I wrote about my arthritis pain that progressed recently and while it
could have just been some sort of acute flareup that went away, I think
I have to give credit to some supplements. One morning I had woken up
and couldn't walk without being bent over and one leg didn't want to
work at all. I went to urgent care after a few days of that pain and
had an xray and later an MRI and bone density test, the latter two of
which haven't been explained to me because I haven't made the follow up
appt with my orthopedic surgeon yet. That sudden onset didn't come out
of the blue. I've had back pain for years, probably due to an injury I
had in the 90s.

So after the diagnosis of progressing arthritis I started again taking
calcium supplements with 1000 units of D3. I researched some
anti-inflammatory supplements and decided on turmeric and fish/flax oil
omega 3s and have been religiously taking them all daily. The first
thing I noticed was my shoulder pain that I'd been living with went away
and I got mobility back, and my lower back is back to the dull ache that
I've been living with for many years. I do have to admit I've taken
more vicadins then I want to but maybe the accumulative effect has kept
me for the most part pain free (less pain) than before, and why should I
live in pain? I started feeling like a junkie but I've had no vicidins
today.

Sorry for the long post but if it helps anyone to learn about
anti-inflammatory supplements I'll take a hazing.

On Sep 22, 6:57*pm, Cheryl > wrote:
> I wrote about my arthritis pain that progressed recently and while it
> could have just been some sort of acute flareup that went away, I think
> I have to give credit to some supplements. *One morning I had woken up
> and couldn't walk without being bent over and one leg didn't want to
> work at all. *I went to urgent care after a few days of that pain and
> had an xray and later an MRI and bone density test, the latter two of
> which haven't been explained to me because I haven't made the follow up
> appt with my orthopedic surgeon yet. *That sudden onset didn't come out
> of the blue. *I've had back pain for years, probably due to an injury I
> had in the 90s.
>
> So after the diagnosis of progressing arthritis I started again taking
> calcium supplements with 1000 units of D3. I researched some
> anti-inflammatory supplements and decided on turmeric and fish/flax oil
> omega 3s and have been religiously taking them all daily. *The first
> thing I noticed was my shoulder pain that I'd been living with went away
> and I got mobility back, and my lower back is back to the dull ache that
> I've been living with for many years. *I do have to admit I've taken
> more vicadins then I want to but maybe the accumulative effect has kept
> me for the most part pain free (less pain) than before, and why should I
> live in pain? *I started feeling like a junkie but I've had no vicidins
> today.
>
> Sorry for the long post but if it helps anyone to learn about
> anti-inflammatory supplements I'll take a hazing. *

Cheryl, I know I mentioned this before.....but have you tried not
eating any grains at all for a week or two, most especially wheat or
gluten grains?
You might try it, if it helps great, if it doesn't you'll know you
aren't sensitive to them. Made a huge difference for me.

On 9/22/2011 10:05 PM, ImStillMags wrote:

> Cheryl, I know I mentioned this before.....but have you tried not
> eating any grains at all for a week or two, most especially wheat or
> gluten grains?
> You might try it, if it helps great, if it doesn't you'll know you
> aren't sensitive to them. Made a huge difference for me.

Yes, you mentioned it, but it would be just too hard for me. I wanted
to try the anti-inflammatory supplements and see if they help before
drastically changing my diet, though I know reducing grains would be
helpful in more than one way. I am just not sure I can do it. If I
fail, I would have to start again, and I would be mad at myself. I
don't need that pressure. lol

On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 21:57:24 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

> So after the diagnosis of progressing arthritis I started again taking
> calcium supplements with 1000 units of D3. I researched some
> anti-inflammatory supplements and decided on turmeric and fish/flax oil
> omega 3s and have been religiously taking them all daily.

1000 units of calcium (no idea what D3 is) - is it one big pill? How
much of the omega3 do you take per day? I know two people who live
with chronic pain. One will have hip replacement surgery soon, the
other knows it's coming in a few years.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
.com...
>I wrote about my arthritis pain that progressed recently and while it could
>have just been some sort of acute flareup that went away, I think I have to
>give credit to some supplements. One morning I had woken up and couldn't
>walk without being bent over and one leg didn't want to work at all. I
>went to urgent care after a few days of that pain and had an xray and later
>an MRI and bone density test, the latter two of which haven't been
>explained to me because I haven't made the follow up appt with my
>orthopedic surgeon yet. That sudden onset didn't come out of the blue.
>I've had back pain for years, probably due to an injury I had in the 90s.
>
> So after the diagnosis of progressing arthritis I started again taking
> calcium supplements with 1000 units of D3. I researched some
> anti-inflammatory supplements and decided on turmeric and fish/flax oil
> omega 3s and have been religiously taking them all daily. The first thing
> I noticed was my shoulder pain that I'd been living with went away and I
> got mobility back, and my lower back is back to the dull ache that I've
> been living with for many years. I do have to admit I've taken more
> vicadins then I want to but maybe the accumulative effect has kept me for
> the most part pain free (less pain) than before, and why should I live in
> pain? I started feeling like a junkie but I've had no vicidins today.
>
> Sorry for the long post but if it helps anyone to learn about
> anti-inflammatory supplements I'll take a hazing.

I think I finally hit on the correct combination of supplements for me. And
I do take a lot. I upped my vitamin D by 400 units. I have been tested and
was found to be in range, but I figured this added amount wouldn't hurt.

Last year I was not sick like I have been in years past. Yes, I did get
either a cold or the flu...can't remember which. But I escaped all those
other times that my daughter got sick. And no ear infections!

Then again some people have said it could just be my age. Perhaps I have
already had those viruses that are going around and am now immune to them.

"ImStillMags" > wrote in message
...
On Sep 22, 6:57 pm, Cheryl > wrote:
> I wrote about my arthritis pain that progressed recently and while it
> could have just been some sort of acute flareup that went away, I think
> I have to give credit to some supplements. One morning I had woken up
> and couldn't walk without being bent over and one leg didn't want to
> work at all. I went to urgent care after a few days of that pain and
> had an xray and later an MRI and bone density test, the latter two of
> which haven't been explained to me because I haven't made the follow up
> appt with my orthopedic surgeon yet. That sudden onset didn't come out
> of the blue. I've had back pain for years, probably due to an injury I
> had in the 90s.
>
> So after the diagnosis of progressing arthritis I started again taking
> calcium supplements with 1000 units of D3. I researched some
> anti-inflammatory supplements and decided on turmeric and fish/flax oil
> omega 3s and have been religiously taking them all daily. The first
> thing I noticed was my shoulder pain that I'd been living with went away
> and I got mobility back, and my lower back is back to the dull ache that
> I've been living with for many years. I do have to admit I've taken
> more vicadins then I want to but maybe the accumulative effect has kept
> me for the most part pain free (less pain) than before, and why should I
> live in pain? I started feeling like a junkie but I've had no vicidins
> today.
>
> Sorry for the long post but if it helps anyone to learn about
> anti-inflammatory supplements I'll take a hazing.

Cheryl, I know I mentioned this before.....but have you tried not
eating any grains at all for a week or two, most especially wheat or
gluten grains?
You might try it, if it helps great, if it doesn't you'll know you
aren't sensitive to them. Made a huge difference for me.

My mom can not have wheat or nightshades.

On 9/22/2011 10:28 PM, sf wrote:

> 1000 units of calcium (no idea what D3 is) - is it one big pill? How
> much of the omega3 do you take per day? I know two people who live
> with chronic pain. One will have hip replacement surgery soon, the
> other knows it's coming in a few years.

The calcium/D3 supplement contains 1200 mg of calcium, and 1000 iu
vitamin D3. 2 capsules daily, I take them at the same time after work
so I know it will be with a meal. Can't take calcium when you have
other calcium foods like milk, spinach, yogurt.

Vitamin D3
"Vitamin D3 is both a vitamin and a hormone. It acts as a vitamin when
it binds with calcium for proper absorption. Humans cannot digest
calcium without adequate amounts of Vitamin D3."
http://www.pamelaegan.com/articles/vitamin-d3.htm (one such source)

I also take 2 turmeric capsules which are 450 mg each. My doctor said I
could double it so I take both.

The last is a brand name "Everyone's Omega Fish and Flax Oil" once daily
850 mg total of fish and flax oil.

On 9/22/2011 9:57 PM, Cheryl wrote:

> So after the diagnosis of progressing arthritis I started again taking
> calcium supplements with 1000 units of D3. I researched some
> anti-inflammatory supplements and decided on turmeric and fish/flax oil
> omega 3s and have been religiously taking them all daily. The first
> thing I noticed was my shoulder pain that I'd been living with went away
> and I got mobility back, and my lower back is back to the dull ache that
> I've been living with for many years.

I am really sorry you've been living with that pain. FWIW, I was
having a lot of pain with my osteoarthritis (also from an old injury)
and it's gone at this time. I can also pinpoint the relief from
starting a fish oil regimen. Walking also helps me but a hip is not
a spine.

nancy

On 9/22/2011 11:05 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

> I am really sorry you've been living with that pain. FWIW, I was
> having a lot of pain with my osteoarthritis (also from an old injury)
> and it's gone at this time. I can also pinpoint the relief from
> starting a fish oil regimen. Walking also helps me but a hip is not
> a spine.

One thing that ****es me off is when I get told to exercise to
strengthen the core. I know that extra pounds doesn't help with spine
pain, but when it hurts to even walk and you're told to exercise? I
know to start with PT but that is reliant on your insurance unless you
can pay out of pocket. I do have a graphic image of PT suggested
core-building exercises but it still hurts to do it. With PT they say
if it hurts not to do it.

I have never told them what the injury was because it is embarrassing.
It was bad though. (sex injury ... shhhhhhh)

On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:49:24 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

> The calcium/D3 supplement contains 1200 mg of calcium, and 1000 iu
> vitamin D3. 2 capsules daily, I take them at the same time after work
> so I know it will be with a meal. Can't take calcium when you have
> other calcium foods like milk, spinach, yogurt.
>
> Vitamin D3
> "Vitamin D3 is both a vitamin and a hormone. It acts as a vitamin when
> it binds with calcium for proper absorption. Humans cannot digest
> calcium without adequate amounts of Vitamin D3."
> http://www.pamelaegan.com/articles/vitamin-d3.htm (one such source)
>
> I also take 2 turmeric capsules which are 450 mg each. My doctor said I
> could double it so I take both.
>
> The last is a brand name "Everyone's Omega Fish and Flax Oil" once daily
> 850 mg total of fish and flax oil.

Thanks for all the information, Cheryl! It looks like the fish and
flax combo would be good for other things too. I'll mention that one
to hubby.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On 9/22/2011 11:18 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 9/22/2011 11:05 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> I am really sorry you've been living with that pain. FWIW, I was
>> having a lot of pain with my osteoarthritis (also from an old injury)
>> and it's gone at this time. I can also pinpoint the relief from
>> starting a fish oil regimen. Walking also helps me but a hip is not
>> a spine.
>
> One thing that ****es me off is when I get told to exercise to
> strengthen the core. I know that extra pounds doesn't help with spine
> pain, but when it hurts to even walk and you're told to exercise?

I know from long experience that the worst thing I can do for
my hip is to stop walking. It seems counterintuitive but it's
true for me. Perhaps isometric type of exercise would help you
with the core but you know better than to take medical advice
from me.

> I know
> to start with PT but that is reliant on your insurance unless you can
> pay out of pocket. I do have a graphic image of PT suggested
> core-building exercises but it still hurts to do it. With PT they say if
> it hurts not to do it.

I'd be afraid of further injury if it hurts. Doesn't mean that's
right, of course.

> I have never told them what the injury was because it is embarrassing.
> It was bad though. (sex injury ... shhhhhhh)

(laugh) Better than what I did to injure myself.

nancy

On Sep 22, 6:57*pm, Cheryl > wrote:
> I wrote about my arthritis pain that progressed recently and while it
> could have just been some sort of acute flareup that went away, I think
> I have to give credit to some supplements. *One morning I had woken up
> and couldn't walk without being bent over and one leg didn't want to
> work at all. *I went to urgent care after a few days of that pain and
> had an xray and later an MRI and bone density test, the latter two of
> which haven't been explained to me because I haven't made the follow up
> appt with my orthopedic surgeon yet. *That sudden onset didn't come out
> of the blue. *I've had back pain for years, probably due to an injury I
> had in the 90s.
>
> So after the diagnosis of progressing arthritis I started again taking
> calcium supplements with 1000 units of D3. I researched some
> anti-inflammatory supplements and decided on turmeric and fish/flax oil
> omega 3s and have been religiously taking them all daily. *The first
> thing I noticed was my shoulder pain that I'd been living with went away
> and I got mobility back, and my lower back is back to the dull ache that
> I've been living with for many years. *I do have to admit I've taken
> more vicadins then I want to but maybe the accumulative effect has kept
> me for the most part pain free (less pain) than before, and why should I
> live in pain? *I started feeling like a junkie but I've had no vicidins
> today.
>
> Sorry for the long post but if it helps anyone to learn about
> anti-inflammatory supplements I'll take a hazing. *

MMJ?

On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 23:51:00 -0400, Nancy Young <email@replyto> wrote:

> I know from long experience that the worst thing I can do for
> my hip is to stop walking. It seems counterintuitive but it's
> true for me.

My SIL has a very arthritic knee and that's what her Dr tells her to
do too. She says she walks, but she doesn't really and he knee is
pretty stiff as a result.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On 9/23/2011 12:35 AM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 23:51:00 -0400, Nancy Young<email@replyto> wrote:
>
>> I know from long experience that the worst thing I can do for
>> my hip is to stop walking. It seems counterintuitive but it's
>> true for me.
>
> My SIL has a very arthritic knee and that's what her Dr tells her to
> do too. She says she walks, but she doesn't really and he knee is
> pretty stiff as a result.
>
So it follows that I need to have sex often to strengthen the part of
the back that was injured. lol

On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 00:57:09 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

> On 9/23/2011 12:35 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 23:51:00 -0400, Nancy Young<email@replyto> wrote:
> >
> >> I know from long experience that the worst thing I can do for
> >> my hip is to stop walking. It seems counterintuitive but it's
> >> true for me.
> >
> > My SIL has a very arthritic knee and that's what her Dr tells her to
> > do too. She says she walks, but she doesn't really and he knee is
> > pretty stiff as a result.
> >
> So it follows that I need to have sex often to strengthen the part of
> the back that was injured. lol

I like the way you think!

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

scrutiniez your diet, keep a food journal and flare ups, the could be a
connection, for me egg plant is a killer, Lees
"Cheryl" > wrote in message
.com...
>I wrote about my arthritis pain that progressed recently and while it could
>have just been some sort of acute flareup that went away, I think I have to
>give credit to some supplements. One morning I had woken up and couldn't
>walk without being bent over and one leg didn't want to work at all. I
>went to urgent care after a few days of that pain and had an xray and later
>an MRI and bone density test, the latter two of which haven't been
>explained to me because I haven't made the follow up appt with my
>orthopedic surgeon yet. That sudden onset didn't come out of the blue.
>I've had back pain for years, probably due to an injury I had in the 90s.
>
> So after the diagnosis of progressing arthritis I started again taking
> calcium supplements with 1000 units of D3. I researched some
> anti-inflammatory supplements and decided on turmeric and fish/flax oil
> omega 3s and have been religiously taking them all daily. The first thing
> I noticed was my shoulder pain that I'd been living with went away and I
> got mobility back, and my lower back is back to the dull ache that I've
> been living with for many years. I do have to admit I've taken more
> vicadins then I want to but maybe the accumulative effect has kept me for
> the most part pain free (less pain) than before, and why should I live in
> pain? I started feeling like a junkie but I've had no vicidins today.
>
> Sorry for the long post but if it helps anyone to learn about
> anti-inflammatory supplements I'll take a hazing.

this is why i suggested a food journal, you change nothing until you see
from the journal a pattern of flares with particular foods/classes of foods,
then you eliminate only that, grains don't bother me but some things do, Lee
"Cheryl" > wrote in message
.com...
> On 9/22/2011 10:05 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
>
>> Cheryl, I know I mentioned this before.....but have you tried not
>> eating any grains at all for a week or two, most especially wheat or
>> gluten grains?
>> You might try it, if it helps great, if it doesn't you'll know you
>> aren't sensitive to them. Made a huge difference for me.
>
> Yes, you mentioned it, but it would be just too hard for me. I wanted to
> try the anti-inflammatory supplements and see if they help before
> drastically changing my diet, though I know reducing grains would be
> helpful in more than one way. I am just not sure I can do it. If I fail,
> I would have to start again, and I would be mad at myself. I don't need
> that pressure. lol

Cheryl wrote:
> On 9/22/2011 11:05 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> I am really sorry you've been living with that pain. FWIW, I was
>> having a lot of pain with my osteoarthritis (also from an old injury)
>> and it's gone at this time. I can also pinpoint the relief from
>> starting a fish oil regimen. Walking also helps me but a hip is not
>> a spine.
>
> One thing that ****es me off is when I get told to exercise to
> strengthen the core. I know that extra pounds doesn't help with spine
> pain, but when it hurts to even walk and you're told to exercise? I
> know to start with PT but that is reliant on your insurance unless you
> can pay out of pocket. I do have a graphic image of PT suggested
> core-building exercises but it still hurts to do it. With PT they say
> if it hurts not to do it.

I can do things now that literally would have put me in a wheelchair if
I hadn't worked up to them gradually. There's "pain" and there's
"PAIN", the former being what you sometimes have to put up with in order
to get better, and the latter being what you should stay away from at
all costs.

The ideas of exercising to strengthen your core, and of losing a few
pounds are both right, IMHO. The devil is in the details, and you have
to find a way to exercise that's safe and effective, _and_ you have to
be willing to put up with some, well, let's call it "discomfort" in
order to improve your condition so that you stay out of real pain.

I went from bed-ridden to holding world records in powerlifting for my
age and weight class, and I'm nothing special when it comes to
athletics - I just stuck with it because I knew it was going to help and
it did. None of this makes my arthritis go away, but I do know that I
move a whole lot better than most folks my age because I choose to fight
back against injury and the effects of aging.

Last but not least, I invite you to read about my back injury story:
www.kbnj.com, and click on Steve Freides Interview.

-S-

On Sep 22, 7:19*pm, Cheryl > wrote:
> On 9/22/2011 10:05 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
>
> Yes, you mentioned it, but it would be just too hard for me. *I wanted
> to try the anti-inflammatory supplements and see if they help before
> drastically changing my diet, though I know reducing grains would be
> helpful in more than one way. *I am just not sure I can do it. If I
> fail, I would have to start again, and I would be mad at myself. *I
> don't need that pressure. *lol

Cheryl, you can do ANYTHING for two weeks. Two weeks is not hard.
If it is a big part of your problem, after the two weeks you won't
WANT to go back.
Trust me.

On 9/23/2011 3:47 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
> On Sep 22, 7:19 pm, > wrote:
>> On 9/22/2011 10:05 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
>>
>> Yes, you mentioned it, but it would be just too hard for me. I wanted
>> to try the anti-inflammatory supplements and see if they help before
>> drastically changing my diet, though I know reducing grains would be
>> helpful in more than one way. I am just not sure I can do it. If I
>> fail, I would have to start again, and I would be mad at myself. I
>> don't need that pressure. lol
>
> Cheryl, you can do ANYTHING for two weeks. Two weeks is not hard.
> If it is a big part of your problem, after the two weeks you won't
> WANT to go back.
> Trust me.
>
I will have to try it. Here's an article that supports your statement
about gluten, and other foods that can exacerbate arthritis pain.
Interesting that arthritis and autoimmune problems such as Crohns and
IBD sometimes are connected.

http://www.ultraprevention.com/healing/pain.htm

On 9/23/2011 11:25 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> I can do things now that literally would have put me in a wheelchair if
> I hadn't worked up to them gradually. There's "pain" and there's
> "PAIN", the former being what you sometimes have to put up with in order
> to get better, and the latter being what you should stay away from at
> all costs.
>
> The ideas of exercising to strengthen your core, and of losing a few
> pounds are both right, IMHO. The devil is in the details, and you have
> to find a way to exercise that's safe and effective,_and_ you have to
> be willing to put up with some, well, let's call it "discomfort" in
> order to improve your condition so that you stay out of real pain.
>
> I went from bed-ridden to holding world records in powerlifting for my
> age and weight class, and I'm nothing special when it comes to
> athletics - I just stuck with it because I knew it was going to help and
> it did. None of this makes my arthritis go away, but I do know that I
> move a whole lot better than most folks my age because I choose to fight
> back against injury and the effects of aging.
>
> Last but not least, I invite you to read about my back injury story:
> www.kbnj.com, and click on Steve Freides Interview.

Thanks, I will! Thanks for being inspiring.

On 9/23/2011 3:47 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
> On Sep 22, 7:19 pm, > wrote:
>> On 9/22/2011 10:05 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
>>
>> Yes, you mentioned it, but it would be just too hard for me. I wanted
>> to try the anti-inflammatory supplements and see if they help before
>> drastically changing my diet, though I know reducing grains would be
>> helpful in more than one way. I am just not sure I can do it. If I
>> fail, I would have to start again, and I would be mad at myself. I
>> don't need that pressure. lol
>
> Cheryl, you can do ANYTHING for two weeks. Two weeks is not hard.
> If it is a big part of your problem, after the two weeks you won't
> WANT to go back.
> Trust me.
>

I might have found the culprit. The shoulder pain came back today when
it was gone for at least a week. Leg started not working again. Looking
over the list of "bad" foods for inflammation, one was nightshades and I
think tomatoes fall under that category. I had made spaghetti over the
weekend and was eating it for several meals. I hadn't cut out gluten so
it isn't likely to be the pasta. I don't have anything with tomato
sauce often, so even if it was the culprit this time, I'm sure it isn't
the only one. Will try cutting that out, which will be painful because
this spaghetti sauce turned out exceptionally good.

now that you have a suspect, take a break from it and try it again and don't
have it with the frequency you did the first time, you might be able to have
it but not as often, Lee
"Cheryl" > wrote in message
.com...
> On 9/23/2011 3:47 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
>> On Sep 22, 7:19 pm, > wrote:
>>> On 9/22/2011 10:05 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, you mentioned it, but it would be just too hard for me. I wanted
>>> to try the anti-inflammatory supplements and see if they help before
>>> drastically changing my diet, though I know reducing grains would be
>>> helpful in more than one way. I am just not sure I can do it. If I
>>> fail, I would have to start again, and I would be mad at myself. I
>>> don't need that pressure. lol
>>
>> Cheryl, you can do ANYTHING for two weeks. Two weeks is not hard.
>> If it is a big part of your problem, after the two weeks you won't
>> WANT to go back.
>> Trust me.
>>
>
> I might have found the culprit. The shoulder pain came back today when it
> was gone for at least a week. Leg started not working again. Looking over
> the list of "bad" foods for inflammation, one was nightshades and I think
> tomatoes fall under that category. I had made spaghetti over the weekend
> and was eating it for several meals. I hadn't cut out gluten so it isn't
> likely to be the pasta. I don't have anything with tomato sauce often, so
> even if it was the culprit this time, I'm sure it isn't the only one.
> Will try cutting that out, which will be painful because this spaghetti
> sauce turned out exceptionally good.
>

Cheryl wrote:
>
> I might have found the culprit. The shoulder pain came back today when
> it was gone for at least a week. Leg started not working again. Looking
> over the list of "bad" foods for inflammation, one was nightshades and I
> think tomatoes fall under that category. I had made spaghetti over the
> weekend and was eating it for several meals. I hadn't cut out gluten so
> it isn't likely to be the pasta. I don't have anything with tomato
> sauce often, so even if it was the culprit this time, I'm sure it isn't
> the only one. Will try cutting that out, which will be painful because
> this spaghetti sauce turned out exceptionally good.

Nightshades include tomato, eggplant, chilli peppers, potatoes. You may
have some sensativity to all of them, different levels for different
ones. It would not be a bad idea to avoid all of those for a while then
try them one by one and see what happens.

It's hard to tell when symptoms get better from removing their cause
(frog into a cold pot). It's easy to tell when symptoms get worse from
adding their cause (frog into a hot pot).

On 9/27/2011 11:28 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:

> Nightshades include tomato, eggplant, chilli peppers, potatoes. You may
> have some sensativity to all of them, different levels for different
> ones. It would not be a bad idea to avoid all of those for a while then
> try them one by one and see what happens.
>
I don't eat a lot of those other than potatoes, and even potatoes aren't
a daily food. But if it was tomatoes this time, it's really kicking my
ass. I think I can eliminate these.

> It's hard to tell when symptoms get better from removing their cause
> (frog into a cold pot). It's easy to tell when symptoms get worse from
> adding their cause (frog into a hot pot).

I like that way of explaining it. Thanks.

On 28/09/2011 1:28 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> Cheryl wrote:
>>
>> I might have found the culprit. The shoulder pain came back today when
>> it was gone for at least a week. Leg started not working again. Looking
>> over the list of "bad" foods for inflammation, one was nightshades and I
>> think tomatoes fall under that category. I had made spaghetti over the
>> weekend and was eating it for several meals. I hadn't cut out gluten so
>> it isn't likely to be the pasta. I don't have anything with tomato
>> sauce often, so even if it was the culprit this time, I'm sure it isn't
>> the only one. Will try cutting that out, which will be painful because
>> this spaghetti sauce turned out exceptionally good.
>
> Nightshades include tomato, eggplant, chilli peppers, potatoes. You may
> have some sensativity to all of them, different levels for different
> ones. It would not be a bad idea to avoid all of those for a while then
> try them one by one and see what happens.
>
> It's hard to tell when symptoms get better from removing their cause
> (frog into a cold pot). It's easy to tell when symptoms get worse from
> adding their cause (frog into a hot pot).

I fell sorry for the frog - poor little blighter.