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On 8/5/2011 2:24 PM, pure kona wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:08:28 -1000, dsi1 > > wrote: > >> On 8/4/2011 11:05 AM, Andy wrote: >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> On 8/4/2011 10:26 AM, Andy wrote: >>>>> "John > wrote: >>>>> > >>> Fact or fiction? I dunno. >> >> I've never heard that this is so but it could be. I'm pretty sure that >> the Tahitians carried coconuts on their voyages to Hawaii a thousand >> years ago. My guess is that they drank the water they contained because >> there was no need to take them for planting. They also took taro and >> pigs. Where the heck did they get the pigs? :-) >> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Andy > > > Settlers to Hawaii came from the Marquesas, probably, and they brought > all the food plants and animals that they were used to. Hawaii was > quite barren and there was really nothing to eat once they landed. It > is not known if coconuts were even growing here when they arrived > about 1100 or 1200 years ago. (No recorded history:<) I have never heard that Hawaii was a barren place before the humans arrived. If this was true, one would expect the variety of flora and fauna to be limited to introduced species. This is not true since there are species in Hawaii found nowhere else. This probably means that they thrived and lived here long before man did. How long does it take for differing species of plants and animals to evolve? Hundreds of thousands of years would be my guess but I am no expert. I'm not sure that there are any barren tropical islands existing anywhere. I've never seen one. > > They brought along pigs and everything they needed for a life > elsewhere. > > aloha, > Cea |
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no cake recipe but i do know that a brownie mix from the store that makes a
9 by 13 pan is great using just a standard can of black beans, its sorta a low fat high fiber treat some dietician made up, Lee "Jean B." > wrote in message ... > dsi1 wrote: >> On 8/4/2011 7:40 PM, Storrmmee wrote: >>> any of these recipes would b e grateful received, Lee >> >> >> You axed for it - here's a link to an article on batta mochi: >> >> http://www.brooklynfarmhouse.com/200.../butter-mochi/ >> >> I wouldn't use her recipe though - simply because the measurements aren't >> real convenient. The recipe below is the one I use most of the time - the >> advantage being that I don't have to measure much. This one uses grated >> coconut instead of coconut cream. >> >> I've had it both ways and I'm pretty sure that you'd like either one. The >> recipe in the link above indeed does look like a cake but it's nothing >> like a cake. Feel free to add a good amount of flaked coconut to that >> recipe too. Good luck! >> >> >> BUTTER MOCHI >> Printed from COOKS.COM >> 1/2 c. butter >> 1 (1 lb.) pkg. mochiko >> 2 c. sugar >> 1 tsp. baking powder >> 3 c. milk >> 5 eggs, beaten >> 1 tsp. vanilla >> 1 c. flaked coconut >> Preheat electric oven to 350 degrees. Melt butter; cool. Combine mochiko, >> sugar, and baking powder. Combine butter and remaining ingredients. Stir >> into mochiko mixture; mix well. Pour into a 13 x 9 x 2 inch pan. Bake for >> 1 hour. cool. Makes 24 pieces. > > My daughter might like that! I don't suppose you or anyone has a TNT > recipe for a baked cake that contains sweetened red beans? I have had a > recipe for a while, but it doesn't specify the size of the can of beans, > so I eye it and then decide I can't do it as written. > > -- > Jean B. |
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On 8/4/2011 5:01 PM, Lou Decruss wrote:
> Coco Lopez is the big brand used for cocktails. I don't know how it > is for cooking. Years ago we made a drink with it and pineapple juice > and rum. It had something else in it but it's been so long I can't > rememeber but whatever it was it was fabulous. > > Lou If you like pina coladas..... |
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On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 20:03:10 -1000, dsi1
> wrote: >On 8/5/2011 2:24 PM, pure kona wrote: >> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:08:28 -1000, dsi1 >> > wrote: >> >>> On 8/4/2011 11:05 AM, Andy wrote: >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 8/4/2011 10:26 AM, Andy wrote: >>>>>> "John > wrote: >> Settlers to Hawaii came from the Marquesas, probably, and they brought >> all the food plants and animals that they were used to. Hawaii was >> quite barren and there was really nothing to eat once they landed. It >> is not known if coconuts were even growing here when they arrived >> about 1100 or 1200 years ago. (No recorded history:<) > >I have never heard that Hawaii was a barren place before the humans >arrived. If this was true, one would expect the variety of flora and >fauna to be limited to introduced species. This is not true since there >are species in Hawaii found nowhere else. This probably means that they >thrived and lived here long before man did. How long does it take for >differing species of plants and animals to evolve? Hundreds of thousands >of years would be my guess but I am no expert. > >I'm not sure that there are any barren tropical islands existing >anywhere. I've never seen one. > >> >> They brought along pigs and everything they needed for a life >> elsewhere. >> >> aloha, >> Cea When our volcanic island arise out of the sea, there is nothing on them for a long time. Makes sense? And slowly things get caught in the jet stream and land - remember the eagle on Kauai long ago? or they float along and land here- again - on the most isolated place on earth. Of course I am not a geologist- but you could go the Archives in downtown Honolulu and get many more facts. It should be a reminder that our only indigenous land mammal was the Hawaiian Hoary Bat. Evolution of a Species is well discussed by Darwin and many others. But it is safe to assume not much edible stuff was here when the first settlers arrived from the Marquesas. There were large forests of koa and ohia. The seeds had floated along the waves or got caught in the jet stream and were deposited here. Quite random But then as soon as man came, many things were brought. Not only by the early settlers form the Marquesas but Capt. Cook and Vancouver brought cattle and English type pigs (that interbred with the wild pigs and are thriving today) and horses etc. and to say nothing of all that tropical vegetation from other tropical areas. It is just evolution and it happens slowly. aloha, Cea |
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On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 08:53:25 -0400, news > wrote:
>On 8/4/2011 5:01 PM, Lou Decruss wrote: > >> Coco Lopez is the big brand used for cocktails. I don't know how it >> is for cooking. Years ago we made a drink with it and pineapple juice >> and rum. It had something else in it but it's been so long I can't >> rememeber but whatever it was it was fabulous. >> >> Lou > If you like pina coladas..... These had something else in them. Lou |
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On 8/5/2011 6:08 PM, Jean B. wrote:
> Kate Connally wrote: >> On 8/4/2011 4:46 PM, Ema Nymton wrote: >>> >>> Where I live, I have a hard time finding coconut water in any of the >>> stores. I have used Roland and Chaokoh coconut milk, plus another brand >>> that I can not remember. Which brand of coconut milk is your favorite? >>> >>> Becca >> >> I always buy Chaokoh. It seems to be the thickest, richest, >> creamiest coconut milk. I have tried others but they don't >> measure up. >> >> Kate >> > Yup. That always seems to be the one that is recommended. I can even > remember that--it is A OK! > Thanks Kate and Jean. I will remember the A OK. lol Becca |
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On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 16:02:31 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:47:31 -0400, Nancy Young wrote: > >> On 8/4/2011 4:43 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> >>> Coconuts are filled with drinkable water. This is a wonderful thing if >>> you're even on a tropical island with no fresh drinking water. >> >> It's all the rage these days. I bought a container last time I >> was at Whole Foods to see what the fuss is about. Maybe it's >> the brand I picked up, blech. > > It's musty, old tasting, IMO. > > It the water from inside the coconut. Many Mexican fruit stands will > chop a hole in the coconut and stick a straw in it so you can drink > the water/juice. that sounds filthy! your pal, blake |
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On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 15:32:32 -1000, dsi1 wrote:
> On 8/4/2011 10:47 AM, Nancy Young wrote: >> On 8/4/2011 4:43 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> >>> Coconuts are filled with drinkable water. This is a wonderful thing if >>> you're even on a tropical island with no fresh drinking water. >> >> It's all the rage these days. I bought a container last time I >> was at Whole Foods to see what the fuss is about. Maybe it's >> the brand I picked up, blech. >> >> nancy > > Oddly enough, I found a container of the stuff in the refrigerator. > Pomegranate is pretty hot right now so what could be more trendier than > pomegranate/coconut water? Nothing comes to my mind except maybe a > chinchilla coat - not the kind for humans - the kind that chinchillas > wear. :-) > > My daughter had bought it so I claimed the parental right to > confiscate/investigate any substance that might be dangerous/tasty/too > much fun and took a swig. I think it was definitely more yeech than > blech. I didn't pay a cent for the thing but yet I feel like I was gypped. <snort> your pal, blake |
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dsi1 wrote:
> On 8/5/2011 3:43 PM, Jean B. wrote: >> dsi1 wrote: >>> On 8/4/2011 7:40 PM, Storrmmee wrote: >>>> any of these recipes would b e grateful received, Lee >>> >>> >>> You axed for it - here's a link to an article on batta mochi: >>> >>> http://www.brooklynfarmhouse.com/200.../butter-mochi/ >>> >>> I wouldn't use her recipe though - simply because the measurements >>> aren't real convenient. The recipe below is the one I use most of the >>> time - the advantage being that I don't have to measure much. This one >>> uses grated coconut instead of coconut cream. >>> >>> I've had it both ways and I'm pretty sure that you'd like either one. >>> The recipe in the link above indeed does look like a cake but it's >>> nothing like a cake. Feel free to add a good amount of flaked coconut >>> to that recipe too. Good luck! >>> >>> >>> BUTTER MOCHI >>> Printed from COOKS.COM >>> 1/2 c. butter >>> 1 (1 lb.) pkg. mochiko >>> 2 c. sugar >>> 1 tsp. baking powder >>> 3 c. milk >>> 5 eggs, beaten >>> 1 tsp. vanilla >>> 1 c. flaked coconut >>> Preheat electric oven to 350 degrees. Melt butter; cool. Combine >>> mochiko, sugar, and baking powder. Combine butter and remaining >>> ingredients. Stir into mochiko mixture; mix well. Pour into a 13 x 9 x >>> 2 inch pan. Bake for 1 hour. cool. Makes 24 pieces. >> >> My daughter might like that! I don't suppose you or anyone has a TNT >> recipe for a baked cake that contains sweetened red beans? I have had a >> recipe for a while, but it doesn't specify the size of the can of beans, >> so I eye it and then decide I can't do it as written. >> > > It took me a while to figure out what "TNT" was. :-) My son makes a lime > fudge that's called Key Lime TNT. It calls for a quarter cup of grated > lime. My guess is that in this case, TNT doesn't mean "tried 'n true." > > I don't know of any recipe but the simplest way to do this is to prepare > a sweetened pancake batter and make them about 6" in diameter, then > spread some sweetened bean paste/jam and fold in half. Oh boy! I could > go for one right now! That sounds good, but it isn't a cake. BTW, my daughter took an sandwiches to school. -- Jean B. |
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dsi1 wrote:
> On 8/5/2011 5:31 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> On 8/5/2011 3:43 PM, Jean B. wrote: >>> dsi1 wrote: >>>> On 8/4/2011 7:40 PM, Storrmmee wrote: >>>>> any of these recipes would b e grateful received, Lee >>>> >>>> >>>> You axed for it - here's a link to an article on batta mochi: >>>> >>>> http://www.brooklynfarmhouse.com/200.../butter-mochi/ >>>> >>>> I wouldn't use her recipe though - simply because the measurements >>>> aren't real convenient. The recipe below is the one I use most of the >>>> time - the advantage being that I don't have to measure much. This one >>>> uses grated coconut instead of coconut cream. >>>> >>>> I've had it both ways and I'm pretty sure that you'd like either one. >>>> The recipe in the link above indeed does look like a cake but it's >>>> nothing like a cake. Feel free to add a good amount of flaked coconut >>>> to that recipe too. Good luck! >>>> >>>> >>>> BUTTER MOCHI >>>> Printed from COOKS.COM >>>> 1/2 c. butter >>>> 1 (1 lb.) pkg. mochiko >>>> 2 c. sugar >>>> 1 tsp. baking powder >>>> 3 c. milk >>>> 5 eggs, beaten >>>> 1 tsp. vanilla >>>> 1 c. flaked coconut >>>> Preheat electric oven to 350 degrees. Melt butter; cool. Combine >>>> mochiko, sugar, and baking powder. Combine butter and remaining >>>> ingredients. Stir into mochiko mixture; mix well. Pour into a 13 x 9 x >>>> 2 inch pan. Bake for 1 hour. cool. Makes 24 pieces. >>> >>> My daughter might like that! I don't suppose you or anyone has a TNT >>> recipe for a baked cake that contains sweetened red beans? I have had a >>> recipe for a while, but it doesn't specify the size of the can of beans, >>> so I eye it and then decide I can't do it as written. >>> >> >> It took me a while to figure out what "TNT" was. :-) My son makes a lime >> fudge that's called Key Lime TNT. It calls for a quarter cup of grated >> lime. My guess is that in this case, TNT doesn't mean "tried 'n true." >> >> I don't know of any recipe but the simplest way to do this is to prepare >> a sweetened pancake batter and make them about 6" in diameter, then >> spread some sweetened bean paste/jam and fold in half. Oh boy! I could >> go for one right now! > > Oops, you have to make pancakes with the pancake batter. :-) Yep. BTW, I like the sound of that very zesty TNT! -- Jean B. |
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pure kona wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 21:44:36 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote: > >>> Settlers to Hawaii came from the Marquesas, probably, and they brought >>> all the food plants and animals that they were used to. Hawaii was >>> quite barren and there was really nothing to eat once they landed. It >>> is not known if coconuts were even growing here when they arrived >>> about 1100 or 1200 years ago. (No recorded history:<) >>> >>> They brought along pigs and everything they needed for a life >>> elsewhere. >>> >>> aloha, >>> Cea >> Can't coconuts ride the waves and plant themselves near the shore? > > Yes, but it is not known if they reached the "most isolated place on > earth"--which is what our tiny group of islands is known as. They'd > have to really be magical--- but again, there is no history of what > was here before the travelers from the Marqueasa- found when they > arrived. Hawaii was a fairly new (geologically) place. They did bring > coconuts so we do have them- a lot of them. > > aloha, > Cea Hmmm. Maybe too new to have acquired the coconuts naturally. -- Jean B. |
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dsi1 wrote:
> On 8/5/2011 2:24 PM, pure kona wrote: >> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:08:28 -1000, dsi1 >> > wrote: >> >>> On 8/4/2011 11:05 AM, Andy wrote: >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 8/4/2011 10:26 AM, Andy wrote: >>>>>> "John > wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>> Fact or fiction? I dunno. >>> >>> I've never heard that this is so but it could be. I'm pretty sure that >>> the Tahitians carried coconuts on their voyages to Hawaii a thousand >>> years ago. My guess is that they drank the water they contained because >>> there was no need to take them for planting. They also took taro and >>> pigs. Where the heck did they get the pigs? :-) >>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Andy >> >> >> Settlers to Hawaii came from the Marquesas, probably, and they brought >> all the food plants and animals that they were used to. Hawaii was >> quite barren and there was really nothing to eat once they landed. It >> is not known if coconuts were even growing here when they arrived >> about 1100 or 1200 years ago. (No recorded history:<) > > I have never heard that Hawaii was a barren place before the humans > arrived. If this was true, one would expect the variety of flora and > fauna to be limited to introduced species. This is not true since there > are species in Hawaii found nowhere else. This probably means that they > thrived and lived here long before man did. How long does it take for > differing species of plants and animals to evolve? Hundreds of thousands > of years would be my guess but I am no expert. > > I'm not sure that there are any barren tropical islands existing > anywhere. I've never seen one. > [snip] I suppose that depends on the definition of "island". How about the very new ?islands? that have formed because of volcanic action? -- Jean B. |
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Storrmmee wrote:
> no cake recipe but i do know that a brownie mix from the store that makes a > 9 by 13 pan is great using just a standard can of black beans, its sorta a > low fat high fiber treat some dietician made up, Lee I've seen such things bandied about in low-carb circles. I think those beans are mashed though, and that ideally (from a low-carb perspective, they are black soybeans). I am thinking of a cake that is studded with sweetened red beans. But baked and not steamed. -- Jean B. |
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pure kona wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 20:03:10 -1000, dsi1 > > wrote: > >> On 8/5/2011 2:24 PM, pure kona wrote: >>> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:08:28 -1000, dsi1 >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> On 8/4/2011 11:05 AM, Andy wrote: >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/4/2011 10:26 AM, Andy wrote: >>>>>>> "John > wrote: > >>> Settlers to Hawaii came from the Marquesas, probably, and they brought >>> all the food plants and animals that they were used to. Hawaii was >>> quite barren and there was really nothing to eat once they landed. It >>> is not known if coconuts were even growing here when they arrived >>> about 1100 or 1200 years ago. (No recorded history:<) >> I have never heard that Hawaii was a barren place before the humans >> arrived. If this was true, one would expect the variety of flora and >> fauna to be limited to introduced species. This is not true since there >> are species in Hawaii found nowhere else. This probably means that they >> thrived and lived here long before man did. How long does it take for >> differing species of plants and animals to evolve? Hundreds of thousands >> of years would be my guess but I am no expert. >> >> I'm not sure that there are any barren tropical islands existing >> anywhere. I've never seen one. >> >>> They brought along pigs and everything they needed for a life >>> elsewhere. >>> >>> aloha, >>> Cea > > When our volcanic island arise out of the sea, there is nothing on > them for a long time. Makes sense? And slowly things get caught in > the jet stream and land - remember the eagle on Kauai long ago? or > they float along and land here- again - on the most isolated place on > earth. > > Of course I am not a geologist- but you could go the Archives in > downtown Honolulu and get many more facts. > > It should be a reminder that our only indigenous land mammal was the > Hawaiian Hoary Bat. > > Evolution of a Species is well discussed by Darwin and many others. > > But it is safe to assume not much edible stuff was here when the first > settlers arrived from the Marquesas. There were large forests of koa > and ohia. The seeds had floated along the waves or got caught in the > jet stream and were deposited here. Quite random > > But then as soon as man came, many things were brought. Not only by > the early settlers form the Marquesas but Capt. Cook and Vancouver > brought cattle and English type pigs (that interbred with the wild > pigs and are thriving today) and horses etc. and to say nothing of > all that tropical vegetation from other tropical areas. > > It is just evolution and it happens slowly. > > aloha, > Cea This is beginning to sound Micheneresque -- Jean B. |
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Jean B. wrote:
> I am thinking of a cake that is studded with sweetened red beans. But > baked and not steamed. Sounds like any fairly-dense cake would work. I'd try just adding the red beans to a recipe for tres leches cake. Bob |
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Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Jean B. wrote: > >> I am thinking of a cake that is studded with sweetened red beans. But >> baked and not steamed. > > Sounds like any fairly-dense cake would work. I'd try just adding the red > beans to a recipe for tres leches cake. > > Bob > Minus all the leche? That sounds like one wet cake. -- Jean B. |
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On 8/6/2011 4:13 PM, Jean B. wrote:
> dsi1 wrote: >> On 8/5/2011 2:24 PM, pure kona wrote: >>> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:08:28 -1000, dsi1 >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> On 8/4/2011 11:05 AM, Andy wrote: >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/4/2011 10:26 AM, Andy wrote: >>>>>>> "John > wrote: >>>>>>> >>> >>>>> Fact or fiction? I dunno. >>>> >>>> I've never heard that this is so but it could be. I'm pretty sure that >>>> the Tahitians carried coconuts on their voyages to Hawaii a thousand >>>> years ago. My guess is that they drank the water they contained because >>>> there was no need to take them for planting. They also took taro and >>>> pigs. Where the heck did they get the pigs? :-) >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Andy >>> >>> >>> Settlers to Hawaii came from the Marquesas, probably, and they brought >>> all the food plants and animals that they were used to. Hawaii was >>> quite barren and there was really nothing to eat once they landed. It >>> is not known if coconuts were even growing here when they arrived >>> about 1100 or 1200 years ago. (No recorded history:<) >> >> I have never heard that Hawaii was a barren place before the humans >> arrived. If this was true, one would expect the variety of flora and >> fauna to be limited to introduced species. This is not true since >> there are species in Hawaii found nowhere else. This probably means >> that they thrived and lived here long before man did. How long does it >> take for differing species of plants and animals to evolve? Hundreds >> of thousands of years would be my guess but I am no expert. >> >> I'm not sure that there are any barren tropical islands existing >> anywhere. I've never seen one. >> > [snip] > > I suppose that depends on the definition of "island". How about the very > new ?islands? that have formed because of volcanic action? > I'm not going to get into a definition of island. I can tell you that the Hawaiian islands can be thought of as a conveyer belt moving over a weak spot in the Earth's crust. The islands form as the plates of the Earth's surface move over this weak spot. The big island of Hawaii, which is the Southeastern-most island, is the youngest island and is estimated to be about 400,000 years old. It is still being formed. I guess that's a good enough definition of "new." The oldest major island in the Hawaiian chain is about 5 million years old. I guess you could call it a mature island. The oldest island in the Hawaiian chain would be around the Kuri Atoll and would have eroded away many millions of years ago. This is the ultimate fate of all the Hawaiian islands. The Hawaiian island chain is still very much being formed. The active underwater volcano called LÅÊ»ihi is expected to break the ocean's surface within the next 100,000 years and will be the newest island in the chain. My guess is that the plants will establish themselves as soon as LÅÊ»ihi has cooled down enough to support plant life. That's the way it is with all the islands. |
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On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 22:16:07 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>pure kona wrote: >> On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 20:03:10 -1000, dsi1 >> > wrote: >> >>> On 8/5/2011 2:24 PM, pure kona wrote: >>>> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:08:28 -1000, dsi1 >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 8/4/2011 11:05 AM, Andy wrote: >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/4/2011 10:26 AM, Andy wrote: >>>>>>>> "John > wrote: >> >>>> Settlers to Hawaii came from the Marquesas, probably, and they brought >>>> all the food plants and animals that they were used to. Hawaii was >>>> quite barren and there was really nothing to eat once they landed. It >>>> is not known if coconuts were even growing here when they arrived >>>> about 1100 or 1200 years ago. (No recorded history:<) >>> I have never heard that Hawaii was a barren place before the humans >>> arrived. If this was true, one would expect the variety of flora and >>> fauna to be limited to introduced species. This is not true since there >>> are species in Hawaii found nowhere else. This probably means that they >>> thrived and lived here long before man did. How long does it take for >>> differing species of plants and animals to evolve? Hundreds of thousands >>> of years would be my guess but I am no expert. >>> >>> I'm not sure that there are any barren tropical islands existing >>> anywhere. I've never seen one. >>> >>>> They brought along pigs and everything they needed for a life >>>> elsewhere. >>>> >>>> aloha, >>>> Cea >> >> When our volcanic island arise out of the sea, there is nothing on >> them for a long time. Makes sense? And slowly things get caught in >> the jet stream and land - remember the eagle on Kauai long ago? or >> they float along and land here- again - on the most isolated place on >> earth. >> >> Of course I am not a geologist- but you could go the Archives in >> downtown Honolulu and get many more facts. >> >> It should be a reminder that our only indigenous land mammal was the >> Hawaiian Hoary Bat. >> >> Evolution of a Species is well discussed by Darwin and many others. >> >> But it is safe to assume not much edible stuff was here when the first >> settlers arrived from the Marquesas. There were large forests of koa >> and ohia. The seeds had floated along the waves or got caught in the >> jet stream and were deposited here. Quite random >> >> But then as soon as man came, many things were brought. Not only by >> the early settlers form the Marquesas but Capt. Cook and Vancouver >> brought cattle and English type pigs (that interbred with the wild >> pigs and are thriving today) and horses etc. and to say nothing of >> all that tropical vegetation from other tropical areas. >> >> It is just evolution and it happens slowly. >> >> aloha, >> Cea > >This is beginning to sound Micheneresque I actually did meet James Michener long time ago- but what I know is the usual history. My husband and brother in law write research books- factual ones about Hawaii. Family has been here for almost 200 years... aloha, Cea |
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Loihi- near the tip of Hawaii Island but yes- too new to even
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On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 22:11:42 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>pure kona wrote: >> On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 21:44:36 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote: >> >>>> Settlers to Hawaii came from the Marquesas, probably, and they brought > >Hmmm. Maybe too new to have acquired the coconuts naturally. There are no records here of coconuts- much less being plentiful. aloha, Cea |
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On 8/6/2011 6:55 PM, pure kona wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 22:11:42 -0400, "Jean > wrote: > >> pure kona wrote: >>> On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 21:44:36 -0400, "Jean > wrote: >>> >>>>> Settlers to Hawaii came from the Marquesas, probably, and they brought > >> >> Hmmm. Maybe too new to have acquired the coconuts naturally. > > There are no records here of coconuts- much less being plentiful. > > aloha, > Cea You're right that coconuts are regarded by many as an introduced species to the Hawaiian isles. However, I'm not so sure that these islands were barren before the arrival of humans. Then again, I could be wrong. My guess is that since the creation and erosion of these isles has been going on for millions of years, islands as beautiful and lush as we're used to could have existed and vanished in this long conveyer belt ride towards Japan. Our civilization could flourish and vanish after 10,000 years and there would be no evidence that we've ever existed by the time the big island moves into the spot that Maui currently resides. |
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On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 22:09:57 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
> dsi1 wrote: > > On 8/5/2011 3:43 PM, Jean B. wrote: > >> dsi1 wrote: > >>> On 8/4/2011 7:40 PM, Storrmmee wrote: > >>>> any of these recipes would b e grateful received, Lee > >>> > >>> > >>> You axed for it - here's a link to an article on batta mochi: > >>> > >>> http://www.brooklynfarmhouse.com/200.../butter-mochi/ > >>> > >>> I wouldn't use her recipe though - simply because the measurements > >>> aren't real convenient. The recipe below is the one I use most of the > >>> time - the advantage being that I don't have to measure much. This one > >>> uses grated coconut instead of coconut cream. > >>> > >>> I've had it both ways and I'm pretty sure that you'd like either one. > >>> The recipe in the link above indeed does look like a cake but it's > >>> nothing like a cake. Feel free to add a good amount of flaked coconut > >>> to that recipe too. Good luck! > >>> > >>> > >>> BUTTER MOCHI > >>> Printed from COOKS.COM > >>> 1/2 c. butter > >>> 1 (1 lb.) pkg. mochiko > >>> 2 c. sugar > >>> 1 tsp. baking powder > >>> 3 c. milk > >>> 5 eggs, beaten > >>> 1 tsp. vanilla > >>> 1 c. flaked coconut > >>> Preheat electric oven to 350 degrees. Melt butter; cool. Combine > >>> mochiko, sugar, and baking powder. Combine butter and remaining > >>> ingredients. Stir into mochiko mixture; mix well. Pour into a 13 x 9 x > >>> 2 inch pan. Bake for 1 hour. cool. Makes 24 pieces. > >> > >> My daughter might like that! I don't suppose you or anyone has a TNT > >> recipe for a baked cake that contains sweetened red beans? I have had a > >> recipe for a while, but it doesn't specify the size of the can of beans, > >> so I eye it and then decide I can't do it as written. > >> > > > > It took me a while to figure out what "TNT" was. :-) My son makes a lime > > fudge that's called Key Lime TNT. It calls for a quarter cup of grated > > lime. My guess is that in this case, TNT doesn't mean "tried 'n true." > > > > I don't know of any recipe but the simplest way to do this is to prepare > > a sweetened pancake batter and make them about 6" in diameter, then > > spread some sweetened bean paste/jam and fold in half. Oh boy! I could > > go for one right now! > > That sounds good, but it isn't a cake. BTW, my daughter took an > sandwiches to school. I love coconut, so I think I'll give one of those Butter Mochi recipes a try soon - especially since I have all the ingredients on hand at the moment. -- Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground. |
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On 8/4/2011 10:46 AM, Ema Nymton wrote:
> On 8/4/2011 2:54 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> >> Coconut cream seems to have no standards when it comes to fat content. >> I try to get the highest fat coconut cream that I can get. It varies >> considerably - obviously some manufacturers water down the product. >> I'm not a big fan of fat but that's what I judge the quality of the T >> cream by. You're going to have to calculate the relative fat content >> of the cream by using the nutrition info on the back though. They >> don't make it real easy. Good luck! > > Where I live, I have a hard time finding coconut water in any of the > stores. I have used Roland and Chaokoh coconut milk, plus another brand > that I can not remember. Which brand of coconut milk is your favorite? > > Becca The last can I got was the Chief's Choice brand. It's labeled "Product of Thailand." According to my calculations at the store, the product had a caloric count of 842 calories per can. This was significantly larger than the other products. I was a little surprised at how much the brands differed. The lowest was something like 500 calories per can. Obviously they cut the product with water. It's kinda silly to stand there with a calculator but there is a difference in products. |
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On 8/5/2011 3:10 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> "Kate > wrote in message > ... >> On 8/4/2011 4:46 PM, Ema Nymton wrote: > ... >>> Where I live, I have a hard time finding coconut water in any of the >>> stores. I have used Roland and Chaokoh coconut milk, plus another brand >>> that I can not remember. Which brand of coconut milk is your favorite? >>> >>> Becca >> >> I always buy Chaokoh. It seems to be the thickest, richest, >> creamiest coconut milk. I have tried others but they don't >> measure up. > > Like this? > > http://oi52.tinypic.com/8yyejr.jpg Yep. That's the stuff. Kate -- Kate Connally “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.” Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back, Until you bite their heads off.” What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about? |
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pure kona wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 22:16:07 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote: > >> pure kona wrote: >>> On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 20:03:10 -1000, dsi1 >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> On 8/5/2011 2:24 PM, pure kona wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:08:28 -1000, dsi1 >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/4/2011 11:05 AM, Andy wrote: >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/4/2011 10:26 AM, Andy wrote: >>>>>>>>> "John > wrote: >>>>> Settlers to Hawaii came from the Marquesas, probably, and they brought >>>>> all the food plants and animals that they were used to. Hawaii was >>>>> quite barren and there was really nothing to eat once they landed. It >>>>> is not known if coconuts were even growing here when they arrived >>>>> about 1100 or 1200 years ago. (No recorded history:<) >>>> I have never heard that Hawaii was a barren place before the humans >>>> arrived. If this was true, one would expect the variety of flora and >>>> fauna to be limited to introduced species. This is not true since there >>>> are species in Hawaii found nowhere else. This probably means that they >>>> thrived and lived here long before man did. How long does it take for >>>> differing species of plants and animals to evolve? Hundreds of thousands >>>> of years would be my guess but I am no expert. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure that there are any barren tropical islands existing >>>> anywhere. I've never seen one. >>>> >>>>> They brought along pigs and everything they needed for a life >>>>> elsewhere. >>>>> >>>>> aloha, >>>>> Cea >>> When our volcanic island arise out of the sea, there is nothing on >>> them for a long time. Makes sense? And slowly things get caught in >>> the jet stream and land - remember the eagle on Kauai long ago? or >>> they float along and land here- again - on the most isolated place on >>> earth. >>> >>> Of course I am not a geologist- but you could go the Archives in >>> downtown Honolulu and get many more facts. >>> >>> It should be a reminder that our only indigenous land mammal was the >>> Hawaiian Hoary Bat. >>> >>> Evolution of a Species is well discussed by Darwin and many others. >>> >>> But it is safe to assume not much edible stuff was here when the first >>> settlers arrived from the Marquesas. There were large forests of koa >>> and ohia. The seeds had floated along the waves or got caught in the >>> jet stream and were deposited here. Quite random >>> >>> But then as soon as man came, many things were brought. Not only by >>> the early settlers form the Marquesas but Capt. Cook and Vancouver >>> brought cattle and English type pigs (that interbred with the wild >>> pigs and are thriving today) and horses etc. and to say nothing of >>> all that tropical vegetation from other tropical areas. >>> >>> It is just evolution and it happens slowly. >>> >>> aloha, >>> Cea >> This is beginning to sound Micheneresque > I actually did meet James Michener long time ago- but what I know is > the usual history. My husband and brother in law write research > books- factual ones about Hawaii. Family has been here for almost 200 > years... > > aloha, > Cea Very cool. Any books we should know about? -- Jean B. |
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pure kona wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 22:11:42 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote: > >> pure kona wrote: >>> On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 21:44:36 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote: >>> >>>>> Settlers to Hawaii came from the Marquesas, probably, and they brought > >> Hmmm. Maybe too new to have acquired the coconuts naturally. > > There are no records here of coconuts- much less being plentiful. > > aloha, > Cea Merci for adding to my bits of knowledge! -- Jean B. |
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:48:25 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:42:35 -0400, blake murphy wrote: > >> On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 16:02:31 -0500, Sqwertz wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:47:31 -0400, Nancy Young wrote: >>> >>>> On 8/4/2011 4:43 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>> >>>>> Coconuts are filled with drinkable water. This is a wonderful thing if >>>>> you're even on a tropical island with no fresh drinking water. >>>> >>>> It's all the rage these days. I bought a container last time I >>>> was at Whole Foods to see what the fuss is about. Maybe it's >>>> the brand I picked up, blech. >>> >>> It's musty, old tasting, IMO. >>> >>> It the water from inside the coconut. Many Mexican fruit stands will >>> chop a hole in the coconut and stick a straw in it so you can drink >>> the water/juice. >> >> that sounds filthy! > > How is it any different than eating an orange? The stuff inside should > be perfectly fine. They use a machete to hack three well-placed, > angled slits in the coconut to make a triangular wedge-hole just big > enough to fit a straw into (or slightly bigger). > > -sw just channeling mr. filth himself, pete c. your pal, blake |
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On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 21:57:47 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>pure kona wrote: >> On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 22:11:42 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote: >> >>> pure kona wrote: >>>> On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 21:44:36 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Settlers to Hawaii came from the Marquesas, probably, and they brought >> >>> Hmmm. Maybe too new to have acquired the coconuts naturally. >> >> There are no records here of coconuts- much less being plentiful. >> >> aloha, >> Cea > >Merci for adding to my bits of knowledge! To answer your first question, my BIL has written 2 well researched esoteric books on Hawaiian Furniture- just look up Irving Jenkins aloha, Cea |
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pure kona wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 21:57:47 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote: > >> pure kona wrote: >>> On Sat, 06 Aug 2011 22:11:42 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote: >>> >>>> pure kona wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 21:44:36 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Settlers to Hawaii came from the Marquesas, probably, and they brought >>>> Hmmm. Maybe too new to have acquired the coconuts naturally. >>> There are no records here of coconuts- much less being plentiful. >>> >>> aloha, >>> Cea >> Merci for adding to my bits of knowledge! > > To answer your first question, my BIL has written 2 well researched > esoteric books on Hawaiian Furniture- just look up Irving Jenkins > > aloha, > Cea Oh cool. I will! I love such books (and have altogether too many of them). -- Jean B. |
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On 8/5/2011 10:58 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
> thanks, Lee Oddly enough, a lady brought in some batta mochi for me yesterday. I like this lady - piercing blue eyes, drives a big truck, owns a heavy equipment company and she brings me goodies. Most of the time, it's chocolate chip cookies (with 3 kinds of chocolate!) but yesterday it was batta mochi. She baked it in a ramkin which I'd never seen done before. She used canned evaporated milk which gave it a distinct milk taste that you can't get from fresh milk. She did not use flaked coconut. I like to use flaked coconut because it gives the dish a festive look. Most of the coconut floats to the surface and a topping of toasted coconut is never something to sneeze at. No matter, it was a pretty good recipe. I have not made this with canned milk but that's the recipe my daughter uses. In my awesome opinion, this dessert would be perfect with flaked coconut, coconut cream, canned evaporated milk, and a liberal dose of vanilla. In my case, the addition of about 2/3rds C less sugar wouldn't hurt either. :-) > > wrote in message > ... >> On 8/4/2011 7:40 PM, Storrmmee wrote: >>> any of these recipes would b e grateful received, Lee >> >> >> You axed for it - here's a link to an article on batta mochi: >> >> http://www.brooklynfarmhouse.com/200.../butter-mochi/ >> >> I wouldn't use her recipe though - simply because the measurements aren't >> real convenient. The recipe below is the one I use most of the time - the >> advantage being that I don't have to measure much. This one uses grated >> coconut instead of coconut cream. >> >> I've had it both ways and I'm pretty sure that you'd like either one. The >> recipe in the link above indeed does look like a cake but it's nothing >> like a cake. Feel free to add a good amount of flaked coconut to that >> recipe too. Good luck! >> >> >> BUTTER MOCHI >> Printed from COOKS.COM >> 1/2 c. butter >> 1 (1 lb.) pkg. mochiko >> 2 c. sugar >> 1 tsp. baking powder >> 3 c. milk >> 5 eggs, beaten >> 1 tsp. vanilla >> 1 c. flaked coconut >> Preheat electric oven to 350 degrees. Melt butter; cool. Combine mochiko, >> sugar, and baking powder. Combine butter and remaining ingredients. Stir >> into mochiko mixture; mix well. Pour into a 13 x 9 x 2 inch pan. Bake for >> 1 hour. cool. Makes 24 pieces. > > |
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 08:13:33 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
> Oddly enough, a lady brought in some batta mochi for me yesterday. So it's "batta mochi" not butter mochi? Does your DD know how to make the lemon one? I found a recipe that called for lemon extract but I expected real lemon. -- I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila. |
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On 8/13/2011 9:51 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 08:13:33 -1000, > wrote: > >> Oddly enough, a lady brought in some batta mochi for me yesterday. > > So it's "batta mochi" not butter mochi? Does your DD know how to make > the lemon one? I found a recipe that called for lemon extract but I > expected real lemon. > A lot of local cooks would call it "batta" mochi, other local people and folks from the mainland would call it butter. Either way, it's tasty. Another popular dessert here would be three color mochi. http://dianeandjeffrey.com/2009/03/03/girls-day-mochi/ I've never made this one, although I'm happy to eat a few pieces whenever I get a chance. I'll probably go to a party tomorrow so chances are good that I'll get a, err... chance. :-) |
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On 8/13/2011 9:51 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 08:13:33 -1000, > wrote: > >> Oddly enough, a lady brought in some batta mochi for me yesterday. > > So it's "batta mochi" not butter mochi? Does your DD know how to make > the lemon one? I found a recipe that called for lemon extract but I > expected real lemon. > I don't think I've ever had a lemon mochi. My daughter has only made the batta mochi. To tell you the truth, there's not a whole lot of experimentation with mochi. I have had chocolate flavored and peanut butter filled mochi. That peanut butter one pops up occasionally, but that's kinda of a goofy fad. I'll eat one if I'm really hungry! Hunger makes most things edible. |
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:42:22 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
> On 8/13/2011 9:51 AM, sf wrote: > > On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 08:13:33 -1000, > wrote: > > > >> Oddly enough, a lady brought in some batta mochi for me yesterday. > > > > So it's "batta mochi" not butter mochi? Does your DD know how to make > > the lemon one? I found a recipe that called for lemon extract but I > > expected real lemon. > > > > A lot of local cooks would call it "batta" mochi, other local people and > folks from the mainland would call it butter. Either way, it's tasty. > Another popular dessert here would be three color mochi. > > http://dianeandjeffrey.com/2009/03/03/girls-day-mochi/ > > I've never made this one, although I'm happy to eat a few pieces > whenever I get a chance. I'll probably go to a party tomorrow so chances > are good that I'll get a, err... chance. :-) I'm thinking that something like daifuku might be fun to make if I wrapped the mochi around a filling of flourless chocolate cake. http://www.seattlemet.com/assets/000...jpg?1288392918 -- I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila. |
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On 8/13/2011 1:24 PM, sf wrote:
> I'm thinking that something like daifuku might be fun to make if I > wrapped the mochi around a filling of flourless chocolate cake. > http://www.seattlemet.com/assets/000...jpg?1288392918 > The picture looks good. I'll take one! Evidently, the mochi field is wide open as to what can be done. http://archives.starbulletin.com/200...es/story1.html |
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