston so much, I'd consider living
there, too <g>

We are actually driving the 6 hours to IAH to leave the car there in
December. We're going to Buenos Aires to take a cruise around Cape Horn.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

as we were house shopping and considering options our house kept getting
smaller and smaller, partly because we wanted more focus on not having to
maintain, and partly because of considring our age, and as we kept talking
we also figured less space is less space to clean... one friend encouraged
me to go to a single full bath with only a second half bath, NOT i gave up
space elswhere in the house to keep two full bathrooms, i sincerly beleive
that it is a critical component of a strong relationship....if one of us
happens to clean the other's bathroom items are picked up, cleaned under and
returned to the previous position, only dirty towels/;clothes are removed,
Lee
"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote
>> I, personally, prefer a single story home. However, it's an
>> impossible dream here in SF due to the high cost of land and the cost
>> per square foot of homes here in the City. I could have a single
>> story home with the square footage I want (which is 2600-3000 sq ft),
>> if I lived anywhere else, but it's only a dream here.
>
> Over time, you may not want the 3000 square fee either. I know three
> people (with that size house) that have moved to smaller places in the
> past couple of years. Just too much to clean and care for. We have 2000
> feet but can get by with less if we do move.

my mothers home is two stories, has two complete kitchens 3 1/2 baths is
huge, beautiful, and my father built it from the ground up...and now they
are older they are discussing fixing it so they can live on one floor... as
a child i hated vacuuming the carpet going to the basement in the home i
grew up in, so i have always wanted, and got single story homes, the one
that burnt was a step closer with no basement, the new one is even closer, i
am sorry your wife is having to adjust to her issues, if she likes her home
perhaps you can adapt it instead of moving to a different one, Lee
"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Who_me?" > wrote
>> That is a sweeping and quite inaccurate generalisation.
>>
>> I am in my fifties, my wife in her forties, we have no children living
>> with us and we still prefer a multi story home. I like a house with
>> plenty of room. Entertainment, office, and dining/cooking areas
>> downstairs, and bedrooms, gym, media room upstairs.
>
> Get back to us in ten years. I prefer a two story, but the practicality
> changes as you age and the joints don't work as well. We've made changes
> so my wife does not have to use the steps as often, but we are thinking of
> taking another step to eliminate them. I hope you continue to have good
> health.

and are a major contributor to broken bones in the elderly god help you if
you have oseoperosis or any sort of bone brittling issue, Lee
"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Who_me?" > wrote
>>> That is a sweeping and quite inaccurate generalisation.
>>>
>>> I am in my fifties, my wife in her forties, we have no children living
>>> with us and we still prefer a multi story home. I like a house with
>>> plenty of room. Entertainment, office, and dining/cooking areas
>>> downstairs, and bedrooms, gym, media room upstairs.
>>
>> Get back to us in ten years. I prefer a two story, but the practicality
>> changes as you age and the joints don't work as well. We've made changes
>> so my wife does not have to use the steps as often, but we are thinking
>> of taking another step to eliminate them. I hope you continue to have
>> good health.
>
> I agree, Ed! I'm reminded of my father's mother, who had a lovely
> multi-storey home built in the early 1920's. Fantastic woodwork, built-in
> china cabinets in the dining room. Mahogany, IIRC. Back around 1983 my
> dad's older sister called my father and said they needed to go check on
> their mother. They found that she was sleeping on the couch in the living
> room. She couldn't get up the stairs anymore to go to her bedroom. (Who
> knows where she was going to the bathroom.... that was also upstairs. I
> didn't inquire too closely.) Sorry, but as the population ages and joints
> give way to age, stairs become a pain in the ass.
>
> Jill

dh and i discussed during the planning phase, making sure that we could live
on one floor should the need arise, and i just culdint go for it, providing
i could get over the whole stair thing, i would hate to think i might be
able to use the space now but not later... better to just not have it in the
first place, Lee
"George Leppla" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/7/2011 1:08 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> Get back to us in ten years. I prefer a two story, but the practicality
>> changes as you age and the joints don't work as well. We've made
>> changes so my wife does not have to use the steps as often, but we are
>> thinking of taking another step to eliminate them. I hope you continue
>> to have good health.
>
>
> We are thinking of moving back to TX and have been looking at some houses.
> For the way we live, a ranch style house would be great... but if we found
> a 2 story home with master bedroom and space for an office on the first
> floor, we would consider that, especially if the upper story was
> separately zoned for heat and AC.
>
> George L

besides, going directly against what all the evidence on aging and related
accidents alone tells anyone with sense that every year you manage to live
is another year closer to being safe and not using stairs, Lee
"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Who_me?" > wrote
>>>
>>> Get back to us in ten years. I prefer a two story, but the practicality
>>> changes as you age and the joints don't work as well.
>>
>> That is EXACTLY why I want to keep a multi story home. Use it or lose it.
>
> To a point, you are correct. There is more to it than just that.
>
>
>>
>>> We've made changes
>>> so my wife does not have to use the steps as often, but we are thinking
>>> of taking another step to eliminate them. I hope you continue to have
>>> good health.
>>
>> I hope you look at doing the opposite of what you suggest.
>
> Why? It is not knee problems for her, but other medical conditions. I
> guess we should have consulted you instead of the cardiac specialists.
>
> As I said, get back to us in ten years. While I wish you good health,
> shit happens and you may not be so cocky in the future..
>
>

On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:18:50 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>
>"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:46:13 -0400, "jmcquown" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"sf" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:37:39 -0400, Honey Badger
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Or get an education so you don't have to live in an apartment, silly!
>>>>
>>>> She did then, doesn't now.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>What this person doesn't know about my education could fill volumes.
>>>Beside
>>>the obvious idiot troll, some people prefer apartment living. No lawn and
>>>yard to maintain. No worries if an appliance breaks; they'll fix or
>>>replace
>>>it.
>>
>> There are apartments in Manhattan where the rent each day is more than
>> the Badger's yearly pay, from her pimp.
>>
>You don't think "Honey Badger" is a woman, do you? More like a morphing
>transvestite.

Likely asexual.

>My $800 a month apartment in TN would get me something the
>size of a walk-in closet in Manhattan.

Only if you shared with at least two others, $800 would barely cover
your 1/3 share.

>But it *was* an open concept...
>built around 1980. Open concept is nothing new, it's just what they show on
>HGTV these days.

Much of the planet lives open concept, they live under thatched roofs
with no walls at all. And many live in very large shelters communal
style but with no walls between individual living spaces. In much of
the tropics except for a shelter where several hang a hammock for
sleeping everyone lives outdoors, all cooking is done outdoors and is
communal. Most prison cells house two inmates, that's open style too,
and steel bars certainly don't offer privacy. I had to live open
style in the military, I didn't like it.

On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:02:04 +0200, "Ed Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>
>"Janet Wilder" > wrote
>>
>> Because there is excellent lighting from recessed ceiling lights and a 5
>> light ceiling fan, we didn't need any table lamps or floor lamps. Another
>> savings.
>
>It must be exceptional. I've never seen ceiling lighting that is better and
>easier on the eyes than a table lamp. I really dislike overhead lighting in
>a home. Even at my office at work, my two windows provide enough light that
>I never turn the overheads on except for really dark days.

All the rooms in my house have a ceiling fixture with its light switch
at the doorway, but I rarely use those. The house is over 60 years
old and that's how they wired then, now code is that the switch at the
door controls a recepticle for a lamp, berooms no lonmger have ceiling
fixtures unless one adda s ceiling fan, something I detest blowing on
me. I like the overhead light for when I first eenter the room at
night and helps to see better when cleaning even during day time, but
for most lighting I prefer individual task lamps, exept for kitchen
work, then I like a high output overhead fixture, preferably
fluorescent. I don't like spot lights for kitchen work because they
create very annoying shadows.

On 10/7/2011 4:00 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Well of course the south is hotter, even I know that, and most homes
> in the south don't even have central heating...

In the past 5 years I've looked at real estate from Brownsville, TX on
the Mexico border to New Orleans to Houston and here in Shreveport, LA.
That's pretty much as far "south" as you can get and still stay in the
US.... and I have never seen any house for sale that didn't have central
heat of one form or another.

George L

On 10/7/2011 1:13 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
> just outstanding, thanks a llot, now tell me about that table wine rack, Lee
> "Janet > wrote in message


Here's a photo. I don't know if you can blow it up enough to be able to
see it.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2d6nnfq.jpg

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On 10/7/2011 2:03 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> All the rooms in my house have a ceiling fixture with its light switch
> at the doorway, but I rarely use those. The house is over 60 years
> old and that's how they wired then, now code is that the switch at the
> door controls a recepticle for a lamp, berooms no lonmger have ceiling
> fixtures unless one adda s ceiling fan, something I detest blowing on
> me. I like the overhead light for when I first eenter the room at
> night and helps to see better when cleaning even during day time, but
> for most lighting I prefer individual task lamps, exept for kitchen
> work, then I like a high output overhead fixture, preferably
> fluorescent. I don't like spot lights for kitchen work because they
> create very annoying shadows.

My house was built 7 years ago. All the wall switches at the entrance to
the bedrooms work the lights on a ceiling fan. There is a second switch
right next to the first that activates the ceiling fan. With the high,
coffered ceilings (each bedroom is a different design), it works.
Ceiling fans are important here in the way-south. My living room and
each bedroom has one as well as on eon my screen porch.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:18:50 -0400, "jmcquown" >
> wrote:
>
>>My $800 a month apartment in TN would get me something the
>>size of a walk-in closet in Manhattan.
>
> Only if you shared with at least two others, $800 would barely cover
> your 1/3 share.
>
Yep! If I'd lived in Manhattan I'd have been like one of those 1940's movie
chicks sharing an apartment with two or three other gals. Probably a fifth
floor walk-up.

> Much of the planet lives open concept, they live under thatched roofs
> with no walls at all. And many live in very large shelters communal
> style but with no walls between individual living spaces. In much of
> the tropics except for a shelter where several hang a hammock for
> sleeping everyone lives outdoors, all cooking is done outdoors and is
> communal. Most prison cells house two inmates, that's open style too,
> and steel bars certainly don't offer privacy. I had to live open
> style in the military, I didn't like it.
>
Barracks. Quonset huts. The smallest space was a tent and that certainly
was "open concept". LOL No thanks.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> "Honey Badger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:37:39 -0400, Honey Badger
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Or get an education so you don't have to live in an apartment, silly!
>>>>
>>>> She did then, doesn't now.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> What this person doesn't know about my education could fill volumes.
>>> Beside the obvious idiot troll, some people prefer apartment
>>> living. No lawn and yard to maintain. No worries if an appliance
>>> breaks; they'll fix or replace it.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> This person knows that you couldn't afford it. You bitch about pennies!
>>
>> -HB
>>
> You keep proving you're an idiot (as well as a fixated troll). Anyone
> who has money knows they should *watch* it. If I bitch about pennies
> it's because I have pennies to spend. I save money by insisting on
> free shipping if I order something online. You betcha. I clip
> coupons for grocery shopping, you betcha. I save money, that's why I
> have money. You are an ignorant, jealous fool.
>
> Jill

Trust me - you have nothing that makes me jealous! I haven't always
been in great shape financially, but I've NEVER taken a dime from the
public via food stamps (did you pay that back?) or anything else.

If you ever get to the point where you have a surplus of cash, you will
understand that it's fun to splurge.

-HB

jmcquown wrote:
>
> "Honey Badger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:37:39 -0400, Honey Badger
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Or get an education so you don't have to live in an apartment, silly!
>>>>
>>>> She did then, doesn't now.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> What this person doesn't know about my education could fill volumes.
>>> Beside the obvious idiot troll, some people prefer apartment
>>> living. No lawn and yard to maintain. No worries if an appliance
>>> breaks; they'll fix or replace it.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> This person knows that you couldn't afford it. You bitch about pennies!
>>
>> -HB
>>
>> **
>
> BTW, I love the way you keep morphing your addy like you think I
> actually care. LOL

BTW - I don't do ANYTHING for you, narcissist.

-HB (I don't give a shit!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

sf wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:49:23 -0400, >
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I'm going to have to get one. With a telescoping arm. The ceiling in
>> the living room is easily 22 ft. high.
> Holy cow, that's high!
>
>> The other rooms all have 9 ft. ceilings, so same problem.
> That's more like what I'm used to.
>
That's bullshit. There is no way in hell it's 22 feet high.

-HB (As seen on TV)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

that is why i am having sympathy, my house betrayed me so i have to start
over, you are at the point where its the house the both of you wanted and
now you both will have to make hard choices, I hope it goes well for you.
Lee
"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote
>> , i am sorry your wife is having to adjust to her issues, if she likes
>> her home perhaps you can adapt it instead of moving to a different one,
>> Lee
>
> We've been here 30 years. Over that time, we have the flooring we want,
> the appliances we want, etc. Not easy to leave it behind and start over
> again.

i can't see it at all but the dh and my best female friend can so i will get
a good description, thank you so much, this is sounding like the ideal for
me, Lee
"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
b.com...
> On 10/7/2011 1:13 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
>> just outstanding, thanks a llot, now tell me about that table wine rack,
>> Lee
>> "Janet > wrote in message
>
>
> Here's a photo. I don't know if you can blow it up enough to be able to
> see it.
>
> http://i54.tinypic.com/2d6nnfq.jpg
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Way-the-heck-south Texas
> Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

In article >,
George Leppla > wrote:

> On 10/7/2011 4:00 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > Well of course the south is hotter, even I know that, and most homes
> > in the south don't even have central heating...
>
> In the past 5 years I've looked at real estate from Brownsville, TX on
> the Mexico border to New Orleans to Houston and here in Shreveport, LA.
> That's pretty much as far "south" as you can get and still stay in the
> US.... and I have never seen any house for sale that didn't have central
> heat of one form or another.

I've been reading this group for over 20 years, and what I've learned is
that Sheldon posts garbage. I have no desire to live in Texas or the
south, but even I know that it gets a little cool in the winter. Here's
a quick glance at Houston:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston#Climate

Perhaps people can get away without central heating, but if they are
putting in central AC, why not add a heating component also?

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Storrmmee wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> i can't see it at all but the dh and my best female friend can so i
> will get a good description, thank you so much, this is sounding like
> the ideal for me, Lee "Janet Wilder" > wrote
> in message b.com...
> > On 10/7/2011 1:13 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
> > > just outstanding, thanks a llot, now tell me about that table
> > > wine rack, Lee
> >>"Janet > wrote in message
> >
> >
> > Here's a photo. I don't know if you can blow it up enough to be
> > able to see it.
> >
> > http://i54.tinypic.com/2d6nnfq.jpg
> >
> > -- Janet Wilder
> > Way-the-heck-south Texas
> > Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

It's mostly iron below with a probably 3/4 inch thick wood top. Below
is a wine rack that appears to hold 14 bottles. The feet of the unit
are clawfooted iron?

She has some sort of dried flower arrangement on top and a bunch of
pictures. It lookes like without those, this would be a nifty small
apartment piece near a door for catching gloves and mail and such on
top. Below the wine holder part is an almost bandeau looking sinched
in part where it looks like a glass plate could fit to hold wine
glasses or a slide rack could be to suspend them below. There's no
evidence of either wine glass holder in the picture, but the potential
is there.


--

outstanding, i have been fitzing with what to get for the house, we don't
entertain at home much, and we were planning a breakfast bar, so i saw
little/no need for kitchen table, this really might work, Lee
"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Storrmmee wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> i can't see it at all but the dh and my best female friend can so i
>> will get a good description, thank you so much, this is sounding like
>> the ideal for me, Lee "Janet Wilder" > wrote
>> in message b.com...
>> > On 10/7/2011 1:13 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
>> > > just outstanding, thanks a llot, now tell me about that table
>> > > wine rack, Lee
>> >>"Janet > wrote in message
>> >
>> >
>> > Here's a photo. I don't know if you can blow it up enough to be
>> > able to see it.
>> >
>> > http://i54.tinypic.com/2d6nnfq.jpg
>> >
>> > -- Janet Wilder
>> > Way-the-heck-south Texas
>> > Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.
>
> It's mostly iron below with a probably 3/4 inch thick wood top. Below
> is a wine rack that appears to hold 14 bottles. The feet of the unit
> are clawfooted iron?
>
> She has some sort of dried flower arrangement on top and a bunch of
> pictures. It lookes like without those, this would be a nifty small
> apartment piece near a door for catching gloves and mail and such on
> top. Below the wine holder part is an almost bandeau looking sinched
> in part where it looks like a glass plate could fit to hold wine
> glasses or a slide rack could be to suspend them below. There's no
> evidence of either wine glass holder in the picture, but the potential
> is there.
>
>
> --
>

On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 18:03:29 +0200, "Ed Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote
> > I, personally, prefer a single story home. However, it's an
> > impossible dream here in SF due to the high cost of land and the cost
> > per square foot of homes here in the City. I could have a single
> > story home with the square footage I want (which is 2600-3000 sq ft),
> > if I lived anywhere else, but it's only a dream here.
>
> Over time, you may not want the 3000 square fee either. I know three people
> (with that size house) that have moved to smaller places in the past couple
> of years. Just too much to clean and care for. We have 2000 feet but can
> get by with less if we do move.

You're probably right, it's a PITA now. My timeline is to downsize in
10-15 years to a two bedroom condo of about 2,000 sq ft (the condo
association will take care of outside maintenance so we won't have
that to worry about). I'll want the room because family is nearby,
grandkids will still be spending the night occasionally and I don't
want people camped out in the living room.

--

You are what you eat, so avoid fruitcake and nuts.

On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:08:32 +0200, "Ed Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>
>"Who_me?" > wrote
>> That is a sweeping and quite inaccurate generalisation.
>>
>> I am in my fifties, my wife in her forties, we have no children living
>> with us and we still prefer a multi story home. I like a house with plenty
>> of room. Entertainment, office, and dining/cooking areas downstairs, and
>> bedrooms, gym, media room upstairs.
>
>Get back to us in ten years. I prefer a two story, but the practicality
>changes as you age and the joints don't work as well. We've made changes so
>my wife does not have to use the steps as often, but we are thinking of
>taking another step to eliminate them. I hope you continue to have good
>health.

Have you checked out the stair lifts? I keep seeing the Acorn
commercials but have not investigated. If my back gets much worse I
may check them out.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

"George Leppla" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/7/2011 4:00 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Well of course the south is hotter, even I know that, and most homes
>> in the south don't even have central heating...
>
Nonsense! 28 degrees is 28 degrees no matter where you live. Of course the
houses in the south have central heat... unless they're antebellum homes, in
which case they have steam heat or fireplaces.

> In the past 5 years I've looked at real estate from Brownsville, TX on the
> Mexico border to New Orleans to Houston and here in Shreveport, LA. That's
> pretty much as far "south" as you can get and still stay in the US.... and
> I have never seen any house for sale that didn't have central heat of one
> form or another.
>
> George L

George is absolutely correct. It definitely gets cold in the southern U.S.
Soon enough the frost will be on the pumpkin. And I'll be enjoying sitting
on the patio in front of the fire pit.

Jill

"Honey Badger" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> "Honey Badger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:37:39 -0400, Honey Badger
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Or get an education so you don't have to live in an apartment, silly!
>>>>>
>>>>> She did then, doesn't now.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>> What this person doesn't know about my education could fill volumes.
>>>> Beside the obvious idiot troll, some people prefer apartment living.
>>>> No lawn and yard to maintain. No worries if an appliance breaks;
>>>> they'll fix or replace it.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> This person knows that you couldn't afford it. You bitch about pennies!
>>>
>>> -HB
>>>
>>> **
>>
>> BTW, I love the way you keep morphing your addy like you think I actually
>> care. LOL
>
> BTW - I don't do ANYTHING for you, narcissist.
>
> -HB (I don't give a shit!)
>
If you don't give a shit why do you keep morphing and showing back up to dog
everything I post? Asshole. You're obviously hanging on my every word.
Dickhead.

Jill

"Honey Badger" > wrote in message
...
> sf wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:49:23 -0400, >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I'm going to have to get one. With a telescoping arm. The
>>> ceiling in
>>> the living room is easily 22 ft. high.
>> Holy cow, that's high!
>>
>>> The other rooms all have 9 ft. ceilings, so same problem.
>> That's more like what I'm used to.
>>
> That's bullshit. There is no way in hell it's 22 feet high.
>
> -HB (As seen on TV)
>
You must live in a cave. It's called a "vaulted ceiling" and you have no
idea because you've never been here. Take a look:

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/...46690505QbVzFN

Jill

On 10/7/2011 7:48 PM, Dan Abel wrote:
> I've been reading this group for over 20 years, and what I've learned is
> that Sheldon posts garbage. I have no desire to live in Texas or the
> south, but even I know that it gets a little cool in the winter. Here's
> a quick glance at Houston:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston#Climate
>
> Perhaps people can get away without central heating, but if they are
> putting in central AC, why not add a heating component also?


We had a cold wave here last year and the temps got down to 16 degrees.
Killed a couple of our palms and a lot of other plants. In Houston,
it got down to 18.

I think the only place on the continental US that has never had a frost
is Key West.

George L

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 07:35:41 -0400, The Cook >
wrote:

>On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:08:32 +0200, "Ed Pawlowski" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Who_me?" > wrote
>>> That is a sweeping and quite inaccurate generalisation.
>>>
>>> I am in my fifties, my wife in her forties, we have no children living
>>> with us and we still prefer a multi story home. I like a house with plenty
>>> of room. Entertainment, office, and dining/cooking areas downstairs, and
>>> bedrooms, gym, media room upstairs.
>>
>>Get back to us in ten years. I prefer a two story, but the practicality
>>changes as you age and the joints don't work as well. We've made changes so
>>my wife does not have to use the steps as often, but we are thinking of
>>taking another step to eliminate them. I hope you continue to have good
>>health.
>
>Have you checked out the stair lifts? I keep seeing the Acorn
>commercials but have not investigated. If my back gets much worse I
>may check them out.

My mother had a stair lift for some 15 years. In the beginning she
used it often but as time passed she used it less and less until for
the last five years she mostly stayed upstairs and hardly used it at
all... my father got a lot of exercise catering to her. Those lifts
are not so safe for older people as they can forget to strap
themselves in, and they all have pinch points, which for anyone whose
been a klutz all their life can become several times more dangerous
with age. I think it's far better to either move to a single story
house or renovate so that one can live entirely on the first floor.
I've found that as one ages they really don't need a lot of living
space, my house is 2,000 sq ft but I only use about 2/3. I don't use
my living room at all and only use my den when I have company, and my
guest bedroom hasn't been used for at least five years now except by
my cats. I spend most of my leisure time in my office and kitchen
area, and trudge some 60 feet to the other end of the house to my
bedroom to retire for the night otherwise I rarely use that end of the
house at all... so I'm actually living quite comfortably in 1,000 sq
ft. And as one ages company becomes fewer and fewer and visits
further apart. And nowadays many older people tend to do most
visiting via phone, email, and videocam anyway. My last house had
three levels, I'm very glad I moved here ten years ago, one level
makes living far simpler... I highly recommend it... were I to live
life all over again I'd never consider living in a multi level house.

On 8/10/2011 1:28 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Who_me?" > wrote
>>>
>>> Get back to us in ten years. I prefer a two story, but the practicality
>>> changes as you age and the joints don't work as well.
>>
>> That is EXACTLY why I want to keep a multi story home. Use it or lose it.
>
> To a point, you are correct. There is more to it than just that.
>
>
>>
>>> We've made changes
>>> so my wife does not have to use the steps as often, but we are thinking
>>> of taking another step to eliminate them. I hope you continue to have
>>> good health.
>>
>> I hope you look at doing the opposite of what you suggest.
>
> Why? It is not knee problems for her, but other medical conditions. I
> guess we should have consulted you instead of the cardiac specialists.

Why? General health, not specific problems. It is a form of regular
enforced light exercise. As is often noted - use it or lose it. It is a
trite saying but a valid concept.

>
> As I said, get back to us in ten years. While I wish you good health,
> shit happens and you may not be so cocky in the future..

Cocky? I am not cocky, I have just had experience. I lived on a ketch
for more than ten years after I lost my first wife and met a lot of very
old but very fit cruising yachts-people.

On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 08:07:38 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

snip

>
>George is absolutely correct. It definitely gets cold in the southern U.S.
>Soon enough the frost will be on the pumpkin. And I'll be enjoying sitting
>on the patio in front of the fire pit.
>
>Jill

I wish I knew how to type a rude noise. That sounds lovely. A fire
pit would only be for the hardy and crazy ski people here,
Janet US

On 8/10/2011 10:05 AM, Honey Badger wrote:
> sf wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:49:23 -0400, >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I'm going to have to get one. With a telescoping arm. The
>>> ceiling in
>>> the living room is easily 22 ft. high.
>> Holy cow, that's high!
>>
>>> The other rooms all have 9 ft. ceilings, so same problem.
>> That's more like what I'm used to.
>>
> That's bullshit. There is no way in hell it's 22 feet high.
>

Why bullshit?

The ceiling on our dining room is twenty feet high, higher where the
skylights are. It is to one side of the house and extends upward two
stories. Not at all uncommon. The story above has a balcony looking down
into it.

On 8/10/2011 4:33 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
> besides, going directly against what all the evidence on aging and related
> accidents alone tells anyone with sense that every year you manage to live
> is another year closer to being safe and not using stairs, Lee

Nonsense. Elderly people who get small amounts of regular exercise are
much healthier. For instance those who walk daily are noticeably fitter
than those who either sit at home or only drive cars.

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 07:35:41 -0400, The Cook >
wrote:

> Have you checked out the stair lifts? I keep seeing the Acorn
> commercials but have not investigated. If my back gets much worse I
> may check them out.

I haven't checked them out, but they must be *very* expensive,
especially when turns are involved. Not every staircase is a straight
shot up and down.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.